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Batman is probably gonna pull out some Spider Spray Repellent and win

@adamquenano8563

15 күн бұрын

Apparently bug spray actually severely hurts Spider-Man since his anatomy has mutated into part Spider. All Bats would need

@HelperKaiGlenn

5 күн бұрын

​@@adamquenano8563 "Uh, actually spiders aren't bugs they are arachnids" 🤓

@user-cb9tj8gn3b

2 күн бұрын

Also spiderman is immune to toxins so good luck

I know you meant morlun, but hearing morbius be put on any multiversal level is hilarious

Knowing what you have read, the research done, and the growth you've had to not immediately see Spider-Man as an OP...I fully support and respect the verdict.

I guess I'll kinda go down the same route you did. Win-cons for Spider-Man: 1. Speed. I think it's pretty high in Spider-man's favor. Now this isn't to say Batman can't POSSIBLY react to Spider-Man. Cap's done it, Iron Fist has done it, Daredevil has done it, Batman can do it. But Spider-Man definitely holds an advantage in speed, so medium. 2. Strength is a medium-high to me for Spider-man. He's got some crazy strength feats that he's performed pretty regularly or pretty early in his career, and he's only grown further into his strength as he got older. Batman has taken some crazy blows before, but he's also got taken down by less more often than not. The ONLY way Spider-man is going to "one shot" Batman is if he's as unhinged/doesn't care as Superior Spider-Man, but Peter Parker is not going to do that. Remember, he beat the suit off an Iron-Man armor. 3. Spider-Sense. This one is medium, I think? It's weird how it would interact with Batman. The Spider-Sense is less of a win con and more of an equalizer, I think? Batman's greatest advantages to me in this fight are his equipment and his martial arts skill. The Spider-Sense will definitely reduce the effectiveness of either to some degree. 4. Webbing. I think this one is high. Should Batman be webbed, getting out is going to be pretty difficult for him. Characters stronger than even Spider-Man have struggled to get out of this. Now TAGGING Batman with this webbing won't be that easy, but it will be ridiculously tough for him to get out of IMO. 5. Smarter than batman - This one is funny. I'm not gonna lie, I do agree with this being a low. Don't get me wrong Peter is great at figuring things out on the fly, and I don't think Batman is ahead of him by leaps in bounds in this regard, but Batman IS the more intelligent fighter. If you want to talk science, I think there's a conversation for it (you should totally do an intelligence scaling video for Marvel and DC). Batman's Win-cons: 1. Superior Battle IQ - Medium. It's DEFINITELY in his advantage. Like I said, Peter is good, but Batman's entire career is based around this aspect regularly. I will say, I think that Kraven the hunter is very skilled in this aspect too, but comapring him to Batman vs Spider-man in this aspect is iffy because Kraven has intimate knowledge of Spider-Man's skill set and mentality that Batman wouldn't have. I only say it's not a medium-high to high because Spider-Man has shown that when he wants to, he can get close to this level. 2. Superior skill is medium-low to medium. I say this because Batman is THE skilled martial artist. His skill is definitely above Spidey's, but Spidey's taken down people who are just as good, or arguably better. he's gone toe to toe with BP, who has all the knowledge, strength and experience of every previous BP. Also, its important to note that you don't NEED martial arts to know how to fight, as we see with a lot of characters, Spider-Man included. He definitely holds the advantage in skill. 3. Gear is a medium to high I think, maybe high. I think Batman's standard equipment is much better than what Spider-Man has and he has a LOT. The only thing that stops me from going to HIGH is just that his standard gear is just not that crazy, and most of it relies on exploiting a weakness. 4. Auto-counter Spider-man. Low I think. Don't get me wrong I think Batman could figure him out pretty fast, but not that fast. But Spider-Man is still a human being lol, it's not like Batman has to find some special kryptonite like weakness to figure out. It's really just deducing his skillset and abilities, and he could do that pretty quickly. 5. Prep is a low I mean, technically he could just HellBat Suit or use Failsafe. He could set up the city and create prep. But its a 1v1 standard fight, so his prep doesn't matter. If it was prep and advantage towards Batman, yeah its high. Even if you give Spider-Man prep you can kind of say its medium high, but prep doesn't matter in a random encounter standard fight. For me, Spider-Man is taking this with a comfortable edge. Spider-Man takes an advantage physically pretty comfortably to me. I also think that his own training, unique fighting style, and Spider-Sense kind of close a lot of the gaps that Batman would have in a fight, I.E. equipment, skill and intelligence. It's less to do with Batman not being great in those areas and more to how much I think Spider-Man's skillset reduces those advantages while retaining his own. I don't think its a STOMP in standard, in character conditions, but I do think Spider-Man is clearing him and then sleeping it off after. This a fair video. I used to debate Captain America vs Batman for HOURS with my best friend growing up (I side Cap 6/10), and this topic really reminded me of that, even if it was Spider-Man instead of cap lol. Street level tier characters are always a LOT less clear to debate about as opposed to Heralds and universal to multiversal characters, and that's part of the fun.

@MuhammadAli-xw4yc

17 күн бұрын

You saying this was pure bad ass " but I do think Spider-Man is clearing him and then sleeping it off after".

@wingsoffreedom3589

3 күн бұрын

Solid take but I would like to add in that Spidey training in way of the spider remains canon and he used it while not having spider sense to successfully beat over a dozen other Spidermen from the multiverse meaning his skill level allowed him to go toe to toe wth people on him own power level so no speed blitzing who also have access to precognition that feat alone would require spidey to be around robin's martial skill level at a minimum maybe even Jason's Red Hood add in his precog and his reflex speed being 40 times faster than a baseline human yea he takes it in a fight 7/10 even without super strength.

