I totally miss my 104/2's. The difference is clear. 104/2's all day!

@JanoyCresva66

4 жыл бұрын

what about the bass? They do not go low at all..

@GamingShiiep

2 жыл бұрын

@@JanoyCresva66 Most music besides rap and few other songs only go down to 40-50hz anyway

@TheDistrict644

2 жыл бұрын

As I said in his 1000M,1000,and 690 test all of this can change due to mix and match. Over the years, I passed on 2 pair of 104/2's, but i do own two pair 103.2's. I did this due to the missing equalizer. Some of the Kef models needed it for optimum sound or rather bass. Certain models of Kef are just hard to beat, has nothing to do with DSP as one comment was made and I love Yamaha

NS1000 is a natural sound monitor. More true to the recording. It's a neutral speaker. Other speakers can sometimes sound better because they're designed to make the sound richer. That being said, that's nothing that can not be done with a DSP. If you want a certain sound, send it to the NS1000 a certain way, and it will faithfully reproduce it.

@MichelLinschoten

23 күн бұрын

No it's not any of that at all

@singedcarry

23 күн бұрын

@@MichelLinschoten If you knew what you were talking about you'd have responded with something more than "Nuh uh"

the kef 104 / 2 were probably the best value for money hi fi loudspeaker ever made, just outstanding .

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

Yep... they are indeed very good... if serviced and kept up to date... ferrofluid, donut cap, etc

ive never heard a midrange like the NS1000!! however im not an audiophile they were just some speakers someone gave me when they were cleaning out their garage!! sadly i was young at the time and sold them when i found out what people were willing to pay for them! something ill always regret! and ill buy another pair when i get the chance! Beryllium midranges are amazingggg!

104/2's all day long!

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

you got it

Kef, by a longshot!!!!

KEF win again, so natural sounding 😍

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

👍

Sold my KEF 104's and kept 2 pair of ns1000. No Comparison. Kef's are just OK. Paired with a 4500$ Peachtree Grand Integrated, the Yamaha beat most any speaker.

@TheSinclairmoore

Ай бұрын

The info I was looking for. Thanks

@MichelLinschoten

23 күн бұрын

They are pure cheap garbage Danny Richie took those paperweights apart lol

@TheSinclairmoore

23 күн бұрын

Just because you say you're an authority on audio doesn't make you one. The guy doesn't even measure speakers in a treated room. ​@@MichelLinschoten

If they were level matched it would be better. Unfortunately it is tricky to do with my setup. Hope it gives a good insight into the sound characteristics of both speakers though. Cheers VHFL

@tarikaltuntop8123

4 жыл бұрын

vintagehifilover kef sounds boxy ns sounds more correctly but no low end

Its impossible to know without being there. But it sounds like the NS-1000 are more detailed. but the Kef have more bass and a warmer sound.

Interesting demo. Always wanted both speakers. Here the kef’s were a bit more warmer n easier to listen.

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

Yes, you got it.

Big thanks to this man, that show all video what speaker is playing! It so wonderful comparsion! Yamaha really sound little strange, like too wide stereo scene. Phase there is ok?

@vintagehifilover

4 жыл бұрын

Fair question, however it was connected correctly.

Earlier in the year, I had KEF 104/2 and NS-1000 both in the house at the same time, and I did this same shootout. Even after recapping and putting new ferro-fluid in the KEF's, the KEF's sounded darker and vailed compared to the Yamaha's. The Yamaha's still have their original caps. And despite KEF's reputation for having great midrange, I think the Yam's are much better, the best I've heard on any speaker that I've owned. The 104/2's just sounded dull to me. The KEF's have found a new home and the Yamaha's are still with me and are played daily.

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

I enjoy them both for what they are.

@birdyflying4240

Жыл бұрын

The kef's alway's sounded on the slow side because of the bextrene membranes that are quit "sloppy", to much flex to follow the signal and smeared out the pulses but never harsh, good for long listening. The Yahama mid domes are the opposite, fast, rigid, wide dispersion but lack lower mid range. The large woofer needs to do this part, in my opinion not a ideal fit, a smaller and faster woofer would bring better result in the low mid range. But for it's time a great speaker.

@chadrobinson7234

Жыл бұрын

@@birdyflying4240 Thanks for the reply. You say that the NS-1000 was great for it's time. Are there modern speakers that are available for under $3000 that would be significantly better than the Yamaha's?

@birdyflying4240

Жыл бұрын

@@chadrobinson7234 In general, speaker units and materials did not develop that much, looks even they go "retro" for beryllium again in high end. Probably the improvements are more in cross over design, measuring and calculation. The yahama's at that price point will still be hard to beat, mainly the superb mid range.

