CORRECTION: Seems I'd been misreading Logan's ability so fat this edition - it's an entire turn of re-roll charges and hit rolls in melee army-wide. Thanks for pointing that out, it's much more powerful than I said, though still would have been pretty solid even if it were just for his unit!

Logan Grimnars' High King of Fenris rule buffs all adeptus astartes, not just terminators! Is an army wide rule. Wolfy Santa comes with really good gifts

@rankcolour8780

9 ай бұрын

Termis are singled out becasue it's harder to get them into melee, last edition they enjoyed having chaplain support for litanies to help them. This edition Logans ability is very helpful plus the fact he can only be embedded in termi squads on foot which is where you want him, ideally with Arjac or another LT style support leader.

@auspextactics

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the correction, yes that's massively more powerful than I'd read it haha, seems basically autoinclude for 100pts Will post a correction above!

@robking6975

9 ай бұрын

His Howl made him an auto include before the points drop tbh. @@auspextactics

Love the wolves content! Would love to see a full breakdown, maybe a list overview/building guide

When auspex tactics tells you your army was one of the worst chapters but now says that they are decent🎉🎉🎉

1, if more than 1 saga could be completed per turn and 2, if not just the character model but the attached unit could achieve the saga would be great help for the champions of Russ detachment

@MarkAndTerra

9 ай бұрын

100% agree on both. With the current rules I find myself having to make "dumb" decisions like, "I don't want this Character to charge that unit this turn because then I'd complete this Saga when I already completed that other Saga over there..." or "I hope my Bodyguard unit does some damage but not too much damage so that my Character can finish off the unit." With so many rules (positively) going to a "fast roll friendly" style, it's stands out that SW have to do a bunch of slow roll nonsense to make sure it's THIS MODEL that does the last Wound. From a Lore standpoint it also doesn't make sense for an epic hero to do 19 out of 20 Wounds to something and then his buddy steps on its neck and they think the epic hero is a dunse, and then over there the Bodyguard unit does all the damage and the Character just pokes it in the eye to finish it off and that Character is a "hero worthy of saga." Just change the rule to "Character UNIT" instead of "Character MODEL."

Great vid Auspex. Worth noting that Logan's high king of fenris ability gives the whole army reroll charges and hits in combat for a turn. Really good combined with assault doctrine having the whole army advance and reroll charges and then be likely to slap when they get there

The wulfen hammer having the exact same stats as the claws tells me that they're leaving everything in disrepair until codices drop.

Nice to see 3D printing getting some love. Custom parts are really nice additions, and there are a lot of talented designers deserving of attention.

Absolutely LOVE the bits and one of the best sponsor pairings I’ve seen in months. I’m 100% pressing go on em! Also, don’t sleep on logan - army wide hit rerolls in the right turn is actually HUGE

I really need upscaled (I loathe word primaris) Wolves.... Arjack, Logan, Njal... Lukas...

I rocked the mighty Fenrisian Sons of Russ back in the day.. We talking 2nd edition 40k and lead cast miniatures!!.. Man i loved them so much! Lol.. My Bjorn The Fell Handed legendary ancient character dreddy, an Ragnar Blackmane being two of my favs i have timeless feels an memories of that'll stay with me for life.. I got back into the epic 40k Universe of Grim/Dark during lockdown, even tho i don't collect or game anymore.. I'll always love and enjoy the lore and that's what drew me back in!.. I don't think it will ever get old or not appeal to me.. Started with vids catching me up with the lore developments, new factions etc.. Then started enjoying watching vids on the gaming side of things.. Taking in all the gameplay changes from my 2nd edition days to the 9th/10th state of the game presently etc.. It's been fantastic.. Seeing how the game has evolved and developed over my 20-30yrs break!! Lol.. More i watch, i do miss it.. Do genuinely wish i had the spare time and stacks of cash needed to get back involved in the hobby!.. We never had anything like these epic sculpts we get blessed with these days, some minis are just astonishing compared to my lead cast metal flat mono-pose 2nd edition models!!.. And we never had 3rd parties or anyone make Space Wolf upgrade accessory sprues!.. Would of killed for one of them back in the day!.. The community is blessed with the options and cool stuff available these days!..

Easy fix for wulfen, TWC and SM elite melee units in general: give them their melee weapons back.

@Livid72Des

9 ай бұрын

I very much agree with this I loved all the weapons they had. GW seems to really hate melee this edition.

