Do you still prefer mechanical shifting? Or is now the time to go wireless? Let us know what you think about Sram's big launch in the comments! ⚡️⚡️

@megatryn

3 жыл бұрын

This combined with the superior shifting capabilities of a Shimano cassette should be a winner :D

@Fred_the_1996

3 жыл бұрын

@@megatryn this cassette lasts longer though

@mathiasvanwynsberghe3061

3 жыл бұрын

@@megatryn possible, no? GX Eagle AXS in combination with XT, Microspline and Hyperglide

@Robinators

3 жыл бұрын

I want 11 speed axs.

@iiooppjjkkll

3 жыл бұрын

Electronic all the way.

I want to see someone do a video where two people have their shifters crossed and they are shifting for each other

@2ackchach563

3 жыл бұрын

I've thought about it before... could be cool

@bikeradar

3 жыл бұрын

@@2ackchach563 Our video manager Felix would like to be the one in control of the apps for that challenge 🕹 It would certainly put the groupsets through their paces!

@keirfarnum6811

3 жыл бұрын

You are easily entertained.

@KeithDenny

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like something @GMBN would do

@lucasbright3331

3 жыл бұрын

Check vital mtb they did a little thing

put it on 1.25 speed you're welcome

@bnzboy

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao 0.75 for those who want to go eveeen slower

@alexevans1424

3 жыл бұрын

Go to 2x for increased lols!

@robmccall5017

3 жыл бұрын

Thx helped me a lot since had some Things left to do !

@Alexandros_Patsialidis

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

When Alex said if you were blindfolded you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between GX AXS or XO! AXS or XX1 AXS. It's not surprising. You'd be in the back of an ambulance.

My right thumb was reattached after a nasty accident a few decades ago (not bike-related!). It is not very strong and a day of shifting makes it ache. I will go wireless!

@jonoharper4729

3 жыл бұрын

This product was made for you. It will be ideal. And, you can hold the switch for multiple gear shifts in either direction, game changer product imo. Best wishes, enjoy the trails.

Nice. I have been riding the AXS XX1 for a long time. Now it's time for a 9-46 cassette or a bicycle derailleur dedicated to a gravel bike

Having upgraded my 2020 Marin Bobcat Trail 3 from Shimano Altus 3x8 to SRAM NX 1x12, this release has me all excited once again. The NX has been fantastic but losing yet another piece of cable clutter and having those smooth fast shifts is something I am very much looking forward to. Nice to know my bike will have plenty of life left yet!

Thanks for the great review! The only issue I have is the discussion comparing the weight of the AXS system with mechanical shifting as I’m not sur you considered the weight saving from the cables, which may have tipped the balance a bit more in favour of the AXS. None-the-less your review was pretty comprehensive and its great knowing it had a full work out in challenging conditions. I’d be interested to hear if anyone has had issues riding in sloppy / thick mud - you know the type that sticks to cassettes and derailleurs causing shifting issues.

I always find this series programmatic. Nice way to deepen its focus.

awesome info! great job guys, love your content.

@bikeradar

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it ❤️

I bit the bullet and bought the upgrade today. Excited to see how it works out.

Adding to my Norco...cant wait to get on the trail with it...

The 2023 Trek Powerfly FS 9 comes with one of those. I'll have mine in a couple days. Can't wait!

I just got mine... great upgrade

Excellent video, thanks!

It's great to have the wireless option available. More precision and less cables is good. But not for everybody. The amount of time you said "if you are in the market for an electronic shifter" says it all. It's expensive yes, but that's not the only barrier. For me the main problem is: it is yet another thing to remember. Charge your shifter battery. Battery technology is a major limiting factor of what wireless equipment can do. I cannot remember my water bottle, let alone charging the shifter battery, and the latter has much more serious consequences. With such a short battery life it's bound to happen. For a person like me, always distracted by its everyday life, biking being only a passion and a free time activity, having the reliability of pure mechanical shifting removes stress and make life simpler.

anyone else found the most interesting part of the video the fact that he is testing new groupsets from shimano sram and other brands?

