One of the most ethereal concerts I've ever heard was at a small 600 seat theater in coconut grove Florida in 1975. Kraftwerk. They had dozens of speakers pointing in a myriad of directions and also special reflecting panels. They could literally fly any individual sound around to any point in the room. It was beyond anything I'v ever heard since. To have that much control of audio. Totaly Magic.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

I love that and wish I had seen and heard that!

@c3N3q

Жыл бұрын

... and I thought Kraftwerk were (big) in the 80s, kind of like Depeche Mode... But I was only born in 75 and some of my friends listened to KW in high school.. # I can imagine a room with one of these tubular speakerstatues in each corner, and it probably wouldn't be too hard to reproduce what you described above, probably way easier today then it was for guys 50 years ago, almost... I'm getting old .... almost 🙂

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Very cool and I was born in 62 and went to a craft work concert in the 80s. They were all at little stations and a big screen projection behind them. I think it was at the Santa Monica Civic

@dupoirier5041

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Dave !! Sooo interesting !!!

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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I love how you are still asking curious questions after many years of this being your profession. Love the passion!

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Matt!!

This is part of why live music is still popular, especially in small intimate settings like local bars. Each instrument is heard separately, whether acoustic or amplified, and the environment is an integral part of the experience. Is it possible to recreate this in your living room? Maybe, but it’s not on many peoples’ radar yet.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

8 see a singer songwriter doing a dozen bar gigs at the same time with a live video feed and 4d speaker each bar being a start

@TomCee53

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveRat As a musician and DJ, I would prefer a dozen musicians or groups. Though a higher quality DJ speaker system would be welcomed, as long as setup time is not severely impacted.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Hmmm, I prefer speaking to people in person, does that mean we should not waste time improving audio quality over the phone?

@TomCee53

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveRat good point. I just have several friends who are musicians and worry about being displaced, but there’s a place for both live and recorded music.

@edjackson4389

Жыл бұрын

Not every live experience is a good one. I really never noticed this problem that often in the past, but lately alot of bands just crank everything to 11 even in a small bars and venues. All you hear is a big reflective mess! For any younger bands reading this...Tennessee Whiskey isn't necessarily any better at 115db.

This guy is years beyond the audio industry

@DaveRat

29 күн бұрын

Honored

I`m an amateur audio engineer, and that is one of the smartest concepts i have ever seen and explained so that anyone could understand. awesome video.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you James!!

This is the result when someone truly understands sound. Great video. Thanks Dave.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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Worked on an identical project some years ago now prompted by the availability of stem tracks from bands like NiN. The idea was a speaker system per channel (i.e. instrument) and a meta-channel that instructed the playback system on how to do the equivalent of a mix. Provisional patent covered a submix of a plurality of channels which would be a new form of digital distribution to include a point of delivery mix. Proof of concepts were done with breathtaking results. Exactly as you described, Dave. Retired foh engineer here. Great to see your channel!

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Very cool and I believe NIN played the Sahara tent at Coachella around that time because I remember having his unique setup overlaid into the huge dance club sound system

I work part-time in a relatively high-end HiFi store and get to listen to pretty good stereo systems regularly. One day we had a small jazz band play live in the store and I was blown away by how good it sounded. From that day I knew that, even with seriously expensive high fidelity stereo systems, you are only approximating the real thing.

@DaveRat

11 ай бұрын

Agreed

Forever an inspiration. I'm hoping to do my first outdoor immersive audio setup for about 3000 people this year. It's been a dream for a long time. Greetings from sunny South Africa.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Super cool, let me know how it goes!

May you never ever stop using that original inquisitive / inventive mindset of yours! You’ve said what needed saying and the experiment is pure fun and learning to the open mind. More strength to the elbow of Mr Rat!

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Barry!

Agreed. . . . Loved this Presentation.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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It''s amazing, how obvious your suggestion is!

@DaveRat

3 ай бұрын

Yes it seems so obvious I agree! And yet also there is passionate reluctance from some people as well which I also find fascinating

Sounded a lot better than I thought it would, really cool!

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Yeah! Agreed. I thought it would sound good but could not believe it sounded so good

Very cool demo. Love your attitude and ideas

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!

I agree, Growing up going to jazz clubs every week the nicest part was the bodily rumble I felt from the drums and other instruments.