@robiwrestler145

9 ай бұрын

Like such a simple fix... GW hates SW

Rumor has it, they're not getting updated until the end of 10th, so a long time to wait for the codex to drop. Though,, on the plus side, Russ may well be showing his face then.

@robking6975

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, Russ and a load of new models as probably the last Codex of 10th are the current rumours I'm hearing in the Furry (Space Wolf) community

@kennethmacgregor-Gregorach

9 ай бұрын

@@robking6975 As I already have a lot of Grey hunters etc, part of me doesn't want to fork out again for new superer greyer hunters in a few years.. After all if a Terminator can be EITHER primaris or first born, then so can my Grey hunters.

@robertbrook574

9 ай бұрын

@@kennethmacgregor-Gregorach you're not wrong brother, but at the same time, who doesn't want fancy new truescale primaris wolfy boys? I love my firstborn Swolves, but I also can't wait for them to be shown some love in new plastic.

@kennethmacgregor-Gregorach

9 ай бұрын

@@robertbrook574All I want is an actual Wolf Priest that has balms as standard (no stratagems or anything) I kitbashed the MKVI from the HH box, they're nearly he same size as Primaris anyway. I just hope if Russ IS coming back, his model is better than Lion o's as I really hate everything about that sculpt and model. I'm interested though on what will be updated to the P boys, no more Santa's sleigh perhaps!

Bjorn : Trueclaw should have [DEVASTATING WOUNDS]. Because of course it should.

Great breakdown of the SW- I played a small tournament last week with my SW’s, and chose Sons of Russ…that was a big mistake. Should have gone with your recommendation as it was tough to get more than 2 turns in with the games for all players last weekend, which meant I couldn’t take advantage of Sons of Russ in 2 of 3 games. Love your videos- thanks for posting these so regularly and doing such a great job breaking down 40k.

Ulrik can be absolutely insane leading a big unit of 15 blood claws. If you pop the +1 to wound strat, they suddenly become no joke against vehicles, monsters and dreads. Sure they are only D1, but you are going to be making 60 attacks, with full re-rolls, +1 to wound and - 1AP. You can also have a power fist on the pack leader, which suddenly becomes a very dangerous weapon with these buffs. Ulrik himself hits decently as well, with his artificer crozius.

Wulfens : I'm sorry GW, we didn't want "cheaper" wulfens : we wanted our DEADLY wulfens with HAMMER profiles and FROST melee weapons back.

@kenreckless2757

9 ай бұрын

Yes, but one deadly Wulfen generates half the business revenue of two mediocre Wulfen...

@stephgracia8902

9 ай бұрын

@@kenreckless2757 indeed. As they should.

I got to add a unit of thunderwolf calvary to my 1000pt army from the point cuts

Im thinking of a "Bloodied Claw" wave-of-ceramite with 2-3 huge units of bloodclaws with a few characters in each.

@purplefood1

9 ай бұрын

I was thinking about something like that myself, maybe a few wulfen packs to disrupt stuff ahead of the tide

I use the SW detatchment to get access to the anti-vehicle&monster melee enhancement, for use on a Wolf Lord on TWC with squad for +1 dmg on charge. Dealing a potential 15 devastating wounds can help a lot with getting the lethal hits saga.

This update is perfect, as I am going to play a 2k game this friday. With the point changes, I can get more units on the board :)

Just played against custodes yesterday and 10 Wulfen killed a 5 man wardens squad with honour the chapter and oaths ;)

Here's how wulfen become "acceptable". Have them treat all sagas as active for the unit, and allied units within 6". Allow wolf priests and reiver lt's to attach to wulfen

Always good to see my wolves get some buffs.

