Hello we are new to the channel and liked and subscribed. Really like your I dare solution. It's almost like a bog filter for a pond . And you can put some perennial all year round vegetation flowers because the roots inside the rocks like an aquaponics system. as the water seeps through the roots will collect the water and collect the bacteria and help fither and clean the water before it gets into your collection box and return pipes to your settlement tank to your holding tanks

Clear as mud.........

OUTSTANDING!! Tutorial Education!! I have the exact same scenario at my farm in the woods per your video. This has been extremely helpful!!! Thank you!!!

Stuff like that fascinate me. That system is put in very well with future maintenance in mind as well.

Very nice, thanks for the video. I'll bet the homeowners are happy!

Wow! What a wonderful, informative vid. Very professional, nice job. I’m getting ready to redo my H2O collection system after 30 some years and the two of your vids that I’ve seen are by far the best that I’ve come across on YT. I really appreciate the sharing of knowledge. I had never heard of bamboo rhizome barrier and after I ordered an 80 mil sheet, I noticed that you had doubled up for your retaining wall. I hope my single 80 will be adequate. Mickey

@7thGenerationDesign

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Mickey, you should be just fine with 80 mil - the more of these we install the less I worry about the thickness - as long as it is sunk in the ground (earth on both sides) I think you'll be just fine

Awesome video

I'm a year late, but question: as the fallen tree rots, isn't that going to end up landing on the setup?

huge resource, thanks.

Another great video 👍

grazie. ottimo video

Very Cool. Once the tank is full from the spring box where does the flow go? Is there another overflow at the tank or is the design of spring box overflow not just for the biblical flood. Thanks for sharing. Would be great to see what this looks like in a couple of years.

@7thGenerationDesign

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Daniel, there is an overflow from the actual storage tank into an adjacent pond. The spring box overflow is just for some crazy unforeseen way that both feeder lines to each of the properties get clogged or shut.

You guys want to come to KY and do this? I have a natural spring and am looking to do this

@7thGenerationDesign

8 ай бұрын

Hi Brock, I'm not sure where exactly you are in KY, but half of the 7th Gen team (me, Casey) is now located in eastern TN - about an hour north of Chattanooga - so I'm not so far from you if you are looking for in-person help. Just did another spring in Black Mountain, NC last week - you can find the video for that one one my new KZread Channel here: www.youtube.com/@thesovereignhomestead and/or you can reach out to me at www.TheSovereignHomestead.com. Wes is still CA-based and generally fields all of the west coast inquiries regarding springs, and I take midwest and east coast. Please drop a line and let me know if I can help in any way!

@brockdelorenzo7505

8 ай бұрын

@@7thGenerationDesign great. I went to your website and put in a request for contact. I am right off of I 75 by Mount Vernon. Lots of caves under all the properties out there. Would love to have you guys come out. Looking forward to being contacted by you.

I appreciate your detailed descriptions. I have four collection dams in different springs and canyons that range in age from 6 years to 30+ years old. Three of them I built myself. I have the luxury of being able to get down to bedrock, to build cement dams in the dry season, so my collection dams are not at risk of being undercut by water, but on the upstream sides, I always eventually have roots of various trees and snakeroot taking over and filling up the entire system all the way to the collection pipe. This can take anywhere from 2-5 years, but I have not yet discovered a way to keep the lines flowing and roots out for more than a few years. Do you have any long term discoveries you have found for systems working for more than 5 years or even a decade? Some of my pipes are just open 3/4 or 2" pipe with an elbow pointing down in cobble so sand won't flow in as easily, but a couple are regular mesh screen conical "foot valve cages" but with the check valve assembly removed. None of these are immune to root plugging. I find that larger holes are somewhat less trouble free. The smaller hole cages I need to back flow them pretty often to clean out silt. They range in depth from 3 inches to 2 feet. 3-4" is easier to clean, 2 feet takes longer to plug but harder to backwash.

@7thGenerationDesign

Жыл бұрын

We haven't run into any root plugging scenarios yet - just moved to Tennessee though so might see more of that out here! It sounds like you've already done fine screen wraps around your intake pipes. A material I am keen to work with for future installations is geofabric - fine enough to filter out the smallest of sand particles - I've got a prototype modular collection system I'm hoping to trial soon that would basically involved wrapping a 55 gal HDPE drum drilled with holes in a sleeve of this geofabric - basically turning it into a sump, inside which would be the collection piping, screw off lid for easy access and maintenance. The same principles could perhaps be extended to your entire filter/collection package (i.e. lining and wrapping the whole collection zone with geofabric)? I have yet to see roots penetrate this material, though I don't have any long term data on that as of yet.

Explain how two sheets of plastic prevents contaminated surface water from entering the system.

@7thGenerationDesign

Жыл бұрын

The sheets just protect the capping material at the spring head. If there is a contamination source further upslope that gets into the groundwater before this zone it won't help. The spring head itself is now level and flat and walkable by wildlife, so more likely to attract droppings etc, so at least we can keep them out of the immediate collection zone.

This is a great video. I need to do this type of retrofit on the old collection system mt grandfather put in thats now failed. I'll have to make a large collection wall/collar as there are multiple seeping points.... i like how you've used the tin to keep the filter rocks seperate for installation. This is great info. I'm curious about the clay base of the wall. This seems like one of the most important parts? Otherwise water goes under it? Any tips for this part? Keep up the great work out there boys!

