Soyuz Clock Part 5: Spaceship Connections
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In this episode, we discover all the external functions of our Soyuz TM space clock, available through the 19-pin connector to the rest of the spaceship.
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The pictures on the nightlight represent the milestones in the history of the USSR. Very symbolic :-) I'm not sure if I got all of them, but here are at least most of them: * Lenin: the founding of the Bolshevik party (early 1900s) * 1917 and the ship: the October revolution, the signal for which was a shot fired from the cruiser Aurora (pictured) * horse riders: the civil war (1917 to mid 1920s) * tractor: the collectivization of the agriculture (late 1920s) * electric station: electification and industrialization, and specifically DneproGES (1930s) * figure with a page and rifles: the start of Great Patriotic War (WWII, 1941), more specifically a copy of the wartime poster "The Motherland Is Calling!" * sword breaking the swastika: the victory in Great Patriotic War (1945) * houses: rebuilding after the war (late 1940s) * ship: the first atomic icebreaker "Lenin" (I suppose, 1950s) * Gagarin:the spaceflight (1961) * Kremlin: 26th Assembly of the Communist Party (1981, this dates the manufacturing date of the lamp, between 1981 and 1986, when the 27th Assembly happened) * people with an atom symbol: symbolizes the future scientists It's interesting to notice that they haven't really found any notable events in the 20 years after Gagarin. It's also possible that the lamp was manufactured since 1960s, with the Party Assembly number changing over time. And a fun fact about the 26th and 27th Assembly: the typewriters in the USSR were obviously Cyrillic and lacked the Latin letters. Instead the Roman numerals were typed as similar-looking Cyrillic letters, and also the digit 1 was shaped as I. So XXVI and XXVII were actually typed as ХХУI and ХХУII. Which looks very similar to a rude word in Russian, and was a source of laugh at the time.
@CuriousMarc
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ananozytrgx
4 жыл бұрын
Больше половины не понял. Не мог бы ты на русском объяснить?
@sergeybabkin9614
4 жыл бұрын
@@ananozytrgx Что, молодое поколение уже не узнает всю эту советскую символику, которую в нас вбивали? Ну, это наверное хорошо. Краткая история СССР в картинках на лампе: * Ленин - основание компартии (1900-е) * 1917 и корабль - крейсер Аврора, выстрел с которого подал сигнал к революции * всадники (буденновцы) - гражданская война (1917-20е) * трактор - коллективизация (конец 20-х) * электростанция (ДнепроГЭС) - индустриализация и электрификация (1930-е) * женщина с бумагой и ружьями - начало Великой Отечественной Войны, плакат "Родина-мать зовет!" (1941) * меч разрубает свастику - победа в ВОВ (1945) * строительство - восстановление после войны (конец 1940-х) * корабль - первый атомный ледокол "Ленин" (видимо, 1950-е) * Гагарин - космос (1961) * Кремль - 26-й съезд КПСС (1981). это нам дает дату изготовления лампы, между 1981 и 1986 (когда прошел 27-й съезд) * люди с символом атома - учёные будущего Интересно заметить, что они не нашли событий в 20 лет после Гагарина (см. "застой"). Или возможно лампу изготавливали начиная с 60-х годов, меняя только номер последнего съезда КПСС, это было вполне типично для СССР. Забавная история про 26 и 27 съезды: В советские времена на пишущих машинках не было латинских букв, поэтому римские числа изображались буквами кириллицы, и еще цифра 1 выглядела как I. Пишущие машинки использовались повсеместно,в частности всевозможные пособия и инструкции тиражировались с машинописного текста. Любой документ начинался с восславления решений последнего съезда партии. Так вот, 26 писалось кириллически-римскими цифрами как ХХУI, а 27 - ХХУII, похоже на понятно какое слово, над чем много смеялись.
