Speeding Up The Drying Time-Oil Based Finish

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A friend of mine asked if it was possible to speed up the drying time on an oil based finish. Today I did an experiment to find out if it was possible and if it would be worth the effort.
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  • @GaryLamb2020
    @GaryLamb20205 жыл бұрын

    You really should be on radio. Your voice is amazing!

  • @silvercat5309

    @silvercat5309

    5 жыл бұрын

    Chris Cute Lol,your personality is great.

  • @CurmudgeonExtraordinaire
    @CurmudgeonExtraordinaire6 жыл бұрын

    From a testing standpoint, you should have also done a "control" for each of the products (i.e. paint a board with each, but without thinning them with mineral spirits.

  • @baconunteggs
    @baconunteggs4 жыл бұрын

    I am a professional painter, Japan Dryer helps a lot but I also like using a little xylene. These make it so u don't have to thin much and still get the durability. A thinned out coat as your first coat is defiantly the way to go as this will seal the wood.

  • @VJ-ft2xj
    @VJ-ft2xj4 жыл бұрын

    Use pre-cat lacquer if you're after speed. 10 min between coats, can pack or deliver the furniture in a couple hours. Most commercial furniture is finished in pre-cat. After it's fully cured it's pretty durable and resistant to solvents

  • @83hjf
    @83hjf4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah you can't really speed up the "drying" time of oil paint. Oil based paint doesn't "dry" but it "cures". It's dry (to the touch) when the solvent evaporates, but what you're left with is acutally uncured paint. It's a chemical process where polymer chains are created. You can use spirits a couple of hours later to wipe the piece and most paint will come off, but if you use it a week later, mineral spirits won't do anything to it. Basically oil based paint is done when it doesn't smell anymore. Cars are painted with different formulations where the paint actually dries. The solvent isn't spirits, but paint thinner with other kinds of solvents such as acetone, which evaporate much faster than spirits and the paint is dry and ready to sand in 30 minutes, and completely dry by next day. Moving air and heat can help accelerate drying of oil paint, but only if it's too cold for the paint to cure naturally.

  • @Realism91
    @Realism913 жыл бұрын

    On Canadian woodworking's website they said naphtha|camping fuel increases the drying time and that mineral spirits just thins it.

  • @RayVillares
    @RayVillares4 жыл бұрын

    Artists who use oil paints add a few drops of cobalt siccative to decrease drying / curing time of oils. Also, people should be aware that 'dry to the touch' is different than 'cured'. I have also seen people make a box with reflective materials and a UV light above to dry/cure as fast as four hours.

  • @twnolen
    @twnolen6 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Chris. I use oil based Minwax urethane all the time and shorter drying times that you have shown. I think you were correct on the Minwax poly already having some thinner included for the faster drying time. Because of this I use less thinner in it. I'd like to see your experiment again with different ratios to see what your results are.

  • @JackbenchWoodworking
    @JackbenchWoodworking7 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Chris, I love these kinds of experiments!

  • @sumosprojects
    @sumosprojects7 жыл бұрын

    G'day Chris, it's an interesting experiment to view, I've seen a couple now & Minwax never seems to punch above its weight as it's suppose to, really glad I've got a gallon of it in the shed 🤔👍

  • @sandisloan7003
    @sandisloan70035 жыл бұрын

    Great video and great hat...living in Florida but Boston is my home

  • @orelygarcia
    @orelygarcia7 жыл бұрын

    Great information Chris, thumbs up

  • @hgostos
    @hgostos5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @dawnstauffer797
    @dawnstauffer797 Жыл бұрын

    Your speaking voice is tremendous. Thank you for this video.

  • @papidave1364
    @papidave13642 жыл бұрын

    Wow , this video is well explained , thanks for the video

  • @opasworkshop8373
    @opasworkshop83737 жыл бұрын

    great video Chris thanks for the tips.

  • @willemkossen
    @willemkossen7 жыл бұрын

    Nice. Ican use that. What about putting it close to a heat source or a hairdryer. Wouldnt warm air speed it up?

  • @rhondapitcock6560
    @rhondapitcock65603 жыл бұрын

    Interesting. Thanks I needed the info.

  • @ianbrodiesmith4085
    @ianbrodiesmith40857 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Chis interesting stuff

  • @19693201
    @196932017 жыл бұрын

    if you spray it neat will dry faster and you can put more coats on i do 3 coats in 1 hour and finish is good

  • @RayVillares
    @RayVillares4 жыл бұрын

    Might even try using NAPTHA instead of mineral spirits since i dries even faster.

