Spirit and Vitality HEAD-TO-HEAD / Can frozen and FaZe win the PGL Major? - Counter-Points S2E13

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Thorin and Maniac present narratives surrounding the CS2 PGL Copenhagen Major, discussing tournament favorites Spirit, Vitality, and FaZe, dark horses like Heroic, MOUZ, and Eternal Fire, and superstar players like donk and ZywOo.
Counter-Points is a Counter-Strike talk show, hosted by Duncan "Thorin" Shields and Mathieu "Maniac" Quiquerez.
This video was recorded on the 15th of March.
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0:00:00 - Intro
0:04:01 - Eternal Fire + will s1mple sub in for NAVI?
0:08:29 - Heroic
0:15:35 - ENCE
0:23:30 - Team Spirit vs Vitality
0:38:18 - ZywOo vs donk vs s1mple
1:04:15 - FaZe
1:15:10 - Cloud9
1:25:44 - MOUZ
1:35:51 - G2
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  • @cristianonacort1217
    @cristianonacort12174 ай бұрын

    I have to say, this is one of the best counter strike related podcasts out there... Maniac and Thorin kind complete each other... Thank you very much senhores!

  • @gertmolder791
    @gertmolder7914 ай бұрын

    donk in live feels like early godlike get right , especially the m4 sprays which somehow feels like it fires faster in their hands for some strange reason.

  • @juanme555

    @juanme555

    3 ай бұрын

    When he is aggressing on T Side making some vertically forward push, like jumping out of the aps window on Mirage, he REALLY reminds me a lot of Young Lekr0 in Godsent , i have been waiting for a player like this for many years, i am glad to see him here.

  • @austin9136
    @austin91364 ай бұрын

    Love this duo! nearly a 2hour episode too, looking forward to it!

  • @MrMatom55
    @MrMatom554 ай бұрын

    Perfect timing as always. I believe the duo of Thorin and Maniac are capable of the deepest analysis in esports. 🙏

  • @denmlastankovic
    @denmlastankovic4 ай бұрын

    36:28 Flamez has a good final, little bit to early for Flamez, again mentions Flamez 1min later in Blast final. Flamez joined after major :)

  • @Hornnnnnn

    @Hornnnnnn

    4 ай бұрын

    That was confusing to me

  • @Reaching8

    @Reaching8

    4 ай бұрын

    I think he was sort of in a stream of consciousness trying to say that the supporting cast on vitality has been strong for a few tournaments, and maybe he just left out ‘and at Gamers 8’ or something. I was weirded out by that too, listened to it again and was not sure what he meant.

  • @elizabethmurigi1131

    @elizabethmurigi1131

    4 ай бұрын

    He mentioned FlameZ in Paris twice.

  • @orjay6745
    @orjay67454 ай бұрын

    Perfect timing as always, nothing to do on a Saturday shift! Thank you for all the amazing content

  • @monstah9255

    @monstah9255

    4 ай бұрын

    Same! Perfect for the mindless tasks of my day! Get paid and learn about cs, great duo!

  • @FreagaZ
    @FreagaZ4 ай бұрын

    MOUZ can do damage because of their amazingly well scouted rifle trio and siuhy leadership... Am I the only one who thinks they have better riflers than NAVI for example?

  • @huh-vc5ke
    @huh-vc5ke4 ай бұрын

    I really wish g2 to win the Copenhagen major, not just because I want Niko to finally win a major but also I want to see g2 fans have the 180 degree turn on the opinion of jks and nexa

  • @elizabethmurigi1131

    @elizabethmurigi1131

    4 ай бұрын

    JKS is one of the best CT anchors. You can't compare him to Nexa. His peaks are also higher and he was very consistent. That won't change even if G2 win. That said, there's a world where G2 wins, and that is if Niko, mONESY, Hunter and Nexa all have a crazy event right from the Elimination stage. At least we could count on jks to show up and put up 1.20 ratings in those crucial games. Now Nexa has to step up

  • @Yokemeister

    @Yokemeister

    3 ай бұрын

    @@elizabethmurigi1131 found the JKS stan

  • @AstroSully
    @AstroSully4 ай бұрын

    Spirit vs Vitality would be the ideal final. But Vita outside of ZywOo has looked very shaky.