I wonder if the mechanical weights he was quoting at the end include the cable & housing?

my only reservation about GX (AXS) is that when I replaced my cable X01 derailuer after a crash with a GX it seemed to last about 3 months before I started to get bushing wear in the hanger mount and no amount of tuning could get rid of the associated ghost shifts/non shifting....

What does the mechanical shifter cable weigh? 100g? Is this already represented in the mechanical vs eshift weight comparison? Thanks for the great review! Ordered one just now

Surely the next biggest milestone in cycling since disc brakes.

I am going to wait until it has been out for about a year to see how it goes and hope it drops in price because it is still double as expensive as buying a Shimano Xtr shifter and derailleur

Hi Alex. Great review! Talking here from Brazil. Just one doubt: The derailleur and shifter is compatible with NX 11-50 HG sistem? I'm thinking in upgrade, but, without change my freehub for XD.

In many articles and videos they mention the mullet with mtb gear in the rear and road levers up front. Hiwever never the other way around. I guess that it is possible to pair the GX Eagle AXS with the new Rival road derailleurs?

Hell yeah I had the X0 in my bookmarks since forever (because GX Eagle never shifted 100% perfect) but it was a bit to expensive, this is the right price.

@RobertSchuster68

3 жыл бұрын

Does it also run with 11 gears?

@stefan1632

3 жыл бұрын

I just recently got X01 AXS and absolutely love it's expensive but it shifts great and really quickly and not having a cable is a win.

Can't wait for an SX groupset with 500% range! Now that would be awesome

@andersskeie3760

3 жыл бұрын

10-50 cassettes are machined from one piece and are going on a XD drive, so don't think it's cheap enough to produce to offer it on SX, but maybe they'll make 11-52 or even 11-54 cassette

@oogabooga6619

3 жыл бұрын

You can buy more affordable 10-50 cassette from china, but the quality of shifting will be worse. But honestly, they’d better make better quality sx than sell a 12-speed tourney

I'm curious how repairable the derailleur is if it gets twisted or if it's only replaceable. Particularly since last night a mate shredded their GX (non-AXS) derailleur (and chain) after the chain bouncing, jamming and twisting. Replacing one of them at £50 isn't a joy. Having to spend £350-ish would mean 2009 hardtail for a number of months for me. 😬 I guess at least it's a steel cage. But nothing on a mountain bike is ever invincible.

I would buy a bike that had gx axs specced. But don't think I would bother upgrading my current drivetrain.

Can you use it in the Scottish slop and is it waterproof when cleaning the bike also??

Does the pulley cage have the same measurements as the mechanical GX derailleur(52t)? Would it be possible to swap over the aluminum cage(the whole cage not just the inner cage) from the mechanical version to this AXS version to save some weight and maybe minimize the chain slap with a less heavy cage?

6:13 nice shot

Could I kindly ask you to comment on whether the upgrade kit would work on a Shimano XT 1x12 (keeping the cassette, cranks and chairing from shimano and installing GX AXS rear derailleur and shifter)?

How about automatic shifting with very used components, eg. after 3-4000km? Is it automatically correcting the differences caused by wearoff?

Tempting, but that's a lot of additional unsprung weight. And an expensive item quite exposed to wrecking.

The price will leave people debating if they should go with this or a much nicer traditional drivetrain. However, I can't deny how absolutely amazing this is at this price point.

@Elias-jo1cc

2 жыл бұрын

at 399 eur today

The presenter's voice is like ASMR. I could listen to him all day long.

@bikeradar

3 жыл бұрын

We'll let Alex 'Velvet' Evans know you enjoyed the video!

The chain does not fully wrap around 11th and 12th gear , what did I do wrong?

But one crash and you're out close to a grand. Does that make sense? Given the circumstances that one is riding among rocks at fast speeds. Does this really make sense?

Cool, but I think I’d really go in for wireless suspension lockout or dropper before shifter...for now, it’s all too money to ride in the dirt.

Can this set be serviced? What happen if one of them got messed up ? Or the battery fail ?

Ok i admmit, im not a sram guy but this is great, but i have 1 concern, almost 500gr hang in the derailleur hanger will not make it bend AF? True question

@Jonners

3 жыл бұрын

No, not at all.

Does the weight stated for the gx mechanical set include the cable?

