So Sony has managed to reduce cost with a smaller chip and heat sink but still increase the price...

@3DJLab

Жыл бұрын

Wafers are more expensive than previously as TSMC has increased prices. Yes they can fit more chips to the wafer but i doubt they are paying any less per chip.

@killermatico27

Жыл бұрын

They increase the price everywhere but North américa, so, what's the problem if You don't Will pay more?, Thats a problem for other countrys

@Otto45

Жыл бұрын

@@killermatico27 Not North America, Only in the USA because of the stability of their currency. Price was still increased for Canada.

@Entertainment-Gaming-Grandad

Жыл бұрын

@purppinkdeth price if everything isn't increasing stop making excuses for Sony

@niks660097

Жыл бұрын

@@3DJLab TSMC hasn't increased older nodes prices like 7nm or 6nm, only top of line nodes like 3nm, 4nm and 5nm, you are gobling up sony marketing lies like a good console fan, while everything else including GPU, CPU, RAMs is dropping in price..

It all makes sense. Every time they make a revision, they use a newer chip that is more efficient meeting their same specs.

We all make mistakes, Austin. In this case you made a honest one. Personally, I loved seeing you stick to your thought and see it through. Keep it up 👍

@NamelessPassenger

Жыл бұрын

It just effect people who could buy 1100 back in 2021 but then saw that video and skip it. 😂😂😂😂 no real lost because people still hunting ps5 for years.

@ellienyan

Жыл бұрын

i joined sony's queue in july and ordered mine in september

@beckergrey

Жыл бұрын

@@NamelessPassenger Ya, that's true 😅

@VonDutchNL

Жыл бұрын

@@beckergrey Ive had numerous chances to buy a Ps5, its even in stores here. I don't see the point over getting that overhyped thing since it has no games and is weaker than PC or Series X. On top of that I hate the Toxic Sony community and Delusional Ponies. Nobody's hunting either anymore.

@Mega2stupid

Жыл бұрын

@@VonDutchNL wow, you must live under a rock.

I was really looking forward to this video! Congratulations on your courage and commitment to your subscribers!

Also, the reason why Sony likely didn't just make a "slim" console now is because they've already got molds for their current design and likely have already manufactured tons and tons of the existing shells. Also, from what I'm hearing it sounds like Sony is going to completely revamp the PS5 again next year to convert it from two SKUs into just one with a separate detachable blu-ray drive which can easily be added in later. This will likely become the PS5 "slim" version and will likely become the version most associated with the system if they then stick with that design even for 2 years because the sales will likely be much higher than these past two years given all the shortages which only just NOW seem to be coming to an end.

@WayStedYou

Жыл бұрын

Also the slim Ps4 and xbox one S went from 200+ watts and 28nm to 16nm and using 80 watts. this is barely any power reduction, they need to wait for 5nm which they wont be doing any time soon.

@dericjames2018

Жыл бұрын

Can't wait for the new PS5 Slim design and improvements.

@ProtectusCZ

Жыл бұрын

@@WayStedYou stop overexaggerating. Launch models of PS4 and Xbox One used 120W at max. That’s nowhere near the 200W of XSX/PS5. Also power supply is not equal to power draw.

@thatkojoguy279

9 ай бұрын

This man predicted the new PS5

@junyako4ever

9 ай бұрын

bra predicted it

I can't wait to see what the slim version would look like and how much smaller it would be. Glad to know that the 1200 is the best version as well 👍🏼

@m.m.3753

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, if not another comes out. Like 1300 xD with only 150 Watts xD

@mccesar8823

Жыл бұрын

Get dem Kids a Slim version as if they pick their ps5 up for a walk all day.and get real people a ps5 pro that csn finaly play 4 k cause ps5 is outdated

@danteortega6510

Жыл бұрын

If you haven’t seen it, DIY perks made his own slim and it’s gorgeous

@alexv5581

Жыл бұрын

@@danteortega6510 I bet it's cooling is trash and will damage internals. There is a function and purpose behind the size of the ps5. This systems pack serious hardware that require excellent cooling solutions.

@leighmorgan2959

Жыл бұрын

@@alexv5581 nah he basically just removed the power brick, which defeats the purpose because the power brick takes up just as much apace so was a bit pointless

I really appreciate when you bought a new ps5 1100 model to check if your Playstation (1100) are being more watts usage and it was !

@TecraX2

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the most informative part of this video was that it showed what impact the "Silicon Lottery" can have!