@NumaxNinja

11 сағат бұрын

Dude Batman is definitely smarter and it’s not close and Batman slams

@NumaxNinja

11 сағат бұрын

@@MuhammadAli-xw4ycBatman wins 7/10 times😂

@PokedexHolderBlack

9 сағат бұрын

@NumaxNinja Mm disagree. Batman definitely has more resources, but as far as scientific feats and intelligence goes? The gap isn't really that big, if scientifically it's there at all. Tactically? I'd give it to you tho.

I think Batman is fast enough to intercept Spider-Man, but not repeatedly. In other words, he could counter the first strike, but the Peter would counter his counter and eventually win (especially with the webs).

@funnyguy4405

16 күн бұрын

Batman can literally keep up with Deathstroke who’s consistently fast enough to tag speedsters, Wally West included. Batman himself has moments of tagging speedsters & keeping up with others that have done the same, like Captain Boomerang. Hell Batman has kept up with JL tier threats like Spider-Man’s kept up with Avenger tier threats. The speed gap is not as far into Spider-Man’s favor as people think

@zane4575

16 күн бұрын

​​​@@funnyguy4405What a ridiculous take. Until SC writers give Barman a recognition as being somewhat superhuman, Spiderman curb stomps him in every single encounter. If you want to use Batman's high end feats, ie PIS, fans can use Spiderman's such as knocking out the Hulk and beating Firelord, a Herald of Galactus. There is no comparison.

@logicalslime1780

16 күн бұрын

@@zane4575in the comics Batman has been shown to constantly counter and dodge attacks from people way faster than Spider-Man unless you think the flash is slower than Spider-Man in which your completely wrong

@josephdent6825

16 күн бұрын

@@zane4575 writers has been telling us since the 40’s that Batman is lowkey a superhuman. And has been superhuman stuff since then. Don’t need any more evidence than that unless you want them to confirm he’s a Metahuman because it has been mentioned

@Dinoman-mo7mt

16 күн бұрын

Hey your the Injustice and Mortal Kombat guy

I like how you made this as fair as possible giving both characters a chance on how both characters could win.

This is awesome man. Dr. Goon just out here trying to make enemies with battles like this one. It’s like running for President, no matter who you choose, half the people hate you.

The winner is so obvious that I am shocked people are still arguing about this.

@SpidermanandhisAmazingFriends

10 күн бұрын

Yeah, it's so obvious. Everyone can see who that is😂

Spiderman wins .. He's smarter,stronger period 🤣

That Bat-mite thing is so interesting to me. Makes me question were is the line is between what Batman can do on this own vs what Bat-mite is actually helping with.

@moonknight4053

16 күн бұрын

Batman wouldn’t be as lucky if batmite was there

@NMbones98

15 күн бұрын

​@@moonknight4053true because batmite screws up alot

Can’t thank you enough for this in depth analysis of this iconic and most talked about DC/Marvel match up.

Holding back shouldn’t really extend to speed/combat speed/reaction time in my opinion. Like if I’m fighting a sloth and I’m holding back, the sloth will still never hit me. So it’s weird that super fast characters get hit by significantly slower opponents (like flash getting hit by Batman for example)

Spiderman vs batman is just one of those intense debates like Sonic vs mario or Godzilla vs ultraman, superman vs Goku. Debates like these will never die. Anyway solid video. 👍

2:40 Superior was actually a one shot difference weaker than Peter even when the latter was weakened. 6:33 and 7:35 while the spider sense could he argued to not be that consistent the same could be said for Batman’s prep time as that is also not as consistent as people hype it up as. Plus you could also say the same for Peter as he can punch Doctor Strange in the face as superior and beat characters with power cosmic which give them cosmic awareness and precog. Also 7:42 Peter has gone against Madame Web who also has insane precognition which literally tells her the truth and all possible outcomes to the point it is basically fate and Peter when he lost his spidey sense couldn’t even be touched despite him lacking his precog and Madame Web also being a gifted martial artist in her own right. 8:00 Spider-Man has broken out of his own webbing and webs from other characters that are stated to have stribgwr webbing than his own like Venom and superior not to mention his own villains have broken out of them like scorpion which Peter has over powered anyway. 10:40 I think Peter is a better scientist/inventor but Batman is just smarter at everything else. I do think Spider-Man has way better arguments tho and should win mid diff at most. 12:16 I don’t why you even brought this up for Batman but not Spider-Man even though Peter has beaten characters like Task Master who are peak humans that use prep time against the avengers and have a large arsenal of gadgets or how green goblin basically has similar gear to Batman and Peter consistently whoops him anyway? If you want to use comparative/parody character scaling, then it should go to both. Also Peter has also dealt with gods/demons. 15:50 wouldn’t Spider-Man’s gear (webs) just negate Batman’s gear. If you want to use cosmic level scaling for Batman’s gear then the same should be done for Peter like the fact he could make web shields to protect him from Thor’s hammer swings, or how it can hold Hulk, The Thing, Carol and Hercules etc. I think Peter’s gear while not being as numerous as Batman’s is very potent especially if using herald level scaling similar to how you used with Batman 17:10 This never made sense to me as Spider-Man has fought the claw and Hobgoblin whose gear was so potent it made Peter bleed from his ears but he still trucked through. Also the guy has taken nukes to the face which imo are probably a little bit brighter and a little bit louder than a couple of flashbangs…that’s just me tho. Batman vs Daredevil is a lot closer than people think. Captain Forest did this video way better

HERE WE GO!

i thought u werent making any more versus content? well either way, im happy ur doing it

Bro how do you not have hundreds of thousands of subs at least? When I was found your channel I assumed you have crazy number of subs coz of how good your videos are. When I looked at the actual number of subs I was shocked. You are crazy underrated

@DocGoon

17 күн бұрын

I appreciate that!