I wonder how these new wirelless systems will handle winter riding. How long will those batteries last in -10°C to -30°C.

@maxbreak147

3 жыл бұрын

dont‘t know about -30, mate. But i never had any problems with battery. I ride in any conditions. lowest temp -18

does it works with 9x50 XD cassette and SLX narrow wide chain ring?

what is the best hub recomendation?

Two questions: 1. How confident can one be that the battery wouldn't jump from its place when going through rougher terrain? Or when you hit a rock, or have an accident? How securely is it locking in place? I'd be desperate to loose the battery in the middle of nowhere, with the derailleur on the wrong gear... 2. I guess it works with other XD cassettes, such as Garbaruk, right?

@alexevans1424

3 жыл бұрын

The battery is locked in place securely. The force required to break it away from the derailleur would most likely result in other significant damage to the derailleur, chain or even frame. I don't think it is a concern. SRAM recommends only using Eagle drivetrain components with one another, but if the cassette is 12-speed, I can see no real reasons why it wouldn't work. I hope that helps!

@scherzo0o

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexevans1424 I think it should work to... if the mechanical GX is working with a 12 speed Garbaruk cassette on my son's bike, why shouldn't the AXS GX?

@alexevans1424

3 жыл бұрын

@@scherzo0o Yep, if GX Eagle mechanical is working with the cassette, I see no reason why GX AXS wouldn't. Cheers!

Can you have the one shifter controlling the derailleur and dropper post?

@tomaskonkol8894

3 жыл бұрын

Thinking about that. Long press for dropper.

So let me get this correct, I can pair the gx eagle rear derailleur with the SRAM force AXS system to get a 2x AXS system with a 43/30 wide crankset and a 10/51 cassette? Expensive, yes, but possible?

@jonoharper4729

3 жыл бұрын

No, unfortunately not. This derailleur is only compatible with a 1x chain-ring/crankset. I have a mullet setup on a gravel bike, Sram Red AXS x1 chain-ring/crankset/brake shifters, with a 46T chain-ring up front and a Eagle XX1 AXS rear derailleur with a 10-52 cassette. It has unbelievable range for climbing as well as top speed. And it's a very light drive train. No issues in over 14 months, just service and cleaning regularly. I love it, best range, lightest group set, best performance. Give it a go (choose a chainring to suit your needs, climbing or speed)👌🔥

@bruceblair4316

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonoharper4729 Thank you very much! When I heard that it was compatible with the AXS system, my mind got to working thinking of ways of maximizing the range lol.

Can i mount this on 10v cassette? Is it possible?

Viva competition! Don't care for SRAM, butI hope this spurs 105 Di2 :)

@pappie_joppie

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't count on it

so perfect for gravel right?

I would stick with mechanical shifters, if there's an apocalypse with EMP, no gas etc. A mechanical bike would always do better hehe

Thats a steal

just ordered today. Stagecoach 400 will the inaugural ride. Guess we will see.....

@gregoryvierra6114

3 жыл бұрын

Ordered from where?

Did I miss it or was there no mention of what happens if there is a power loss from flat battery or component failure? Is there any way to select a gear other than the one you're in to get back to base or will you need to climb a 25% rise in top gear??

@alexevans1424

3 жыл бұрын

If there the derailleur runs out of battery it stays in its current gear. If the shifter runs out of battery it is possible to shift the derailleur using its AXS button up or down the cassette. A single push shifts to a higher gear while a double push shifts to a lower one. I hope that helps.

@romansenger2322

Жыл бұрын

Your drop saddle will usually have the same battery, just put it there to get home.

I'd rather have xx1 mechanical which is lighter and less expensive, still cool though!!

A clean, wireless setup is nice and shifting appears to be smooth but I find both benefits relatively minor. At the same time, potentially forgetting to recharge the battery is pretty scary and charging one more device is tedious to me. I'll stick to mechanical shifting for the forseeable future.

@rayglasscock9667

3 жыл бұрын

Nearly had one fitted ( expensive one ) glad I didn't now going to save a few pounds. I was really lucky the bike shop was busy might save a bit more and fit it myself ? Shop around for best price

I'm waiting for shimano's answer. Do Deore Di2, now!