Honestly the update made me pleased that GW fixed some very big problems with the game- but yet the Space Wolves got such a bandage patch approach to fixing them. Because Devastating Wounds are no longer mortal wounds, the Runic Wards strategem is now effectively meaningless. The increase of the strategem to pseudo trigger a saga for a squad now no longer being able to be free with a Captain makes it also much harder to have your saga's go off. These means that the Champions of Russ are just in a very painful spot- and makes it hard to play and win with them unless I want to cast aside flavor for raw power. The changes I would love for GW to apply to fix Space Wolves would be for the following: 1.) Allow Runic Wards to have a 5+ FNP against Devastating Wounds, and Psychic Attacks (this makes us lose out on niche occurrences, like Dreadnoughts causing wounds on the charge, but that's fine- if they were going to be REALLY nice they could include Mortal Wounds too, but I'm not being greedy.) 2.) Make Warrior's Pride be a free strategem IF used by on the Warlord's unit. This would make it less powerful than other free strategems (which can be used twice in a phase), and would also provide the feeling that your army's Warlord is helping to forge the saga himself- which is very in line with how Space Wolves work. 3.) Cyberwolves need to lose the Character Keyword. I fully respect that they function like how any character would while leading a squad, but you cannot tell me that killing a Cyberwolf should provide an opponent points for Assassinate because it was a high asset of the Space Wolves. All you likely did, was kill the Space Wolves' version of John Wick's dog and now he's gonna come for your livelihoods. I love Cyberwolves, but I will now never take them if it means it's just free points for my opponent. You apply these changes, and Space Wolves still won't beat out Gladius, but then I won't feel like I'm being punished for playing my faction, and not playing "Space Marines". Also, I'm fully aware that Dark Angels and Blood Angels are in the same boat. I wish the same for them as well, but Dark Angels got their primarch, and new Terminators that really suit their gamestyle- and Blood Angels are about to get Jumpack Primaris, so they are getting (or have gotten) their consolation prizes. Primal Hounds are very cool though- and I may have to see about using some bits for making some new Terminators.

I still love the wolf lord on Thunderwolf with TH and Black Death engagement. Leading a sqd of TWC is a solid option for rushing saga of the beast if you run CoR

Just started Warhammer about a month ago and chose Space Wolves. Looks I came in at a good time for them. Using Grey Hunters, Skyclaws, WG Terminators, TW Cavalry, Long Fangs and a bunch of dreadnoughts. Lol

I like Ragnar with grey hunters, they can advance and shoot then Ragnar gives them the ability to charge as well, makes the unit very fast advancing every turn

@kennewell2172

9 ай бұрын

I run Ragnar with 6 BGV and Primaris Lieutenant. You can fall back and charge in every turn, which gives you fight first and buffs his already massive melee attack plus everyone gets lethal hits. I've personally wiped entire 10 mam squads and finished of Redemptor dreadnaughts with Blackmane. He is the BEST character in the SW index, and maybe even one of the best in the entire game. Send Ragnar and the boys in with a drop pod, stormwolf, or repulsor to get them to but pressure on center OBJ on turn 1.

@danielrigione58

9 ай бұрын

@@kennewell2172 yeah I love him, yeah can see how the BGV can work, I just like the price of 10 grey hunters with him and feels right that they can storm across the board advancing every time, I find using the Strat to make the chainswords an extra AP handy as well, usually ends up with me wiping a squad and Ragnar killing a character to activate the warrior born saga, has worked every game in 10th so far

@danielrigione58

9 ай бұрын

Love the idea of falling back and charging tho, thats huge

@purplefood1

9 ай бұрын

Blood Claws seem like they'd be a pretty good choice, he's a fairly versatile hero

I think that the gray hunters with a wolf guard in terminator armor is a very complete troop and perhaps underestimated by Space wolf players. the guard can be equipped with a heavy weapon (plus a melee weapon), while the troop has both special weapons (Melta, plasma or grav gun) and chain swords at their disposal. for 125 points it's not bad for a battleline troop. .

I feel like there is a neet solution to the detachment problem that we have. Give different named characters their named sagas. Like, give Ragnar an ability akin to "if this unit is your warlord, The saga of Warrior Born is considered to be complete for your army'' or Saga of Magesty as a Grimnars ''warlord trait''(would strangely also make wulfen usable?). It kinda fixes the ''do something before you get something'' issue, while still being somewhat damanding and, tbh, quite narratively competent.

actually a good sponsor, the stuff looks pretty good for Space Wolf!

Get the black templars next so good after the update 🖤

Feel like "Time to Bite back" was missed

Still nothing about the missing Wolf Priest(the Chaplain/Apothecary hybrid)?

Space Wolves are why I and my sister started collecting 40k. 30 years of love later and I'm glad that GW recognises who the real champions of humanity are. They do not wear gold.

Been combining ragnar with a Lt and 3 bladeguard this edition and that squad shreds anything in a single round. And now it's cheaper. As is the WGT/WGBL bolter disciple combo.