The sound dynamic as you move around the rig and speakers is great proof...Thanks!

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you and will do more!

This is awesome stuff -- Thank you Dave for being the sound human that this world still desperately needs !

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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@donjohnstone3707

Жыл бұрын

Dave is definitely on the right track to more realistic sound. With many individual speakers designed to project the sound picked up by individual microphones in different directions, his speaker design more closely reproduces how instruments spread sound out into the space around them. Traditional stereo speakers send an artificially mixed sound in a specific, narrow, directional way, which doesn't replicate music the way it actually sounds when originally played.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you and it's wonderful when someone understands! So many people are threatened by anything fun and new.

@AtlantaSoundGuy

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveRat I’m a sucker for new and cool information.. some of it I can implement and make my game better. Some of it is just pure knowledge that makes my brain better. Some of it is just super cool stuff that I might never be able to implement, but seeps in anyway, and I then share it to others. This, I believe, is what being a good sound human is about. Keep doing what you do, and I’ll keep watching your videos and buying your tools 👍😎

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

So cool and we need more of you

This is so great, it really does come across more natural. I mean it's the difference between piped in music of someone singing into and echo filled lobby and the same singer singing into the same lobby adjusting for the room. Kudos, looking forward to the next one! :)

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Awesome and thank you!

Good point you have there Sir.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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Such a valuable lesson. Thanks Dave

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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I really think this is brilliant. It's like it's somehow both point-source and a constellation system at the same time

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Yes, you get it!!!

Really cool. Would love to hear a whole band of these. Could be such an awesome concept for small bars and restaurants when they can’t actually have an artist performing.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Yes!!! Agreed and will do more. Right now I need a accoustic source so I am trying to learn to play a cigar box guitar so I have something to demo and video with

@LKO-Ekawami

Жыл бұрын

That's what I was thinking. My parents used to own a restaurant, Marco Island, FL, back in the day. They sang every night. My Dad put speakers every where in the ceiling. walls, bath room, those speakers would have been awesome to have. Great Idea!! Genius!!

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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Thanks so much for your work and the content you give to the community.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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Thank you very much, you're opening our minds. Love from Italy

@DaveRat

8 ай бұрын

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Incredible! Would love to see this concept explored more

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Will see what I can do

Very interesting concept to design a speaker that accurately emulates a "source point" for each instrument or singer, then setting them up in positions for a performance. Tie this together with virtual reality and you could fully immerse someone into a simulated "live performance" that is either occurring somewhere else entirely or was pre-recorded. A music artist or band could perform "live" in multiple locations across the globe simulataneously, or you could re-live a "live performance" any time you wanted.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Yes!!

@mrpad0

Жыл бұрын

I'm in full agreement with you, Cats Pajamas! When I was a child we only had mono speakers for a long time. I really couldn't 'hear' music properly through them. In later years I realized it was because all the sound was coming from one small area. A whole orchestra coming from a little box. As a just pre-teen we got stereo (okay, I'm old!) and suddenly that opened things up and I started being able to hear more of the music. Headphones helped still further and I became a musician/piano-orchestral composer. THIS system, shown in the presentation is a wonderful idea! Just brilliant. I hope to see this kind of thing take over over the years ahead. It's brilliant.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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Hats off.... Ground breaking concept indeed sir DR.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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Thanks Dave !

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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Yamaha and Kawai make those incredible $20k digital grand pianos. Sound amazing but you know right away it's not a real piano. Those old player pianos sound pretty real. I always thought all these modern line array/point source type speakers actually sound pretty fake. I'm looking right at the band, yet the sound isn't coming from them. No, but a wall of sound is coming from somewhere over to the side. LOL.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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I love this! I'm trying to imagine producing recordings for this, though. While we do have the track counts available, every recording will be idiosyncratic each time it's played, undermining producers attempt to have a death grip on what the listener hears, although because of the concept, I would imagine a lot less production processing would be needed, since so much of that is used to attempt to recreate a sense of space and manage the interaction of the instruments. In a way, it seems kind of related to the Grateful Dead Wall of Sound where each instrument had its own PA, the idea that each instrument has its own space. It seems that what you are doing is creating an audio hologram of each instrument with the multi-mic'ing and then letting it expand back into the listener's space. From this recording, I like it better than binaural, the other attempt to put someone in a space using a holographic concept. I want to experiment with it, but I don't think I have the building skills or tools you have. Thank you so much for all these great videos! It's inspiring.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Yes, you get it!! Basically just dropping the musicians into your living room rather than trying to recreate and transform your living room into an alien space that it is not.