I wonder if you can change the cage from a mechanical mech to save weight

@dripidgeon

3 жыл бұрын

Ditto..I've an XO1 mechanical mech..might swap a few bits over!

Does the app send you a notification when battery is low or do you have to check it? Also can you use a smaller cassette?

@ajL_gg

3 жыл бұрын

I have my XX1 rear synced to my Wahoo and it will show what gear you are in and give you a low battery warning. No push notifications from the SRAM app, but if you open it it will show an alert (2 hours remaining in my case).

@alexevans1424

3 жыл бұрын

In theory you can use any 12-speed cassette with a lowest sprocket that doesn't exceed 52t, although SRAM recommends only using Eagle components. The app doesn't send push notifications about battery life, but as the yankeeDEUCE said, it is possible to pair AXS with a host of other accessories to get live battery information.

Its interesting how much cheaper this is in America compared to Europe. Based on today's conversion rates (the same day as this video posted, and launch day for this device), the American price is $600 USD. This is the equivalent of $760 in the UK (£554 GBP) and equivalent to $730 in Europe (€620 Eur). I am guessing it is probably $750 - $800 CAD in Canada (but I couldn't find the price).

@scherzo0o

3 жыл бұрын

It's the VAT, I guess...

If the clutch was stronger/adjustable I'd have one. I just find my current mechanical Gx eagle allows too much chainslap.

@gruensein

3 жыл бұрын

Same here. I was really disappointed when I realized that this cannot be adjusted. Other than that, I am quite happy with mechanical GX

Ill stick to mechanical grip shift thank you very much... i see this as an expensive gimmick. besides, the less things i need to charge, the better it is for me :)

Do I video on a average beating on the derailleur

Will it only work with the 520%? I have the 500% gx rn and this looks cool but I don't know If I want to buy another Cassette too

@Kikiobi616

3 жыл бұрын

He says it works with NX

@jonoharper4729

3 жыл бұрын

It works with the 10-50 cassette too, compatible with both. You don't have to change cassette 😉👍

Is it compatible with 11 speed NX? When you say “all eagle” drivetrains I’m not sure everyone knows what that is. I have a 2018 11 speed and would upgrade that if compatible. If only works with 12 speed that would be a shame. TIA.

@Shadowghost81

3 жыл бұрын

No it’s only compatible with 12 speed

Do u have to have an eagle cassette crankset and chain or can it be Shimano pleasereply I really need to kmow

@toddvanderpas95

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t think they work across brands

@rorypennington8620

3 жыл бұрын

@@toddvanderpas95 thx

There should be an 11-speed option as well. 12 gears on ebikes is too much. 8 gears in 500% would be optimal.

@nelsonglover3963

2 жыл бұрын

Who needs 500% on an ebike?

@tarpattituopponen7783

2 жыл бұрын

@@nelsonglover3963 anyone who does real mtb.

@BeaverTerror

10 ай бұрын

​@@tarpattituopponen7783ebikes are not "real" mtb

So can u run a 10 - 50

Think I’ll wait for the telepathic version might be cheaper.

@sfdint

2 жыл бұрын

Afraid my mind would send conflicting signals.

Now I want wireless brakes.

Can this be used with SRAM drop bar shifters as part of a gravel bike set up?

@fotografamos4083

3 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@samanderson1317

3 жыл бұрын

Yes any sram axs can be cross platformed with any drop bar system

What’s next, Rival AXS for roadies?

I was sat happily waiting for you to say it would be about £150 😂😂😭😭

my bike groupset Shimano SLX 12s, can my bike upgrade to GX axs with SLX cassett, chain, crank?

When is this coming out? Im buying it for sure

@jrldude8719

3 жыл бұрын

It's out now!

@djakyll

3 жыл бұрын

@@jrldude8719 just ordered

@jrldude8719

3 жыл бұрын

@@djakyll Yeah, I've placed my order as well.

@james-hb5tu

3 жыл бұрын

@@jrldude8719 Where to order from? I don't see anywhere selling them online

@jrldude8719

3 жыл бұрын

@@james-hb5tu Earlier today both World Wide Cyclery and Competitive Cyclist had them in stock.

