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Sound comparison of Lofi-12 and Lofi-6
LIVEN Lofi-6, a limited edition of 500 units in collaboration with Perfect Circuit: sonicware.jp/p... www.perfectcir...
LIVEN Lofi-12 version 2.1: sonicware.jp/p...
【ナレーションの日本語訳】
Lofi-6はLofi-12のサンプリング・レートを6kHzに変えただけの製品ではありません。
それぞれの製品コンセプトは異なり、サウンド・エンジンも異なります。
ご存知の通り、Lofi-12はデジタル録音で発生するエイリアス・ノイズがサウンドのポイントです。
一方、Lofi-6は昔のアナログ機器から出ていたサウンドを目指して開発されています。Lofi-6では、デジタル特有のエリアス・ノイズを抑えるために、各トラックに特別な処理を施しています。
この処理のために、カセットテープ・シミュレーターのハム・ノイズ効果を削らざるを得ませんでした。
また、Lofi-6に真空管アンプ・シミュレーター・モード用のリソースを確保するために、Lofi-12のトラック毎にある12bitサンプラー・モードを無くしています。
それでは、実際の音を聴いてみてください。
#SONICWARE #LivenLofi #Lofi6 #Lofi12 #sampler #Groovebox #12bit
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I can’t wait to get mine !! Fantastic job Sonicware thank you 🙏 , Just when ya thought it couldn’t get better then the 12, ya made the 6. Both have there own charm, I love the new analog sound of the 6 just because it’s so unique and different.
I can't wait for mine to arrive
The Lofi-6 sounds so warm like an old tube radio from my grandparents. I like it. Lofi-6 is now the 6th Liven in my collection of all Sonicware gears ;)
@SONICWARE
11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!🥰
@unsungc740
11 ай бұрын
@@SONICWARE I made a mistake and recorded over Pattern Preset Bank 1 #5 SEA ASMR-ish 'By the sea' sample track 1 on the Lofi-6. Is there anyway I can get the default sample back?
@SONICWARE
11 ай бұрын
@@unsungc740 You can download all the preset samples from here: sonicware.jp/pages/downloads?id=s-9a2db80b-c976-4655-991b-d7ef47972aa0
@unsungc740
11 ай бұрын
@@SONICWARE Thanak you! I new to midi controllers. I previous downloaded the preset samples and didn't see any file names that matched "SEA ASMR-ish" so I thought it was something I needed to do different. I ordered a midi cable so I can restore the lofi back to factory settings. Thank you again for your response!
@unsungc740
11 ай бұрын
@@SONICWARE Thank you so much!
I actually prefer the 12 over the six. Just wish there was more sampling time available but paired up with longer samples on the sp404 mk2 it's a great setup.
@tehabnorm
Жыл бұрын
I have no issue with sampling time , I just speed up the vinyl , the sample seems even more lo-fi ( an old sp1200 trick)
@HazeAnderson
11 ай бұрын
@@tehabnorm Pitch shifting is indeed the special sauce. 😏🌶
Why not both! I can understand why it’s a limited run. If it was just a competing product, I think most would opt for the lofi-12 anyway since not so extreme. This gives the opportunity for extra ridiculous lofi to those of us that felt the lofi-12 was not lofi enough. I’m looking forward to pairing the two for 8 tracks of lofi goodness.
@HazeAnderson
11 ай бұрын
"I think most would opt for the lofi-12 ... " right? If this were mass produced I think there would be even more complainers because the masses don't understand HOW to use extreme lo fi! 😆👾
@wetwater90
3 сағат бұрын
Inb4 1 bit lofi
The Lo-fi 6 is more aesthetically appealing to me. Thanks 🙏
The 6 just sounds heavily filtered with some kinda mid-range distortion circuit. But the top end cannot be recovered. The 12 still gives you the top end with a nice sizzle, and you can get close to the 6 using filters and distortion onboard the 12. The 12 for me all day long
hopefully there are some units left by the time I'm able to save some money. a lot of people hating on the sound, but i think this would be perfect for vaporwave , signalwave , broken transmission type stuff
Sorry, not convinced. The 12 still sounds better. Nice colour scheme though. Very 1950's.
I love my Lofi 12!
for every day use the Lofi 12 is better, but the Lofi 6 does sound really nice in certain applications. I don't like it much for drums / percussion but vocals and chords / melodies sound pretty good. like listening to an old record player from the 50s. has a nice warmth to it from the tube amp simulator.
I wasn't able to keep it because I had other financial responsibilities but the Lofi 12 is so good. Putting velocity on a dedicated potentiometer and being able to sequence it per step to create groove is really really good. Plus the sound is way above it's looks and price.
imo the problem is, with filtering the noise out of the 6 it just makes it sound muffled and, well, like its got a low pass filter on it. Can't hear much of the crunchiness so it seems a bit pointless, but it does sound pretty nice on the melodic sample. The 12 sounds really nice though.