THIS is what Dolby Atmos SHOULD be, not the weird phasey crap that I’ve heard so far. This is like the reverse concept of a stereo mic recording multiple performers in a room, but having multiple sources playing back discrete sources. Both give a similar realism. So much creative potential for musicians and engineers here. People usually don’t like the idea of drums and guitars ‘flying around your head’, but multiple sorces emanating from a centralized space in front of you seems more acceptable. It’s Big Mono. Mega Mono? Multi-Mono? I love it!

@DaveRat

24 күн бұрын

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Fantastic Video! I really enjoy your stuff when you dive into something.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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I love the idea of turning sound reproduction inside-out, especially in a studio recording context, and especially for acoustic instruments. I'm now envisioning a multi-channel speaker system (or design framework), similar in concept to what you show but maybe with more deliberately-structured speaker arrangements, and mixing approach that is designed to play back a "3D mix" based on the multi-mic outside-in recording approach. Particularly, an acoustic ensemble could be recorded with outside-in mics arranged in a manner corresponding to the inside-out speaker array, capturing the projection of the ensemble into the space. Another manifestation could be a software mixing approach, where the spatial placement and orientation of each recorded track (which may be a multi-channel recording of an outside-in mic'd instrument, or synthetic even) can be adjusted to place the instrument "inside" the multi-channel speaker system at a distinct 3-D location and orientation. Of course a multi-channel audio file format would be required to distribute music recorded in such a way. Basically extending the approach you've shown here reproducing a single instrument into an entire band or even synthetic sounds. For like super high-end listening installations, this could potentially be coupled with an outside-in speaker array intended to reproduce the room reverberance of a particular (or potentially variable, if done as a post-processing step) venue, perhaps via convolution from a room impulse response captured by an inside-out facing microphone array to represent the listening position... so you would get the inside-out sound presence of the original sound sources, and use the outside-in speakers to provide the presence of a room potentially much larger than you're actually in. Very cool way of thinking about sound reproduction!

There's an AES paper where someone recorded a chamber orchestra in an anechoic chamber one instrument at a time, then played it back in a concert hall one speaker per instrument. Pretty interesting stuff. Personally I think that binaural sound over headphones (HRTF) might be the future for this kind of realistic production. Providing that someone smart comes out with a way to properly personalise it it each persons body.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Good stuff

@RedSpark_

Жыл бұрын

@@maxmaix Makes sense to me. You listen with your ears, so put the mics in your ears to record and play back with speakers in your ears. It only sucks because it isn't personalised enough. People in labs and academia have been using it for like 30 years. Yes, it would be better if everyone had 5 sets of big speakers in their homes but the last 50 years has been spent trying to make audio for consumers smaller. Unfortunately I doubt it is going back any time soon.

@RedSpark_

Жыл бұрын

@@maxmaix fun!

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Oh my, diversity of choice rather than imposed largeness is my preference I laugh when my electric golf cart silent fast no exhaust Tesla makes those noisy loud smelly cars small in my rearview mirror. I also love my Bose Bluetooth for background music but yeah, I also love the 400 large format dual 18" concert subwoofers as well. All good as long as no one is pushing their views on others

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

I do very much support minimization of waste. And grown ups tend to be like little kids and just want to make a huge mess and not have to clean it up. I see this as the big issue with pollution and non-repairable products and disposable bags and bottles and such

I think your experiment is really awesome. Makes sense!!

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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I tip my hat in your general direction good sir !! This is a bloody fantastic example of genuine logic at work, never stop being curious !!! Thank you !!!

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Awesome thank you jason!

Your PVC speaker sounds like being around someone actually playing an acoustic, the other speaker simply does not. Very nice.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

🤙👍🤙 and I wish the recording did it justice

@scripturenest

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveRat Even so the difference is clear Dave!