I am personally more worried about what will happen when it breaks and the money I have to spend, as the deralier is in the mercy of the hanger, in my experience

@disco.lemonade

3 жыл бұрын

There's always Shimano Altus there for you

@ajames1506

3 жыл бұрын

Isn’t the purpose of the hanger essentially to bend or break in order to save the derailleur? Besides it’s main purpose of attaching it to the frame.

@louiswright235

3 жыл бұрын

@@ajames1506 not in my experience, I think it is more to save the frame as the right chainstay wont get broken, but it is probably to protect both

@thenine83

3 жыл бұрын

@@ajames1506 The hanger doesn't really help much when the derailleur takes a hit from below from e.g. a rock, which is a very regular occurrence in mountain biking. It will only take some of the impact from a side-on hit such as the bike falling on it's side.

SRAM killing it while Shimano still doesn’t offer a wireless dura ace 😂 no hate here I ride Shimano GRX and 105 but it’s a bit sad we don’t get this much choice as Shimano Users!

i can companies that produce motors will have wireless throttle and few other sensors

Wireless is the maxx. I have it now for 6 weeks. I never go back.

they should make the clutch replaceable like on the shimano derailleurs. Otherwise, you pay a lot of money for the piece of gear that's going to become useless in two seasons due to the clutch wear

But wait, Shimano just released a competing product. It's a coffee table book.

@fazza2104

3 жыл бұрын

?

@lloydusdavies

3 жыл бұрын

@@fazza2104 For their 200th anniversary or 100th or something Shimano had a count down clock and everyone thought they were going to release a 12 speed wireless groupset or something interesting but all it ended up being was an expensive coffee table book on the history of the brand/company.

What is the difference between the $150 GX and the $200 original AXS shifter? Also, WTF? A battery and charger cost $80?!?

The only real downside of this is the battery life. For most of us, 20 hours is more than enough but bike packers or similar folk...mechanical shifting will always have its place.

@trey6272

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not one to ride for more than 20 hours, but wouldn't a spare battery solve this issue? Yes, I know it adds to the cost, but seems that one could throw it in the pack and pop it on when needed. I'm assuming that is the way it would work. I have no personal knowledge, as I've never had the opportunity to try AXS.

@ErikFORV3RT

3 жыл бұрын

It's 20hours full time use. So that means 20hours non stop shifting. In normal use it should last 2-4 weeks. And a spare battery is only 30gs. So actually not really an issue.

@letsgo_inc

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, it is a pretty fringe scenario but I can see people opting to be fully mechanical just so they never have to worry about it. Eventually, the bike will have to charge and who knows where you might be.

What about x01 AXS

I seriously don't understand Shimano. They've had an electronic Di2 for 11 speed mountain bikes for a long time, and they just let it slide for the 12 speed? They could've been way ahead of the curve on this one and decided to not 'innovate' a whole 1 more speed into their Di2 lineup. That's just lazy, and now SRAM is killing it with their AXS setups.

@iiooppjjkkll

3 жыл бұрын

Agree. I have the xtr di2 11 setup. Bought it 4 years ago. I’m done waiting on shimano going 12 speed electronic. The speed of innovation / r&d at shimano is glacial.

@jonoharper4729

3 жыл бұрын

Guys, this Sram Eagle AXS mtb range is amazing, a game changer. I've had it since launch, best decision I've made. Very precise, low maintenance system, highly recommended. If you can afford it, go for it.

@MrPijus123

3 жыл бұрын

I'd bet that Shimano will come out with something soon enough, otherwise SRAM will dominate the high end market since 11 speed is simply outdated these days. Maybe shimano will manage an even cheaper setup too.

Why would someone would want to hack a rear derailure?

@238assante

3 жыл бұрын

a hackers credo : if it emits, it permits.

Just bought it today. 900 cad. 😳.

If I was Shimano would be shiting it I run Shimano XT on my new scalpel if I had schramm ID definitely changing over

I just freaking ordered a SLX 1X12 too 😭😭

@vzhickok

3 жыл бұрын

Well, slx is much cheaper :)

@MAGAIVER

3 жыл бұрын

@@vzhickok and much better.