@jimmy_jamesjams_a_lot4171
3 жыл бұрын
Sergey Тндик уоц
@SergeyMorsin
Жыл бұрын
@Dragomir Ronilac In 1917 there were two of them - in February and in October. The first one was a revolution that had overthrown monarchy and the second one did the same with the provisional government. Of course by official soviet doctrine first one was called the February Bourgeois Revolution and the latter celebrated as the "real" Great October Socialist Revolution. In many cases the February revolution wasn't even mentioned in USSR and most people were taught that Lenin had overthrew the Tzar himself.
I’m sure the Russian designers of the clock would love what you’re doing.
8:00 - It was very funny. My domestic bears also laughed. I'm looking at you from Russia, Chelyabinsk city. Пока, мужики.
@vovanikotin
4 жыл бұрын
Не забудьте на ночь выключить свой ядерный реактор в подвале.
7:02 Looks like a sword chopping a swastika into pieces. Almost certainly a reference to winning WW2
@molitovv
4 жыл бұрын
Well spotted
@michaelsometest3474
4 жыл бұрын
And at 7:00 it's "The Motherland Calls" WWII poster, not Karl Marx.
@phuzz00
4 жыл бұрын
Although the smashed swastika looked like Tetris pieces which confused me.
@GeorgeTsiros
3 жыл бұрын
definitely
Checks his phone, has a message from the KGB: "Comrade Curiouski, your services are required by the government of the USSR. You will be teleported to the 1960s".
Here we are : the most precise and over complicated egg cooking in history.
@aserta
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, i could see something like that over my oven.
@DandyDon1
4 жыл бұрын
Not quite the same as a Swan Teasmade ;)
@DandyDon1
4 жыл бұрын
Add rubber hose to blow steam on your feet and wake you up in the morning... (Mr. Bean)
Eventually the Soyuz clock, the cesium clock source and a bunch of teletypes will all be interconnected - including the Sparkenmaschine and Apollo AGC. I have no doubts...
@aserta
4 жыл бұрын
Cartman's Trapper keeper.
@cianakril
4 жыл бұрын
Well, a few more pieces and it's ready for the moon.
@Tedd755
4 жыл бұрын
Я2D2
Fantastic job reverse engineering and getting the external clock working! One of my favorite channels. Keep up the great work!
8:42 "If Ken's reverse engineering is correct" BLASPHEMY!
@lutenic6111
4 жыл бұрын
@@raymonddompfrank1789 Well you will live but in Gulag!
@lutenic6111
4 жыл бұрын
@@raymonddompfrank1789 told ya!
Молодцы❤❤❤❤ берегите частичку истории покорения космоса 🎉🎉🎉🎉
I've pressed the like button with atomic precision in unison with the lamp. Thanks for making our quarantine more bearable, greetings from Italy
Isn't 400hz a standard aviation frequency? I seem to remember it from somewhere else....
@cambridgemart2075
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, also used on ships. Voltage can typically be 28V, 56V or 115V.
@allangibson8494
4 жыл бұрын
Yes - a lot of old school gyros and aircraft AC motors run on 400Hz (including the WW2 V2 missiles guidance system). Common enough that a variable speed drives will run out to 400Hz.
Your back-engineering is cool. And humor
Beautiful piece of technology, I've never been this excited to see a clock
I just love the respect all of you have for each other... "Master Ken" is perfect example! I am in awe of your talents!
What a wonderful story, so much fun to watch, thank you Marc!
Great work as usual Ken! And great video explanation as well!
Hallo from Ostrava in Czech Republic Super work your videos !!!
Love these videos, keeps me entertained while im locked out of the computer museum.
Just brilliant, thank you for making this series.
If one day you gonna stop this videos coming i will never forgive you Marc.
The circuit at 3:27 is a blocking oscillator. In that configuration it would oscillate freely, sending pulses to the secondary winding to be read by the digital gate.
I was an electrical engineer briefly in college before moving to mechanical so much of this goes over my head but it still fascinates me. Worth every penny I send and every second.