  • @skipperrichman4278
    @skipperrichman42784 жыл бұрын

    great job

  • @DrumFFx
    @DrumFFx Жыл бұрын

    perfect thank you

  • @nolagromlatino6205
    @nolagromlatino62056 жыл бұрын

    Use japan drier

  • @PlaustrumWoodworking
    @PlaustrumWoodworking7 жыл бұрын

    Interesting experiment, better than guessing the outcome. I wonder how heat would effect the drying time. I know production companies use products that heat cure to speed the drying time but I wonder if it would help with standard off the shelf products? Great video thank you for sharing your experiment. Cheers Bob

  • @garymccoy2888
    @garymccoy28887 жыл бұрын

    Thanks.

  • @ZOEng99
    @ZOEng995 жыл бұрын

    Nice test. I've found that over thinning tends to break the finish quality somewhat, in that it is not as durable over time.

  • @georgelackey622
    @georgelackey6225 жыл бұрын

    Thinned finish will require more coats to achieve a good build making the time about the same as straight out of the can.

  • @KSFWG
    @KSFWG7 жыл бұрын

    Great video, Chris! I enjoyed it!

  • @re_styles
    @re_styles5 жыл бұрын

    is this the “Home Show”? Great job!

  • @mikecampingforfun5226
    @mikecampingforfun5226Ай бұрын

    So you made whip on poly. They sell that, but it cheaper to make it like you did

  • @jasonmccoy258
    @jasonmccoy2587 жыл бұрын

    Good Experiment. The one thing you could suggest to your friend is to have him give the option of oil or water base finish to his customers. Let the customer know that an oil based finish cost more money and let them choose which they prefer. If the customer prefers the oil based then at least his extra cost will be covered. If he is building items for craft shows and stuff where he is making batch runs then its like you said. Stick with the water base.

  • @normbarrows
    @normbarrows8 ай бұрын

    It would be nice if there was a way to speed up drying times without using solvents which increase costs and reduce the amount of build you get per coat.

  • @jeffreydeutsch7336
    @jeffreydeutsch73366 жыл бұрын

    There is a difference between drying and curing. I'm not sure if all water base is like latex but latex drys in a few minutes but is not fully hard for 30 days. Oil base takes hours or even a day to dry but it is fully cured in seven days. I'm not sure I would send stuff out that was dry but still soft.

  • @Choc-Ice
    @Choc-Ice2 жыл бұрын

    I find, just dipping the end of the brush in white spirit every few brush strokes before reapplying the oil based coat, severely reduces the drying time without affecting coverage of said oil-based paint. Just remember to keep dipping and keep flicking the excess off before recovering your brush. 👍

  • @charlesneilwoodworking
    @charlesneilwoodworking7 жыл бұрын

    Well done... enjoyed this

  • @charlesneilwoodworking

    @charlesneilwoodworking

    7 жыл бұрын

    Thats how we learn.. it was interesting, had never tried that.. I learned something

  • @idiotburns
    @idiotburns Жыл бұрын

    Hey Chris, Chris as well, guitar luthier, nice to meet ya!

  • @chriss4365
    @chriss43655 жыл бұрын

    What about heat such as a blow dryer?

  • @bobleeswoodshop7919
    @bobleeswoodshop79197 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing Regards BobLee

  • @gamingmatrix7644
    @gamingmatrix76445 жыл бұрын

    the poly took longer because if it is already deluded and you did 50/50 mix then there is alot of water to be evaporated and not allowing poly to crystallize.

  • @brushbros
    @brushbros3 жыл бұрын

    Naptha is what is used to speed evaporation time. "Cure" time is not affected, and my be several weeks or more.

  • @SusanFlowers_
    @SusanFlowers_4 жыл бұрын

    That was so enjoyable. I'm trying to paint a kitchen table. Is the poly acrylic better than the polyurethane? It's going to be used for a family of three. And what about the fumes? Can you show ways that someone can polyurethane a table in a little two room apartment and how they can survive the fumes using a water based polyurethane? That would be a great help. Years ago Lowe's had a odor remover that was a green liquid, and you would put drops on either side of the door frames and it really got rid of the paint smells immediately. I can't find that anymore. So if you can suggest something that would be wonderful. Thank you again for your video it was very well done!

  • @chriscute7528

    @chriscute7528

    4 жыл бұрын

    I wish I could help you, but that's not an area I think I could do you much good. My only advice would be to use a water based poly. The fumes are far less than an oil based poly and the should disperse pretty quickly. Good luck!

