The writing was on the wall, when you see 1 Mastermind struggle to kill 5 Cacodemons.

I still love the Spider Mama. One of the coolest monster designs ever, even if she isn’t too tough in combat.

@DrownedInExile

Жыл бұрын

To each their own. I found the SM a huge disappointment compared to the Cyberdemon.

@jasoneverly2902

9 ай бұрын

@@DrownedInExile its because her weapon is deadly on pointblank only, at 3 to 4 meters its bullet spread gets wider depends on distance

So the moral of the story is: nightmare stats do little for bosses, but they make normal enemies terrifying. What was most impressive was how all those cacos IMMEDIATELY focused on the center spider and brought it down in SECONDS. Their fire rate combined with the concentrated fire meant DEATH. See, the scary thing about the spider has never been it's raw damage; it's the fact that it uses bullets, which are hitscan. The barons, the cacos, the cyber, the mancies, they all have projectiles you can sidestep, but a chaingun? If the spider is on target, you're taking damage, period. Of course, that doesn't matter when you're one of multiple targets all raining death on it and stunlocking it into oblivion...

The Spider Masterminds fared better this time,.I think its mainly due to Cacodemons' high pain chance, they're incapacitated when hit with rapid gunfire.

The Spider Mastermind definitely needs an upgrade. I wouldn't be against Romero going back and upgrading enemies

@Tyrian3k

Жыл бұрын

It's not really necessary. The reason why the Spider Mastermind seems so weak is because she's far more susceptible to being stunlocked in this kind of scenario. Unlike a Cyberdemon, her attack has a wind up before she starts shooting and also is mostly for continuous, *uninterrupted* fire. A single shot of hers doesn't do much, but a single shot by the Cyberdemon can be quite deadly already and he keeps taking single pot shots with those even when it keeps getting hit. The thing with her is that it's hard to use her well and it can quickly go from "lol, oneshot ez" to "being turned into swiss cheese" with her.

@adambrown6669

Жыл бұрын

@@Tyrian3k yea pretty much, he has the hitscan attack too which makes him like a beefier version of the heavy weapons dude, which is by far one of the most deadly units in the game, the cyberdemon by comparison is pretty easy as his attacks are very easy to dodge.

Nightmare Cacodemons: all for 1, and 1 for all!

Definitely a match of "how to get stuck in the pain state" on nightmare. The pain chance is very low on nightmare but the cacodemons can fire at the incredible rate on nightmare that the chance becomes every possible frame. Nonetheless, a very entertaining video, thank ❤

The last of first cacos hit spider 2 times and other caco 4 times, what a great teamplayer.

I don't know what it is about the AI for Ultra Violence Spider Masterminds but it seems to take forever to chose a target and fire. It's like they are not designed to take on multiple targets. If it would just pick a target and spam it's attacks everything would melt. They have a Rapid Fire Shotgun fgs.

@ggn3

Жыл бұрын

That's kind of why she's pathetic as a boss. Her chaingun's only effective at targeting one enemy at a time and gets less effective the further an enemy is. In comparison, the Cyberdemon can slaughter entire small armies of enemies single-handed most of the time since it's aggressive attacking with its rocket launcher, higher HP, and the blast damage from said rockets can wipe out multiple enemies at a time or at least significantly damage them.

@Moleoflands

Жыл бұрын

The issue is the SM has a massive pain chance, so flinched wreck it

@ggn3

Жыл бұрын

@@Moleoflands I wouldn't call 15.63% massive as far as pain chances go. But against high rates of projectiles being fired from Nightmare Cacos, any wonder she's pathetic as a boss.

@PhoenixAutosportsExperience

Жыл бұрын

Of course it's not designed to fight multiple targets, it's designed to fight YOU

@CarbonRollerCaco

Жыл бұрын

@@ggn3 Nightmare isn't supposed to be "normal" play, plus you usually face her with very little help at most in the stock levels.

That activation distance on nightmare difficulty really makes a lot of difference, and the rate of fire

I love that Caco in the beginning : I'm outta here!

Nightmare Cacos are no joke! (Spiderdemons are though, at any skill level 😄)

Nice video. Liked and subbed 😁

Any monster, including the bosses, is designed against the player, not other monsters. Whenever you're not covered from this boss, you take damage and in turn, it has the hit points of a boss against your attacks. But if you go to E3M8 with the BFG, it goes down fast enough not to give you trouble, especially knowing how the BFG works. P.S. I'm sure they thought about arming it with a BFG or plasma gun, but thought at the time that it would be too deadly.