At 6:59 this is not actually a Karl Marx picture. This is a Great Patriotic War era poster "Motherland calls". The next on the right is the sword breaking swastika, i guess from the Soldier-Liberator statue in Berlin.
thats a very 3:26 common circuit found in space electronics i basically use it daily in my designs but also with just two winding that also works. Very simple and good for isolation telemetry signals in Space electronics
Marvelous work, ty guys nice serie :)
Nicely done. I'd never have thought of giving it bursts.
@SeanBZA
4 жыл бұрын
Transformer coupling, and with such a small transformer 1Hz pulses will be hard to recover from any induced noise. Better to have a good signal to start with, that you can use envelope detection on instead.
I love this channel!!
I love all the Russia humor! I was obsessed with the movie 2010 when I was a kid and took Russian in college. I also had a PC version of Tetris! Great stuff.
7:01 "Im sure this means something..." Yeah as a german i can tell you it representsv quite an important event in 1945 haha
Really cool upload ☺👌👍
Great work! I love to watch these videos. Will Ken eventually provide more details of his reverse engineering on his blog? Especially in the way of schematics? I'm very curious to see how the schematic of this sowjet-space-clock is designed.
8:06 lmao I love everything about this
Looks like the transistor circuit is an oscillator to convert the DC input into AC to pass through the transformer.
@John_L
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's what I thought. What fun reverse engineering things like this!
@Derundurel
4 жыл бұрын
I agree. It's a blocking oscillator.
Very interesting video. The clock is quite complicated in details. In the mean time, I recently reverse engineered a clock from Boeing 747, P/N A15808. It used filament displays from Wamco while also had an electromechnical stopwatch. The clock used no MCU either, but a bunch of CMOS SSI and MSIs. It doesn't have internal timebase but requires an external 60Hz input. What's more interesting is that the clock has timestamp output as RZ code, which I guess most probably would be used by the flight data recorder or transponder.
@Derundurel
4 жыл бұрын
The RZ code is probably ARINC-429, common on aircraft even today.
Question is if you start it with the front panel, will the external start control stop it, or will it reset it to zero and then start counting up again from zero. Same if stopped from front panel, will external start control do the same. The clock requirement is not too strange, given the transformer coupling, you would have your 2Hz signal driving a relay in the timebase generator, that then gated the local 28VAC 400Hz bus, to give a tone burst to the clock, so that any faults are easy to detect just by listening for the tone using a capacitive probe near the clock wiring. Relay of course, as those little avionics rated relays are small, and will easily do a million cycles at 28VAC 50mA of contact current, and the coil probably was driven from a 2Hz 5V logic level, likely switched by the Soviet clone of a 2N2222A transistor. IIRC relay part number was EBDC28V22-5 for the 5V coil variant, I changed many of them. 28V rated, 2 changeover contacts, 5v coil, in a soldered hermetic case, and coil voltages were 5V, 12v and 28V, with the coil in the higher voltage ranges being wound with enamelled nichrome wire.
6:59 - There is a poster from 1941 "Motherland is calling!" 7:01 - "This means sometthing" - Of course it means victory over Nazi Germany. It depicts a sword over the wreckage of the swastika.
It's the perfect egg timer !!
Хорошо придумали ребята😃. Привет из России✌️. Ваш канал супер 👍🏻
"We are going to connect an America HP atomic clock to a Soyuz USSR clock!" All of the Soviet Union: "Wait, that's illegal!"
@larryscott3982
4 жыл бұрын
It’s Dr Strangelove. When the US clock and CCCP clock meet, the doomsday machine is activated. It’ll create a time warp in the space/time continuum.
@cianakril
4 жыл бұрын
Half of the Soviet electronics was just a clone copies of American one. I'll be just fine, probably as intended.
@rkan2
4 жыл бұрын
@@cianakril And a lot of that probably have common German origins...
Would those external inputs have been signaled from the ground by radio, or by some other sequencer/timer, or engine control system just to display duration of a burn, or what?