  • @starwarsguye1152

    @starwarsguye1152

    4 ай бұрын

    Nah Spirit v FaZe again. Let Karrigan run it back and win this time

  • @MaciejGorski-cu7nw

    @MaciejGorski-cu7nw

    4 ай бұрын

    Id love Faze vs Spirit rematch

  • @josephcharles4549

    @josephcharles4549

    4 ай бұрын

    The only way a Faze v Spirit final would be great is Faze actually winning a map this time around.

  • @MrMatom55
    @MrMatom554 ай бұрын

    FaZe vs Spirit final and FaZe taking the revenge would make me cream

  • @Razertw

    @Razertw

    4 ай бұрын

    Yes we need this to happen

  • @logoanimation4489
    @logoanimation44894 ай бұрын

    Banger episode watched every bit of it 💥

  • @floofy1
    @floofy13 ай бұрын

    lol both of them called it here, ENCE bombed out at the Major with a 1-3 result

  • @antix995
    @antix9953 ай бұрын

    Oh man, the Heroic, Eternal Fire and Ence storylines have aged like fine wine.

  • @ballertheking1038
    @ballertheking10384 ай бұрын

    I have no faith in G2 at this major. This is the worst form G2 has been in heading into a major since Stockholm and they look like one bad event away from blowing up the line up.

  • @Fooza05

    @Fooza05

    4 ай бұрын

    Is this an anti-jinx cos G2 went 3-0 to get to Legends... Beating FaZe too

  • @ballertheking1038

    @ballertheking1038

    4 ай бұрын

    @@Fooza05 no, I’ve just lost faith.

  • @kapsize_8251
    @kapsize_82514 ай бұрын

    3:35 I am glad Thorin made that remark. Not enough people are talking about the seeding and putting legend-stage teams according to Valve rankings have tidied up the ramifications of the swiss RMRs. Sure, Furia complained about Complexity going to the legends stage when they went 3-0, but it all makes sense when looking at the recent track records. Compare it to the Blast Major where Faze was the lowest-seeded team of the entire tournament because they survived the RMRs in the last-chance qualifiers, instead of blazing through it. The butterfly effect from that seeding ruined all the match-ups in that major

  • @vedser
    @vedser4 ай бұрын

    57:46 LMAO true

  • @Hornnnnnn
    @Hornnnnnn4 ай бұрын

    "Is that s1mple's music?!" L0L

  • @lafarga2330
    @lafarga23304 ай бұрын

    The crazy thing about donk is he could have 0.30 less rating at the major than he had at katowice and still be cobsidered one of the best major runs of all time

  • @lankyhanky9772

    @lankyhanky9772

    4 ай бұрын

    I don’t think it would be considered any kind of major run

  • @lafarga2330

    @lafarga2330

    4 ай бұрын

    @@lankyhanky9772 a 1.40 rating at the major wouldnt be a good run?

  • @juanme555
    @juanme5554 ай бұрын

    8:15 Surprisingly, w0nderful will tragically injury his wrist due to an accident falling down the stairs!

  • @63alkash

    @63alkash

    4 ай бұрын

    Well, I just wish to see f0rest on the Major again

  • @ImaTip
    @ImaTip4 ай бұрын

    1:22:13 The flamie returns brother

  • @Altair11125
    @Altair111254 ай бұрын

    I keep hearing flamez in Paris and I am like what? flamez wasnt in Vitality at Paris Major, it was the Astrality version.

  • @Ansee7

    @Ansee7

    4 ай бұрын

    probably meant to say spinx instead

  • @elizabethmurigi1131

    @elizabethmurigi1131

    4 ай бұрын

    FlameZ was in Rio and Paris Major with OG. That's where Vitality scouted him

  • @Ansee7

    @Ansee7

    4 ай бұрын

    @@elizabethmurigi1131OG was not in the finals lol

  • @elizabethmurigi1131

    @elizabethmurigi1131

    4 ай бұрын

    @@Ansee7 I didn't say OG was in the finals. I just said he made a mistake because FlameZ hadn't signed with Vitality before the Paris Major. He came in during the player break to replace Dupreeh.