I feel like the Wulfen game design space is really interesting, and GW missed a good opportunity to explore the raving berserker design with WE. It would have been interesting if WE OC control was stacked on their characters rather than on their units. It would have made precision more valuable and fit with the fluff of blood crazed lunatics being herded around by leaders and champions.

Thunderhawk Gunship spotted! Typo? So, i watched this video and got inspired to play around with my SW list in the 40k app. When did the Thunderhawk Gunsip get put in? It's only in for SW, does not show for regular marines.

NOOOO THE FILTHY SPAWN OF FENRIS GOT BETTET

I’m happy with the primal hounds sponsor lol thos and I think major kill got it right when I needed a backpack for my marine for my Thunderwolf Calvary so this has been blessed timing can always use and want great wolf bits

As an SW player, I'm loving these points drops. Personally, I love taking Ragnar with a group of Bladeguard. It's a monster unit that can just tear through things at a pretty awesome threat range. I do mostly play Crusade and favor a CPT w/ LT and my BGV. While running Champs of Russ. It's not as good as Gladuis, but the flavor is worth it in more casual games lol

If you do Deathwatch you should reach out to Tiny Legend minis

Looks like the right time to start a wolf army

As a champion for Champions of Russ (CoR) , it's really not that hard to fix. Add a 1cp Strat to allow a 2nd saga to be taken in a battle round, and allow Sergeants to complete sagas. Those 2 changes should make the Champions of Russ detachment work, and will make Space Wolves a balanced force in the current meta. Would really be interested in people's thoughts. I can't think of a better way to do it.

@robking6975

9 ай бұрын

@auspextactics Do you have any thoughts on this?

@slanahesh

9 ай бұрын

Easiest way to fix it is to allow you to start the game with one of the sagas active.

@robiwrestler145

9 ай бұрын

I'd say allow the bodyguard unit to help achieve the sage so you dont have to worry about "was the character the one the dealt the blow", and instead of a CP just enable it to happen, its not like theyre super useful anyways, and theyre already a hoop to jump through to make it happen unlike Black templars.

@robking6975

9 ай бұрын

From the replies, I don't think many people have put much time into game crafting CoR detachments. Starting with a saga takes away a lot of the skill from playing the NEW space wolf style (we can no longer exists solely as berserker raged marines) and we have to think more about our attack order and synergies (so I like the chars requiring the deathblow). I love the CoR mechanics, and think they are fun to play, just need a small edit to scale them in the current meta.

@robiwrestler145

9 ай бұрын

I agree we havent been that for some time, but playing it proper at the moment they require a level of micromanaging that is neither fun nor realistic in a competative environment. Aka I want to kill an enemy character in a blob of their henchmen with BGV and a Ragnar I either have to make certain the BGV done wipe the entire squad or I have to burn a CP for Epic Challenge precision with Ragnar and hope he murders the enemy character (FWIW Ragnar is not worth taking and this is easier done with a Judiciar but not the point here). Making it the bodyguard or the character makes this micromanaging go away. Additionally, being able to just enable one is what Black Templar currently have, not quite fair. @@robking6975

will there ever be an addition that doesnt have gamebreaking marines?

where did you get your information from? Like i cant seem to find them on warhammer 40k

Seeing the state of space wolves, with wulfen and thunderwolves having their special weapons still stripped away, and a massively underwhelming faction rule has made me not even care about playing 10th edition. Was hoping to see an update fixing those things but I guess it’s not happening for another year or two. ✌🏻

in order for you to play the wulfen like this, when they dont hit in any way hard, AND with oc 0 , then we sould be refunded 80 points for geting them in the list, even fenrisian wolves are better than them now. They killed the unit, and unless they give it something or cost them 30 p per 5 then with this profile they are unplayable. The rest of the changes are fine.

@robiwrestler145

9 ай бұрын

Speak the truth! Wulfen atm are totally worthless. I'd start to consider them if they were 40 points a unit. their transport restriction also an issue.

No comment on fenrisian wolves?

Anyone here know any good substitute models for white scars? Love the wolves btw, Russ!

FENRYS! HJOLDA!! ... oh.. and first 🤣🤣 Really like to run TWC, Ragnar, Iron Priest and Captain in Terminator Armour, WGBL in T- Armour and 5 Termies in 10th 😁😁

@grimnir8872

9 ай бұрын

Half those models can simply be replaced with more terminators. Like why would you ever bring an Iron priest without anything for him to fix?