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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Nice project dave. I was thinking 'you are really creating a single instrument source' before you mentioned it in the video. I see stereo as an attempt to recreate someone else's space from a single listening angle. That's what the instruments sounded like in their room from that angle. What you've done is make a virtual acoustic guitar lol. Very cool. Xx

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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Great stuff,well done.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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really nice video and topic is on point, thank you Dave!

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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This reminds me of a very old spherical speaker design, featuring a dozen or two small speakers in a mono configuration mounted in a sphere. This was designed for larger spaces to hang from the ceiling. At home I like to listen to monitors and hifi speakers together, this creates much more of a soundfield with the same varying aspect to it when you move around. It is so interesting how all the different very good speakers sound completely different and give a completely different atmosphere.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Sending the exact same sound in all directions is not a useful representation of an instrument that sends differing sounds in differing directions

@disklamer

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveRat Right, it was another iteration of the notion of a point source, from before stereo days even. I really like how you raised the issue of "realistic reproduction". Keep ripping the envelope

@cameronfoale8270

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveRat You might be interested in the work of Franz Zotter, who has been working in this space for a while. His dissertation "Analysis and synthesis of sound-radiation with spherical arrays" is available online.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Cool cool and thank you

Mind completely blown. I think this why I don’t use extras when I’m mixing live. I get a much better response from people with a raw mix vs a album mix. It’s kind of like what I’ve been rethinking with subs.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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Please do keep us up to date, its very helpful and pleased your going in the right direction

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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WOW - that sounds amazing!!

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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Soo.... this is an idea I was experimenting with many years ago where I send mics and instruments to individual speaker systems for main pa. The sound was as very acoustically transparent. Much different sounding than the regular left right setup. Even the band's manager said he never heard his band sound like that. But it's a lot of equipment to get such a setup even for a small gig. But I applaud the idea.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Very cool and I am not looking at this from a live reinforcement angle. For live, we already have the real thing, right there. But for reproduction, that's where it gets more interesting.

@TomCee53

Жыл бұрын

I agree, anytime live music moves beyond a living room and needs amplification it presents challenges to simulate realism.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

And the need to simulate is reduced when the real thing is already there

Hey Dave, Love where you are going with this. I’ve mentioned this before but this harkens to what Bose was trying to accomplish with the L1 system. I worked for Bose and the ironic thing was that bands would use these for Left and Right instead of having one for each member of the band.

@brucepackard5890

Жыл бұрын

I recall just one gig with L1s where we tried one instrument per column...it was a very uncomfortable gig as some players liked to hear themselves a bit too much but perhaps if we had persevered it may have worked.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Hmmm. Lots of variable. Individual control vs centralized. This is a reproduction based concept have not really thought about or intended it for reinforcement-based applications

I love everything about this video you give a sense of freedom to try more

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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Great knowledge, great teacher, keep up the great work !

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Awesome and thank you

I really like this idea. I think it would be hard to get studios to release individual tracks, as they spend a lot of engineering time getting the mix 'right'. However I see small bands or live events being recorded (small gigs) that might be really interested in being able to reproducing that 'event' in perpetuity using thus type of set up.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

I am pondering doing a vid asking people to record themselves and send to me and I will play back in another vid. Fun!

@nate_d376

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveRat yeah, that would be wild, to see what people record!

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Right! Will see how things go

This is genius Dave..... this comes directly from understanding how sound works, I believe this could be the future of music reproduction unless consumeristic influences stifle its progression..... I'm blown away by the concept of this. For many years when listening to music at home I have thought about the restrictions of the stereo/surround format and wondered (for example) what it would be like to be able to adjust the individual gain of each instrument to suit the acoustics of your room and by using this system you could do just that, which in simple terms is like creating your own mix. The omnidirectional nature of the reflected sound from each unit is what would really give the realism here.... I think this is the most exciting concept for recorded sound I've ever seen...

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Tha k you Sonic Art!

@sonicart1808

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveRat My pleasure Dave.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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@martindooley4439

Жыл бұрын

Hi all, us folks that watch and contribute to the channel are already invested in quality audio. What worries me is that we have a big part, not all, of the general public seem satisfied with sound from their phone or cheapo Amazon eBay far east Bluetooth speaker. Convenience is winning out over quality in my opinion...🎶🎸☹️ Keep up the good work Dave the world needs folk like you to show the art of the possible

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Awesome and thank you and don't let the people satisfied with mediocrity get ya down, the bell curve prevails and there is always fun not being in the middle of it

Way to rethink things. I Love it. Having a live band even after your band mates have gone home

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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Really great concept there , can`t wait to hear the 4 piece band , thanks! ...

