Woohoo 100K!!! Congratulations! The SPP is really cool. Might have to get some for making sanitizer.

@jimlippi4001

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah... Sanitizer.

@wookie45nz

3 жыл бұрын

I'd go ya halves on the shipping! Yummy sanitizer.

@wookie45nz

3 жыл бұрын

Can definitely send ya some dude!

@dennisyoung4631

Жыл бұрын

“…. or shellac thinner. The low-methanol stuff (that’s affordable) is no longer made…”

100k Congrats Dude, Thanks for all the awesome content.

Grats to the 100k, its great to watch our family steadily grow over the last years:) Thank you Jesse

Congrats on 100k!! I just told George the same thing, you both have been so needed on KZread for people getting into the hobby.. ive been watching since the beginning and you’ve helped me a lot! Diff in America as you know, but I got my alcohol fuel license in 2016 and have been chasing the craft ever since!

CONGRATS ON 100K BRO!!!!! What a amazing accomplishment.

Congratulations Jessie on 100 thousand subscribers! Well done mate!

Thanks for that - fascinating! food for thought ... look forward to your more in-depth exploration of the SPPs

Congrats on reaching 100k it's great to see both you and George reaching new heights!

100 K Subscribers Congratulations Keep up the good work

Every time I see your shop behind you there is more going on. I am jealous. I learn something every time I watch one of your videos. Thank you.

Congratulations Jesse on 100k Subscriber's!! That's awesome 😎

Hi Jessie congratulations on the 100 000 subscribers, I enjoy the channel keep up the good work

Ahhh, congrats on 100k

Congratulations on 100,000 subscribers. !!

Congratulations, 100k subscriptions. Interesting video.

Hey!! 100K Congratulations!!!!

Congratulations on having half the world subscribed!

Thank you for another kickass video.

@ 7:08 While experimenting with packing, I once poured 90ish abv back into a boiler that had hot 10% wash. The alcohol I poured into the boiler instantly flashed into vapor. I thought I'd give a heads up to folks, so they wouldn't make my mistake.

Happy 100.000 subscribers.

Hey Jesse, great experiment. Would like to see you test whether SPP compresses the heads and tails the way people on the forums talk about it. 100K, well done!!

ho Jesse I think that's part of why Genio stills get high ABV, SPP and look how long the column is there is another company using computers has the same thing. great work I really enjoy the channel

No packing for me, I like the flavor I get from grain. Congrats on the 100k, moving to the BIG TIME 😁 Have a great weekend !!

congratulations on hitting 100k subscribers

Congratulations with your 100k subscribers bro

Well done on the 100K

100k yes congrats bro

I'd be really keen to see the same run done again with scoria to compare as well. But I'm definitely considering adding a litre or two of spp to my column now.

Thank you for mentioning Poland. Yes, we watch your films here in Poland too. Greetings, by the way.

Congrats on 100K I take credit for 5% of those views lol I was checking those out thanks for giving them a run and reporting back. There is no suprise in the proof science explains that. I think there is something similar made out of copper I've seen browsing still porn , but I can't remember for sure I could be remembering wrong.

I can't believe I am seeing this video for the first time! How did I miss this awesome video?? Have you ever tried Raschig rings for packing?

Good to know. Thanks👍

Wow, 100k you must be doing something right. Congratulations.

Been using these quite successfully. be good to see the difference of power you can throw at it and the take off rate. They really do work well

I have so much "product" now ive stopped fermenting should be fluid for the rest of the year lol truly one of the best things i ever spent money on , payed for itself in 3 months ...ye i may have a problem lol

Just want to say great video and thankyou for somehow getting me into this hobbie as today I finished my vin run and sac run and am now ready to get my lil Chinese potstill working it's guts out 👌👍

Great info as usual. Thx. Would have loved to know after proofing them down how they both compared in taste.

@Tyresio12

3 жыл бұрын

The result could be interesting, as I guess it is possible that the alcohol used still contained some heads. In this case, they would probably more concentrated in the sample made with SPP. The better comparison would be with following procedure: discarding the first 30ml and then collecting the sample for testing.