@Henticore

9 ай бұрын

​@@grimnir8872I'm running a Lancer and a Repulsor Executioner, so there a things for him to tinker on. The models above are just some models/ units I enjoy fielding and performed nicely, when playing against different armies. Terminators are definetely nice and tough, but I don't like to spam a single type of unit too much.

It would be cool to see a Detachment in the future that let's Space Wolf's Epic Heros take Enhancements.

@samhunter1205

9 ай бұрын

Very unlikely to happen, and probably just as well. An epic heroes wargear is part of their identity, you shouldn't be able to mess around with it.

@Dre0oq

9 ай бұрын

​@samhunter1205 I guess I didn't conceptualize adding an enhancement as a change in wargear. Works for Soulblight Gravelords tho, and it feels cool and thematic there, I figure it would be neat to see something similar for Wolves since they're also so focused on epic heroes.

@samhunter1205

9 ай бұрын

@@Dre0oq interesting, I don't play AoS so I didn't know they had implemented a similar mechanic there. That does actually increase the chance they will do it, in the past that has been a hard line they have never crossed. Still, I think something like allowing a regular character to take two enhancements would be safer - or better yet, adding a second layer of character upgrades for that specific detachment. Creating a new unique mechanic allows finer control about who can take what and what it can be combined with, which is pretty important for getting the balance right. This is especially important for Space Wolves as they have two dreadnought epic heroes, and vehicle characters have been an issue in various ways in previous editions.

@Dre0oq

9 ай бұрын

​@samhunter1205 Yes, I kind of thought about it being restricted to Infantry because of good ole Bjorn and Murderfang. Putting enchantments on the leader in the sled might also be kind of nuts haha. But yeah for the Soulblight subfaction the enhancement choices are noticeably toned down compared to the others since they can go on the epic heroes that already do powerful things.

@samhunter1205

9 ай бұрын

@@Dre0oq I actually think the sagas would be better expressed as an additional paid upgrade for characters, maybe even with the option to pay a cost but then choose your saga before each battle. There needs to be some initial benefit off the bat, having to wait till a specific condition is fulfilled is just inherently weak.

This made my wet leopard growl

I Love this!!!!

I have a large SW army with half of it being HH models. I guess it's time for a last march before most of my models become unusable in 10th.

@grimnir8872

9 ай бұрын

I mean Grey Hunter and Blood claw units are going nowhere.

@robking6975

9 ай бұрын

Space Wolves likely to be the last Codex of 10th, you have a bit of time, and I'm expecting Primaris versions of GH, BC and LFs, so you will likely be able to continue to use your older models.

@markimusmaximus7870

9 ай бұрын

​@@robking6975I've been expecting primaris versions for what feels like eons now..

Oh. Another thing ... murderfang should be an auto include... seriously, if you are not using Murderfang give it a try Example, I played at the huge Tacoma open, murderfang killed 5 chaos little knights before the end of turn2 Including killing me n in close combat, during the opponents shooting phase

For RUSS! And the ALLFATHER

Always love the Space wolf attention even if they suck

eyo AT you listed bjorn twice

FULL MOON !!!!!!!

FOR THE ALLFATHER

Full10th Edition SW Breakdown... plz sir

Wulfen Dreds are amazing for 130pts you get 8 wounds T9 4+inv 6up FNP does up to 6 mortal wounds every time it fights they are very good boys :D

@hickorybane9323

9 ай бұрын

I love to pair one up with Bjorn. Gives a tough choice when shooting at them, and frequently a tank peeks out to chip damage onto Bjorn before the wulfen dread launches towards it and mulches it. Recently with some great rolls on tank shock & bestial rage he killed a full wound plagueburst crawler before even getting to attacks.

@2wolf5

9 ай бұрын

@@hickorybane9323 Bjorn is very good. Also Iron priest+ honor venheim+ blood claws and you have a melee power house💪

The bits products look amazing. Space Wolves aren't really my thing, but I can definitely see these taking the army to the next level. I wanted to be a werewolf in elementary school, so maybe they're in my Wyrd somewhere down the line. The bits definitely make the case for getting started.

Wulfen are useless at OC 0. Other choices that will be more effective for competitive play.