  • @anniyah2086
    @anniyah20862 жыл бұрын

    This was extremely interesting ✨🙏🏽

  • @chriscute7528

    @chriscute7528

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm glad to hear that. Thanks!

  • @BradsWorkbench
    @BradsWorkbench10 ай бұрын

    If u need quick, nothing beats lacquer imo

  • @carlnikolov
    @carlnikolov4 жыл бұрын

    Interesting video

  • @nickzammeti
    @nickzammeti7 жыл бұрын

    Good video buddy thanks for sharing mate ! 😜😜👍🏽

  • @Cameragoof
    @Cameragoof Жыл бұрын

    Japan Dryer is the answer. You don't need allot and works fast.

  • @tawny6290
    @tawny62902 жыл бұрын

    I stained my cabinets while living in my home yesterday big mistake. It’s been 24 hours and smell is still lingering I only did one coat minwax oil based stain, how long will this last?

  • @chriscute7528

    @chriscute7528

    2 жыл бұрын

    24-36 hours. Once it's dry apply your finish and that should mask the smell.

  • @dizzy3335
    @dizzy33352 жыл бұрын

    I used a spray on poly for a final finish and 18 hours later it’s still sticky. Heat and humidity may play a factor to this but never had this much problem before.

  • @chriscute7528

    @chriscute7528

    2 жыл бұрын

    How well did you shake the can before applying it?

  • @edwardmirza
    @edwardmirza3 жыл бұрын

    HI would an uncured oil based varnish layer cure beneath layers of oil based polyurethane?

  • @chriscute7528

    @chriscute7528

    3 жыл бұрын

    If it is truly a "varnish" then it has curing capabilities in it. You would need to apply it, then let it cure before going over the top of it.

  • @edwardmirza

    @edwardmirza

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hey, thanks for that. It’s actually gold size, an oil based varnish/glue (soluble in white spirit) used for sticking on gold. No time for curing with this project, and I understand that anything soluble in white spirit, will allow the curing to take place beneath. I have a ‘varnish’ Polyurethane, but soluble in White Spirit. Wondering whether this will work.

  • @chriscute7528

    @chriscute7528

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@edwardmirza Yes, it will work, but you'll need to let it dry before applying additional coats on top of it.

  • @operationrestore3308
    @operationrestore33083 жыл бұрын

    Try spraying magnalac good stuff imo. Great vid

  • @tooljunkie555
    @tooljunkie5557 жыл бұрын

    your friend could just use shellac. dries fast, looks shiny,and dont have to thin it with anything. ive come to like shellac. ive thinned out arm r seal b4 and it took me 7 coats to get a sheen .never tried wth poly though good to know which is the better of the two

  • @KSFWG

    @KSFWG

    7 жыл бұрын

    From my own experience, even though shellac can look just as nice or nicer, but with high use items (like coffee tables, dining tables, chairs, bedroom furniture, etc.) shellac is not as durable. Light use decorative items shellac is a great way to go. Just throwing that out there and it's from my own experience, so take it how you want. :)

  • @tooljunkie555

    @tooljunkie555

    7 жыл бұрын

    Chris Cute ahh i see what u mean. good pt

  • @tooljunkie555

    @tooljunkie555

    7 жыл бұрын

    KSFWG suppose it depends on the ratio of the mix?? im no finishing expert i just know it dries fast and u can mix it to ur liking. .(learned that @ university of youtube ) haha!

  • @tooljunkie555

    @tooljunkie555

    7 жыл бұрын

    Chris Cute ive had luck with a good dry time and durability with spar urethane too but for the sick of experimenting I like your ideas going to have to give that a try you can make a quart turn to a gallon with your method I like that

  • @gtdodgeviper
    @gtdodgeviper6 жыл бұрын

    When I was in woodshop class in high school my teacher had something that would dry like in 10 to 15 minutes. We used a gun to spray it and 15 minutes later we would sand it and spray it again. I wish I knew what it was and what did he mix it with.

  • @darkestwindow-ambientsound8886

    @darkestwindow-ambientsound8886

    4 жыл бұрын

    Sounds like nitrocellulose lacquer.

  • @3dgiftz
    @3dgiftz3 жыл бұрын

    I am making mini human After paint I need to clear coat varnish on it I want to speed up to drying process

  • @romansthirteen-four8626
    @romansthirteen-four86262 жыл бұрын

    What about trying “Japan Drier” ?

  • @bloggalot4718
    @bloggalot4718 Жыл бұрын

    I was led to believe Arm R Seal contains a lot of solvents?

