SONY a7SIII vs ALEXA Mini LF vs VENICE 6K | It's never been so close!

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Dave Maze takes the Sony a7Siii and puts it against two of the most respected cinema cameras in Hollywood. The Arri ALEXA Mini LF, and the Sony CineAlta Venice 6K full-frame camera. Can the hybrid camera hold it's own? Or do the movie cameras eat its lunch? We think it's never been closer in terms of image quality and performance.
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00:00 - Intro
01:08 - ALEXA Mini LF vs Sony a7SIII
03:16 - ALEXA Reveal
04:29 - VENICE 6K FF vs Sony a7SIII
07:04 - VENICE Reveal
08:19 - ISO Tests
10:53 - Sponsor Message
12:13 - Final Thoughts
15:33 - Special Thanks: On The Mark Rentals
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  • @indymogul
    @indymogul3 жыл бұрын

    Follow Dave on Twitter at twitter.com/davemaze or IG at geni.us/davemaze_ig! Thanks for watching!

  • @RiceCubeTech

    @RiceCubeTech

    3 жыл бұрын

    I’d love to see a Venice comparison to the siii using the same lenses/settings and whatnot.

  • @Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

    @Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too

    Жыл бұрын

    @@RiceCubeTech You don't understand color grading.

  • @insequence9207
    @insequence92073 жыл бұрын

    This if anything tells you lighting and lensing is more important

  • @indymogul

    @indymogul

    3 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely. Those Zeiss Supreme lenses were AMAZINGGGGG

  • @MirdjanHyle

    @MirdjanHyle

    3 жыл бұрын

    YES. THANK YOU.

  • @insequence9207

    @insequence9207

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Mark Vasquez it indeed slaps, i'm getting a restraining order

  • @nathanwabre

    @nathanwabre

    3 жыл бұрын

    So true! And that clouds do help a lot too 🤣

  • @BrendanEvan

    @BrendanEvan

    3 жыл бұрын

    This is the truth.

  • @JevenDovey
    @JevenDovey3 жыл бұрын

    Crazy how good the A7SIII is when stacked up to these beasts. Needs a little more work in the color grade compared to the other two but its so minimal. Cameras have come so far in the last few years

  • @indymogul

    @indymogul

    3 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely. And based on Caleb Pikes findings in his latest video... some of my headache could have been with slog3 in particular. Slog2 seems to have better skintones and we both know the standard creative style is amazing. Stoked to try ProRes raw when it arrives

  • @Ben-fq1lj

    @Ben-fq1lj

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@indymogul and also using wheels to fix one hue......bro all you had to do was just use a hue vs hue to avoid that shirt problem smh. lol, but either way thanks for making this video. Not perfect but hey, at least your making good content and getting out there.

  • @damiendehorn6350

    @damiendehorn6350

    3 жыл бұрын

    The only issue is the additional cost of that color grading costs way more then the difference in price of the cameras in serious commercial production.

  • @stanchion8186

    @stanchion8186

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@indymogul Love SLOG2, still grading FS700 / ProRes 12bit in that profile and the more cameras the use the more I keep noticing SLOG2 may be truly future proof.

  • @jesusmm3291

    @jesusmm3291

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@damiendehorn6350 what cost?

  • @benwonderfulmedia
    @benwonderfulmedia3 жыл бұрын

    The auto focus gave it away maybe but I didn't notice the magenta until it was pointed out tbh

  • @joseSanchez-ej2oh

    @joseSanchez-ej2oh

    3 жыл бұрын

    Same I actually thought that his shirt was that color & that left seemed dull

  • @javajack-1

    @javajack-1

    3 жыл бұрын

    I’m not getting magenta here. I’m wondering if he’s mixing in some old color science somewhere

  • @indymogul
    @indymogul3 жыл бұрын

    yes, it's a real website: www.tedsimfanpage.com/

  • @dcmvisuals2638

    @dcmvisuals2638

    3 жыл бұрын

    Canon r6

  • @WhatTheFragrance

    @WhatTheFragrance

    3 жыл бұрын

    I can’t believe I thought the a7s3 image looked better than the Alexa. It had a lower depth of field. Would love to see you do a comparison with the Panasonic s5 which has better colour science