@TheSinclairmoore

Ай бұрын

​@@chadrobinson7234When I owned the NS1000 I compared them against some Wilson Maxx II worth $200,000+ and the Yamaha was equal in detail, dynamic scale and the ability to feel like musicians were in the room with you. Both need high end source and amplifier to shine.

I just finished a refoam of Advent Legacy II's and put them as B set speakers on my Yamaha CR-2020, with NS-690 II's on A. I found very similar characteristics changes between them. The 690's are near field monitors ( from the research i have done) and the Advents are a recreation of the original Large Advent, a hifi loudspeaker... I am wondering if this difference is what I/we are hearing here. The Yammy's are GREAT speakers! But, the difference is clear.

@vintagehifilover

4 жыл бұрын

Both speakers are amazing in their own right. With carefully matched amplification, both speakers can shine, providing very engaging and moving listening experiences. I rarely have them, sitting side by side, and equally enjoy the different sound signature they provide.

@greaser309

4 жыл бұрын

@@vintagehifilover I have been using mine together... they actually compliment each other well! Amp/speaker pairings are such a crazy thing to experience first hand... when they click- man, a good match up can really sing!!

@TheDistrict644

2 жыл бұрын

If you can find a pair of Advent Heritage, pick them up. I found a pair years ago and matched them with a Onkyo tx-nr 900 and they sounded phenomenal. If only I can remember the player I had matched with it. Any great player will do.

For the life of me, I cannot fathom why the Yamaha sounded so light in the bass region with a 10 inch woofer. The KEF sounded more balanced but still, the midrange was not totally natural sounding ! Great video! Thanks.

@vintagehifilover

27 күн бұрын

Thanks 👍🏼

104/2s all the way, they make the ns1000s sound thin and scalloped. Thanks for the comparison.

Yamaha more refined and detailed, although a bit quieter as mentioned in the description. Listening through Beyerdynamics dt770 pro

@vintagehifilover

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, spot on. Thanks for stopping by.

@SteveHart

2 жыл бұрын

😂

This is why I shy away from ported enclosures, the bass is boomy on the Kef....and I'm a fan of Kef 104's. Though the Yamaha's may possibly be out of phase or the spacing is off. Nice video btw.

@clubsport9118

3 жыл бұрын

KEF 104/2's are not "ported" - please study Cavity Coupled Bass - the bass is not like normal reflex - despite looking like Reflex Designs.

@ColAngus

3 жыл бұрын

@@clubsport9118 It's like a bandpass enclosure, I have one

@clubsport9118

3 жыл бұрын

@@ColAngus So you know then, that to describe the bass as "boomy" seems at odds with 1) the design ethos 2) the evidence of ears 3) the measurements. BP designs are of course compromised, (what bass system isn't) but if there is one word diameterically opposite to what I percieve, it is "boomy" :-)

@ColAngus

3 жыл бұрын

@@clubsport9118 Have you done an A/B comparison with other high end towers that are sealed?

@clubsport9118

3 жыл бұрын

@@ColAngus Hello. Few speakers on the planet are sealed these days. My point of reference - KEf Blades, Martin Logan (panell + sealed bass system), Acoustic Energy AE5, Mission 767, Frankly, I lost count of all the speakers I've auditioned in my career. That said, I do recall a nice set of Leak "Sandwich" designs and also had NS1000's for a while (3 weeks in total) and a pair of NS500's. I even got seriouslt tempted by auditioning the Quad 2912's - a really interesting bass system.

Yamaha seems out of phase

@vintagehifilover

2 жыл бұрын

But it's not I can assure you

Kefs by a mile....the Yamaha sounds hollow...like it's a emp5y hall but you're 25m away...the kef sounds complete and warm....the Yamaha is a 3 the Kef is an 8 out of 10 for me...I have these Kefs 5 sets of vintage Japanese speakers for nostalgic reasons along with Polk rta12b, Kef calinda, polk rti12, Studio audio MA3, AR tsw810 and these whip the Pioneer HPM 100 , Kenwood 777D , Sony SS-850 and sansui sp2000....Sansui is the best of the Japanese speakers that I have

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

Nice collection you have. Cheers

KEF way more musical vs tinny sound of the Yamaha. I'd like to see this AB done with some other genres and see who eats whose lunch

@vintagehifilover

27 күн бұрын

Yes indeed, a bit coloured tbh

The Kef's sound more efficient , is that possible. i used to sell the Yamaha Ns 1000 's while they were a great speaker their sound was more of a Monitor type sound. At the same time i sold Kef's , like the 105 .. i preferred the Kef's on a wider range of Music. The Yamaha's need more power than you think to sound at their best.