@gotanygrapes2471

17 күн бұрын

This comment is crazy underrated.

@RetroMagnus761

16 күн бұрын

Because his scaling is trash lmao

@DocGoon

16 күн бұрын

@@RetroMagnus761 ah, thank you retromagnus! I hope to be as elite of a scaler as you one day

@heisenberg2712

16 күн бұрын

@@RetroMagnus761 How so? Make a proper argument

With or without prep time, Bats will have a very hard time getting around the spider sense. Even if he manages to get past the spider sense, if Spidey decides not to hold back, Bats is in serious trouble.

Let’s go another upload

For me, there are a couple of things I'd change when talking about each character's advantage. 1. *_The Spider-Sense wincon changes from low to a medium-high grade_* I say this because you're just treating it as precognition, but it is more than that. It is also a danger sense which can move Peter's body automatically when he's in a life or death situation. Sure, I won't disagree that lesser characters have bypassed Spider-Sense before, they sure have. But the problem with comparing it to the likes of Superman and Wonder Woman is that Spider-Sense is an extra sense in addition to all the regular human senses, which they don't have. Sure Batman has sneaked around Superman before, but Superman's super senses are still rooted in the five human senses: super-vision, super-hearing, super-smell, etc. Spider-Sense is something entirely unrelated to all of those things. There was a Batman/Daredevil crossover where Batman got past all of Daredevil's human senses but could not get past his Radar Sense which is once again, a sixth sense. Spider-Sense will work the same way. 2. *_Batman's gadgetry would be a medium grade threat_* The issue here is that we're talking about Batman's regular set which he uses to patrol Gotham, not his higher-tier set. I definitely agree that Batman's regular arsenal has weapons which could prove lethal to Spider-Man, but the issue here is that Spider-Man has survived against people who carry higher-tier gadgetry on the regular. People like the Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus are all about their tech. And since they are superhuman and face superhuman opponents, it stands to reason that the tech they carry should match the level of their opponents.

Spider-Man still wins in my opinion. Giving Batman every benefit of the doubt it is the only way I see him coming out of this. Without prep.

Nice video on Batman and Spider-Man.

Good content , keep up ❤

Hey Dr Goon! If you had an avatar what would it look like?

Best answer I’ve seen love the break down

We need an analysis on Sentry vs Superman

Bug spray GG Jokes aside im glad someone finally did an in depth analysis and basically showing everyone this battle isn't the stomp everyone thought it was leave it to goon to deliver💪🏾

great analysis but one little nit pick is that you said morbius but his name is morlun

@DocGoon

17 күн бұрын

Omg I did!

Man I got so hyped when I saw the thumbnail of this video. You cooked with this one! I’m 50/50 with who wins personally but I do lean towards Batman a bit because of his gear, intellect, skills, and the fact that a lot of people downplay him! Usually, the main one that people say that it’s Spiderman’s victory is because of the Superior Spiderman feat with him punching off Scorpion’s chin.

i got a spiderman video on Instagram and went to YT and this is the first thing i see

Been waiting on this one can't wait.

It’s your choice and I’m sorry if I offended you but have your ever thought about making a video about which anime/manga villain would great Spider-Man villains or which anime/manga villains can fight each one of his rogues(individual) to the point it will be a close fight?

@user-xc1vb2hh3p

17 күн бұрын

Which Anime/Manga villain would great Spiderman villains? 1) Donquixote Doflamingo (One Piece) 2) Gaara (Naruto) 3) Tomura Shigaraki (My Hero Academia) 4) Crona (Soul Eater) 5) Meruem (Hunter x Hunter

@cesarvictorino4301

17 күн бұрын

@user-xc1vb2hh3p: Are you sure and why?

Agree or disagree with the conclusion, these well thought out, well reasoned videos are great

Growing up is realising that the phrase "Random bullshit go!!!" belongs not to Moon Knight but to Batman.

You’re a hero for the culture. 🙏

It could honestly go either way but Spider-Man would win a majority of the fights. Batman is one paranoid bastard so he'd keep a close eye on Spidey and learn how he fights. He probably wouldn't know about Spider-Man's spider-sense at first though but he's pretty intelligent enough to catch on. Even then it's gonna be highly difficult because even Iron Fist, who mind you is one of the best fighters on Earth, said Spider-Man is almost untouchable because of his spider-sense so it would be near impossible to tag him. And he's also developed his own fighting style called the Way of the Spider which granted Batman can counter but the problem is that Spider-Man is still IMMENSELY strong. Batman's advantage over Spider-Man is his intellect, gadgets, and superior combat skills but again Spider-Man is no slouch since he's also very intelligent and is a quick thinker during a fight. Batman would have the same view towards Spider-Man as he does with Superman if they fought. In that even though Spider-Man is very powerful he's a good person and holds back against his opponents while Batman is not. He knows that any point Spider-Man could very easily kill him but he won't. He will use that against Spider-Man to incapacitate him at the very least, albeit briefly.

Over 300 likes? Bet! Need that

No doubt Spidey wins cuz he needs no prep time to come up with statergy he can roll with it on the way.even thought batman got prep time Spidey can overcome any traps bat has but not easily when he has spider sense he needs to figure nothing.