@profefelipemedina3753

3 жыл бұрын

@@MAGAIVER based on what? Did you already own and tested a GX AXS? Tell us why the SLX is better

@james-hb5tu

3 жыл бұрын

@@profefelipemedina3753 can confirm the GX AXS tastes delicious

@oogabooga6619

3 жыл бұрын

@@profefelipemedina3753 good shifting for much lower price

Sram just killed their top end xx1 with this one!! But this thing is trully appreciated!! Thank you sram!!

@natgeoba7377

3 жыл бұрын

I personally don't think so because the price gap between a GX upgrade kit and a XX1 upgrade kit is so little (about 150€). If GX AXS was around 450-500, then yes but at its current price, they will still sell XX1 and XO1

@Hardcaslte

3 жыл бұрын

I'd wager the same amount of people willing to spend the price on an XX1 mechanical are going to be the only people willing to spend the price on an XX1 AXS. I rarely see XX1 or X01 kits, it's just not worth it for the price.

@scherzo0o

3 жыл бұрын

Nope, the weight is still crucial for some, you know...

Almost 0.5kg for a rear mech? Holy shit!

Nice

I will not have electronic shifting unless it's an electronic gearbox.

sorry, is it more expensive in EUR?! 7:00 "600$ or 620EUR"?!

@thierrylerinckx1340

3 жыл бұрын

Yes if that's true it's a shame.

@johnshade4001

3 жыл бұрын

It’s not only a shame it’s illogical due to currency exchange rates. I think presenter meant “in USA, in UK and in EU” and not in corresponding currencies per say.

@alexevans1424

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnshade4001 Hey John. All of the GX Eagle AXS pricing can be found on BikeRadar: www.bikeradar.com/news/sram-gx-eagle-axs-upgrade-kit/ but in short, the upgrade kit costs: £554 / $600 / €620. I hope that helps.

@thierrylerinckx1340

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexevans1424 that looks like discrimination. At the current exchange rate, it should be 435 £ and 510 € . I'll stick with Shimano sir!

@stefangrau7328

3 жыл бұрын

$ Prices doesn't include Tax. And the € prices usually do. £ I think also includes Tax.

Just do away with mechanical completely and make the entire range wireless. Then it would be affordable for everyone. Mechanical is getting ancient, but wireless pricing is not worth it. It’s a Bluetooth device with a battery. Stop ripping the consumers and give them a fair exchange between value on price.

@ericmagee9054

3 жыл бұрын

Give it time my friend. I bet in 10 years pretty much every high end new bike will be equipped with a wireless group set 🤙🏻

Not for me for many reasons. One easy wreck and it is game over. Cables only for me

The Eagle AXS derailleur is HIGHLY PRONE TO DAMAGE. It sticks out too far and if you set your bike on the ground it may pivot on the derailleur and damage the pins and rivets which ruins the shifting quality. I had this happen and ZERO help from SRAM after 2 rides!!!!

4 reasons why you shouldn't. 1 this will not make you faster. It only complicates things, sure quick and easy install. You have to remove the battery while in transit it wakes up when it senses motion. Otherwise if you go on a long trip it will run dead in the car. 2 crap spring tension, on my 2020 Scott genius 900 tuned axs. When I was taking bigger jumps and hitting rock gardens the Sram spring tension sucks so the chain was slapping my upper triangle and chipping of the paint! Never had that problem with my old genius or spark with xt shimano. 3 miss shifts, if you happen to bump that thing at the wrong time it will shift sometimes multiple gears, then when you put the power down it grinds into whatever gear it chose sometimes that can be problematic. 4 random inefficiencies, I couldn't tell if it was a miss shift or because the spring tension is crap, randomly it would skip, and I mean randomly not even at aggressive times. I ended up moving the shifter in so far that I had to reach for the shifter every time just to be sure it wasn't me bumping it on accident. And it wasn't. After three months of this crap and a scratched up bike. I took it in, had the shop install the regular xo1 shifter and derailleur. And sold that stupid thing for $300 the cost of the new shifter and derailleur. Final piece of advice DON'T waste your money on this thing it WILL NOT make you faster. Put your hard earned money in a good I9 or Onyx hub. That will take much further. And by the way after the install of the new derailleur not one skip or miss shift, just the same old crap spring tension.

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