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

Yep, spot on

The KEF sounds better

@alanlangford8497

4 жыл бұрын

The Yamaha NS1000 are wired out of phase without a doubt!

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

👍🏼

ns 1000 are so much cleaner

On the video KEF sounds better, but its a video, we want to know your opinion! 😀

@vintagehifilover

3 жыл бұрын

The KEF 102/2 are wonderful sounding speakers with the right amplifier behind it, but in my setup it would occasionally sound a bit boomy in the lower registers depending on the music. It is also not an easy load to drive, and can easily kill a sub par amplifier.

@SteveHart

2 жыл бұрын

@@vintagehifiloverI know from experience that the KEF's sound best with a beefy amp but they are designed to show the amplifier a much more consistent 4 ohm load than most speakers and they are also a pretty efficient speaker. I would not expect them to be hard on any amplifier comfortable with a 4 ohm load.

KEF all the way!!!!

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

👍

Buy a pair of NS1000m if you want to hear what your system sounds like. If you want to change the sound buy something else.

YAMAHA 👍

KEF all day long. The Yamaha are great noise makers... But the KEF are for music lovers 😎

@vintagehifilover

Ай бұрын

😊👍🏼

Where’s the bass gone on the Yams?

@vintagehifilover

2 жыл бұрын

The bass is there but the KEF just have a lot more bottom end which make the Yamaha sound thin in comparison. Keep in mind that the speaker positioning is a bit tricky in the video which does not help the Yamaha shine ;)

Molto megli le KEF

@vintagehifilover

4 жыл бұрын

Gracie

Yamaha cho âm hình rộng hơn nhưng hơi mỏng tiếng được cái nghe lâu ko mệt con kef 104 tiếng thiên về bass Ko biết amply bác chủ có hợp với hai loa lày ko và đầu phát gì nhưng cả hai đều ko thuyết phục tôi những tiếng đàn piano rất chìm

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

👍🏼

El sonido de las kef es más calido más aireado y el de las yamaha es más brillante más estridente a la larga fatiga más el oído

@vintagehifilover

9 ай бұрын

Yep I can see how you'd that

Yamaha very peaky to amp , sounds nice with audio research claccic 60, need more power then kefs, but berylium is more coloured then softdome like atc and amt faster and more neutral ....

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

Hmm

More meat arround the bone with the kefs, warmer brittish sound, but not not the old b&w dm4 too much!

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

yep you got it

кеф

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

👍🏼

Non c’è confronto, per me Kef tutta la vita

My Yamaha NS-1000 sounds nothing like this. Paired with a Line Magnetic KT-88 tube amp they sound big, detailed, airy, warm and with a perfectly hefty low end (placed close to back wall in the corners of my room). In this video they sound extremely thin, totally lacking low end. I would have guessed I was listening to a small bookshelf speaker with a < 5" woofer.

@Loken47anUA

4 жыл бұрын

I also placed my speakers (as intended...) with tweeter and midrange on the inside. I know some prefer them the way they´re placed in the video, I don't.

@vintagehifilover

4 жыл бұрын

NS1000 with some nice PP vacuum tube amplifier, like the LM, is a match made in heaven. The in room bass response is quite satisfying, I can assure you. Do you have a video of your setup to share so that we can have a listen? I'm looking forward to it. Cheers

@Loken47anUA

4 жыл бұрын

@@vintagehifilover no video right now, would have to get a proper mic first. But it would be fun doing one, and if I'll do it I will let you know. One thing I noticed is that the speakers sound better in other videos you made.

@chadrobinson7234

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I had the 104/2's and the NS-1000's in the house at the same time and did this same shootout. I used a few different amps, including a KT-88 tube amp and the Yamaha's won every time, by a good margin. Maybe I needed a more powerful amp for the KEF's? My most powerful amp is 50wpc. Or maybe there is something wrong with this KZreadr's pair of NS-1000's.

@user-bc6ok1yh4s

5 ай бұрын

Yes, I agree. My 1000's driven by a tube amplifier sounds exactly like the KEF's in the posted video. Definitely a mystery.

Yamaha for clarity and tone.

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

👍

Well ,mistake put speakers 12-21 should be 12-12 when we can compare,.yamahas are legends .

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

👍🏼

Something is wrong here ! This can not be true !!! The Yamaha's sound like out Phase...(Lack of Low frequencies) NS1000 are quality speakers and do absolutely NOT sound like on this video.

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

You've had these speakers playing in the same room before, have you?

@user-bc6ok1yh4s

5 ай бұрын

I agree. It's a mystery waiting to be solved. My 1000's sound nothing like the 1000's in this video.

Kef all life...Sound warmer and less "canned",i don't know but your NS 1000 sounds like in a box...