@RetroBacon1

Жыл бұрын

@@TecraX2 it was really stupid that he didn't just open one up.

@TecraX2

Жыл бұрын

@@RetroBacon1 Or at least Googled it, even I knew Sony had switched to 6nm process with their latest revision. But I didn't know that there could be such a big discrepancy in power draw between different units within the same revision!

@RetroBacon1

Жыл бұрын

@@TecraX2 that's true!

@dericjames2018

Жыл бұрын

Why is that since it was lower 1 year ago.

I don't see any mistakes, you have money, curiosity and the power to discover things, so im glad you did all of this 😂

@ghomerhust

Жыл бұрын

and brought us along for the ride

@Qwerty-uiop

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@Theunicorn2012

Жыл бұрын

I don't see any mistakes, you have money, curiosity and the power to discover things, so im glad you did all of this 😂

@Qwerty-uiop

Жыл бұрын

@@Theunicorn2012 copy paste 🤣

@kiyoponnn

Жыл бұрын

it was a mistake but he probably recouped the losses from the ad revenue

I think this video is good as it is, Austin really pushes the quality and pushes what he can do, always. And sometimes that leads him to be super hard and critical on himself. I like this. Good work Austin.

considering sony had problems with supply, makes sense that they lowered the standard for the binning.

@austinevans

Жыл бұрын

exactly this

@WaffleTM420

Жыл бұрын

@@austinevans no

@dericjames2018

Жыл бұрын

@@WaffleTM420 Yes

@WaffleTM420

Жыл бұрын

@@dericjames2018 no

@NormalHumanLikeYou

Жыл бұрын

@@WaffleTM420 ratio

It makes perfect sense. Its a revised SOC on a new process node. Bringing reduced power draw and thus. Reduced thermal output. Just like the PS4 slim and Xbox one S

@WayStedYou

Жыл бұрын

nowhere near the ps4 slim and xbox one S they went from 28nm to 16nm and went from 200w to 80 watts

The fact that you never lay the 3 models out in release order from left to right sets my OCD off the rails!

So this is what Super Man vision sees. Good research and discovery of the difference of the latest PS5 compared to the 1100 PS5. Thank you for all your hard work to figure this out. As it made for an enjoyable and suspenseful watch.

for just being a Singaporean electronic 2nd year engineer student who knows basic stuff about circuitry I think the 1200 model APU circuitry is much more optimized for power usage such as lesser copper lines used for more optimization and lesser errors and probably newer transistors used in the APU for optimal power and also firmware

@asifgetto

Жыл бұрын

ok i have only this question do u think the 1200 model is the best one?

Thank you for adding subtitles to the videos, I just watched this while plugged to a work call I didn't need to pay attention to. LOL

Thanks for doing all these tests with all the models. Appreciated mate! Hopefully we, who didn't buy it yet, are getting the best one later.

@pmwcgaming

Жыл бұрын

So is the newest one the bad or good? I just got 2 of the 1200s debating between keeping or not

@ataparag232

Жыл бұрын

@@pmwcgaming did you watch the whole video?

@pmwcgaming

Жыл бұрын

@@ataparag232 now I have 😂 I’m still holding mine lol still brand new waiting for Christmas to see the beautiful prices 🫣

@albertalberto2288

Жыл бұрын

@@pmwcgaming how are they? Do they have coil whine?

@pmwcgaming

Жыл бұрын

@@albertalberto2288 opened mine and started using it a couple days after Christmas, my brother and I have one and we’ve been using them with PS5 games and so far we haven’t heard anything! 🤟🏼 pretty quiet for now, only been a few months

Someone has already made a slim, water cooled PS5. Its was one of the best projects i’ve seen this year on youtube.

Really glad I didn't get killed on launch day trying to get a PS5 💀

Awesome job and detail man

Happy to have this one honestly. The cf1 1216a. Invited mail by Sony to buy it finally. It was a surprise. In a year of European risk of power outtage due to the war. Every watt counts. It seems the most refined Launch Design PS5. You keep the look but more efficient internals. Before a probably new ps5 slim. It's impressive to go 1nm less for the chip ! I think it's a try before the slim version to see if it's all work.

@MissxLariz

Жыл бұрын

I just got mine today. How does it run on games like GOW and HFW? And is it quiet or do you hear coil whine?

