Decent video! Thanks. I'd trust these guys building my clubs.

Great demo and explanation, thanks

And as soon as you adjust the adaptor the puring/spining is out.

@gavinpickin157

3 жыл бұрын

Callaway's and Krank's style doesn't rotate the shaft, so that helps keep it pure

I Floed all my irons about 2 years ago which I have been using for 20+ Years. I found the spine as a reference, then found the strongest bend position, used this to face the target, installed the head and then fine tuned floed the club until they perfectly Flat lined. I didn't use a fancy pants computer controlled machine but I believe I got each Iron spot on. The only difference I made to each club was they felt stiffer. I do not believe it made any difference to consistency or distance.

@jalan8171

4 жыл бұрын

If you do not believe that it made any difference to consistency or distance, do you think that these analysis/processes provide a psychological placebo effect?

@Jpgundarun

4 жыл бұрын

@@jalan8171 When I first used the clubs after I altered them they felt stiffer than usual, I got pretty used to the feel of them after using them for so long (20 Years no joke). After a few games I got used to them again and I honestly would have not known any difference. Distance did not change and my handicap didn't dramatically change overnight either. If It helps someone play better knowing they are "Pured" then go for it. Me personally, I wouldn't do it again. Im now playing with off the shelf Mizuno's bought from eBay and my handicap is the lowest (8) its been now for 3 straight years. I have commented on this topic before on WRX and I had one bloke telling me I did it wrong and needed it professionally done but I don't believe it would make any improvement over what I did to them.

@Jpgundarun

4 жыл бұрын

@@jalan8171 I have also done this to graphite shafted Fairway Woods and found little to no difference also. I did it to a set of Titleist 910 3,5,7 Woods (I don't like hybrids) with Aldila Rip A Shafts. I now play Titleist 913 3,5,7 Woods Aldila Rip A, untouched, still set on A1 neutral. I can hit them fine and like I said my handicap has been its lowest for years.

Nice demo and explanation.

Great video ! Very Helpful!

How would the finished orientation have worked out for a Left Handed golfer ? Thanks for the info on your video

I think most of the confusion here is stemming from the idea that the spine and PURE orientation are not only interchangeable terms, but that they can be consistently correlated, no doubt the blow back from some clever marketing relating to "spine alignment" from years ago. Simply put, Identifying the "spine" only gives you a reference point from which to begin the process of FLOing a club, which is still a manual trial and error process, and not privy to the data set that this machine offers.

This would get you an altered flex (freq.) - max stiffness point for the stick. Seems that for irons, you'd have to freq analyze the shafts after SST, in which case you would have to hand pick a set from a stock of already SST'd and freq'd, individual iron shafts to get your desired freq (determined by fitting) steps accurate.

did i miss something? after you found the spine don't you know that is supposed to go to the side when putting the head on, approximately the same spot the puring machine took you to?

You are correct that the shaft is turning and twisting. What this method does is find the most consistent position of orientation for the shaft relative to the clubhead, that COMPELS the shaft to naturally return to its ORIGINAL position DESPITE the inconsistencies of the LOAD ON THE SHAFT DURING THE SWING. Unfortunately this process is NOT conducive to the current manufacturing/distribution model used by the top equipment companies due to the overwhelming ignorance by their customers en masse

Say I have an adjustable hosel. You pure my shaft. Do i have to keep the club in the A1 neutral setting for the life of the club or if i change the setting to help draw/fade will it render the puring defeated?

the multi spine question of which one depends on the cpm measurements of each spine..esp...if building frequency matched set makeup....

Question what is the best shaft to use?? Also what's the closes to perfect in shaft have you seen?

All the guys you named in your quote REQUEST shafts SST Pured. You balance a car tire whether you spend $100 or $400 on the tire. SHAFTS ARE NOTE PERFECTLY ROUND and will want to flex in a direction based on that shaft and how its installed. Answer this- If it does not matter which way the shaft is installed then why does Miyazaki make a shaft (Dromo) that depending on how the shaft is installed it will want to flex draw or fade biasis?? That proves shaft orientation matters

So for a lefty, do you rotate 180* front the glue mark? Or is there a difference between 90* and 270* for the pured position?

Does your recommendation for puring change if I’m a lefty? You mentioned in your findings that for a right-handed person that logo just right of 12 o’clock was optimal. Would that hold true if I was lefty? Does that machine check for flexing both directions in the same plane? Also, if I were to rotate the shaft 180 degrees (either bc 1. I’m lefty and I want the shaft to flex in the same direction as a righty hitting logo up or 2. I just want logo down) wouldn’t that be exactly the same since it’s on the same plane, just flexing in the opposite direction as logo up?