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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I always enjoy your thoughts and experiments and this time I can say it's "outside of the box" . Yes the number of tracks isn't really an issue but a standard would be required that's for certain. The combinations of the number of instruments and positions within the room are infinite and therefore would create a challenge for a standard? I do see this immediately as a no brainer instrument amplifier. It's not hard to see this in the millions of clubs and venues with singer songwriters creating more realistic soundscapes. I just may put together a similar experiment to check out feedback rejection insitu when I get home. That is your speaker concept close to the audience and a microphone array on stage for match direction source. Thanks Dave. You are the best.👍🙂

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Well, this is designed for reproduction not reinforcement. Also, I believe adequate realism can be achieved with 3 speakers. So existing 9.1 surround amps could do 3 distinct instruments and a 4th, 5th or 6th instrument could probably be spread amongth the outputs. So, bass, vocals and guit with 3 inputs each and drums spread out to the 3 units plus sub. That should recreate a 4 price rock band with realism of sitting in rehearsals or a small club.

@tomehCanada

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveRat Yep, got your design goal. 👍 Also I really, really enjoy all of the well recorded, mixed and mastered surround sources using only front left, right and rear surrounds. Thanks Dave :-)

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Oh, I do too, I enjoy music live and reproduces in many formats And adding a format focused on somic realism seems valuable

I think an open baffle speaker would get you quite close to what you are trying to achieve with this design, right? Because I can imagine the difference in audio being sent out in different directions by one instrument is very small compared to what room interaction does to the same (or very similar) signal sent into all directions. Btw: awesome stuff you are exploring, keep it up! Really inspires me, thanks!

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you and I feel there would be mixed results. In the forward coverage. Open baffle would be good, clear and transparent. But, the back side of an open baffle is an out of polarity sound which is unnatural and causes cancellations to the sidesnand a figure 8 coverage which is not natural either. What I want is different sounds radiating outwards like an instrument.

Definitely trackin with you. Thank you for takin us on the journey.

@RebellionFreedom

Жыл бұрын

You could set up a room of “people”/“instruments” and have a truly more live interaction

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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Simply WOW! Awesome

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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I'll be honest, i'm skeptical... but, i love the experimentation, and believe that's how innovation is made. Keep it up!!

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Skeptical of what? Instruments are like sprinklers, conventional speakers are like mounting shower heads on the wall If ya want to recreate a sprinkler, don't put showerheads on the wall. That said, it's fun and everyone that hears it is drop jaw wow!

@theberndog

Жыл бұрын

​@@DaveRat Skeptical of others understanding how to use the system effectively. You're correct that the sound is more authentic, but in a room full of listeners it's harder to give them a uniform experience. Again, i love how you're attacking this, but I want to understand the practical method I could use this beyond using it as a novelty item/showcase.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Also when designing this I was thinking more about reproduction than reinforcement

Wow! Amazing! What would it be like if you built a room full of such 'odd' speakerconstructions, with different instruments, voices... all coming out of different speakers, solo used per instrument/voice... This is a very interesting video... Thanks Dave for all the work and the thinking. I'm learning so much!!!

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Ii think it would be amazing

@chrisw5742

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveRat Make em dancing robots also.:-P Sound activated. One for each band member. Give em cardboard instruments.

@rawr4444

Жыл бұрын

sounds like a great idea for an art project. (multimedia, even)

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

What I would like to achieve is to create a speaker where upon hearing it, people look for the real human and are stunned to find it is a playback. This is something that I have never experienced. I want the "wow" that never happens from the "sit here, for a while and use your imagination and it will sound somewhat real" world of existing stereo and surround but will reduce the system lows if the hof is set too high

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

I am good with speakers, not so much with robots

Awesome idea. Love the concept! Can't wait for future updates on this 💛

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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That was an amazing demo! Very smart idea

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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The Infinity speaker has more bass and you stepped into a bass hotspot making the bass to hot and slow, making it sound more "fake". Ive played around with fullranges and the no bass pitfall illusion is just a temporary mirage. After a few songs you will hit the need for some bass depth and the illusion is gone. Anyways there absolutely is something to radiation propagation. There is a few commercial omni directional speakers on the market wich sounds very good. I love the exerimentation vids and I'm looking forward to se your next idea!