@jttech44

3 жыл бұрын

He'd need to do a cleaning run with the new packing before it would be safe to consume, which takes time, and that's likely why he skipped it.

Great to see the still running again, personally it’s the distilling that I enjoy the most on the channel. Thanks for the comparison, it’s something I’ve been wondering about for a while but didn’t want to waste the cash until I was sure it was worth it. Ill be running the CCVM with SPP after seeing the proof now, time to get ordering from Poland. Thanks Jesse 👏🏻👍🏻. Congrats on 100k subscribers Jesse, awesome mate 🥳 🍻.

@Tyresio12

3 жыл бұрын

Can recommend ones made by Plipek and another brand - Henitom. They're a bit more expensive, but it's totally worth it.

@jock5656

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tyresio12 thanks mate really appreciated. Is there any difference in quality between the two or are they much the same? Do you have any links for that? If not no worries I’ll just google search for them and get ordering.

@jock5656

3 жыл бұрын

Looking at Plipek now, there’s both copper and SS SPP any experience with the two? Any preference? I’ve a 3 inch 1 x meter column that’s copper so I’m thinking of just sticking with the SS SPP?

@Tyresio12

3 жыл бұрын

@@jock5656 They're comparable, so just go with the cheaper of the two. On copper vs steel - some guys around here use exclusively steel ones and they claim they're fine with it. Others use for stripping 25cm height bed of Cu (to catch sulfury compounds) , separated from the rest - the steel ones (steel ones provide more theoretical plates per height), and for the second one steel only to get the maximum number of "plates".

@Tyresio12

3 жыл бұрын

@@jock5656 So for example for stripping: 25cm Cu, separator, 90cm steel, and for the second run 120cm steel.

Great methodology!

The best Polish producers are Plipek and Henitom. As some users tested, their packing had HETP of about 2cm (iirc) - so with 100cm of packing you're not only reaching the azeotrope, but you also have some "spare" theoretical plates for better separation of other compounds.

@Tyresio12

3 жыл бұрын

If you're looking for other producers, check if the packing is tightly wound and length should be as close to diameter as possible.

@HeartPumper

3 жыл бұрын

Hehe dzięki ;)

@jakubkuba4118

3 жыл бұрын

Hi I have Plipek one of the best in Poland, from looking this springs are a little bit to big inform your guy to make one like this a.allegroimg.com/s720/0365e1/8098c84a42b2968c819da6056fca

@wilhelmhelgaseth3605

3 жыл бұрын

@@jakubkuba4118 how much for 2 kg of your plipek? And do you ship to Norway?

@jakubkuba4118

3 жыл бұрын

@@wilhelmhelgaseth3605 I am not a producer only user ;) if you like to ask abut sell, this is email to manufacturer lipskitechmar@gmail.com

I have recently change over to spp myself and the difference is amazing.I was running a 1400'mm column with stainless scoures and was already getting azero at between 1/1.5 liters p/h during hearts collection.I'm now using a 950'mm column,still reaching azero but with a much cleaner taste and at about 2 liters p/h.One thing though ,spp is run differently than scourers,you need to run your column flooded with spp to get the most out of it,your test would have shown a even bigger difference if your column was flooded when using the spp.

@TPGMatt

Жыл бұрын

Hey mate, by "run your column flooded" do you just mean have it fully packed with SSP for the entire packing section vs half full?

@brycecampbell3005

Жыл бұрын

Have the column fully packed with spp,have a sight glass on top and run hard so the column is full of liquid just up to the sight glass so it is bubbling on top of the spp,you can't do this with other packing but it is the best way to run spp and works much more efficiently.

@TPGMatt

Жыл бұрын

@@brycecampbell3005 is there any test online I can reference that shows the exact difference between running it like this video vs flooded? I have just bought a custom 4” 4 plate still with 500mm extension and 95L boiler with 2 x 2200W elements. I’m wondering if I can get away without flooding and just having bubble plates below the packing section. Still seems like it will work as proven in this video.