  • @stayhome4626
    @stayhome46264 ай бұрын

    Stats can be deceiving; one must consider the impact relative to the resources (flash setups , trade potential , hero rifles , all the strong CT positions) invested in the player. For example Elige back in Col is the player with all the resources , so his stats are a bit inflated (also he does play a lot against lower NA/SA opposition) On the other hand someone like Magisk back in Vitality had low resource allocation in his favor but he had such high impact , I was really surprised he was only 17th in the world according to HLTV .

  • @Altair11125
    @Altair111254 ай бұрын

    The mezzi issue is related to his inability to clutch rounds. Dupreeh and magisk were insane in that department, that is the main difference of this roster.

  • @BantonyCS

    @BantonyCS

    4 ай бұрын

    This doesn’t make sense on so many levels 😂

  • @Altair11125

    @Altair11125

    4 ай бұрын

    @@BantonyCS Start by naming one level.

  • @20puskinas1992

    @20puskinas1992

    4 ай бұрын

    Because of Mezzi Vitality won Copenhagen Blast.

  • @maisamhassani7389
    @maisamhassani73894 ай бұрын

    why does maniac look so smooth

  • @ViktorsVods

    @ViktorsVods

    4 ай бұрын

    because maniac is smooth.

  • @probelerpropro

    @probelerpropro

    4 ай бұрын

    You need to drink the blood of a newborn on a full moon👍

  • @luvhcchris
    @luvhcchris4 ай бұрын

    zywoo can knock him out in the upper bracket. And then s1mple can knock him out in the lower bracket and we all start winning 😂😂😂😂

  • @hockeybuzz555
    @hockeybuzz5554 ай бұрын

    Maybe I'm too high on MOUZ, but I've got them making it to the grand final and losing to FaZe.

  • @TYLERLOVESBMX1
    @TYLERLOVESBMX14 ай бұрын

    Why are we not talking about chopper and going deeper into spirits system? If it is chopper controlling the rotations and system then i think he should be in the discussion with these other top IGLs. Not to mention his fragging potential. I really dont think TS is just the donk show

  • @samgriffith8086
    @samgriffith80864 ай бұрын

    Thorin banger after banger

  • @m3rcked903
    @m3rcked9034 ай бұрын

    We need cloud9 +zorte

  • @szagii_9447
    @szagii_94474 ай бұрын

    major final is again a bo3, with mr12 it sucks even more

  • @MrJeanjean2009
    @MrJeanjean20094 ай бұрын

    Wouldn't Degster work on Cloud9? He's not the best awper but he'd be more than serviceable on that team I think.

  • @Fooza05

    @Fooza05

    4 ай бұрын

    Attitude problem described by many so idk

  • @MrJeanjean2009

    @MrJeanjean2009

    4 ай бұрын

    ​ @Fooza05 True, he still young though only 22, he could still improve.

  • @marrchy2682
    @marrchy26824 ай бұрын

    im going all in on donk tho. hes the best ever. when he came up in the cis scene he already was called the messi of cs. it was known. its just coming true now. and im sure that he is the greatest ever.

  • @elizabethmurigi1131
    @elizabethmurigi11314 ай бұрын

    mONESY hasn't re-signed with G2 so i don't see him staying unless G2 wins the Major. There's a world where he goes to Cloud9

  • @63alkash
    @63alkash4 ай бұрын

    Say hello to Gamerlegion

  • @jeremyjacobs3539
    @jeremyjacobs35394 ай бұрын

    VP will win the major again

  • @nikolascsgo
    @nikolascsgo4 ай бұрын

    NiKo is 1.22 for the year and all of his recent games have been exceptional this is now the second show in a row where they're implying that he's mid sure he's not top 2 but he's definitely within the top 5 in 2024 already lol

  • @AstroSully

    @AstroSully

    4 ай бұрын

    He's definitely returning to form. Without him helping m0nesy g2 wouldn't have made the playoffs at Kato.