@kaydenlord9137

Жыл бұрын

​@@MissxLariz I got the same one, I hear coil whine during graphically intensive gaming but that's completely normal

It's pretty cool thinking about how the launch PS3 was 90Nm, and later got a shrink to 60Nm. That was a long time ago now. :)

@moonlalune8003

Жыл бұрын

Please don't remind us about this, it scares me now that have the 1100

@albertalberto2288

Жыл бұрын

@@moonlalune8003 as long as you are happy with it theres no problem, and as you seen, every console is different

Well, on the bright side, you learned some lessons from this. In the future it might be a good idea to try doing all the testing first and THEN take something apart to get a closer look at it, if possible. Still, reflecting on errors is a good thing

yo austin, keep it up man!

I love these videos haha. Austin and his friends has an amazing energy.

Measuring power draw could be pretty difficult. cause even if it looks that all consoles are making the sam thing, there coul be something running at the backgroud for example, which will make things lot different

@rapt0rzz

Жыл бұрын

But that's the thing with consoles unlike PCs It's all the same. Same background app same OS etc.

@vojtahavelka

Жыл бұрын

@@rapt0rzz not at all. If I measure all of my ps3s which are the same version, they are different between -5 to +10w

@doublevendetta

Жыл бұрын

@@vojtahavelka the other commenter is still correct, 5 to 10 watts is margin of error for power supply and power delivery variance when you're dealing with something in the hundreds of Watts range.

@9:26 If you REALLY pay attention to the pins in the side-by-side comparison, the pins on the 1200 are much closer together than on the 1000. That does imply that the die size is different.

@DjLuCKyCHaRM

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

Love your content!

A company’s hardware isn’t really a secret to keep , as long as what they advertise matches the item , there’s no secrete there , no matter if they changed dyes or not

I had a 1000 release console, I was playing FF16 and the console kept overheating and powering off. I recently got a new one and tried to get the most recent. I got a CFI-1215B 01X. And wow.. the graphics looks smoother and it's a lot less hot when playing 6+ hours... I suggest that anyone that wants to get a PS5. To get the most recent bundles they released so you get the newest 6mm chip and the heatsink. Instead of getting a used one and risking it to be one of the first versions.

Makes sense with the price increase for the PS5, pass the development cost along, all while being cheaper to produce and making record profits.

@thunderarch5951

Жыл бұрын

I guess y'all console players like being scammed lol, a console that costs less to produce and after 2 years got a price increase

@hELLLcs

Жыл бұрын

so Sony being scummy? Nothing new to announce.

@Zero11s

Жыл бұрын

the Euro just got weaker same for the british pound

@f937r

Жыл бұрын

@@thunderarch5951 I mean, GPU prices increased like 150% simply because of cryptomining. So PC bros got a much more significant price increase on even older hardware. It's only recently prices have dropped back down.

@compunerd

Жыл бұрын

@@thunderarch5951 since when is PC building not a scam these days... Gaming is so mainstream now it's all a scam.

if you have a few seconds free, have fun connecting those wattmeters in series, one in the other, at the end one plug a small consumer of 50 watts and watch how fun is to read all the wattmeters and how different they show

The video has crazy effort put into it! Unreal!

You're also testing the entire system including the power supply. I know they're probably not using the same manufacture for power supply across all PS5 and they can range in efficiencies drastically causing the difference.

@MegaRayland

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Even the fat PS3 models used different power supplies between the launch models and later the revisions with the 40 & 80 gig models.

I'm glad I was patient and bought the Model 12. Yes, the technology is cheaper and of course more efficient. I was never waiting for the slim version, just thinking about the pro version. But in the case of the slim version, it is true that the motherboard has become smaller, but I still think that a big fan is needed to dissipate the high heat of the ps5. Once, I put the ps5 upright but upside down, and when I entered the game, I don't think it took even 1 minute. I encountered a high temperature message, so I think it's still too early to shrink ؛ ) But Sony engineers must have a plan for heat dissipation in the slim version

Woow this was a great video love it!!!

i like that you are raw, never stop

So, if you clean off all the liquid metal and put it back together using some standard or high end thermal paste would it still perform about the same, better or worse? And what about using low-melt temperature tin-bismuth-silver solder to weld the heatsink directly to the chip, how does it perform then?

@bakerrr925

Жыл бұрын

They could have just put more liquid metal on it you can buy liquid metal for your system

@10100rsn

Жыл бұрын

@@bakerrr925 That's not the point. The point was to compare performance without liquid metal.