Where was the spine line in relation to the pure'd line? I'm going to do a few test videos for the actual ball flights from spine aligning here in the UK... as well as ball flight variance from spine in 4 different positions when built

Independent testing showed you might pick up less than a yard on your average shot with NO measurable improvement in shot dispersement. But at $20 per shaft, go for it.

well in theory if the spine moves it can cause fades/draws so i assume thats why the close and open adjustability comes in and nuetral would be a straight spine.

The 2 Clamps provided are the weights of a driver and a iron. I can assure you that once you aligned the shaft in its a pure spot it will flat line oscillate. Can do a video to prove it if would like? If you don't have physical measurements of the shafts structure what good does it do to flatline oscillate a shaft??? We fine shafts that are to out of round that we do not use the shaft. SST gives you a straitness run out of each shaft ran through it.

Good stuff.

Can pureing the club shafts actually make a substantial difference to an 18 handicaper's game given that most can not synthesize a consistent repeatable swing pattern? Does it simply come down to the willingness of the client to pay the added cost for putting their clubs through the pureing process? How much of this crosses the line into the psychological placebo effect?

I have seen people find the spine of just the shaft and then do the FLO procedure without the head on the club.....you need the head on to use the weight and symmetry along with the shaft to see the WHOLE picture....there is a lot of misinformation on both spine and FLO and I think it deserves a better look and explanation. This glosses a few great points on how it could be done......my concern is DYNAMIC FLO....meaning with the head on and you will find that the spine might be a starting point reference, but only 1 out of 15 times does it line up with the oscillatory forces with the head on.....

Are there any clubs on the market today that are fully aligned/PURE tested? If so which bands and models?

PURE is a great and it is the most accurate way to spine and/or FLO a shaft. I wouldn't challenge PURing but I would say that it is much mot beneficial to also perform a MOI matching on the clubs as opposed to Frequency matching. Most shafts these days are tapered anyways...PURE+MOI match FTW

SST Pure does not take its measurements with the head mounted. Therefore it cannot mimic how the shaft will oscillate once a head IS mounted. There is only one way to get perfect straight line oscillation. You have to do it manually by dry mounting the head to be used and move it around until you find the right spot. It helps to find the spine first. Either by Puring or spining but all it does is give you a starting point.

How does the Puring process work when you have a club with an adjustable head like a 913 D3 that I want set on C-1?

@SirTomFoolery

3 жыл бұрын

it doesnt... sorry im a little late to reply

@kileypaet8221

3 жыл бұрын

So spine it, then FLO it closest to the spine then install it at the setting you want on your driver.

newbie here - So shaft alignment, whether it's from spine alignment or SST pureing - will help the player hit the ball straighter? I think that's what I'm hearing.

does this need to be done with steel shafts as well?

Can the Pureing process be applied to hickory shafts? I'm not kidding. I play hickory cubs; have been for a decade.

you can set the club up to draw or fade by moving the spine to the left or right. For the clubs with adjustable heads, when you move the head to a different loft it does change the spine. I prove it to players everyday. It the club kicks to the right guess what, a fade or slice. If it is set to far to the left here comes a draw or hook. You always want the shaft to kick towards the target. Very simple process to do but no body knows how to do it. If you set the spine at 12:00 you are hitting against the spine. Different club builders set the spine at 3:00 and at 12:00 but 9:00 is the only setting that brings the club face back to the target line which gives u more kick from the shaft and most of the time more distance and straight.

@gaitor92

9 жыл бұрын

excellent information, thanks. i am spining my uncut shafts soon and will glue them in at 9.00 ta

@wills8705

7 жыл бұрын

Kenny Pruitt you can do this and it works. however, it is ILLEGAL during tournament play. www.usga.org/rules/equipment-rules.html#!rule-14618,bend

@krusher74

6 жыл бұрын

So does that rule not dictate that all shafts must be perfect, and therefore all are illegal as it impossible to manufacture them without some degree of asymmetrical flex.