  • @dejavuking

    @dejavuking

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hey excellent video so helpful my gosh really great!. Please may I ask some advice if you have a spare few mins at some point!. So I've loved photography, shooting video clips for years. Stopped doing it for years put my old camera away. But recently got a Sony RX100va and have realised I love both still even more!. What I've also found it I've reached the limits of the RX100va with the fixed lens/focal range, good but not incredible low light, the 1" sensor and the battery life and 8bit, don't get me wrong the rx100va is incredible for its size!. But ya I love colour grading well learning on davinci etc. So my dilemma is do I get the panasonic S5 as it's a more Pro-Am camera more hybrid and gets the job done or do I go all out and get the A7S3 + the 24mm t minus 1.4, but I'm not a pro!?. Also am I right in thinking the A7S3 is great for photography as long as your not blowing the photos up to building size lol!?. All I want to do is print poster size photos and maybe make photo books!. Ya any advice you or your subs can share would be massively appreciated! :).

  • @shridexdigi1982

    @shridexdigi1982

    3 жыл бұрын

    I am curious why the Panasonic S1H is left out of every test against full frame cinema cameras. It shoots Prores Raw and now one can change white balance. Please do a comparison pls

  • @Hangs4Fun

    @Hangs4Fun

    3 жыл бұрын

    I wonder if the magenta shift is just the internal codecs? Waiting to see some 16bit linear RAW external to 12bit log RAW on Ninja V examples focusing on color :-)

  • @warrend98
    @warrend983 жыл бұрын

    The ISO comparison is a bit of a cheat. The real test isn’t with full studio lighting. The real test should be in actual low-light situations where the camera has to do more interpolation. That’s the work.

  • @indymogul

    @indymogul

    3 жыл бұрын

    Great suggestion!

  • @florianherrmann4093

    @florianherrmann4093

    3 жыл бұрын

    The entire test was bad.. First: Grading each video on his personal preference just mixed up the small nuances that you would usually see. So he should not grade on his personal reference instead should grade both videos the same and maybe just use a LUT. Second: You instantly now which video was shoot with a professional cinema camera because on that they used a professional cinema-grade prime lens and kn the a7iii they used a normal sony lens (I might even think it was a zoom lens!) Worst camera comparison ever seen. Sorry but that s not how it is done professionally...

  • @olegkalinkin6877
    @olegkalinkin68773 жыл бұрын

    Sure... but shoot those clips in low light. Not just with high ISO.

  • @beowolf4572

    @beowolf4572

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, don't get why they didn't do it in low light.

  • @mabsfreeman1187
    @mabsfreeman11873 жыл бұрын

    409,300 Gigawatts!!! I mean ISO!!! Who needs a night-scope. This beast will let a blind man find his way out of a black hole!

  • @IvanGRANID

    @IvanGRANID

    3 жыл бұрын

    you're wrong, not so great in real life like on the paper

  • @_rhapsodist
    @_rhapsodist3 жыл бұрын

    I wish it was a sunny day so we could see DR differences

  • @indymogul

    @indymogul

    3 жыл бұрын

    Good point. Same here... but unfortunately the only days we had the cameras... the fires were really bad. You can see how brown/orange everything is from the fires here in LA

  • @maximilianklein7779
    @maximilianklein77793 жыл бұрын

    Sony Fs 7 - I've got rly cool features, and I'm not that expensive Sony a7S - Hold my beer

  • @indymogul

    @indymogul

    3 жыл бұрын

    LOL! The a7s3 has seriously gotten so amazing now. This wasn't even testing the RAW out of the HDMI either. Would look even better with that

  • @yannickvoyard
    @yannickvoyard3 жыл бұрын

    If you pay attention to the stabilization, it's "easy" to see what was shot on the A7siii or the Alexa/Venice. This is saying that the a7siii is holding up quite nicely if you end up watching it on youtube anyway~

  • @CraigBickerstaff

    @CraigBickerstaff

    3 жыл бұрын

    Personally, I was looking at the contrast, you see enough of these comparisons and I've found that the Alexa footage is always slightly lower contrast than whatever it's put up against wether that be a Sony camera or a Red camera. I wasn't sure I was going to get the Venice comparison right but I felt like there was something less harsh about the skin textures on one vs the other and I ended up calling that one correctly as well.

  • @Noel-qi7ku

    @Noel-qi7ku

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'm a bit dubious about this video. Seems promotional. Specially with the cam coming out this week. The camera 2 footage is just so clearly made to look better.