I think the utility belt point is a little weird though because most situations you brought up he knew he would be dealing with those type of threats prior in most situations I think were talking Batman on his normal Gotham patrol like bro Batman don’t be carrying that damn lantern ring around and you know it 😭

I got Batman winning because the physical stat difference isn’t that big besides lifting strength bats and Pete both dodge light speed attacks regularly both take hits from the heavy hitter in there verse but I give Batman an edge because of his seismic gauntlets which let him heavily hurt and injure the likes of Superman and also Batman had the obvious skill gap so all in all I got Batman winning mid to high diff

@moonknight4053

16 күн бұрын

Physical stats are huge, do u really think Batman is some kind of planet busting fighter? Even slurry fighting fire lord is just bad writing. Spider-Man is probly a country level threat at best or even higher

@Perbweezy

16 күн бұрын

@@moonknight4053 only lifting strength spidey has the gap but when it comes to ap and durability and speed they are around the same

@moonknight4053

16 күн бұрын

@@Perbweezy There not bro, yfv just said batmans attack potency is medium for Spider-Man. How is that close?

@Perbweezy

16 күн бұрын

@@moonknight4053 you talking about what dr goin said? He had his opinion of it and it’s not law. I think he downplayed bats ap like Batman has a lot of op gear like his seismic gauntlets in “Justice league 2018 #45 he was able to punch Superman so hard he sent him flying down as a blur also in “Justice league 2018 #38 he was able to make apex lex bleed the same lex that was boxing with the rest of the justice league And we see in “justice league 2018 #43 he can alter the charge of his gauntlets to hit harder and in “deathstroke 2016 #32 and 34 slade stated that the gloves were designed to help him fight Superman and Superman type beings and that’s just his shock gauntlets that’s excluding his explosive batarangs, nth metal batarangs, knock out gas pellets, sonics, tranquilizer darts, hardening foam ect.

@moonknight4053

15 күн бұрын

@@Perbweezy It doesn’t have to be law, I’m not a fan of him as he’s literally tried to block me from watching videos because I’d ask solid questions or tried counteracting what he’d say in videos. But he’s right in saying spider is just alot stronger, Batman is strong too! It’s just facts at this point, backed up this guy. Him and Chuck are one of the best powerscalers on KZread, I’m with Chuck though cuz he’s never spoken down on me or tried to block me from commenting. Batman is definitely a city level threat, probably more, cuz yfv said his punches would annoy omniman if they fought.

No hard feelings but I have to disagree with you video spider-man spider sense helped pete sense dr strange astral form and help him sense disturbing of space and time I think his speed will be too much for bats especially his spider sense on top of that sure you said his strength is medium but the fact you put spider-man spider sense on low made me concern

@emmanueldedmon6690

17 күн бұрын

Not a bad video

@RandomName12345

17 күн бұрын

I think the reason he gave it so low because of how many times people have directed just ignored it and the fact Batman has fought pre cog on faster foes

@emmanueldedmon6690

17 күн бұрын

​@silentwraith2931 I guess at least you cool and not attacking me lol

@robertrainford6754

9 күн бұрын

@@RandomName12345plot armor with Batman should be ingored.

@RandomName12345

9 күн бұрын

@@robertrainford6754 no? If plot Armour is ignored then half of Spider-Man upper feat are also ignored And it’s not really plot armour, Batman just isn’t a human ( he’s feat are the reason people view any comic character as strong as he’s a “human”)

I think he put it in a setting where their both not in their home and they both just counter each other where it’s logical to assume Spider-Man would be holding back the difference with showing the high end feats is both characters have been defeated by people who have way less strength feats like Spider-Man’s and the punisher who is not known as super human so he definitely did this logically and people are just trying to cope don’t worry goon you make the right choice

but the Peter would counter his counter and eventually

A tough decision and a bold conclusion considering both fanbases are passionate, however the like goal video will be easier pick a winner imo batman beyond beats miles morales the suit closes the gap in speed and strength, has flight all of bruce waynes gadgets with 50 years time difference and has invisibility like miles, does terry have Bruce on comms in this fight?

@willjohnboy

17 күн бұрын

Edit: to pick a winner

I see alot of ppl mention superior spider-man but Should we even mention The Batman who laughs who went across THE MULTIVERSE literally slaughtering heroes left and right who clearly “outclassed” him keep in mind some of these heroes are far superior to Spider-Man himself……just food for thought

@polketex5043

17 күн бұрын

Yeah not to mention Batman Who Laughs went out his way to kill them in twist Joker type of ways like with Superman making him suffer with his family instead of just putting a kryptonite bullet in him like he did with the Bat Family.

@_Legendary__

17 күн бұрын

He had prep and the element of surprise. Not nearly the same thing. Plus it was off panel. The BWL was successful because they never saw him coming. Not because he’s just so much above them.

@is0ocrazy537

17 күн бұрын

@@_Legendary__ he was still face to face with them in the moment and he clearly still got the upper hand ur downplaying the fact that he literally had ways to kill these overpowered heroes that are constantly fighting gods even if it was off panel by the end of his story he still gets it done also not to mention he found a way to actually swap bodies with Mr manhattan like what…..Mr manhattan is literally so op he could literally kill any of the marvel heroes with a thought in time and the batman who laughs was at the very least able to keep him unconscious while he swapped bodies keep in mind this is a man who can literally erase you from existence.