@DurtyCardiologist
2 ай бұрын
That's kind of the point....it's supposed to sound like sh*t
@SONICWARE I have a request for the next firmware update for the Lofi 12 / 6. Something I think would bring it to the next level for live performances and make it so it completely blows the Volca Sample out of the water... The ONLY thing (in my opinion) that the Volca Sample has going for it that The Lofi 12 / 6 are missing is its 10 tracks for mixing the drums / samples, besides that it is superior in every way. You have 10 voice polyphony just like the Volca Sample, however unlike the Sample you only have 4 tracks, whereas it has 10. Well.. I think you can get around this and you've basically already done most of the work when you added Drum and Chop modes. Give us the ability to mute the sample slices from those modes on command. Maybe in the Drum / Chop mode we can hit shift and the sequence button above the key that the slice is played from to turn that slices volume to 0 / mute it. Then it's all still on the same track, but it's like having multiple tracks inside the track. Make sense? Like how you have the Bass and Beats set up, just letting us use the sequence buttons above it (but using shift, or function, or shift and function together, or a global setting or something to put it in a mode to mute them on command). Then we can mix the drums live, cut the kick, solo the hi hat, but all inside one track using a single sample. This would let us get the max out of the polyphony and drum beats without adding additional tracks. I think it can be done without a ton of new code. you can probably modify some code from the bass & beats and you've already coded up the most important part, the Drum and Chop modes. I honestly think if you guys can do an update like this the Lofi 12's sales could explode. Just a suggestion 😇
@SONICWARE
11 ай бұрын
Thank you for your suggestion. You want to mute each slice, correct?
@xgskrillax
11 ай бұрын
@@SONICWARE yes the ability to mute individual slices on the tracks in drum or chop mode (solo would be cool too but if can only do one or other mute is most important) would be a game changer. Then if i had it in drum mode I could cut out the kick and snare or whatever without affecting the rest of the slices on that track and then build up to a drop and bring them back in, all without changing the pattern or track. Similar to how the rythym track is set up on the bass&beats but using sample slices. It would add a lot of depth and flexibility to live performances and save us from having to create new patterns or put drums (or whatever) on multiple tracks just to cut out certain sounds. If the firmware was open source and in javascript (lol i'm sure it isnt) I would be willing to try and code it, but it's probably in C++ and I'd probably make a mess. But I'm thinking you all could modify some of the code from the rythym track on the Bass&Beats to implement this, making it a much easier than writting it from scratch. Tldr: yes 😅
@SONICWARE
11 ай бұрын
@@xgskrillax I got it, thanks! I will pass your suggestion to the development team. 🙏
6 for drums. 12 for sound samples
@HazeAnderson
11 ай бұрын
that crash ride tho ... 😆
@xgskrillax
11 ай бұрын
I'm in the exact opposite camp.. it's all subjective though
@atetraxx
3 ай бұрын
6 for drums no way.
@Eli_B3000
2 ай бұрын
12 for drums, the 6 for samples
I love 12 bit.
The 12 sounds way better. I record to cassette anyway. The 6 is redundant
i am curious to know how many units of the bassnbeats sold? these machines are mass produced but sonicware are acting like a boutique company. i may be wrong but putting a 500 limit on orders either implies that sonicware did not have very high hopes for this device, witch in my opinion is way more appealing then the bassnbeats, or it is just a quick cash grab to make people buy the same machine they bought 4 months ago, and guarantee they get all the orders right now. why not do a preorder to gauge how many initial units people would want like in the past? or do a limited edition version like with bassnbeats, that only changes color of keys. why not put out two versions of lofi6, the exclusive light blue one for perfect circuit and a regular one? are you only selling 500 units of each liven? surely 500 is not enough for everyone who would want one to get one? so its more beneficial to you to force everyone who is interested to spend the money now, than it is to get this machine that you and your team worked so hard to produce in as many hands as possible? Is the only point in making these to make money? wouldn't you rather sell 5000?
I like the 12. by the way if I download your samples pack into the 12 they will smash the original samples? Thanks.
@SONICWARE
Жыл бұрын
Does the samples pack mean "Preset 80 samples" or "v2 Preset 8 Drum kits samples"? These are methods of importing any sample into the desired slot. The version 2.1 Updater does not include samples, so don't worry about replacing your samples.
@RuiGon1
Жыл бұрын
@@SONICWARE Thanks.
You should've added examples of the samples with that sonic maximizer on, since it's positioned as a remedy for the cut hi end...
@SONICWARE
Жыл бұрын
Thank you. S.Maximizer settings vary, but are applied to all samples.
@sonomute
Жыл бұрын
@@SONICWARE you mean in this video? hm...how does it sound without it then? because here's no high end whatsoever...
@sonomute
Жыл бұрын
Ah, whatever, in stop excited about this little box, need something for the atmosphere in the tracks
@SONICWARE
Жыл бұрын
@@sonomute I want to take advantage of the natural sound of 6kHz sampling, so I don't apply S.Maximizer too strongly, I applied the appropriate values like this: - Drums: Freq 5, Amount 127 - Electric piano: Freq 127, Amount 20 - Male vocals: Freq 20, Amount 30 Thank you.