  • @twosheafilms
    @twosheafilms3 жыл бұрын

    Been waiting on this Dave! Thanks for all the hard work and time you put into this!

  • @bassgojoe
    @bassgojoe3 жыл бұрын

    Whenever I see comparisons with Arri vs other cameras, I'm always surprised by how the skintones look better exposed on the Arri. I don't get how, because it's not like they're always brighter or darker, just always *better*, whatever difference is needed for the situation.

  • @kartikeypandey8957

    @kartikeypandey8957

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes

  • @matthewphillips5483

    @matthewphillips5483

    2 жыл бұрын

    the word you are looking for is "bias". It is in your head.

  • @kartikeypandey8957

    @kartikeypandey8957

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@matthewphillips5483 Ya actually we all have some bias and I think that is the reason why people love arri as it seems more true to real life in for of colour reproduction, relative luminescence level between different scenes and dynamic range which is closest to human eye as compared to any other camera.

  • @TechnoBabble

    @TechnoBabble

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@matthewphillips5483 Shoots with an a6000 and tells people that it's just bias that makes them think the Alexa image is better.

  • @mededmoon6265

    @mededmoon6265

    Жыл бұрын

    Agreed, it does phenomenal in all situations. A true cinema camera. A7siii looks like shit in comparison.

  • @adiljain1
    @adiljain13 жыл бұрын

    My two cents, if I may.. For a true comparison these would help: -Hard sunlight, mixed light, studio lighting set ups. (I saw your comment that it was grey and there was smoke from the forest fires!) -Raw vs Raw - it's pointless comparing Raw vs compressed footage. -Shoot on a tripod -Try doing anything with the footage in After Effects. See if it holds up. -Greenscreen keying easy or hard. Hope this helps! Cheers

  • @DaveDugdaleColorado
    @DaveDugdaleColorado3 жыл бұрын

    Hey, I saw myself in this video!

  • @dipankarsanyal1594

    @dipankarsanyal1594

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hey Dave!

  • @indymogul

    @indymogul

    3 жыл бұрын

    Lol yup! Thats where we met!

  • @mikejezo

    @mikejezo

    3 жыл бұрын

    Dave Dugdale hey Dave you’ve been instrumental to the fame of the A7s. You should really be a Sony rep for this camera line. Because I only understood the true power of that camera after you shot your low lite fishing ting😂 . And even Sony themselves didn’t have anything to Mach your creativity, as a result they are still using your footage 3 gen after . We all know that P.B shot the now I see , parts but only the original part 1 expose the true potential of that camera. But your approach and method ( shoot and change iso ) was key into the success of this camera. So I’m sure if Sony is listening that they should include you they pre-production program. ( and they should also drop you a couple of coins for the effort 😄🤣) I’m sure everyone will agree that DAVE’s methods was informative and technical at the same time, but everyone else’s just boom here is the result. ( well how did you get there ? What did you use?😨🤭)

  • @LonzosStudios

    @LonzosStudios

    3 жыл бұрын

    Dave! where have you been? are you still using magic lantern? :-)

  • @pavelrybakov2431

    @pavelrybakov2431

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@LonzosStudios 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @rafyus
    @rafyus3 жыл бұрын

    Great video!! 🔥

  • @stevenkralovec
    @stevenkralovec3 жыл бұрын

    This was amazing! I’m glad you’re the new host, Dave!

  • @deltalima5806
    @deltalima58062 жыл бұрын

    Great video, funny tones, I dug it. Well done!

  • @BasicFilmmaker
    @BasicFilmmaker3 жыл бұрын

    Wow! So glad I jumped on the Sony A7s III 2 months ago, just need it to ship. Yeah, two months ago. Did I mention two months ago? Ummm...going to go get some cheese for my whine. 🤦‍♂️

  • @indymogul

    @indymogul

    3 жыл бұрын

    Haha! Kevin! Thank you for your comment! You will be seeing your camera soon Im sure!