don't most people spining at home use a laser pointer to pure? i know i do

A bearing based spine finder likely does not tell you how a golf shaft oscillates. It will likely find the plane that has the least amount of straightness in a shaft. If a shaft is in its natural unflexed position, so unstraight it is already bent like a spatula, that thing will turn every time to the mcdonalds arch position in a bearing spine finder. Yet, what does that tell you about how the shaft will actually bend when a force is applied to one end? Guys who put a weight with a laser on the end and let it hang loose and then tighten so it now has its center of gravity straight down, can then twang the shaft vertically. Do that, rotating the shaft and you will likely find the straight flexing planes or FLO flat line oscillation. Got a frequency meter, measure the frequency in each of those planes to know the stiffest one. One may also wonder if the stiffest one is best, or if someway one could measure how wide around that shaft that spot stayed oscillating straight as the best. Want to find the unstraightness of the shaft, or residual bend in it. Use Kaufmanns inverted flex board. Mount the shaft horizontally, and put the tip in like a block of wood roughly size of matchbox, which then rests on your scale. As you turn the shaft, the highest reading is when the shaft bend is pushing down into the scale, the lowest reading would be when the end is then trying to point up to the sky. If you want to try to get some type of way to compare the numbers, they are showing you the bend. However, if you put two holes in the block an inch apart, and the take the difference of the numbers, that will give you a force number with most all the residual bend impact eliminated.

Does this machine work for left handed golfers?

@apmechanic7704

4 жыл бұрын

No

at what point do you add the the swing speed factor in to the shaft twist? say i have a swing speed of 85mph. shaft is flo/spine. Now at address my shaft Spine is aiming at the target. Now, from the top of my swing, on the way down, the shaft will twist towards it's weakest point so that the spine will no longer face the target, the weakest point will to the target! because the shaft will all ways take the least resistant path. and the amount of twist will depending on the speed at which it is traveling. Now make the swing speed 115mph, Shaft will still twist via it's weakest point faster. So, in theory! spine adjusting does little good. better work on Shaft flex and kick points. And since the kick points are the least path of resistance you can control the amount of twist at the kick points. Take an X stiff shaft and put it on the machine, If I'm right, you will find the x shaft will take less adjusting. May be even no adjustments needed. And. HMMMM! something to think about!

The camera slowly rotates to the left and a man appears...the point of view is like what Rainman would see if he were standing there.

A lot of interesting comments here, how much does that machine cost? I'd love to have one of those for our stores.

@brianlehr78

4 жыл бұрын

HeavenReservation I heard on another video that it was about $40000

Is it necessary to Pure steel shafts, like golds, or project X?

@krusher74

6 жыл бұрын

probably more so as most steel shafts have a spine joint as part of there manufacture.

No offence intended but quite a garbled explanation. Spining cannot be directly compared with shaft puring. To compare operations identical procedures should be followed. In the case of spining such only comprises stage 1. Stage two is to loosely affix the head to the shaft (bind the tip with thread and then force the head on over it); fix the shaft butt in a vice; vibrate the head; adjust until everything flat line oscillates. But is shaft puring, or fine tuning spining by F.L.O (flat line oscillation) the logical way to go? As opposed top say simply spining? When one swings a golf shaft the force of the head causes shaft twist (torque) and many assume that at impact the shaft and head have somehow reverted to bring the head in square I venture to suggest that if one affixes a giant weight (i.e. a club head) to one side of the shaft, and combine that with centrifugal force, the club face will have a natural tendency to come in open. Hence golfers inter alia turn over their wrists in the impact zone in order to correct such. I further suggest that the force twisting the head open is too great to be countermanded by simply adjusting shaft spine location. Thus flat line oscillation gained in either a puring machine or by vicing and tweaking is purely a misleading illusion. Even if loading the shaft a la puring maching did work the load to apply is unknown unless one knows how each golfer loads the shaft via swing speed, lag etc. So, I suggest that neither spining or puring can provide a means to alone consistently bring a club head in square. The larger key to such is through a combination of both wrist turn and the natural turning motion of a sound golf swing. Obviously however such needs combining with a consistent head position and spining by itself will go a small way to encourage such insofar as such enable the shaft to achieve its optimal minimal torque. F.L.O.ing and puring are both unnecessary as largely they alter the spine location via a wrongly chosen force and undo a small amount of good work.

Spine tool only uses ball bearings it does not matter the holder they are in. You spin a shaft in 2 ball bearings and the build er tries there best to distinguish what he thinks is the spine. SST PURE takes physical measurements of the entire shaft 360 degrees and locates EXACTLY what part of the shaft is the stiffest and what part of the shaft is the softest part of shaft. Locates that and then we flat line the shaft from that point. SST MACHINE ALSO DOES TORQUE AND STRAITNESS OF THE SHAFT.