@brycecampbell3005

Жыл бұрын

@@TPGMatt you can do it with plates.and a extension but just run normal packing and run normally,spp is only for a full column not plates,if you run a full column of spp and no.plates them run it flooded otherwise not much better than stainless scourers.

@TPGMatt

Жыл бұрын

@@brycecampbell3005 but this video proved that it was better? I’ve read on home distiller that SSP is significantly better than scourers

Great episode Jesse. Stupid question: Why has the trim on the right side of your bar never been finished? My eye always goes to it, lol.

Great video as always,congratulations on 100k subscribers,only thing i can see that might make a wery small difference is that you used the copper scrubs as pads to hold the spp in place,that might and i say might, dont take this as gospel help the spp run up the proof

awesome video.

FYI - Kegland now sell a few different sizes of SPP. For Aus/NZ distillers this shouldn't be hard to track down.

@markh1603

8 ай бұрын

Not much cheaper than wookie, although they're smaller sizes as wookie does 8mm.

@s2561828

7 ай бұрын

Got a link to their supply?@@markh1603

When I was distilling before the fires in 2019 destroyed my still I packed my column with copper scrubbies but I unrolled them so they were a woven tube which flatted down to about 3 inches wide. I then rolled them up tightly using 2 scrubbies to make a 2'' cylinder to fit in the column - tying them together with

@keninglis7060

Жыл бұрын

Some copper wire. This allowed me to get much more copper in the column than the way you used. Unfortunately I haven't been able to rebuild my still yet but viewing your old videos is getting me motivated to start again. Keep up the good work.

In general, SPP is great if you're going for the neutral spirit - with the same height, it will give you better separation of water and other compunds than scrubbies. But if you like the taste of grain, or you're making a fruit alcohol - just forget about it. It will just help you castrate the tastes you look after.

@Tyresio12

3 жыл бұрын

@Sheldon Robertson But why? If you're looking for tastes, just use no packing. Or something like scrubbies, with no or minimal reflux.

@jttech44

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tyresio12 It's sometimes beneficial if you're taking say a 6% all corn whiskey wash and adding a plate or two in order to get your barrel entry proof where you'd like it after a stripping run. It can also let you hit barrel entry proof (120-160) in a single run, so no stripping runs to worry about, which overall will save some time. Remember, the only special thing about a given packing is how efficient it is, SPP doesn't remove flavor better than anything else, it just takes less of it to do so.

@Tyresio12

3 жыл бұрын

@@jttech44 " SPP doesn't remove flavor better than anything else, it just takes less of it to do so" - for me this exactly means it removes flavor better ;) less required for the same effect = more efficient.

@jttech44

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tyresio12 Yes, however, your original reply held the implication that you cannot use it for something like a 1-run whiskey, which is not the case, you just have to use less of it. It's kindof a waste of money unless you're going for neutral though.

@Tyresio12

3 жыл бұрын

@@jttech44 And that's the point I can agree with.

So what was your "stopping" criteria for packing the column with just the scrubbies? As many as you could physically compress manually, or a certain weight/number? Did you try do a rough surface area calculation and try and get the same for each material?

Good stuff Jesse. I'm bought a litre of 5mm x 5mm x 0.3mm SPP From Russia, running in a 2" VM column with a couple of copper scrubbers It has excellent thermal mass, and the take off speed is around 1.5L to 1.8L p/hr, compared to around 1L p/hr when packed with stainless and copper scrubbers. Great for clean neutral, it reaches 95%+ through entire run (scrubbers drop to below 90%) and it seems to be way better at compressing the heads/tails. SPP also works well in Boka columns with similar results. It is definitely worth spending the extra $ for the added efficiency. Cheers

@casiosinclair

3 жыл бұрын

Where did you get yours from, i'm finding it hard to find that size to NZ

@wookie45nz

3 жыл бұрын

@@casiosinclair I could probably make smaller size for you but probably no great improvement unless you had say 11/2" column.