Looking at this from the available equipment in the spacecraft, what would make a signal like that? 400hz was to be expected because of aircraft technology, but what would be the "standard" for powering a clock like this?
No Lap Display on the Stop Watch! I would have included that so you can see how much your orbit time is (even though ground radar gave the crew the time more precisely down to 0.6 seconds (as entered into the Globus).
Wow new vid!
Would the difference in duty cycle between the internal oscillator and your external oscillator make much of a difference?
Is that stripped out Ethernet cable? :)
@160rpm
4 жыл бұрын
Those twisted pairs are great for this kind of stuff, they tend to stay in place
@EudesRJ
4 жыл бұрын
You can identify the real pro by their use of ethernet cables on their projects 😉
Hey! The flag spins backward. Happy poisson d'avril!
Great video. Hey, it would be great to launch model Rockets. My Stop Watch would also have Lap Time and Count Down modes.... aaah, I'll just use an Arduino UNO R3.
Another GREAT video ! Is there anything that you guys can't figure out ? lol
400 Hz had to be expected somehow: it's pretty common in aircraft avionics. I wouldn't wonder if other parts in the spacecraft, especially gyros, derived from aircraft parts. Some parts in the Apollo spacecrafts had that history. I see no reason why the Soviets didn't do the same.
@SeanBZA
4 жыл бұрын
Being Soviet I would say 500Hz, as a nice multiple of decimals, plus you can shave a few grams off of the mass of the core and copper for the same power. As it is generated by a local inverter set off of a 28VDC bus and battery, and not by any sort of rotating equipment bus, using a higher frequency would be simple. avionics standardised on 400Hz because that was easy to attain off a rotating piston engine PTO gearbox, and was within the limits of the steel cores of the times, so it got baked in. Anything from 380- 440Hz will work frequency wise, the avionics that uses it for signals always uses a sampling clock derived from the reference signal. Fun thing is the external power connector has a protection relay, that disconnects power if the external AC bus frequency or voltage is out of tolerance. Unfortunately the protection circuits are powered from that external bus, and one user found out the expensive way that plugging in 50Hz mains did not activate the protection relay to disconnect that AC input bus from the avionic busses.
@FrancSchiphorst
4 жыл бұрын
The 400Hz was probably the first frequency that worked with the integrator. I should work at higher frequencies and then may drop of again once you go high enough.
@SeanBZA
4 жыл бұрын
@@FrancSchiphorst Probably will work up to around 2kHz, the steel cores will be getting quite lossy at around 20kHz unless they used a very good quality magnetic core, simply because of the increased eddy currents in them.
@FrancSchiphorst
4 жыл бұрын
@@SeanBZA thanks. I assume the cores will be good looking at the rest of the build but they would be engineered with the lower frequency in mind.
@Derundurel
4 жыл бұрын
@@FrancSchiphorst Yes, I think 400 Hz is the minimum frequency.
AC driven secondary clock is weird. But 500 hz was common power system for military/aerospace application.
I MUST HAVE THAT LAMP!!
I had this lamp, but I disassembled it as a child to see what's inside :)
Where that external time base comes from in the original ship? Is it possible it comes from a land station tied to an atomic clock?
The switch guards look strikingly similar to the handles on McIntosh audio amplifiers. Their knobs look 1960s IBM.
Янки баттонс! Чуть под стол не сполз 😁👍 Спасибо!
Have you tried to start/stop the clock with the SAME switch?
how would this clock get programmed with Moscow time ? would it be manual? or would the external clocking circuit understand a programming signal? as well as the stopwatch ? just like the DSKY on the AGC giving a countdown to push a button.
@cianakril
4 жыл бұрын
Watch the Part 2 or 3.
$200,000 give or take, to create a suitable external clock. Excellent work reverse engineering this thing - very very impressive, even for you guys!
I am guessing the reason for using the transformer coupled blocking oscillator isolation on the external start/stop is because opto-couplers are too sensitive to radiation?