@_Legendary__

17 күн бұрын

@@is0ocrazy537 it’s not downplay, it’s blatantly what happened in the story. He had the element of surprise. Nobody saw him coming, hell nobody even knew he turned until he killed the bat family. He even got the jump on his own version of the JLA. If Batman would have announced his arrival to the multiverse then they would have absolutely stoped him and he knows that. That’s what made him so dangerous. A joker infected Batman with the drop on you could beat almost anyone. So it’s not out of the question or surprising that he basically snuck all those universes he took over.

@is0ocrazy537

17 күн бұрын

@@_Legendary__ you do that after he killed Superman he wasn’t even wearing his Batman outfit anymore so he didn’t have the drop on them especially after the heroes within the universe found out heroes were dropping dead and he was always in the middle with no word to the other heroes on what actually happened so obviously after the league and maybe a few other heroes they would find out but when they did. It didn’t change the outcome of the situation at all and even tho they didn’t show they really didn’t need to because obviously the other heroes would eventually grow suspicious of him

My personal head canon is that similar to task master Batman has trained in chi to have to accomplish temporary super human abilities which explains some of his feats.

Damn all that for Vergil from dmc Slaps both but yea other then that cool video

even though pick spiderman but can go anyway even batman can win just as spiderman can but one thing people forget spiderman spider tracker but is close conflict

How about Batman's vehicles, his car and jet, he could call them to help in the fight.

People talking about Spiderman prep time like he doesn't even have the best prep time in Marvel. Doctor Doom and Black Panther have better prep time than Spiderman. His prep time is like him making a Spider bug to temporarily mess with Iron Man's suit until he gets it off😂

@Elnegro..

16 күн бұрын

Spider-Man's preparation time is underrated. He creates gadgets that enhance his abilities, though he often relies on raw strength and speed to defeat his opponents. With adequate prep time, Spider-Man can level the playing field against Batman, making it a fair matchup. In such a scenario, Spider-Man's superior strength and speed would allow him to overpower Batman.

@laughslapproductions4690

16 күн бұрын

He has to work for a living, Unlike Bruce. So very limited free time/prep time for Peter.

@Zhello79

16 күн бұрын

One of his preps got him caught up with Tombstone

its an age old battle of Youth & Strength vs Experience & Technique

@LimitedEye

15 күн бұрын

No the hell it’s not lmao if anything Spider-Man has had more experience than Bruce will ever have

@wingsoffreedom3589

3 күн бұрын

Technique doesn't matter against speed even tagging speedster is a speed feat itself not a technique feat.

you don't know Spiderman who literally dodges bullets like nothing .

I think with the gas pellets of smoke and fear toxins sleep and paralyzing he could one up capture or kill the web head,great job and keep up the great work

Where would you have Batman in terms of being smart in Marvel though? What’s your top 5 Marvel and DC?

@polketex5043

17 күн бұрын

If Batman was in Marvel he would be like top 3 but Marvel intelligence scaling is horrible because after Doom and Reed being 1 and 2 almost anyone can be 3 like Thanos Banner Stark etc and if you make a good list Peter probably won't be in the Top 10 even though he has lots of statements that back up his intelligence but DC isn't as bad with their intelligence scaling.

Prep time, no prep time, the web slinger wins

I think if its an Angey Spidey than Spider-mans victories become a lot more intangible

the big game changer in this battle is spidey sense whatever batman throws at pete he can sense it before it happens and is fast enough to anticipate it plus pete is no slouch is genius level hes one of marvels "Big brains " im going to say even more so than bruce imo spiderman always wins

@SpaceVENTING

17 күн бұрын

Spider Sense isn't uncounterable and Batman has contended with many beings who have insanely fast reflexes and precog as well. I don't think Spidey sense is that much of a game changer to be honest.

@wingsoffreedom3589

3 күн бұрын

Yes been even at it's worst spidersense will counter 80% of attacks at minimum if you look at your average fight spidey will dodge 5 to 8 attacks before one lands and he will hit the enemy 3 times more than he gets hit that ratio just goes up when he is mad.

Yo NGL I think Batman vs yujiro needs to be addressed because people think yujiro just out right stomps Batman and that he has better combat feats it's absurd lol

@isabelpage5950

10 күн бұрын

Depends which Batman comes to work that day.

@NMbones98

10 күн бұрын

@@isabelpage5950 comics Batman cooks him bro

@isabelpage5950

10 күн бұрын

@@NMbones98 Depends what the plot demands. Batman can be wall level to Outerversal depending on who's writing him. It's DC and Marvel scaling is pointless. Because there's anti-feats, feats, scaling, and lore to basically put them anywhere. So the winner is whoever the guy writing Batman thinks would win.

@NMbones98

3 күн бұрын

​@@isabelpage5950Consistently Batman has shown more feats that put him above street tier we aren't going there bruh

@isabelpage5950

3 күн бұрын

@@NMbones98 Batman should consistently scale to city block level, which is already stupid.

Let's remember how spidey is described. He's faster than anyone stronger than him and stronger than anyone faster than him. Barring your typical planet buster those this is generally true.

What about spiderman(no holding back) vs wonder woman

Ima need a magic user vs battle next mordru vs loki god of stories

😮😮😮 the goddamn Batman 😲😲😲

Yea I love spidey fr but without bias Batman would win.

At this point I don’t really care who wins I’m just gonna watch everyone argue.

Do you still think Cap beats Bats?

Questions: whats about spiderman martial arts? Also what about spider man's gear?