Nice work on the 100k! I'm not quite ready to splash out on the SPP yet, where do you get your copper scrubbies from in NZ please?

You are a regular mad scientist my friend. It looks like an episode of breaking bad behind you. LOL

A note on reflux column height: In home distilling we need to avoid over doing the height. The average of a 2 or 3 inch reflux column is 54-68 inches. When you go up to 4 inch the column looses about 10 inches in height but that is made up by inside surface area.

@jimlippi4001

3 жыл бұрын

As a noob, that's why I bought the bubble plate column, pre-made. From clawhammer. I have nothing to say but good things. But then again I have nothing to compare it to.

@rocketsroc

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimlippi4001 You are on the right path. Don't waste time and money on packings. A good 4-5 level bubble plate column can't be beat.

@inglishill4028

3 жыл бұрын

Height = purity. Diameter = speed. What do you mean by the 4" loses 10 inches but is made up by inside surface area?

@rocketsroc

3 жыл бұрын

@@inglishill4028 When a reflux system has a 4" column, it's max height is reduced by 10" compared to a 2" or 3" column. For example, if a 2" column is say 42" high, a 4" column would only be 32" to have equivalent reflux. The 4" column makes up the difference by its interior surface area which is considerably greater than the 2" or 3" column. Hope that explains things more clearly.

@inglishill4028

3 жыл бұрын

@@rocketsroc OK. I would disagree although. I would say anything under 1.2mtrs would fail to provide azeo with ease. My reasoning being that it is this height (not surface area) that is needed in order to separate the fractions with a modicum of precision. :)

Did you use a precondenser with the “SPP”?

I'd expect you might get a flavor difference too. If you had ran the potato vodka through the spp, do you think there would be any residual flavor that worked well for the gin?

Yes! These!.. i want them

@wookie45nz

3 жыл бұрын

Will have more stock by end of week!

I've got a 20L 2" Boka, When using SPP I get 1.5L @96.5% per hour, using Steel Scrubs I get 0.5L @96.5% per hour, So for me, it's three times faster for same results. I only use this for Vodka and gin, I have a pot still for getting flavours through

Do you feel you lose the benefit of sulfite removal if you switch from no longer using the copper scubbies?

Hey Jesse -- which gaskets are you using? Looks like PTFE. Do you feel like it seals well? Thanks man.

What's the difference in sulfur or sulfides or whatever in the distillate from using copper versus the spp spiral things?

Jessie I have a fair question to ask you, why did you choose copper against stainless steel? By the way been really enjoying your videos!!!

How did the taste test go? did the lack of copper effect the finished product?

Gday jessie, recently bought a 35ltr brewzilla for all grain beer brewing, but what fo you think about purchasing the pot still lid and attachment for the unit? If i was to put a fermented whiskey wash into the malt pipe, would that allow distillation with solids? Im looking to get further into distilling as ive been running a t500 for a few years now

Hey Jesse, Can you do another video on SPP? I read it is meant to be run in a semi-flooded column (whatever that means) DAD3000 said it should be a "semi-aquatic environment" but again, i have no idea if that means i should flood the column or not.

Could you try the scrubbies, but point a fan at your column? I think that could be really effective if you can get a lot of airflow over your column.

Jess!! Can I ask a newbie question please. I’ve a 240v digi boiler with a alcoo engine column. My question being how do I change the wiring on bottom of boiler to add a voltage controller. So I can keep a rolling temperature as apposed to peaks and troughs boiling and switching on and off elements?? Thanks in advance brother.

Tell me you covered the 1st distillate after it came out.

Is the autofocus off for bench scenes? Looks like it’s focusing on the backboards.

Something like your copper scrubbies or steel wool can be a very variable packing material for fractional distillation. The number of theoretical plates is heavily dependent on how tightly you pack it. Pack it tightly, and it can be one of the best packing materials you can find. Pack it loosely and it can be absolute garbage.