  • @chriscute7528

    @chriscute7528

    Жыл бұрын

    I went by what was written on the back of the can.

  • @sentradynamics8889
    @sentradynamics88893 жыл бұрын

    I would think that if you are so busy you are trying to cut corners on drying times perhaps it's time to raise your prices

  • @TastyPlacementSEO
    @TastyPlacementSEO5 жыл бұрын

    Did you ever work in radio? You have that radio voice.

  • @yolofesh6250
    @yolofesh62505 жыл бұрын

    Ele é tao espontaneo

  • @leandercunha3206

    @leandercunha3206

    5 жыл бұрын

    Siiim

  • @martinrooker5358
    @martinrooker53584 жыл бұрын

    Xylene or laquer thinner

  • @bumstudios8817
    @bumstudios88174 жыл бұрын

    Idk how speeding up dry time while requiring more coats helps?

  • @chriscute7528

    @chriscute7528

    4 жыл бұрын

    It doesn't. That was the final point of the video.

  • @bumstudios8817

    @bumstudios8817

    4 жыл бұрын

    Chris Cute o sorry I had to run pick up my kids didn’t get to finish the video! Just label me that comment troll ;). Thank you for the video

  • @LTVoyager
    @LTVoyager4 жыл бұрын

    When money matters to you more than quality, then use fast drying water based finishes.

  • @sentradynamics8889

    @sentradynamics8889

    3 жыл бұрын

    Exactly

  • @timbarton5524
    @timbarton55243 жыл бұрын

    So a heat gun isn’t an option?

  • @chriscute7528

    @chriscute7528

    3 жыл бұрын

    On a finish? LOL no.

  • @dawnb4295
    @dawnb42957 жыл бұрын

    i just stained my floors 3 days ago. stain still wet. How can I get it to dry completely other than just waiting? Yes ,i did wipe up the excess oil as i applied it.

  • @dawnb4295

    @dawnb4295

    7 жыл бұрын

    Sanded to the white meat. it is stained and it has been extremely humid here. I thought the heat would help dry but now i know better. Thanks

  • @bcrocks3935
    @bcrocks39352 жыл бұрын

    3 part poly 1 part mineral spirits. 1-1 is way to much mineral spirits

  • @Snail_Nailz
    @Snail_Nailz6 жыл бұрын

    Just fyi- the dry time difference is because of the high level of solids (resins) in the GF’s product compared to minwax...plus the binders used are higher quality & not made of MS base.

  • @VegasDave53
    @VegasDave532 жыл бұрын

    Hard to fathom someone in the furniture business doesn't use lacquer from companies like General Finishes or Mohawk. Lacquer is superior to oil when it comes to furniture, dries in minutes, and wears like steel.

  • @chriscute7528

    @chriscute7528

    2 жыл бұрын

    I guess you'd have to "fathom" what the business is making to understand.

  • @VegasDave53

    @VegasDave53

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@chriscute7528 So tell me

  • @chriscute7528

    @chriscute7528

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@VegasDave53 Here ya go, ask him yourself then you two can leave me out of it. kzread.info

  • @coalcreekdefense8106
    @coalcreekdefense8106 Жыл бұрын

    Who else is sitting here watching this vid while waiting for their project to dry?

  • @LTVoyager
    @LTVoyager4 жыл бұрын

    Looks like confusion between absorbing into the wood vs drying.

  • @ryanokeefe12
    @ryanokeefe123 жыл бұрын

    You aren't making the drying time any quicker.. you're just reducing the "solids" content by reducing it, which decreases the flash time. You would get the same time by halving the amount you apply (thinner coat). The curing time will be exactly the same if you end up with the same product build up. The polyurethane isn't drying as quick because you need to use a polyurethane reducer if you're going to thin the stuff. They don't work the same as acrylic oil based products. You get a similar situation when using high solids (HS) vs medium solids (MS) 2K systems. The HS products simply have smaller/finer particles so that less solvent is needed in the product to get the product to flow for spraying. an MS product will flash off quicker than HS because it has more solvent and you're effectively applying less product for each coat. This means an HS product can provide full coverage with a mist coat + a wet coat. The MS product will need a mist coat + at least 2 full wet coats.

  • @chriscute7528

    @chriscute7528

    3 жыл бұрын

    LOL Thanks, but if you watch the entire video you'll see that I come to that exact conclusion.

  • @berniegordon6338
    @berniegordon63383 жыл бұрын

    Go yankees

  • @jasoncheshire6153
    @jasoncheshire61534 жыл бұрын

    Dries twice as fast and only half as durable!!!

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