7:01 - breaking the Nazism Man, this clock is so cool!
What happens if you start the clock on the console and then the ship starts it? Will it restart from zero?
At 9:20 is that an HP15 calculator?
I like the flag waving. Well done.
Marc, where did you get the 19 pin connector. I suppect it was not at FRY's.
@CuriousMarc
4 жыл бұрын
Ken got it from eBay from Eastern Europe. I mates, but it's an imitation, not the real thing. Flimsy non-military connector, with some plastic parts. It got us connected though and was very inexpensive.
@CuriousMarc
4 жыл бұрын
BTW did you see I used the polar TTY relay you gave me in the last video with the coherer receiver? Worked like a treat after a bit of adsjutment. Thanks a lot!
Need to make a 3d printable + airbrush paintable version of that lamp.
@someoneelse7629
4 жыл бұрын
And the clock face with something modern in it to show time and an countdown timer
The most expensive egg timer ever assembled.
Maybe pressing the start button acts as a stop button when the clock is running? Did you try that?
@CuriousMarc
4 жыл бұрын
The single button on the clock itself (for the Cosmonauts) works like this. On the external interface, the buttons (or signals more exactly) have just one function only.
Why is there a delay present after you turn the clock on? The digits does not appear immediately.
@CuriousMarc
3 жыл бұрын
It's by design. There is a turn on timer circuit in the power supply. Not sure why they did that though.
Where did you get that Soyuz clock module from, and how much did it cost?
@larryscott3982
4 жыл бұрын
Find part 1 of the series. But I believe it was expensive.
400hz is a weird frequency. Is it not just looking for a timed square wave signal? Or does the 400hz square reduce noise somehow?
@cambridgemart2075
4 жыл бұрын
400Hz is very common in aviation and naval applications
@larryscott3982
4 жыл бұрын
Most airliners cockpit run on 400 Hz AC. Like 120V 400Hz AC.
Brilliant! 😁😂
Does it need 400hz @ 2hz repetition, or just a burst of 400hz twice a second?
@JoeySchmidt74
2 жыл бұрын
Are those not the same thing?
is it not 27V powered?
But how can you make this precise if human has to enter the time? Can a machine enter the time?
@afriedli
4 жыл бұрын
"Can a machine enter the time?" It's a 1 second resolution interval timer, but can be triggered externally, including by the flight control computer (e.g. It was mentioned in the narrative that the timer was used to control the duration of engine firings). It's not clear whether the duration can be set externally, but I would guess that it can through one or more of the four I/O pins whose function was not described.
@larryscott3982
4 жыл бұрын
It’s not a question of ‘precise’ but ‘accurate’. Manual setting of the ‘correct’ time, then the 1 Hz sync. So manual setting would have to be within 0.5 seconds. Maybe.
I imagine a bunch of people sitting around a table building several clocks in an assembly line style, it's a old dusty room because the staff are so intent on building the clocks. They are not worried about the world around them. The staff all have PhD's in electrical engineering. There's a sign on the wall that says, " You don't watch the clock, the clock watches you"
@cianakril
4 жыл бұрын
Electronics assembly lines just can't be dusty by default. Nor were it old till the 80es.
@cianakril
4 жыл бұрын
Also, you are mixing up actual Soviet work posters with Orwell's book. They would typically have working ethics advices or the inspiring quotes from the party assemblies. Nothing intimidating or threatening.