  • @nikolascsgo

    @nikolascsgo

    4 ай бұрын

    @@AstroSully obviously, he even hard carried the majority of the lower bracket, I can't stomach the narrative that he's not still a top player in the world just because he had a rough initial period in CS2 which was mostly in 2023 lol

  • @bigdog5

    @bigdog5

    4 ай бұрын

    @@nikolascsgo every g2 game i've seen in cs2 has been niko trying not to james bond

  • @Frawt
    @Frawt3 ай бұрын

    No, they cannot.

  • @voidox
    @voidox4 ай бұрын

    bit off topic, but good lord the talent choices for the PGL major were awful... some good cohices for sure like Maniac, but no YNK? no freya/stunna and instead hiring Sjokz? just so dumb :/

  • @trennan8291
    @trennan82914 ай бұрын

    I think the coolest scenario would be vitality vs spirit and faze vs G2 in the semis, and then G2 vs spirit in the finals with G2 winning. We get to see zywoo vs donk, and in the end G2 come out on top so Niko and m0nesy get their majors and spirit are kept hungry and push themselves to improve even more. I say this all as a COL fan knowing that they won't even make playoffs haha.

  • @jangsta23

    @jangsta23

    4 ай бұрын

    Lame,n0ko will never get his major

  • @stayhome4626
    @stayhome46264 ай бұрын

    1:17:35 The M4A4 can't do 99 in 3 ever in any map , from any range or any combination of body shots , 99 in 4 is possible but the most common is 98 in 4 . The Ak can do 99 in 3 and The M4A1s can do 99 in 2 . Obviously excluding if shots don't go through anything before hitting the player like wallbangs for example .

  • @K0kEEE

    @K0kEEE

    4 ай бұрын

    Throughout different parts of CS:GO as they tried to balance the m4a4 and the m4a1-s there was a time when 99 in 3 was a common occurrence when using the m4a4

  • @ScT-
    @ScT-4 ай бұрын

    first

  • @mikestar7326
    @mikestar73264 ай бұрын

    why is everyone hyping Vitality, they won a tier to major and havnet done shit since then and changed half of the team jesus does anyone understand cs i bet you they dont make playoffs

  • @smoothbrain_cs

    @smoothbrain_cs

    4 ай бұрын

    To be fair most of the hype is behind Zywoo, being a top 1-2 player consistantly the past few years and Spinx being a rising talent at the moment. Just because they flopped out of kato doesnt mean theyre a bad team.

  • @smoothbrain_cs

    @smoothbrain_cs

    4 ай бұрын

    @mikestar7426 nevermind just checked out your previous comments on channel you are deranged have a good one 🙌🏼

  • @AstroSully

    @AstroSully

    4 ай бұрын

    Huh? Vitality won 3 Events after Paris lol. They were the #1 team in 2023.

  • @mikestar7326

    @mikestar7326

    4 ай бұрын

    you mean the events that no one cared about cs2 was around the corner, we are plaing cs2 now no csgo@@AstroSully

  • @mikestar7326

    @mikestar7326

    4 ай бұрын

    you mean when they face tier 1 teams they lose? and the roster changed please watch the games they win its spinx who carries and when spinx has a bad game they lose @@smoothbrain_cs

  • @mikestar7326
    @mikestar73264 ай бұрын

    wow the shiting on spinx is crazy he's the hard caring on that team when he does well they win when he does bad the lose cuz zywhoo does nothing, zywhoo doesn't get meaningful kills please go back and watch the games Jesus

  • @nickk4044

    @nickk4044

    4 ай бұрын

    And if ZywOo doesn't get those kills, they lose the game as well. He gets plenty of meaningful kills in early round that create space for the team and put the CTs on edge, forcing them to dump utility. You don't have to be in the circle jerk of ZywOo fans to recognize that he's useful to the team. I do agree, however, Spinx isn't getting a whole lot of recognition for how well he's been playing and how impactful he's been recently.

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