@bakerrr925

Жыл бұрын

@@10100rsn he said the second version of the PS5 runs hotter but don't more heat comes up so it's cool inside I just saying he's wrong and it's pretty obvious how he did not know that

@larrymartin2773

Жыл бұрын

Check some vids from tronicsfix , I believe he tested it and it ran worse

Yes normally new revisions of a console handle power and heat better, I had a ps3 that after a while was over heating, then I bought the super slim and its working too this day. It seems like the first models are normally rushed to market, but with the slim models they have time to fix some troubles.

@MegaRayland

Жыл бұрын

No necessarily rushed. Merely that there is only so much you can test in a controlled environment. Between improvements to the manufacturing process, new and better components, and the experience of real world usage, as you said can figure out more efficient ways of revising the hardware.

@GamingForTheRecentlyDeceased

10 ай бұрын

My 1200 ps5 shut down on day 1 after a few hours. I'm returning it tomorrow. If that's the best Sony has then I don't want it and will stick with PC gaming

Similar to passive celeron N4000 series laptop. Let them overheat, it throttle into 500 mhz and more battery is saved. And if you fix the cooling, it keep full speed at 2700 mhz and battery only last 50%~75% from un modded cooling.

I think this was worth it! Now I'm curious to know how my ps5 performs! Lol. Don't have the tools to measure tho.

Out of curiosity, does Xbox have a large difference in power draw when tested console to console. IE: series X to series X or S to S. Or since it being a locked frequency for the soc and ram, is it a more stable power draw across the board?… oh and why haven’t xbox produced a updated version in the time that Sony has done 2 already?

@jamesleason4004

Жыл бұрын

because xbox already uses a smaller chip set than the ps5 does. Xbox delayed their console a bit to wait for the improved amd chipset from the beginning. No revisions needed for the series x. Next year they will probably release a revision though.

1200 model user here. The machine is so quiet, I have to put my ear against it to hear something, this is while playing Ragnarok or MWII at 4k 60 HDR with surround. I was disappointed with their second model (1100) as it was too loud and for me it ruins the surround sound when playing in low volumes. The 1200 is quiet like a mouse so no worries. If you are not sure what version you got you can see the difference right away when you open the M.2 SSD slot in your PS5. You'll see metal underneath the M.2 slot if you got the superior 1200 model. Cheers! I got to say though, It's a good machine but I'm still getting a PS5 pro when it's released.

@fardel8021

Жыл бұрын

1100 isn’t louder it just has a different fan, they use 3 different fans. It’s just luck which one you get

Please do a chip specs comparison video for all models want to know if all chips specs are the same.

The hotter PlayStation could actually mean that the heat sink is actually working better, taking all the hotness away from the processor, in a real scientific test you should be able to really measure physically the processor’s temperature.

@21GamesBoss

Жыл бұрын

Yeah someone did a test on the cfi-1100 that it actually cool the cpu better

@priandikawr

Жыл бұрын

​@@21GamesBosscan you pleae gimme the source for this mate? thanks in advance!

Just picked up my PS5 1200 model console yesterday. Thank you for showing us that it's a better model all-in-all. I've moved this console into my man cave and my original 1000 model into my lounge. Looking forward to further gaming and 4K physical media!

@-_-Manic_Rob-_-

Жыл бұрын

Was it the god of war bundle?

@joshfulcifan1015

Жыл бұрын

@@-_-Manic_Rob-_- No, just the standard disc version, console and remote. Cost me $799 AUD for that.

@albertalberto2288

Жыл бұрын

Wich one is more quiet?

@darkknightlight

Жыл бұрын

Just got mine from Walmart 1 month ago 1200 model 500 dlls

@joshfulcifan1015

Жыл бұрын

@@darkknightlight Congrats it should have better fanning / cooling than the earlier models👍👍

Thanks for doing this. As soon as you responded with that salute emoji, I was confident you'd look into this and give us the straight FACTS.

Metric measurements! Thank you! I've a pain in me hoop trying to convert from Imperial on US vids.

Is there any difference with the disk version? Cause I just got the 1100 model

@dericjames2018

Жыл бұрын

Same thing as Digital

Did you swap around the KillaWatts to make sure there wasn't significant variance in their calibrations?

I realy enjoyed how this video was edited

Imagine if the 1200 model(2022 version) might be phototype for upcoming PS5 slim for their testing.

You can take the liquid metal off with a cuetip and put new liquid metal on it and it will work just fine

@austinevans

Жыл бұрын

sure but I wouldn't want to do thermal/power testing at that point. What if I applied more/less/different brand of liquid metal?