@tim_bbq1008
4 жыл бұрын
I know my American imagination is wrong, but it is what i imagined. Didn't mean to insult anyone.
cool
6:47 Vladimir Lenin, the cruiser "Aurora" (gave the signal to storm the Winter Palace in 1917 with his shot), cavalrymen of the Red Army in 1918 (they fought with the White Guards loyal to the tsar), the tractor of the 20s model symbolizes mechanization in the countryside (tsarist Russia was 80% agrarian and horse traction and manual labor were used), above the tractor there are three elevator towers for storing grain, a hydroelectric power station (tsarist Russia lived without electricity for 99%), the famous poster of the artist Toidze "Motherland Calls" (1941 Hitler's attack on the USSR), cutting a sword the fascist swastika (Great Victory 1945), Building a peaceful life and restoring everything destroyed by the war, the first nuclear icebreaker "Lenin" (today it is a museum), the first man in space Yuri Gagarin, "House of Soviets" in the Kremlin and Roman numerals meaning the 26th Congress of the Communist Party USSR 1981 (souvenir from this period).
i almost heard some "misa criolla" in the intermission... hehe
у нас много еще всякой электроники ))
By Marχ'ς bεard! All oυr mιghτy sεrcrετs rεvεalεd arε for ενεryonε τo sεε by τhosε ιmpεrιaliςτς!
9:23 thought you sped it up
You now have no excuse for eggs cooked to anything other than perfection!
I'm perplexed over the internal xtal circuit, how come it's so inaccurate?
@Derundurel
4 жыл бұрын
That's been discussed before. It seems to be very crude, with little thought to layout. The connections to the crystal are quite long, and run close to other logic. This periodically disturbs the waveform, making the oscillator particularly inaccurate. It would appear to be only a backup system, so not much attention was paid to accuracy.
@mattiassarling5664
4 жыл бұрын
@@Derundurel Ok, I would understand if this clock was used in a train or similar, but in a spacecraft? Seems like poor design IMHO, but maybe I'm not seeing the complete picture.
@Derundurel
4 жыл бұрын
@@mattiassarling5664 Yes, I think you are right. However, in normal use the external clock provides a much better reference so the crystal circuit is irrelevant. I suspect the clock doesn't have to be vary accurate in any case if the only goal is to complete the next segment of the mission.
@cianakril
4 жыл бұрын
Internal clock is a back up system that would be used in rare occasions for a duration of time smaller than the error margin.
Да питание 28 вольт 400ГЦ,стандарт для авиации,и космонавтики.
@user-bi2ke8hd3p
4 жыл бұрын
@@mg-gk2dm 115в да знаю,но 427HZ где используется.
It's funny, but it works.
Demo of the earlier Analog clock... I actually thing it is a bit more elegant... Russian Soyuz spacecraft clock "БЧК" kzread.info/dash/bejne/p4hhxJJwc6m8eto.html All solenoid driven, which I suppose was from the ship's main frequency source.
Ahhhh... got some mainframe ascii art datasets printed out there~!
I guess, in U.S. you have much more USSR then here in Russia :D
I don't understand why people down-vote things like this. Are they trolls? Do they down-vote everything? Do they hate everyone? (a reasonable response, but you need to at least meet people and have a reason first IMO) Are Amish down-voting anything with technology? (I guess that would presume Internet access) Is their channel with videos of mud just lying there doing nothing not getting enough votes? Is a doorknob the pinnacle of tech for them, and they struggle with it? I just don't know..
Walmart sells timers made in China that can do that for about $10.00 LOL
Great video, but how is your wife handling all the soviet era symbolism?
@CuriousMarc
4 жыл бұрын
Actually she thought the clock was cute. Did not bring the bad PTSD memories like the flag.
@ntsecrets
4 жыл бұрын
@@CuriousMarc nice! she's a lucky gal to have access to so much neat stuff!
They use a stick to push buttons during launch, cant hit those built in buttons easily with a stick
Русские вперёд!)
@user-tk9qx3eo9y
Жыл бұрын
В перёд, это будет точнее.
U have gloves on.... Hope u don't drop something on your feet ...... safety shoes
Наши бы давно на металл сдали и пропили.
Блин, американец нашел штепсель и вилку, а я не могу этого сделать. Какого блин хрена.
I think that pile of HP kit to run the clock probably cost more when new than a complete Soyuz...... :)
Такую страну просрали наши воры, аж грустно, ведь у меня в детстве был такой ночник )))
Not first this time but rather the 666th viewer lol