I used to run a 2 inch column reflux still That used copper rings made from rings of 14 ga copper wire. I made the rings by winding the wire around a 3/4 in dowel and took the resulting coil and cut it with aviation snips, voila! I quickly had a pile of copper rings. I just dropped them into the column an achieved over 185 proof. admittedly, I generally ran my still very slow.

Would love if you could do a test on scoria too!

@user-pt9gr3fe1p

3 жыл бұрын

Scoria is great, sizing it is a bitch though and that first time you have to clean the rocks -_- I can't get azeo on mine though. 60mm, 4", pea sized scoria, floods at 3.3kw... have it over two 4" bubble plates, get about 93% :@

Would it make difference in pot still column?

Was the run time any quicker with the spp

Wether it was a bad idea or not. I used Goldilocks pot scrubbers back in the day

Gotta try them out. I actually tried some molecular sieves in a 24" column section a few weeks back and saw an 18- 20avb gain on the two runs I tested. Interesting how those things work.

@AdamMansbridge

3 жыл бұрын

Molecular sieves general need to be cooked dry between uses though, don't they?

@kevinbaxter2578

3 жыл бұрын

@@AdamMansbridge yeah, they do. I watched a few vids show pop them in oven for 30-45 min at 400°. Seems to work good. I vacuum seal them after they cool.

Can you make SPP using mig wire?

Yepp, that spp (or спн/spn) is widely used in Russia amongst the bokaw*nkers (reflux perfectionists) for at least 5 years or so. It came from the labs and not so cheap here, too. But the most of shiners do love the copper scrubbies. And I'm with them so far 🤘

Do you have any Pall-Rings that T500 come with? That thing puts out 92-94% the entire run.

Have you thought of doing bubble plates with refluxing yet???

@Tyresio12

3 жыл бұрын

What do you mean by this? Bubble plates do make use of a reflux. The liquid you see on working plates is the very reflux you mentioned.

The call out to the Reflux video Card @2:10-2:13 is not there.

I've been thinking about giving SPP a try, but decided not to when I couldn't find any US sellers. Thanks for your review!

@wookie45nz

3 жыл бұрын

I will be on Ebay soon but ya still got the high freight cost!

@LonelyRavenProductio

3 жыл бұрын

@@wookie45nz I understand. I'll keep an eye out, or feel free to message me! Looking specifically for copper.

@wookie45nz

3 жыл бұрын

@@LonelyRavenProductio I recommend stainless for strength and longevity and add a copper mesh at base.

@Tyresio12

3 жыл бұрын

@@LonelyRavenProductio You can ask some recommended Polish producers, I don't know however, if they ship to the US. Plipek pracowniametaloplastyczna.pl/ Henitom sprezynkipryzmatyczne.pl/

@wookie45nz

3 жыл бұрын

@@LonelyRavenProductio Shipping is about NZ$60 for 2l.

Now I'm curious as to why they work better. Is it because their made of stainless and it's thermal conductivity is way lower than copper's? Is it the higher thermal mass? A combination of both? Or maybe the shape? Would be great if the guy making these could make some out of copper wire of the same gauge and see how they compare.

@Tyresio12

3 жыл бұрын

Shape is very important (also ideally length should be the same as a diameter) as it is crucial to achieve a maximum area per unit of volume - the greater this parameter, the better the contact of vapor and liquid. But material is also important - copper SPPs of the same shape have about 3x larger HETP (Height Equivalent to Theoretical Plate, bigger is worse). So yeah, probably heat tranfer, density and who knows what that is dependant on material also plays a role.

Thank you so much .. off to buy Solid Bare Copper Wire contains 99.999% Copper and copper wire wrapped around a piece of wood ,,& cut to length !!!!!!!!!!!

Hey mate, fellow Kiwi here. I'm an avid home brewer who makes beer and cider and I'm looking to get into the distilling side of things. I have a Grainfather and was wondering if you had any opinions on using the Grainfather and the Grainfather distilling attachment which is the Copper Dome Top and Alembic Condenser? Would that be a good starting point or would purchasing a reflux still be bettter? I'm wanting to start by making gin and vodka for now.