Spidey sense may be more flawed than people acknowledge but you are under selling it if you were to take every fight comics shows and games and come to an average it's effective at least 80% of the time so any blow Batman lands will only come after missing or being blocked over half a dozen other times and spidey will not go down in one hit. Secondly spider sense is a sixth sense and is temporal precognition it judges future outcomes then relays that info to spidey so it doesn't matter if Batman has the most advanced stealth on the planet spider sense will still say you are gonna get hit in point 3 second from behind. It also reacts to abstract threats like telling spidey when not to buy something cause he can get it on sale or how to cheat at poker or the fact cameras and motion sensors are around and not to take off his mask. Something that advanced isn't that easy to counter it also auto adjust his aim when swinging without looking he literally has aim assist like a video game and it dodges for him when he's asleep. That's at least a medium advantage and completely rules out stealth attacks.

I need a doctor doom vs batman

yh no realistically spiderman is one shoting batman

@DocGoon

14 күн бұрын

Lol ok

Honestly I have Batman and Spidey equal with Spidey taking strength and agility I think everything else is a tie or Batman just out right takes it ap,gear,hax,biq,iq,skill,versatility through feats narrativly tho I got Batman winning since Spidey weakness is bug spray 😭

Could scale opm now with the new chapters

@DocGoon

17 күн бұрын

🎉

Batman could win if he uses the gadgets on his utility belt.

I’m biased as fuxx when it comes to Batman, so the bat will most def eat that damn annoying spider 🕷️.

To me Batman takes it 9/10, he's just too smart in my book and if needed he can even call one of his many armours/jets/batmobiles for help. Batman who laughs and all the dark multiverse versions of the metal series are a clear indicator that Batman has so many ways to take over the world, but he doesn't because he's the coolest dude 😎

Batman would have to blitz Spider-Man with something that disrupts Spidey’s senses and equilibrium, that’ll lean the fight toward Batman’s favor but won’t solidify. Spider-Man would deduce quickly that the belt is where most of his more dangerous tech is so he would snatch that away and web it out of reach. Batman would have to play defensively until he can get his belt back unless he can overwhelm Spider-Man with whatever tech he has that wasn’t stashed in his belt when it was taken. Batman is a 4D chess player vs spidey who is the science and math geek. I would say depending on the environment and how long Batman has to figure things out, would slowly tip the scale to his favor but out of the gate it’s all in Spider-Man’s favor of winning the 1v1. Especially if we went out of character and let’s say Green Goblin or Scarecrow did something to force Spider-Man to become blood lusted. Lets say Poison Ivy took Spider-Man under her control, it’ll be extremely difficult for Batman to deal with him but it’ll come down to not overwhelming Spider-Man but mainly trying to free him from her control.

@KingRumar

14 күн бұрын

Adding on that Spider-Man fought against Superman once before with a crossover comic (tho he admittedly lost) but it’s Superman. There was no prep time, just duke it out and they became fast friends

Imo I'd give it to Spider-Man 6/7-10 just because I think Peter has an overall better consistency. Batman's kit isn't something so uniquely alien to Spidey that I'd say he reliably beats him to me

I'll admit Batman can run it with the Marvel Street tiers however I can't see him Beating Spidey unless he preps and knows of him before hand.

@benreilly4886

17 күн бұрын

Also the characters that do well against Spider-Man, Frank Castle and Captain America? There's a panel of Spider-Man straight eating a hit from Punisher and it did no damage. And had him shitting bricks. As for cap he's been Oneshotted by venom taken over by carnage and Hydra Cap was stomped by Miles Morales. 💀

@DocGoon

16 күн бұрын

​@benreilly4886 discuss the next panel after that. Punisher horrified spiderman and rocked him so bad, spiderman had to go to the avengers for help against frank. This is why i said reading is important

@benreilly4886

16 күн бұрын

@@DocGoon Being a little disingenuous bro he used a grenade that I'm assuming isn't standard prep and just took Spider-Mans web shooters nothing to do with physicals as he already defeated punisher in a fight. Punisher was once grabbed by Spider-Man and launched in the sky and looked as horrified as you described Spider-Man to be. Reading is important.

@DocGoon

16 күн бұрын

@@benreilly4886 disingenuous? It was literally next page😅🤣

You forgot about Spider-man's Kung Fu-Fighting Style Way of the Spider.

@DocGoon

15 күн бұрын

He only used that once.

@ReverseFlashGalactusguy

14 күн бұрын

​@@DocGoon Yeah I remember seeing Death Battle use that as a pro for Spiderman in his fight with Batman. That's something that's always confused me sometimes they go off what's more consistent and other times they go with the best possible showings

Before watching I'd say spiderman high difficulty.

Spider-Man wins and I knew you was gonna try to give it to Batman 💀 regardless Peter wins I told you this was gonna be slight biased like you was in the comment 💀

@DocGoon

15 күн бұрын

Which part of the video did I show bias? It is lazy to just call people bias cuz you disagreed. Be specific.

@Whereis.jevonnxe

Күн бұрын

@@DocGoonI am being specific in base Spider-Man stomps every time you forgot to mention that Peter is faster stronger and way smarter than Batman for someone who quote on quote knows the character you don’t know anything about Spider-Man Batman is cool and I don’t take away from him but Spider-Man literally stomps bro Batman can’t win even if they get prep time Spider-Man will still win Batman is outclassed and out matched and even if we go off base Spider-Man has way more feats in base half the stuff Batman did is because of plot armor and yall use prep time as a cop out to be honest

@Whereis.jevonnxe

Күн бұрын

@@DocGooncause half the stuff Batman has done Spider-Man has already tanked for example we both know without plot armor Batman would’ve died so many times especially to bane after he broke his back

Batman never fought Midnighter

@DocGoon

6 күн бұрын

Midnighter said he didnt think he could beat Batsy, Batman also got the drop on him once lol.