@nicholas4839

Жыл бұрын

@@austinevans you can buy the same liquid metal that Sony uses and they use .8 grams of liquid metal just make shur you spread it even I have not had better or worse results then stock sometimes less then a degree and 1 watt

@mushieslushie

Жыл бұрын

@@austinevans Do the testing before you take it apart? like you already did?

@Dirty_Bear22

Жыл бұрын

@@nicholas4839 Austin is right on his approach about thermal testing. Taking the heatsink off disturbs the original mounting pressure, disturbs the thermal putty seal/contact, and changes the liquid metal contact patch. Also you can’t buy whatever liquid metal Sony uses, we don’t know their supplier or the metal composition… Assuming you could acquire the exact same thermal putty, liquid metal, and screw torque specifications and screw tightening order, you would still never get an exact factory replica, would it be close? Yes. But it would not be identical. When you test thermal or wattage draw you want to introduce as few variables as possible, that includes taking the heatsink off.

i just would be happy to buy a ps5! i am still playing and stuck with the ps4 lol, i hope one day germany/austria can get some ps5.

I purchased a ps5 2 months ago, mine in the inside looks much different than the launch one (which I've seen on KZread videos) I was going to give mine a clean oit by vacuuming the dust collectors then wipe down with a microfibre cloth but looks like there is only one dust collector and a big open gap in middle. Do I just vacuum the one part or the open part also?

What a rollercoaster 😂

As an 1100 owner these always make me sad lol

@user-qx2co8dh3r

Жыл бұрын

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@Gunsmoke2220

Жыл бұрын

Seeing your name and ps5 "owner" makes me sad

I like how Austin just keeps buying new PS5s all the time while for everyone else they're still impossible to find.

@flaviusbangarang

Жыл бұрын

It's not impossible. You don't have friends.

@zushikatetomotoshift1575

Жыл бұрын

Not true. PS5 is getting much easier to get. But prices are not getting better. Your facts that he keeps buying ps5 and hard for others is total bs. I would say a year or 2 you are right. But now you are wrong.

@Astro1554

Жыл бұрын

well he has a lot of money so i guess i mean i have a lot of money to but still can't find one either

@zushikatetomotoshift1575

Жыл бұрын

@@Astro1554 I can buy one right now. I can buy a few right now. I can sell you one for 3 grand. xD Jokes aside. I have no issues finding them.

@earthinthecomments4944

Жыл бұрын

What? As of right now it’s so easy to get one. I went to my local Best Buy and they had multiple in stock and they didn’t sell out. It’s not impossible at all.

DIY Perks already made an ultra slim PS5 from what I believe was a 1000 model so big boi motherboard. Worth a watch

True Quality content 🙏

also remember with amd the cooler the chip runs the more it will boost on its own....its plausible that the 2nd ps5 cooling solution was better or working enough to allow the chip to draw more power and run a higher frequency. im not done with the video yet but how this hasnt comt up yet idk why.....

@Bobby_Uterus

Жыл бұрын

Interesting.

@Dirty_Bear22

Жыл бұрын

Second gen console SOC runs hotter because of the heatsink redesign, wattage difference is likely down to the “silicon lottery”, processor dies of the same make and model will have variances in performance and efficiency.

@Bobby_Uterus

Жыл бұрын

Also interesting.

The biggest problem with coming out with a slim now is it would have to be a whole new mold for a whole new shell. And knowing Sony they would much rather just keep this information to themselves for the foreseeable future and pretend like they need to keep cranking out these massive cases instead of giving us a nice small case instead. If anything I'd say we're at least a few years away even though clearly they've shrunk the internals easily enough to fit in a much smaller one.

@_Livid_

Жыл бұрын

“Chunky” is the new “thing” right now. I mean, look at graphics cards. Plus, getting a big console feels like you’re getting more. It tricks buyers who aren’t as tech smart into thinking the device they bought is “powerful” because it’s big and bulky. It’s like the whole industry is going backwards. Rather than smaller and faster component, we’re going back to big and bulky in some areas.

@rapt0rzz

Жыл бұрын

More like cheaper for them to use up all of the original body first than drop a new one

@earthinthecomments4944

Жыл бұрын

“A few years away” a PS5 Slim is all but confirmed to come next year.

@WayStedYou

Жыл бұрын

@@earthinthecomments4944 it would need to be on 5nm to be worth it, the xbox one S and ps4 slim went from 200watts to 80 watts going from 28nm to 16nm

@GameTimeWhy

Жыл бұрын

@@_Livid_ larger typically means better airflow and cooling.

yessss finally a new vid

Austin, why you haven’t factory reseted them and installed just the game you were testing on? I see different menus and these things are dynamic. Installed software could play a role here..