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

👍🏼

歌名？

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

Jailhouse Rock

Escucho que suenan mejor los Kef

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

Cheers 👍

The Yamaha's are out of phase. - I have heard them and they do not ever sound "thin" like these. Fact is, you can even hear it !

@GoddamnEvilBastard

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, most common error when hooking up speakers. Also I've come across phasing being done right when system a+b are playing but them being out of phase playing separately - that's may be the issue here. I had hell hooking up two sets of speakers on Yamaha A-960II, I always thought it's not right... Until I got it right and it started to get real punchy. On cheap Polish loudspeakers. Not some high end ones. Something is not right.

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

Hmm

KEF’s no contest, the NS 1000’s sound thin and sibilant. Those beryllium tweeters are enough to make a person’s ears bleed

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

Recapping the crossovers helps a bit but yeah I can see your point there.

kef..... there is no comparison 🎶🎵🎼

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

👍🏼

Kef's win more natural sound the yamaha's very flat and tinny!

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

Ok

kef

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

👍🏼

YAMAHA, anytime...

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

👍

Errr....is there a competition 104/2 is way better!

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

LOL

yamaha has better and clearer highs Kef has smoother mids and higher

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, You got it

You have the Yamaha's too far apart plus should reverse them. Your orientation effectively pulls them apart another 10" from each other because of the driver arrangement. The midrange is way too thin. The Yamaha's will outperform the Kefs on nearly every possible listening test, every time on any day. Some may like the bass punch of the Kefs a bit more. But there is no way they'll ever get even close to the transparency, detail, naturalness and accuracy of NS1000s

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

OK

the way he positions the mic is all wrong, not a valid compare at all!

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

Hmm

Not really a fair comparison if they aren't level matched? The 104/2 is 92db speaker and the NS1000 are 89dB speaker - which obviously makes a massive difference in a shoot-out using the same amplifier...

@vintagehifilover

2 жыл бұрын

I respect your opinion and am well aware of the diff specs, however while I realise it is not ideal, it was the best I could do to give people an idea of the different sound signature of both speakers using my own time and resources. Thanks

Kef 언능 갖다 팔아치워야겄네여

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

?

I agree completely with clubsport911. Not only do they have no bass, the mid also sounds out-of-phase. This is because one of the Yamaha's is hokked up in reverse polarity. They should be hooked up correctly, then tested again. Though this platform doesn't do either of them justice, demonstrating with a speaker with reversed polarity isn't fair. Since you are doing something here, people assume you know what you're doing. Please do it right. You have all sorts of people believing the Yamaha isn't as good, when it is clearly hooked up wrong. Hook it up right, then do the test again and see who wins in a fair fight.

@vintagehifilover

2 жыл бұрын

I respect your opinion and am well aware of the diff specs, however while I realise it is not ideal, it was the best I could do to give people an idea of the different sound signature of both speakers using my own time and resources. Thanks PS: Yamaha speakers are NOT out of phase in the video.

The yamaha makes the singer very tired, no air.

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

Cheers

think audio examples are reversed..... Yamaha way more dynamic then the Kef's!

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

not reversed

It is impossible to sound KEF better than Yamaha! I think the amplification is not suitable for Yamaha or something is wrong.

@Loken47anUA

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. The sound is far from what I'm hearing with my pair driven by a Line Magnetic tube amp (KT-88). Something is terrible wrong, either amplification, wrong phase, the room or the speakers them self.

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

It can and it does happen

KEF 104/2 - sounds better.

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

👍🏼

The KEF's ate Yamaha's lunch. There's no comparison.

Kef 104/2 is way better than Yamaha monitor

@vintagehifilover

27 күн бұрын

Thanks 👍🏼

Kek son far

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

Cheers 👍

Не верю, Ямаха так не звучит!

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

.

я хз... почему яма звучит как-будто из другой комнаты? хреновый тест.

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

you're welcome

@user-lb4yr7ho5c

10 ай бұрын

104/2 порвали как тузик грелку ямаху

@Aleksey_miliarderov

10 ай бұрын

@@user-lb4yr7ho5c будь здоров.

Prende fuego esas yamaha !! no se le acercan ni loco a las kef !! en las yamaha el sonido se aleja y no tiene presencia !! en cambio en las kef escuchas todo adelante y con cuerpo !! Nada que ver !!

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

LOL

This is the best way to destroy a speaker. KEF sounds bad and Yamaha even worse. Try to make an opinion after a real audition not this...

@vintagehifilover

27 күн бұрын

Best to audion in person if possible

Kef sounds boxy

@vintagehifilover

Жыл бұрын

Hmm

I think the KEF much noisese

@vintagehifilover

9 ай бұрын

Huh?