@puddingwar5110

3 жыл бұрын

You may want to check out george over on Barley and Hops Brewing, he's a big fan of the turbo 500 setups. The dome top is more a pot still add-on not a reflux one.

@mikesterv

3 жыл бұрын

The Grainfather woild be a great boiler for a still. You can get the stainless lid for it and then add any modular pot/reflux column. Get a 2" bulkhead threaded adapter with tri-clamp ferrule and then anything will connect up to it 👍

@mattl7599

3 жыл бұрын

@@puddingwar5110 thanks! I’ll check it out.

@mattl7599

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikesterv thanks! I’ll do some research.

My column is similar. 1m tall. Half is packed with scrubbys and half marbles and I run 95% easy with my deflagmator

No link to pointed to video at 2:15

Thanks Jesse, bought some spp from trade me. I'd like to know the price of copper spp.

The true test is; run one in your copper setup and one in a stainless setup. BTW, in this test you're using copper scrubies in both cases. It was very interesting though.

I may have missed it but did you find a difference in rate of production between the two? Not so fussed about purity - get that with 12 stainless scourers - but rate of take off is 500ml/hr.

@jttech44

3 жыл бұрын

SPP will let you run faster, provided you've got the power to keep the column full and you don't boil anything over into the column. Usually about 30% faster, so you'd probably be close to a liter/hr. The other thing to consider is a larger column. a 3" column on a 15 gallon boiler will run much faster than a 2in column, provided you have the power to run it. In terms of investment, I'd start there and price it out before I sprung for SPP.

Aye bro where'd you get that mint shirt?

Nice job. i use solid copper tiny balls.

It looked like used used 4 copper scrubbies in the copper test and in the SPP test you used 3 copper scrubbies. So it wasn’t a test of one vs the other, but one vs combined. Although I have no idea how you would get the SPP to stay in the column without the scrubbies so that you can test one against the other. There is also copper SPP too. Not sure if that would be any different to stainless.

@wookie45nz

3 жыл бұрын

You could have a flat stainless mesh at base and delete the top mesh and would see a slight increase in ABV.

How full do you fill your column with the spp would like to try them i use copper mess right now

@wookie45nz

3 жыл бұрын

Fill right up to dephlag coil

I am from South Africa, how can i get spp

Can’t find it on TradeMe… but I found it on eBay .. they won’t ship to NZ … but I found some that’s made in Poland in the UK… so shipment is on the way also bonus because it’s copper SPP not stainless steel 🎉

Interesting comparison bro. I'm assuming the SPP likker had cooled to equal temp as the copper scrubber likker before you tested?

Wise choice to still include some copper in the column, even if you're using SPP. One, much easier to get it to not drop into your still, and two, running the vapor over copper tends to remove some of the sulfur containing compounds in the product, and you don't need much to accomplish that. For the class, you get sulfur compounds from stressed yeast, and stress is almost always happening with anything high ABV, like over 8% or so. It's not really a big deal, nor is it particularly avoidable, or even worth avoiding because including a little copper in your vapor path will sort it out with no real downside.

You can get also springs made from Cu. One of the best choice for column.

@Tyresio12

3 жыл бұрын

Stainless steel ones have better HETP parameter however. This, and lower price, are the main reason most people over here use Cu only as an addition, or none at all.

@lukaszbak5601

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tyresio12 I am just saying that he can buy springa made from copper because he compare stainless spring with copper scrub. It would be better to comper Cu and Cu, because of HEPT. All know that Cu could be used on entire length but it is point less and only 20-30cm is enough. We all also know that on copper potstil you may not use copper inside.

@Tyresio12

3 жыл бұрын

@@lukaszbak5601 100% agreed.

100k ! Cheers

I would have liked to see Ceramic Raschig Rings enter the competition.

100k and going up! congrats Jesse! Now, how many centimeters of SPP did you use? could be pretty expensive to fill in part of my 4'' column. Thanks for your video, very helpful! :)

@wookie45nz

3 жыл бұрын

I think Jesse used the whole 1.7 L SPP to fill the column.