  • @jasonnowwhat5041

    @jasonnowwhat5041

    3 жыл бұрын

    Shipped this morning if you ordered quickly enough from B and H

  • @BasicFilmmaker

    @BasicFilmmaker

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@jasonnowwhat5041 I ordered quickly, just think not quickly enough. Ya snooze, ya lose rule in play. :)

  • @ctphotographx

    @ctphotographx

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@BasicFilmmaker Got one of mine yesterday. My second is listed as backordered. Purchased local dealer. Wait until you see that big beautiful unbelievable EVF. Yes the AF is great, but that EVF makes manual focus so fun and easy that it's hard not to MF that MF.

  • @NickyRizzles

    @NickyRizzles

    3 жыл бұрын

    Jason Now What yup! Mine shipped this morning too 😇

  • @Cinematographer_brenton
    @Cinematographer_brenton2 жыл бұрын

    love this video dude

  • @sunlightpictures8367
    @sunlightpictures83673 жыл бұрын

    Great review, thanks!

  • @hellohogo
    @hellohogo3 жыл бұрын

    I’m loving the vibe on the channel. Great job Dave!

  • @indymogul

    @indymogul

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks buddy!

  • @vaskoobscura_
    @vaskoobscura_3 жыл бұрын

    Another awesome video. This is cool content.

  • @TheAaronalden
    @TheAaronalden3 жыл бұрын

    This is great! Such an exciting time... Where skills are more important than the gear. The a7siii can certainly hold its own!

  • @indymogul

    @indymogul

    3 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely!

  • @ForestLionhart
    @ForestLionhart3 жыл бұрын

    Great video! 📸

  • @speedbird737
    @speedbird7373 жыл бұрын

    Actually what gives each comparison away easily is autofocus - when one of the cameras in A or B looses focus and the other doesn't then thats how I could tell its the A7SIII as the A7 has rock solid focus!

  • @CraigToddOfficial

    @CraigToddOfficial

    2 жыл бұрын

    Also one camera was higher than the other so that alone told me which one was the A7Siii as it was the one with more image above the frame of the other camera.

  • @jeffsaffron5647

    @jeffsaffron5647

    2 жыл бұрын

    And stabilization.

  • @aaronfairooz7326
    @aaronfairooz73263 жыл бұрын

    Comparing cameras outside on an overcast day is pointless. I wanted to see how it handled highlights and low light, not the most minimal bs color shift

  • @sergiosanchez2012

    @sergiosanchez2012

    Жыл бұрын

    The A7sIII wins in low light over any Cinema Camera, you can shoot with the moon as your only light source... The ARRI has +2 stops of dynamic range than any other camera so you have a little better highlight rolloff.

  • @jameskennedy8329
    @jameskennedy83293 жыл бұрын

    Holy moly, the Alexa reveal was a huge surprise. 2020 still has some tricks up it’s sleeve....

  • @indymogul

    @indymogul

    3 жыл бұрын

    Wow! So glad you were impressed! I worked really hard on the color grade on this

  • @jameskennedy8329

    @jameskennedy8329

    3 жыл бұрын

    Indy Mogul It definitely shows. Many of my favorite movies of the last decade were shot on Alexa and I kept thinking the A7S III footage was the Alexa. Well done!

  • @gehrrman
    @gehrrman2 жыл бұрын

    Sick bro 🔥

  • @AllThingsFilm1
    @AllThingsFilm13 жыл бұрын

    The biggest take away I get from this video is that the film making world is more open to indie film makers thanks to the high tech in the "pro-sumer" cameras out there. These are the best of times for film makers of all budget levels. Thanks, Indy Mogul.

  • @timpolster
    @timpolster3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your great comparison video.

  • @KittyGuerrillaFilms
    @KittyGuerrillaFilms2 жыл бұрын

    this is so great. thank you!

  • @ThisIsTechToday
    @ThisIsTechToday3 жыл бұрын

    Sounds like you should save your pennies and just buy a second A7SIII over an FX9, lol.

  • @indymogul

    @indymogul

    3 жыл бұрын

    Not to mention we haven’t even tried ProRes raw yet! Seriously amazing stuff here.

  • @sixsoxsex1

    @sixsoxsex1

    3 жыл бұрын

    4.2.2 remain

  • @cloudiow

    @cloudiow

    3 жыл бұрын

    No man definitly not. The digital sharpening in A7siii is to strong. The roll-off smoothness in the skin is also not even FX9 level.-

  • @ThisIsTechToday

    @ThisIsTechToday

    3 жыл бұрын

    Cloudio cool. Buying another a7siii

  • @cloudiow

    @cloudiow

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ThisIsTechToday That feeling when you can't take an objective fact about digital sharpening and flex with a comment: 'Buying another a7siii' Cope much?