It is so hard to buy one but you guys got so many of them. 😭

@Forest9528

Жыл бұрын

Bruh it's not hard anymore

@johntitor.

Жыл бұрын

@@Forest9528 It is in Europe.

@Forest9528

Жыл бұрын

@@johntitor. Not according to the people I know in Ireland and the UK. Literally walked into a store and walked out with one.

@bur2576

Жыл бұрын

Literally checked yesterday on playstation direct and you can buy it right now

@bricolmane

Жыл бұрын

@@Forest9528 In north africa, it is indeed very difficult to get your hands on one, the availability is very scarce and the cost is insanely high, currently selling for $800+.

*This video is the reason for PS5 shortage*

9:33 when Austin said smoking gun, someone shot a gun in my neighborhood

yo austin i saw you at Frank & sons! like a couple of days ago!

Wow why did Sony keep this a secret

@sypheur27

Жыл бұрын

Could be to combat hackers maybe

@YarugumaSou

Жыл бұрын

Well apple's been doing the same thing for years

@amalkrishna6451

Жыл бұрын

They never spoke about the new models because they don't want people to loose interest in old models and it will make it hard to sell these old stocks because everyone wants new ones.

@markus9641

Жыл бұрын

There's no point in announcing that there's new PS5 chips because it makes no impact on the consumer. The only way 6nm chips matter in the real world is to reduce production costs.

@dontmatter4423

Жыл бұрын

Why do they need to disclose such an unnecessary information?

Oh God, here we go again...

@connermeinke8767

Жыл бұрын

That’s what I said

Now this is exciting, provided that we can get our hands on the PS5. It's still has limited units on sale in my region, which is funny given how long the PS5 has been released.

when they backround of the ps5 logo is the same as picsart

I'm surprised that there isn't a PS5 Slim already with the new smaller motherboard. On the other hand, you guys should totally make a custom slim model!

@JeskidoYT

Жыл бұрын

Probably planning on a slim model next year once the supply of the new chip keeps consistently good

for me ist the 1100 the best Consol. The BIOS battery is not under the cooler and that is crucial for me and I think it also has more power.

That would be a cool 3D print. Like get the 1200 disk less ps5 and see how compact you can go. Maybe match the Xbox series x?

Thank you Austin, just received my free gift. I am happy 🤗

I don't think newer manufacturing node means cheaper because of size, in chip binning there is always some defect that cause some chips didn't perform as intended, eg. Reaching desired clock speed with designated power target, in this case smaller manufacturing process also have higher failure rate. Either way, I don't believe that Sony is trying to cheaping out to the level of mediocrity. They're improving in every release for sure.

@DenverStarkey

Жыл бұрын

actualy it is cheaper , cpu's /gpu's are made in a way where the dies are all printed onto a circular disk. the smaller the die size the more dies you can print at a time on a single disk of cpu's/gpu's the more you can print on a single disk the less material that get's wasted. this includes less "edge" chips that obviously can't be used as they are not a whole die on the edges , as well as producing more valid dies veruses faulty dies. and the faulty rate defference between 7nm and 6nm almost null , for that matter it's barely much difference between 7nm and 5nm faulty rates. and it actually arguable that fail rate goes down when shrinking the die . smaller die has less heat meaning the chip can with stand more usauge and is less likely to die from heat related issues of a bigger die size.

@Bobbias

Жыл бұрын

@@DenverStarkey theoretically, a smaller die size should mean more usable dies assuming the same defects per unit area. If you have the same number of defects per platter, smaller does would mean you get the same number of defective dies, but more non-defective ones. However, being a smaller node means you're likely to have a higher defect per unit area rate, because they will be more sensitive due to smaller feature size. There's a greater chance that defects that wouldn't affect the larger node size will affect the smaller newer one. Still, if that defect rate does not outgrow the increase in chips per platter, you still end up with more usable chips per platter, and therefore an increased profitability.

@WayStedYou

Жыл бұрын

TSMC who makes the chips: its cheaper to do it this way Commentor: I dont think soooooooooo

@DenverStarkey

Жыл бұрын

@@WayStedYou that was my thoughts exactly and why i posted what i did. if there was a cheaper way to do it , they'd be doing it that way.