Sorry but the fact that Wulfen and TWC are still supremely pillow fisted for what they're supposed to be will still make them pretty much worthless when compared to stuff like Wolf Guard terminators. Like I cannot think of a single reason why you would take Wulfen at all; they provide literally nothing to the wolf lists, at least TWC can somewhat perform differently to Wolf Guard by being slightly better MEQ killers. Even with the points cost changes, it doesn't fix this issue.

@grimnir8872

9 ай бұрын

Oh, and as an addition, The Champions of Russ list is hilariously shit, because it's if I recall the only army list that seems to provide absolutely nothing until you have already done something, meaning by the time you start filling out Sagas, you've already won the fucking thing the Saga is supposed to boost your army with.

YEEEEESSSSSSSS

I think people are sleeping on how powerfull Grimnar on a stormrider is. He can lead a unit of TWC TOGETHER with a WGBL on a wolf, giving himself both "lethal hits", '''move when shot'' AND +1 to damage on all meelee weapons(extra attacks included). On a turn he uses his ability he gets, like, 16 dam2(or even better a6 s8 d4 + a6 s5 d2) attacks, rerollable, with lethal hits. And that is just him alone. His defence profile is also quite good, retaining his 2+ save while having 12 wounds, 4+inv and T6. I feel like he is getting a little overlooked, even considering the point investment.

@robiwrestler145

9 ай бұрын

Roll it out against a unit of lychguard (-1 hit with relic, native -1 wound) who can regenerate with reanimation protocols, have a 5+ FNP, can tank damage on their cryptothralls... then do a points comparison. Youre not going to be happy. Blob og thunder wolf with Grimnar and a WGBL is ~400 points... The stack of Lychguard + Overlord + Cryptothralls + Relic is also ~400. You'll barely scratch them with Grimnar and be deleted. I want them to be good but they just are not.

@DrKokcs

9 ай бұрын

@@robiwrestler145 You may be right, i dont know, really. Unless im missing something and If i counted correctly, with avarage rolls on both sides Grimnars squad has just enough punching power to kill thralls+ entire unit of lichguard. Not enough to kill characters, of course, but still kinda ok? That is if both units are at full strength and TWC gets to charge(kinda easy with gladius?) and you nominate lychguard as your target for oath. Plus Honor vehement on WGBL. Plus Honor The Chapter strat for Lance. I know, i know, our detachment sucks, there is not much to do about it. But there is a pretty good chance to wipe them in one turn if you somewhat soften them up in your shooting phase. That is a big IF, i know, but it is possible. And its not ENTIRELY fair to compare them to one of the strongest combos in the game atm. They are playable, not broken. High chance lyches will get toned down somewhat in the future, and wolves will, probably, stay just the way they are right now. And right now they are a pretty good generalist DD unit with a shitton of D2 attacks. Im not disagreing with you entirely, but they are not as bad as you try to make them to be

@jman07081

9 ай бұрын

@@DrKokcs While I agree that the theoretical output of the TWC + logan + WL is competitive the reality is, it is IMPOSSIBLE to maneuver all those massive bases around current leviathan terrain. And with the new combat rules, it is even harder to get all those massive bases into combat. I regularly have to have 2/3 TWC sit out because I just can 't get them all into range.

How are we not talking more about how ridiculous Wulfen dreads are in melee. They have been pivotal in all my 10th games thus far. The increased survivabilty over other dreads and their special rule make them very competitive in my playgroup. I feel they are extremely undervalued. I run 5 dreads in my list though so I may be biased.

I disliked the removal of wolf guard with jump packs and thudner hammers from the last edition by GW

So,,, have gw considered that removing first born, means Space Wolfs will no longer have Wulfens? The primaris are suppose to be immune to the coruption of the gen seed.

@jubseest8439

9 ай бұрын

Incorrect. Primaris marines can still suffer from turning into wulfen. Same as blood angels primaris can still suffer from the black rage. Check the 9e codex. It talks about it there

The Greytide Studio Primal Hounds bits look super awesome, and the paintjobs are also great. The only reason I'm not getting any is because they are so good and well known at this point that everybody and their mom are going to use them excessively.

Wulfen seem super good

I've spent the last several months trying to persuade space wolves reddit that we aren't terrible in 10th. Our detachment is terrible. But you can just play Gladius, and then we are jsut space marines with a massive selection of extra units (some of which were pretty great even before the point cuts).