Batman wouldn't fight Spider-Man he would hear about Paul and help Spider-Man cripple him.

Two questions. first, you didn’t say in the video but how tanky is spider-man? I feel that that is a big point that I wish was covered. Second, could you do a “Batman could/wouldn’t survive (marvel’s) New York. All in all, a great video I agree that the spider sense is overrated in this fight and the “hE WoUlD uSE PrEP-TimE” argument when it’s a 1v1 is stupid and disingenuous. I still favor Spiddy but that is probably just bias but agree that I could go either way.

@Artryom

13 күн бұрын

Spidey fanboy?💀

@Mr._Galaxywide

13 күн бұрын

@@Artryom you know there is a difference between preferring and liking one character more than another and being a fanboy right?

@Artryom

13 күн бұрын

@@Mr._Galaxywide Could have directly denied it or maybe ignored this but instead you ask a silly question?🤔

@Mr._Galaxywide

12 күн бұрын

@@Artryom “I Am not a spider-man fanboy” and clearly it’s not a silly question if you can’t understand basic fucking logic

@Artryom

12 күн бұрын

@@Mr._Galaxywide Whoa man, who grabbed your pantaloons and pulled them up to get them in such a bunch?🤔 Who are you quoting? Still just won’t deny it so we can leave this as me being wrong.

Batman is an amazing character,,,but the plot armor almost takes away from him,,, spiderman takes him soley based on the physical feats his powers allow,,edit idk batman is a superbad mf

@DocGoon

14 күн бұрын

Its funny seeing people say plot armor when 99% of events are perfectly explained🤣 I cant force people to read though

@tymoose8621

14 күн бұрын

That's fair,and hard to argue,,,I was hating

Bruce pulls out a check and writes $100million dollars to retire or hired Peter to work at Wayne industries, instant dub for everyone.

@DocGoon

15 күн бұрын

Fact

A Apiderman always beats Cap. Spiderman also stumps Kraven. Spiderman beat Cap and left his shield tied to a wall.

@DocGoon

16 күн бұрын

He doesnt always beat cap. Cap has multiple wins on him while holding back. Spiderman even compared an annoyed caps punches to nukes lol.

@christianrapper5

16 күн бұрын

@@DocGoon no, Cap doesn’t. The one supposed win people keep bringing up is when Spiderman left Cap with his shield tied to a wall. Spiderman is in a different league than Cap. Heck a more ruthless version of Cap couldn’t even beat Miles.

@DocGoon

16 күн бұрын

​@christianrapper5 yes, cap does lol. Cap rocked him so bad once spiderman was down and thought he got hit by a nuke😂 Miles washes peter. That venom bite one tapped amped carnage using Iron Man tech. Do not compare their AP😂

Everyone in the comments say batman wins and i want to adress this 1. Stop talking about his vehicles and gadgets he definetly doesn't always have on him most of the onea he has is to counter fighters of his verse and him "calling in vehicles" is not a random encounter like fights like these are supposed to be 2. Ive see a lot of smart guys get beat up in a fight to say Batman win followed by he's smart is dumb and is the reason we have him fighting people like flash in his comis who can; quote from comics "arrive before he was there" (so fast you got to an area before you were actually there) comics don't @me and speed being not that big of an issue means batman can beat the x-men like spider-man did? Or the fantastic four alone? Conclusion a random chance encounter would be in spidermans favor seeing how he's fought characters like HULK THOR taskmaster that can use any techniques from marvel that he's seen and spiderman has won even against a fighter like kraven who lives to prep for spiderman. I constantly see the comment section pulling out every win con for batman and not spiderman. Why would the webs be hard to tag batman? Spider-man has tagged electro with them why wouldn't he just overload peter in a RANDOM encounter? Hes not venom and there is no outside indicator of the spider sense or any precog batman would think he's fighting some idiot in a spider suit and the sense would render any stealth batman has irrelevant. Spiderman wins mid-diff

This went hard lil bro I ain't gonna lie

@DocGoon

17 күн бұрын

Thx G. Might format battles this way moving forward

No way this mf tell batman wins😂 Spiderman ap is faaaaaar powerful than batsy ap and dura He one shots and it's over Spiderman have his own fighting technique and gadgets are not new for spidey. And he have spider sense

Can you debunk king and queen lion he has horror takes on Batman it’s actually blasphemy atp

Did well against Firelord? Dude, spidey knocked him out

@DocGoon

13 күн бұрын

Name a few firelord wins that stand out to you, cretin.

@jrs131

13 күн бұрын

@@DocGoon 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 he's a herald of Galactus!! What, Galactus metamorphosizes his heralds into dweebs???! Lol The weakest herald is gonna be a planet destroyer

@jrs131

13 күн бұрын

@@DocGoon you have a dc bias, and that's OK. Just say so. Marvel is superior, of course, but you can like the also ran if you like! Lol

@DocGoon

13 күн бұрын

@jrs131 you failed to name a single one. I have covered marvel like 3 times more than dc, imbecile.

Ya'll Batman fanboys are drunk.Spiderman could literally knock Batman's head off his shoulders with one punch.

@NMbones98

15 күн бұрын

So can Deathstroke, Superman, Grundy basically any opponent with super strength not a good argument bruh

@JSun3000

15 күн бұрын

@@NMbones98 What's your point?Batman has never been punched by Superman using more than a fraction of his strength,Deathstroke isn't nearly as strong as Spiderman,neither is Grundy.