@woodiemarv

Жыл бұрын

May mean better yield, but a smaller node usually means higher cost

It does seem like they're moving towards a slim, I'd expect it to be announced alongside a pro model next year

@suemason

Жыл бұрын

I doubt there will even be a pro model meaning these chip changes are most likely a result of the chip shortage atm

@kwall337

Жыл бұрын

I truly believe there won't be a Pro model. The PS4 only got one because it was behind the times in technology when it launched & 4K became affordable to most people. It made sense for the upgrade. If, and I do mean if, a pro model would be released it wouldn't come for at least 5 plus years. But by then the PS6 would be not to far away.

@JeskidoYT

Жыл бұрын

Or bundling with modern warfare 2

@yousufkhan1720

Жыл бұрын

@@suemason you've got absolutely no reason to believe me, but there's a pro. But most users won't need and/or purchase it

What's the performance difference between the two? 👀 Like frame rate drops or rendering speed, etc.

What amazes me is how little power all 3 draw for the performance they give out. Try and get a PC to draw less than 300w to run a game at 4k 120 fps

Genuine question with it having a smaller chip will that impact performance in gaming negatively?

@Excen_

Жыл бұрын

No.

@dericjames2018

Жыл бұрын

No

@stylie473joker5

Жыл бұрын

The specs are the same its just the transistors now take less space since they are small

@Gamevet

Жыл бұрын

The smaller chip is known as a node shrink. TSMC has shrunk the node from 7nm to 6nm, which will mean better power efficiency and reduced costs in production.

@kiyoponnn

Жыл бұрын

@@Gamevet shrinking node process increases cost*

N6 is not 6nm it’s 3rd gen 7nm which is equivalent to Intels 10. It’s the same process but 20% more dense because it’s EUV instead of DUV

@maanmahmoud4537

Жыл бұрын

Nerd

@ihluis

Жыл бұрын

nerd

Oh did they move the coin CMOS battery right under the heatsink to force you to break the liquid metal seal of the APU in order to replace it? That really sucks!

im so proud i subscribe to the channel, not only because they all kinda funny, but this video proves austin's crew have one step ahead in terms of doing research like this. thumbs up my man

Good job Man !

The reason they have been making these suble changes is so they can test inside the ps5 slim

@Supremepikachu

Жыл бұрын

By taking away performance? A slim is always a downgraded version.

@jacobglass2951

Жыл бұрын

@@Supremepikachu Lol no it's not, the ps4 slim was superior in almost every way compared to standard ps4. Smaller, cooler, quieter with the exact same performance.

@marcomilan3738

Жыл бұрын

@@Supremepikachu taking away performance? The fuck are you saying?🤣 The chip is smaller, so it needs less power to achieve the same result as the older model🤷

@Supremepikachu

Жыл бұрын

@@marcomilan3738 Alright smart ass.

@squaddrop172

Жыл бұрын

@@marcomilan3738 the slim don’t support 4k chief. That’s kinda a downgrade

If you’re going to make your own PS5 slim you have to check out the one DIY Perks made!

This one of the funniest tech review I've even seen... good job Austin

It seems so easy to buy a ps5 anywhere when you wanted to a test, you could always get one. Here it's still a 5 min pre-order per batch and scalped pricing anywhere else. Great discovery though. At least I have to make sure I buy the new model. Thank you so much for this content!

@jamesleason4004

Жыл бұрын

1200 series isn't being sold in USA yet so I would wait. Sony is still clearing out the 1100 series as confirmed by amazon and other retailers.

@ardjheycalderon5828

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesleason4004 I would also have to watch out for when the ps5 is regularly available here in my country. good luck to us! lol

Damn that’s crazy. Too bad they don’t care to solve their availability problem. Meanwhile I’ve been seeing the Series X in store lately. Would love to have both consoles, but Sony dropped the ball BIG time with their production.

@Gunsmoke2220

Жыл бұрын

Are you that uncultured to understand what's going on with the ps5 and availability?

@dericjames2018

Жыл бұрын

Gamestop and Walmart has had PS5s recently.

@Gunsmoke2220

Жыл бұрын

@@dericjames2018 not everyone lives in the US buddy

@dericjames2018

Жыл бұрын

@@Gunsmoke2220 Makes sense it's getting easier here but in the US but hopefully it improves worldwide.

@Gunsmoke2220

Жыл бұрын

@@dericjames2018 yh me too man

Love the vids

Austin all I'm asking is can I upgrade my space using the expansion bay. Does the SSD slot still work

I'm still not sure if they all have the same performance. Are they all running at the exact same FPS? Power draw and heat is one thing, but is a benchmark giving the exact same result across the board?