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

My goal was more to create something where people walk into a room and go "wait, I know I heard a real person playing" More than "oh, that's a speaker but now that I sit for a while it's sounds almost real"

Interesting idea Dave, there have more than a few companies over the years that tried to come up with multi-direction speaker systems and the issue was always phase between drivers especially in 2 or 3 way design's , next is the issue with most audiophile assumptions that phase should always be relative to one main point . One of the reasons why di-pole home audio speakers are so well liked is because they produce that type of sound.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think the desire to overcomplicate makes it worse

@falconquest2068

Жыл бұрын

This is why some people prefer Ohm Walsh's.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

There are many great sounding and great looking speakers out there. And there are no e I have ever heard that realistically reproduce sound such that when I walk around it is not obvious that it's coming from a speaker

@falconquest2068

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveRat But the same would happen at a sound reinforced venue. Walk behind the speaker stacks and you get the same effect other than the sound from the stage monitors.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

True, and my goal is not to reproduce the problems of existing speakers, nor is this design a reinforcemet product This is designed to sound like an actual real natural instrument being played

Love the concept… inmediately made me think of one of those for each musician…

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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Great idea

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

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I think this is a truer representation of a decca tree recording. If I really wanted to hear how one guitar sounds through a decca tree of mics then this speaker set up is pretty dead on. I work in a performing arts center, and we record our symphony using a decca tree over the conductor, because if we capture the sound hitting the mics all in phase, then we’re replicating the conductors ears, and then the conductor is hearing HIS mix of the recording, not ours. That’s three omni mics at 10’4” over the conductor with the mics five feet apart. We also fly other mics at the same height over the other sections of the orchestra, up to 16 mics. We might close mic the principal instruments for a little more definition if the conductor wants the recording to be released for radio airplay. Great video Dave!

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Interesting and in headphones that would be beyond amazing

@brucehartnell1475

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveRat it’s about capturing the sonic imaging, just like the concept you’re on about is reproducing the imaging. It’d be interesting to hear a packaged album with the speaker set up you displayed. I think there’s a Led Zepplin LP where the drum sound was a decca tree of three AKG 414’s. Of course it helps if you have John Bonham in your band….

@brucehartnell1475

Жыл бұрын

…With a decca tree mic set up over each instrument. You’d have to have isolation between the instruments in a rock band I guess, I guess, but you could conceivably have a speaker set up for each instrument for the playback. I bet that’d be amazing.

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@brucehartnell1475

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveRat you know, when they try to tune an artificial acoustic enhancement system like the Meyer Constellation system, they’ll bring in “omni speakers” like what you’ve designed so that they can decide the settings for the RT60 that they’re designing for. It’s cheaper than having an orchestra available. We don’t have that in our hall yet- we have the ACS system from Kierkegaard in Denmark that uses 24 sennheiser MKH50’s and 88 tannoy coax 12’s time aligned and all over the place. We can only add 3 seconds, and that’s because the venue is dampened too much. There’s baroque music that wants up to 7 seconds of RT60, so we don’t do a lot of that. Regardless, there could come a day when you’d have home systems that you could hear commercial recording releases with the systems you’re describing. It’d be another way of selling classic albums, like all of the advancements have since 1945 or so, and probably be a truer representation of how it really sounds.

Yes, I have done a whole bunch of work on this, and it is feasible to reproduce a symphony orchestra if you are willing to use a few thousand channels and some custom built transducers.

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

I don't think it's that hard. A bunch of cheapish speakers and a lot of amps and a lot of mics in the recording should do ya

@weareallbeingwatched4602

Жыл бұрын

@@DaveRat I'm talking indistinguishable in an A/B test to an expert listener or measurement equipment. Replication. Same idea as a player piano - instrument reproduction. Drive a violin body with a bending wave transducer via the soundpost. To make it sound like an acoustic guitar, the best idea is to drive a stringless guitar body with a tectonic transducer. I have some really nice plans for the "amplifier case" for classical and folk musicians to use as foldback or small scale reinforcement, which has a wooden soundboard inside the lid. Bending wave transducers are much less prone to feedback, in some very interesting ways. Ideal for a monitor.