Ragnar seems like he's gonna be really fun to use given how cheap he is

I am a long time space wolf player. Imo Thunderwolf cav are overrated even after the points changes, too easy to move block lost most of the rules that made them viable, less durable with 3+ sv For the same points you get aggressors, who preform dramatically better/more reliable I was really hoping for a points drop to the Hounds of Morkai

I’m sorry wulfen feel like trash still feel weak af. They have been so shat on by GW.

Wulfen are like...maybe usable. But the wulfen i want to play cost as much as terminators and slap almost as hard as they did in 9e. It's weird for our maniac werewolves to be just be a mediocre chaff unit.

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Space Wolves really aren't a melee army, though? They have some decent melee but overall they're all about veterans and terminators.

@Dagenham_Swish

9 ай бұрын

Common misconception that they are a melee army, even by GW. They are and always have been a midrange, counterpunching army

day 5 asking for blood angels T__T

Sorry but this is just WAY off the mark. Fact is our named characters don't compare AT ALL with other factions for competitive play. If you compare Black Templars Grimaldus and Ragnar, who are more or less the same points, Grimaldus gives you all of Ragnar's buffs and much more... specifically advance and charge and general melee buffs (reroll hits and additional ap) to the UNIT, not just the model as is the case for Ragnar, and more (5+ FNP for the unit, etc.). Ragnar is less useful/has way less utility then a standard captain and its not even close. Grimnar might be the most expensive and yet least effective melee weapon in the entire game. His abilities are fine but his axe weapon profile is very underwhelming its literally a wet noodle with NO Keywords (its a demon axe... wth), consider how it wounds into anything of size (T9+). Bjorn is still overcosted with his vect getting nerfed. Solutions: The SW characters purely need a Key words or to be rewritten. If the vect nerf is undone then Bjorns sees play again otherwise he nees to drop another 30 points. Ragnars buffs need to apply to the unit he is attached to. Grimnar needs Keywords attached to his weapon, maybe like anti-monster anti-vehicle and dev wounds or just higher strength. Champions of Russ need to be applied if the bodyguard unit achieves the saga, and multiple in a turn. Wulfen are still terrible, they'd need to be 8pts a model (40 pts total) to be worth taking. With OC 0, their tankyness means nothing, even if they shred chaff infantry as you put it. the chaff units you mentioned are ~55-60 points, that is not a trade I want to try to make just to not claim an objective. Their damage 1 and low AP means they're not likely going to clear an objective anyways unless there is only chaff on the board (in the tank meta that seems unlikely). They're not remotely close to useful atm. You get way more utility from slightly more expensive units like Bladeguard veterans (which at the moment I and many other players are converting/kitbashing our Wulfen to and it passes WYSIWYG with the rules and base size). Solutions: A solid fix, for the "style of 10th edition", for Wulfen would be make their hammers S8, Damage 2, and enable them to be joined by a Chaplain (like they use to be able to back in the 3rd edition Eye of Terror Codex), who gives them +1 to wound and an OC of 1. This means if they do clear an objective they can in theory hold an objective. Thunderwolf spam is what we're going to see at competitive armies, but they are tanks and still not very effective in melee against things like lychguard, Abborants, terminators, other elite infantry which is what you want (because nothing else unique... like Wulfen... can go into these units). Sure you can buff them with WGBL and WL or some characters but they still dont have the output (math wise) compare to other unique elite units of other armies. As Art of War stated, we're only okay because we are Gladius with thunderwolves. Its a soulless time to be a space wolves player, you can see that in the tournament numbers, interest in the faction for competitive play is dying. General Solution: Instead of just points cuts, which frankly just leads to use A. having to bring way more models, and B. having to play sacrifice-hammer (feeding tons of crap models to the enemy and play around them), I'd love to see GW actually make fundamental changes to their index and buff their profiles because (again stated by AoW) their profiles are just sad and imo playing sacrifice-hammer 40k is not very fun.

@ruas4721

9 ай бұрын

Grimaldus is a broken piece of shit, bad comparison.

Awoo

Take Murderfang every game lads.

Still no flavor, so they still suck.

Bjorn the fell handed an absolute MONSTER in combat 😈 goes from 220 down to 180 points whereas the hive tyrant which would BUTCHERED by him combat has had a 15 point increase now 235 points 🤣🤣🤣 Really GW 🤡🤡🤡