@sageoverheaven

11 күн бұрын

​@@JSun3000 Saying Grundy isn't is crazy. Grundy has fought Kryptonians and levelled city blocks using them as a bludgeons multiple times.

@afcomics7184

9 күн бұрын

​@@JSun3000you lost me on that Grundy bit pimp

@JSun3000

Күн бұрын

Yeah,I might be reaching on the Grundy thing...

Batman reminds me of dr doom

I've been in that last community post fighting for my LIFE so I'm excited to see what you think. EDIT: You've agreed with almost everything I said in those comments. I am honored

I'm sorry I don't believe batman always carries a lantern ring and a counter for absolutely everyone lol. How big would his belt need to be. Come on now you know you tilted this in batman's favour. I normally agree with your takes but this one is bollocks man aha.

@g.colvin2211

17 күн бұрын

Batman straight up has a Black Lantern ring in the back pocket as a contingency for getting killed; it’s in Death Metal.

@BigReuben97

17 күн бұрын

​@@g.colvin2211eh, he had to go get that & im sure he doesn't haven't 1 anymore due to DC rebooting after death metal for real

@g.colvin2211

17 күн бұрын

@@BigReuben97 iirc Death Metal is the opposite of a reboot; everything’s composite now.

@BigReuben97

17 күн бұрын

@@g.colvin2211 ahh OK. Got cha 💪

spiderman literally hangs with shang chi man, bare minimum hes equal to bruce. frankly, spiderman is just BETTER BATMAN. i still dont get how people vote for a less smart, unpowered planner type, over a smarter superpowered planner. theres literally nothing batman can do to a spiderman on a MISSION. if almost NONE of the marvel heroes can do it, and an ex herald of galactis cried and became a villain trying, batman definitely falls short. spiderman has been shown to a averagely react and hinder speeders, which base batman rarely does

I'm massive Spider-man fan but I agree Batman wins, mainly due to his character. He's just so intelligent and just so STUBBORN. His attitude is "I'm not losing." Spider-man is the type to lose then clutch up in the rematch, Batman is the type to let you think he lost and have you in his trap he planned before you got there.

@MuhammadAli-xw4yc

17 күн бұрын

You forgot his bs plot armour. Batman is a mary sue, broken, Even Iron Man ain't got shit on Batman. I love me Batman but he is literally Bruce Lee myth wise with all stats maxed out. When I was younger I really was a super Batman fan boy, But as I aged I realised how much DC had to give him to keep him relevant, the famous world's best detective bs, knows every fighting style bs, etc. This is why I preferred Frank Castle and Daredevil.

@ssadq

17 күн бұрын

@@MuhammadAli-xw4yc who gaf can u shut up

@dubialexander9802

16 күн бұрын

​@@MuhammadAli-xw4ycbatman has been the world's greatest detective and a master martial artist for like 40 or 50 years

@dubialexander9802

16 күн бұрын

You're wrong here. Batman loses first fights a lot more often than spiderman

@zane4575

16 күн бұрын

No fan of Spiderman who is familiar with Batman would give Batman any win. Plot armour is Batman's best friend and even that would be massively hampered due to Peter's spider sense.

Batman can defeat Spiderman with zero prep time and with Zero Gadgets. All Batman needs is Hand to Hand Combat. Alot of people are saying spiderman can win because he has powers. Powers that include enhanced speed agility and reaction time. The problem is in marvel and Dc any human who does simple martial arts can doge bullets, light speed attacks and swing from skyscapers with grappling hooks just like Spiderman can. Daredevil can do this, black widow can do it, black cat can do it. Batman is no exception. Batman doges light speed attacks, bullets, and swings from skyscapers on a daily basis. People have to understand that humans in comics are not like humans in real life. Daredevil and Batman have done Spiderman feats constantly with martial arts alone, no powers. So in all honesty Spider-Man has powers that can be matched by any human doing martial arts. He has zero advantage over batman. To make matters worse Batman battles meta humans all the time. So even if spiderman powers were useful (wich there not) it wouldn't matter. Spiderman has been beaten by, Tombstone, Ox, Fancy Dan, Monntanna, Kingpin, Black Cat, Silver maine, Silver Sable, Hammerhead and Daredevil. For gods sake daredevil has beaten black suited Spiderman. Those are TEN HUMANS BEINGS. Who have all beaten Spiderman, HAND TO HAND COMBAT. Its totally possible for spiderman to get beaten by humans. Especially a Human as skilled as Batman. Batman will beat Spiderman with zero weapons and zero prep time. All he needs is his martial arts.

I think it’s about time to stop calling Batman a peak human. It’s silly, I don’t care what statements have been made in the comics, I’m counting him as a superhuman.

@Artryom

13 күн бұрын

People don’t understand the concept of “Peak human” in terms of fiction adapting to the verse and as long as the other “Humans” are consistent with his own such as his protogés then technically ye, it is fair to call him a peak human. The pinnacle or peak of what a human being within said verse can achieve. 🤷‍♀️ Other humans can give him a run for his money with the right writer behind it, he has been taken down by Nightwing and others.

@zaynehancock3751

12 күн бұрын

@@Artryom the reason why I think peak human is a bit absurd at this point is the fact that he can not only react to ftl attacks but he can completely dodge them. Call it something else, this shit is fuckin retarded. Batman is cool because he’s supposed to be a human with no powers but it’s pointless to say that if he can damn near just do what all of the other people with powers can do and more. It’s so silly, he needs a retcon at this point.