@weareallbeingwatched4602

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If we can get "backline" going for orchestral music, we can make orchestras much cheaper if you only need the front desks and we get a bit of AI processing tracker for the other players, who are just doubling stuff to make up the dBs, and the washiness and timing issues are a regular issue we'd like to get rid of. Not all orchestras sound great by any estimation. There is a whole potential field of symphonic acoustic quality music by employing high technology to reduce the eye watering costs and personnel issues. Symphony orchestras cost too much per day for people to use them, but the good ones sound the bollocks. I reckon we could get the same sound with 15 people using some clever frontier technology.

@DaveRat

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cool! gr8 idea

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This is pretty brilliant

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I understand that stereo is not realistic nor do I need it to be. I still really enjoy especially more than mono.

@DaveRat

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The right too for the job. Love small wifi mono Sonos or Bose speakers around the house for ambient music. Love my Abbey Road studio monitors and vintage hifi speakers. Love my 7 ft stainless tube speakers and the 7.1 system they are all connected to. And also no e of them have the ability to recreate the realistic sound of someone playing guitar in my living room. And I love that too.

pure Genius! i hope we will see people having those in the future!

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Nice! 😎 Thank you

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This might be one of the most exciting concepts I've seen in a long time. Can't wait to see where you take this.

@DaveRat

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Awesome and thank you Nick! 8 will show ya next time ya come to the shop

I love this ''out of the box'' philosophy in order to create something new and exciting. That's a really impressing result. Real fun! Giving it more thought, i guess that's why i love live music performance so much, you have all these instruments radiating and interacting with each other right in front of you and it changes from where you're at. Awesome video!

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you and you get it!!

this makes total sense!

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an eye/ear opener! thanks!🎉😲

@DaveRat

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Really enjoyed this video

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

This is really inspiring stuff, academically explained

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Defo nifty ideas.

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You're a legend Dave

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Wow. Finally someone gets it. Love iiit! I wanna do this

@DaveRat

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Very interesting as always Dave

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This has given me a lot to think about - as have your other videos. Thank you dude, really cool! Kinda reminds me of what the Grateful Dead were aiming for with their Wall of Sound PA for live shows.

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I was in a hurry and had to skip through but listened to his speaker and you guys are right that thing sounded so natural! Great video as yours normally are...

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Awesome. Thank you and fun!

dude, in a day and age where it seems everythings been done and figured out to a T, and everyone will tell you theres nothing you can do that hasn't been already done, your questioning and design based on your own intuition is super inspiring!!!

@DaveRat

11 ай бұрын

Awesome and thank you!

Excellent

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Жыл бұрын

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This is cool. Regular speaker setups create an illusion of surround sound by varying volume and phase but the illusion is broken when you move around a room. Just putting speakers in the room where the instruments would be is a simple but brilliant idea to more authentically reproduce the sound of a live band

@DaveRat

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Very inventive.

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Actually amazing, thanks for thinking differently. :)

@DaveRat

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Fascinating man. The concept of radiating out versus pointing in is something I'd never considered and I've been at this shit for 40 years. Great video. Thanks

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Awesome

Oh wow, I just discovered this channel! This is amazing!! 👏

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Welcome Simon!

That was so interesting, thank you so much to open days after days our spirit about how acoustic works 👍

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Dave, that’s very very interesting ! cool cool

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Listening on a pair of headphones, I can definitely hear it! Great job, great presentation! Thanks

@DaveRat

Жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you! and just did another video that takes it even farther!!

Bravo! I've mixed many live shows in mono and they sounded great. I also mix soundtracks in stereo only. Many Kubrick films were mixed in mon and sound great. This is worth sharing to many!

@bacontrees

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@14:30 - kinda like The Wall of Sound (Grateful Dead), but on a more manageable scale!

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Brilliant 👏

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Thx Dave Still remember you from 30 years ago after meeting you while i was doing sound for maybe Jetboy or Vain at the whiskey…loved your passion and mind Good work!

@DaveRat

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Wow, hello Jerry!

Great Video. 😃👍♥️

@DaveRat

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Nice surfboard collection.

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Dude, this is incredible! 🤙👍

@DaveRat

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Fun!!

I had always wondered why they never did this. Thanks Dav.

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