@zodiark2456

Жыл бұрын

yes there the same performance you are aware the ps4 phat had multiple revisions and the newer revision of ps4 phat used less power than the original

@CookieAdam

Жыл бұрын

@@zodiark2456 just wanted to make sure, because i was wondering the whole time

@ItsAkile

Жыл бұрын

Yes, they do the same things but the energy cost do said thing is different. always been the case but running at higher clocks accentuate that I guess

@CookieAdam

Жыл бұрын

@@ItsAkile Yeah, i know that 6nm is less power hungry and running cooler than 7nm. But still, just mesuring the temperature of the cooler doesn't give enough information if the chip is thermal throtteling or if it's able to run at higher clocks for longer.

@ItsAkile

Жыл бұрын

@@CookieAdam No what I'm saying is besides the processing node, Silicon quality is also a factor that always exsist. "silicon lottery" consoles are built to last under worst case conditions and these SOCs dont' run anything near the 95-105c range to throttle on average for that to make a big deal. You can have 1-2 frame variant normally but only expect similar performance because thats by design. the one concern was that some memory modes were a bit high at 95c and Sony should to better to cool them, havent seen how newer design fair on that point but the SOC is fine.

With no performance numbers this is meaningless, the higher power draw could actually be a better binned chip or better cooling allowing the cpu/gpu to boost higher.

Great video

well that was bumpy

Sony hates everytime someone digs too deep

@Tmztal786

Жыл бұрын

im surprised sony didnt take down this video

@kalebuck3282

Жыл бұрын

@@Tmztal786 only a couple hours old wait till it circulates more

@BlindMango

Жыл бұрын

Why would Sony take this down? They’re just opening it up, and them moving to a 6nm chip has been confirmed elsewhere - it’s not like a leaked game or something

@WayStedYou

Жыл бұрын

@@Tmztal786 Why would they? they havent taken anyone elses videos down doing the same thing for years.

I'm impressed by Sony actually making improvements to the PS5!

@High.on.Life_DnB

Жыл бұрын

why? they've made revisions of all their consoles, all of them improving something (except for dropping the PS2 BC on the fat PS3)

@vitatreat9037

Жыл бұрын

Or improving profitability. 🙃

@MegaRayland

Жыл бұрын

This is nothing new. Happens every generation and every model. Even back in the PS3 days there were revisions, refinements, and improvements to the fat models between the launch 20/60 gig versions, the later 40gig one, and lastly the 80gig one before even more refinements with the Slim model. Even with the original PS1 you could see improvements and simplifications to the motherboard by the second batch of consoles. Iterating and revising is just a normal aspect of hardware production.

@Bmontepeque11

Жыл бұрын

@@High.on.Life_DnB Oh, I meant as in "I didn't know consoles were revised even when there isn't a new model like a Slim" but it's great to know! :o

@Bmontepeque11

Жыл бұрын

@@MegaRayland Oh, I see! I didn't know this was the case :O I genuinely thought the only revisions came with the Slim model of the consoles! (And the Pros in the case of the PS4 and Xbox One 😅)

Was there a black cloth around that metal thing because if it is then that’s a really cool

Got mine last week nd it's running smooth, no noise no sound, very quiet. Got mine from argos highly recommend you get yours now. I think 1200 is the best version

9:40 I do not think the smaller node is cheaper, considering TSMC had a 20% price hike for its chips. Definitely not cheaper, at least on Sony/AMD's side, and I think 7nm and 6nm isn't really different in size on a wafer. It's only cheaper if conditions are met vs previous node: -they can produce more chips per wafer -usable yield per wafer is higher -total average of usable chips per wafer in new node is greater than the old node, and can justify the 20% price hike cost. Then again, the increase in the wafer cost would affect all nodes made in TSMC so it would make sense for AMD/Sony to make it a bit smaller so that they can cram a few more chips in per wafer, and as long as the defect rate of the smaller node isn't worse on the new node, the shift would make sense.

@ms3862

Жыл бұрын

We are long passed the days of smaller nodes being cheaper, that stopped at 45nm. Every time the PS5 node gets smaller now there is a cost increase, the only savings is power draw and heat output so you can use a smaller heatsink or smaller fan

@delresearch5416

Жыл бұрын

1/5th smaller there was 7+ inbetween. nm is not true size.