@7thGenerationDesign

Жыл бұрын

Hi Sara, The clay "collar" for the collection wall is to prevent / reduce the likelihood of any piping of water at the base of the collection wall. Very hard to objectively assess its performance, but in a lot of the old manuals this technique would be used to seal around the base of a spring box that would be set on top of a point source spring, so we've adapted it to the collection wall installation. In this particular instance, the substrate into which the wall was being set was almost gelatinous, and very susceptible to piping. By setting the wall into clay cobs we limited that piping until the back side of the wall could be filled in with native material. Thus far it seems to be working. That's great that you have a legacy spring to work with - a true pay it forward kind of opportunity :) We hope your retrofit goes well and you get that wild water flowing again!

Awesome job! When will you put in the moonshine still? lol

Nice video. But why you’ll didn’t cut the tree that fell over the spring so it wouldn’t damage it?

@7thGenerationDesign

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. Cutting that tree was beyond our pay grade :) We would have had to bring in some heavy equipment or something to pull it out, and that would have damaged the site even more - also access in to the spring head was very tight, so it would have meant tearing up a bunch of the forest to do it.

@jonjonword6222

10 ай бұрын

A chainsaw isn’t that hard to hike in……..

What is the material of the long flexible wall? When is the best time to set up a collection system like this? I started my collection system but ran into heavy rain (8 inches in 4 days) and find out the overflow was really small for the collection system. Love your videos , greeting from Puebla, Mexico

@7thGenerationDesign

Жыл бұрын

Hi jmbando1 - the wall material is bamboo rhizome barrier - you can get it in long rolls at many different widths. It is made of HDPE and very strong yet thin and pliable to work with. lewisbamboo.com/collections/bamboo-shield It depends on your specific site, but I'd always lean towards drier times of year, particularly if you're working with a seep vs. a discrete spring head - it will be much easier to work with. Sounds like you have a great data point for sizing your overflow! Good luck with your install!

Someone explain to me why are they using plastic (oil based) for harvesting natural spring water? No matter how you look at it that water will flow by a pollutant material.. It just doesn't sit right by me.. I mean for several milenias people designed natural springs and natural methods of flow.. why can't we today without plastic??

Why didn't you put drain field cloth between the uphill dirt side and your rock? Drain field cloth is cheap and it keeps dirt and sand from creeping into your cobble and crashed rock. Yes I have developed many springs and dug wells. We always use Drain field cloth, super cheap insurance to keep the system from failing down the road.

@7thGenerationDesign

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely will be doing this in future installs - the cloth we had on-hand was actually quite impermeable for some reason, and was causing backflooding issues, so we chose not to use it. The water bearing layer is also mostly gravel, not a whole lot of fines, but I agree, adding some of the sand/silt-proof geotextile fabric is definitely the way to go.

That surrounding needs to kept as it is found. Even better if bannana tree is planted to it's surrounding.

I’m about to buy the remainder of the stone for my project but I’m confused what I need because one of your other seep vids has 3-5” cobble, followed by 2” and then 3/8 pea gravel, a fine mesh screen and finally sand. While this vid is basically 3-5” cobble and 3/4” limestone w/o a mesh screen. Why the change and what do you recommend? I’ve purchased the mesh, big cobble and 3/8 pea gravel already. I’m not sure what else I need. Is the sand essential? Thanks for your prompt reply to a previous question, I appreciate your help. Mickey

@7thGenerationDesign

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Mickey, We based the selection of the filter package materials on the nature of the native water bearing sediment. We used sand in the prior video because the native water bearing layer was a fine sand that we wanted to keep out of the filter package, and very susceptible to wash out. We have a prototype system in development that I am hopeful will make a lot of the hauling of filter package materials obsolete - essentially a 55 gal drum that contains your collection piping, screw top lid for access - the drum is drilled with 1/2" holes all around the sides and bottom, and then we make a custom "sleeve" for the barrel utilizing a fleece geotextile - similar to the one David talks about here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lXaZvNKlhMKbnc4.html This would allow for high-inflow into the collection barrel while still stopping essentially all sediment intrusion. The screw off top would make maintenance far easier on the collection piping than having them interred in gravel and cobble. The sleeve would be "stitched" together use a torch to get a complete seal on all the seams. Hopefully that was a clear description. Best of luck with your install!

@mickeyjanowski9457

2 жыл бұрын

@@7thGenerationDesign Thanks again for your thoughtful reply, I appreciate the link to David, he’s got some good stuff also. If you ever get into any hydroelectric systems, I’ve got a blog on my job which might have an insight or two. It also has a link to my YT vid. Cheers, Mickey wvhydro.org

I noticed where the two 11/2 pipes meet you used a tee instead of sweep 90's or two 45 degree fitting to cause less turbulence. Anytime you have water colliding is not good. ABS drain pipe works great for these spring systems and ABS has all kinds of sweeping fittings. It's just going to a springbox, drain pipe works better. Less restriction with big sweeps and better flow. So many young people comment how great all these do it yourself videos are without any experience. I'm not trying to troll just tired of watching everbody copy someone else's idea and making a video. Especially when the guy you learned from doesn't know much. Yeah drain field cloth and ABS drain pipes with big sweeps are how us old school guys do it. The right way!

Have you totally killed your spring yet?