Aren't you suppose to position the spine at 3 O' Clock position @ address? instead of 12 O' Clock position at address? I'm confused!

@gavinpickin157

3 жыл бұрын

spining the top is the spine, pure-ing seems to do it side to side, so it was rotated 90 degrees... but he seemed to miss that point.

When a shaft has multiple spines, it's trash. No more than two. One is better. I have had great success using the old bearing spine alignment method. I weight the tip with a laser and flex and release and it draws a straight line where the spine is. Assuming it doesn't have multiple spines.

If I was spending 1100 plus for set a irons or 300 plus for driver, I expect the manufacture to align the dang shaft straight as possible. Talk about a quality control.

hi, anyone know pure sst support email plzz??

You don’t spine align graphite shafts because of multiple spines in graphite shafts........only spine align steel shaft you will only find one spine in every steel shaft then insert the spine at 3 or 9 o’clock

If someone built me a club with the logo off center I would send it back to be done again. If it looks wrong it will play wrong. The golfer will over ride any thing you do.

I have to support this argument, which in short means: the golf swing is too complex and involves forces from too many directions and influences to apply linear robotic testing as the baseline of optimal performance. The testing procedure is compelling, but it is applying simple methods to a very complex artistic movement.

So basically you are floing the shaft.

very good video....nice explanation of spining and puring. Maybe you shud try smiling once in your life!!! i would never do any work with you, because of that,!! Do you hate your job and buisness that bad?? WOW.... Smile dude.... Would have been a ten times better video, if you hadnt been so damn serious.... Jeeeeeezzzzzz.... lighten up Francis.... Seriously... smile dude!!!

@n-rfamily8774

8 жыл бұрын

Practice what you preach. Look at your mug shot. Look's like you got a serious case of red ass.

This is completely and totally wrong. Anyone who has the comprehension to understand the variables involved KNOWS that the "spine" is just a reference spot while performing the FINAL orientation of the shaft relative to the club. There are other "spines" in most shafts that can work against or with the main "spine" identified with simple bearings. This SST method does with technology what used to be achieved only through a manual trial and error process.

Your comparison was completely rigged. I hope it is not intentional but I speculate that it is. But be honest with people. You used the ball bearing method. It is cheap and its crap. You should have used a REAL SPINE TOOL and unless you threw it out when you got the SST PURE machine, I bet you have one. The truth is that the SST PURE method is the easiest method for finding optimal spine alignment but it is not THAT much better than using the proper tools.

He using the wrong spin tool and he is using the wrong way. I bet he has NEVER found flo a shaft in his life.

Another marketing load of BS for all the suckers out there. How do you pure an adjustable club ?

I am a local pro in the area which this company exists. I see no value in doing this to a handicap over 5. They consistently cannot hit the sweet spot not create repeatable swings. Lets be honest, waste of money and time. Great bullshit to sell.

@aboyo6230

6 жыл бұрын

If people are dropping thousands per year to get that little bit more help, why not add this too. It’s true it’s incrementally better, and if someone wants to pay to play then have the best shot they can possibly have at it.

@Mackaygolf

5 жыл бұрын

You're a pro? They cannot consistently hit the sweet spot largely due to the equipment. Sheesh. How can people not understand this is a game of eliminating variables. Reducing shaft lag and droop inconsistencies throughout variable load dynamics is fundamental to striking the sweet spot.

@jarosdav

5 жыл бұрын

Hey youngunner. I doubt you are a PGA pro if a pro at all. Your comment reflects your lack of knowledge and your greed to just give lessons. Which I'm sure are worthless if provided by you.

@golf007sd2

5 жыл бұрын

Pro...my ass. You sound like a want to be pro. If you have the balls post your real name and the shop you work at. Lastly, the cost is $20-$30 you per club. Considering the length of time an "average" golf club owner gets new gear, such a process will aid their golf performance.

@alfawoof1

5 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a few desperate, angry hacks commenting here. I too am a pro AND a club builder/fitter, and had the same observation as youngunner45. When I build a set, I spine and flo as a function of process but it is of little to no value to a hack. Conversely, a good player (like me, and youngunner45) can take a set of randomly assembled knock offs and still take all your money... Sorry if the truth hurts. Now go take a lesson from a PGA pro, and quit trying to $pend your way into good golf. Hogan said it best, go find it in the dirt.. Cheers!