@CarbonRollerCaco

Жыл бұрын

What? No, the Cyber and Spider are immune to barrel/rocket/Arch-Vile flame explosion damage. The "guaranteed hit if not covered" thing only applies to melee attacks which are coded differently between players and monsters and even then have limited range in both cases, as well as Arch-Vile flames. The Spider just has a wide spread with her gun, especially because it fires THREE bullets at once with every burst-same burst as the shotgunner's attacks. And chaingunners are just quick to fire.

@Mihaisuta

Жыл бұрын

@@CarbonRollerCaco What you said has almost nothing to do with what I said

I'm surprised the SM actually won a few matches. Guess the big hitboxes of Cacodemons make them easy targets.

Cacodemons on nightmare sure shoot fast af!

Es interesante que en pesadilla ver que los cacos concentran todo el 🔥 hacia un solo objetivo

@CarbonRollerCaco

Жыл бұрын

"Hacia un solo objetivo"… not as punchy as in English :

Spider Mastermind's pain chance is quite bad. It takes about 1 out of every 8 shots to trigger a pain chance.

@CabezasDePescado

Жыл бұрын

I think it would be interesting to see the same kind of experiments but with the pain chance removed

Alt title: Angry tomatoes bully a giant spider on a chaingun

@thedkm-4894

Жыл бұрын

-tomatoes- *Cacodemons

flying tomat

@thedkm-4894

Жыл бұрын

-tomat- *Cacodemon

i think if the cacos were more spread out in the last 30 vs 5 they would have held up better. maybe if they were floating

6:15 best battle

Basically a heavy shotgun dude... Needs either armor to contend with, or twice the health.

Poor lovely Cacodemons. :((

The Spider Mastermind has such a high pain chance that it has no chance against nightmare stat cacodemons.

In a strange way I kinda get it. The spider mastermind is the BRAINS whereas everyone else is the muscles. When military rank is considered this makes sense. For instance I was in the service. E grades were the muscle and could easily whip any officer in a fight but the damned PAPERWORK they hit you with was a career killer! ... how do I know this lol

I'm just wondering why the Tomatoes keep converging into the center of the map.

Spider Queens vs. Floating Tomatoes

i think the real problem is monsters nuetralizing their own energy balls/blasts. monsters damaging themselves due to proximity.

@CarbonRollerCaco

Жыл бұрын

Object-based projectiles can't damage monsters of matching types. So Cacos can't get hurt by other Caco sparks. Still, that they block other sparks from passing is bad. That's what Nightmare's for, though.

Rare I root for Cacos, but 5 on 1 spread out nightmare was clutch haha

@CarbonRollerCaco

Жыл бұрын

"Rare I root for Cacos" :

@avalonjustin

Жыл бұрын

@@CarbonRollerCaco Cacos all day 🍅🥰

Seemed like no matter what the scenario here Mastermind was at a disadvantage considering they could also pain each other and cacos can't. Still an interesting fight to see nonetheless.

Cacodemon #5: adios amigos

C'mon flying tomatoes, you can do it!💪

@thedkm-4894

Жыл бұрын

-tomatoes- *Cacodemons

@absoultethings4213

Жыл бұрын

@@thedkm-4894 🗿

@thedkm-4894

Жыл бұрын

@@absoultethings4213 🗿

Why are the fireballs the wrong color?

It appears that much fire is waisted by agents neglecting to seek a clear firing line of sight. More assault damage is wasted on friendly fire than what hits the enemy. A minor improvement in AI might correct this.

Lightning tomato go brrrrrttt

@thedkm-4894

Жыл бұрын

-tomato- *Cacodemon

I'm surprised the mastermind took on 10 cacos and won? Her pain chance is way to low for a boss which is was 5% at least she would be much more dangerous.

lol in 3 vs that dude up the back probably did half the damage to his buddies

It seems like the main decider is the reaction counter. With Nightmare! forcing it to zero, and especially if the tomatoes are spread out, it massively shifts the balance against the spider.

@thedkm-4894

Жыл бұрын

-tomatoes- *Cacodemons

@trisar2146

Жыл бұрын

@@thedkm-4894 Astral dreadnought heads if you really want to be pedantic.

@thedkm-4894

Жыл бұрын

​@@trisar2146 Bullshit! that not their official names, so grow up!

Apparently the center Caco in the first matches couldn't take the Spider's gaze and tried to run away. Real good friend there. Or maybe he tried to fight with hole products. :

Cacodemons are cats, right?

Nightmare (fast monster) 1.4 very good.. 1.4 .4

Cocodemons wins

Spider mama is really pathetic 😐