@sonomute
Жыл бұрын
@@SONICWARE thanks for the details! I'm planning to use this machine for experimenting with sounds and making some electronic music, trying to understand how will it sound beforehand, at least approximately. I'm converting samples to 16bit 6000hz in audio editor. This definitely takes off the high end and doesn't really add any artifacts, I thought these 'lofi' digital samplers were all about artifacts? We need more examples of sound design made with these machines, I don't want one just to muffle everything in my sound...
any chance the lofi 6 will be released not as a limited edition?
@SONICWARE
11 ай бұрын
Sorry, no 🙏
This sounds like a SP-202 on the LoFi 1/2 setting....but with better FX
NoFi-6
Y'all made this for me didn't ya? 😏🤖🧑🔬
You Should have explained this from the get go!
Hmmm. Something's wrong here. If you have a sampling rate of 6khz, embrace it! Don't put tape filtering and saturation. 6k noise is a wonderful thing so why hide it? And if you wanted to recreate the sound of tapes, tapes are not at 6k so it doesn't sound like old tape either.
I'll go with Lofi-12... soon :) It will play nice with PO33. Sadly this is bye, bye to VSAMPLE (great gear after PAJEN♥firmware btw)
we want the LoFi-6 available in EUROPE as well!!! why the LoFi-12 yes and the LoFi-6 not?
that's not even the biggest issue, sure you can argue that they are different enough to justify a new device, but the limited run is still real fkd. Some people that might want to buy it, even if they have the 12 too, are being forced to buy it now or miss out forever. give sonicware your money now and starve, or eat and miss out on owning this cool device from a company you love.
I would love to add the Lofi-6 to my other five Livens. I don't love the price ($300 + 20% Vat + $70 shipping to the UK + $20 Fedex/UPS customs processing fee = >£360). It's not worth £360 - UK's Juno Records currently offer the Lofi-12 on sale for
@SonicVibe
Жыл бұрын
Perfect circuit had no shipping cost maybe it’s different for the UK
@dinogoldie9716
Жыл бұрын
@@SonicVibe Perfect Circuit's advertised "free shipping" applies only to sales within The USA. When I added a lofi-6 to my PC basket and did the "estimate shipping" thing, it gave me two prices for shipping to the UK (approx $63 and $69). That's not including the FedEx handling/processing fee (approx $20) and of course the VAT and customs fees (at least $60). Obviously Sonicware can't do anything about taxes/duty but the Perfect Circuit exclusivity deal is bad news for us non-US/non-Japan folk.
@G.Man-
11 ай бұрын
Shame i didn't see your post three weeks ago, Juno's Lofi-12 price has gone upt to around £249 now
And I really don't need this thing, but I'm such a marketing victim lol... Plus, I like the mint color more, and it doesn't have that aura of 'youtube hip-hop producer' wannabe, not yet anyways...
I'm having a TERRIBLE EXPERIENCE with sonicware sales team, first couldn't order to my country, and they wouldn't reply to any of my emails. I had to order to my friend's address in Malaysia, where these units are actually produced. Upon receiving the package but hearing from the demos how bad and uninspiring lofi-6 sounds(notice how everyone who's demoing them washing them in lots of FX) I've decided to return it, unopened still, but they're making me send it to JAPAN although I've received it domestically. Obviously they're trying to make me change my mind....I can not recommend anyone to buy their products, it just not worth the trouble frankly, go with a company that actually cares for their customers...
I'm not sure if they realized it after making the lofi 12 but at the you take the two times the money From the same People right now its kinda tough to say,or to stay a Reason why you shouldnt buy a lofi 6 instatt a 12. Nasty equipment here
@gustavgunz1877
Жыл бұрын
@@Javeton I had one writing this
@GizzyDillespee
Жыл бұрын
Just like back in the day - Emu, Akai, Ensoniq, Roland, Casio etc... people usually own multiple samplers... Maybe you would tend to use 1 of these "Lofi" boxes for drums, and the other one for harmonic material... and if you're jamming, you want to hear both at the same time... and if possible, you'd want to have separate controls for each. And then, these samplers cost less than the old ones did, without even considering inflation. I could actually see an additional "Lofi" sampler, with a different character than either of these. I don't like the idea of "limited edition". I would prefer if Sonicware said something like "initial run of 500", and then were open to more if they sell out pretty quickly. But maybe PC commissioned it exactly this way, and exclusivity was part of the deal? I wouldn't be mad at Sonicware, tho. I just hope people who want one for making music, can get one for a reasonable price. I think 500 should be enough, but if they catch on, you never know...
@spectralknights2
Жыл бұрын
@@GizzyDillespeeit's the same company dude what's wrong with you. Ur talking about different companies making samplers before
A cheap phone can do more than both of these combined.