  • @CNCcamon1
    @CNCcamon13 жыл бұрын

    When you have to pixel peep to tell the difference between your camera and an Alexa, I think you're probably good image quality wise

  • @valentinbusuioc4054
    @valentinbusuioc40543 жыл бұрын

    I've always been a fan of your style, so keep it up! And the squarespace promo was perfect, not the usual dry message, great stuff! :)

  • @indymogul

    @indymogul

    3 жыл бұрын

    Haha thanks! So glad you enjoyed it. Trying to make those as fun as possible.

  • @benjones5799
    @benjones57993 жыл бұрын

    wow... I found for about 50% of the shots I preferred the a7siii and then the other.. the shot would make way more difference than the camera at this point (at least for the first two tests).. and obviously the lens

  • @Broganshire
    @Broganshire3 жыл бұрын

    The last time I was this early this show had the original host.

  • @indymogul

    @indymogul

    3 жыл бұрын

    thank you?... haha!

  • @Broganshire

    @Broganshire

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@indymogul Early enough to get a reply ;)

  • @ImagineThis
    @ImagineThis3 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic comparison! Any chance of uploading some of the original files so we can take a crack at color matching them ourselves?

  • @gautammatti
    @gautammatti3 жыл бұрын

    i love you guys

  • @ThoughtSpirals
    @ThoughtSpirals3 жыл бұрын

    It's pretty difficult to immediately spot which camera was which, however looking at the colour tones made it fairly clear. 1: In an attempt to correct the magenta - the skin is a sickly green from the a7SIII 2: The Alexa colour science's classic blueish-green sky is easily distinguishable from the magenta/grey on the a7SIII 3: When correcting the magenta, everything in the scene looks duller on the a7SIII than on the Venice

  • @JAK_EDITS.

    @JAK_EDITS.

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yup.

  • @SuperBratan

    @SuperBratan

    6 ай бұрын

    i thought the alexa image was sony alpha because the skin was more red. Could have left the red in skintones. But maybe my monitor is just ass

  • @MizanurRahman-zy5fw
    @MizanurRahman-zy5fw3 жыл бұрын

    Gr8 video, lots of fun

  • @angelgcastro1
    @angelgcastro13 жыл бұрын

    Great video.

  • @Gadgetsjon
    @Gadgetsjon3 жыл бұрын

    Great video guys. Still not sure whether or not to get the a7s iii or a new light or build a new editing pc...so hard to decide!

  • @cybebe6679
    @cybebe66793 жыл бұрын

    Hi Great Vid man. What kind of adapter did you use to attach Zeiss Supreme Prime lens to Sony a7s iii?

  • @JustJoshTech
    @JustJoshTech3 жыл бұрын

    Anyone know what lens he is using on the Fuji to film his A roll?

  • @indymogul

    @indymogul

    3 жыл бұрын

    I do!

  • @JustJoshTech

    @JustJoshTech

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@indymogul spill the beans please :) which one?????

  • @phantomluts
    @phantomluts3 жыл бұрын

    Nice! I'll be making a LUT to match my ARRI Amira as soon as I can get my hands on my A7siii! Look forward to getting it.

  • @jameskennedy8329
    @jameskennedy83293 жыл бұрын

    Awesome comparisons. I would have liked to have seen some shots with the cameras locked down though. Thanks for the great video!

  • @indymogul

    @indymogul

    3 жыл бұрын

    Sorry about that! We had very limited time and handheld was much easier than lugging around the 100lbs tripod lol

  • @jameskennedy8329

    @jameskennedy8329

    3 жыл бұрын

    Indy Mogul Completely understandable. I still really appreciate all the effort put into the video!

  • @andrewskater17
    @andrewskater173 жыл бұрын

    would really like to see more comparison between the Alexa LF and A7III.. especially during a sunny day and also an example where you show pushing the colors. Really appreciate this video!

  • @shrinkingshrimp
    @shrinkingshrimp3 жыл бұрын

    Camera Assistant here to poop the party. There is no much point in comparing basic 709 images. Beyond an image quality you can almost make everything look good in post (if there is no problem in the image like bad exp. or clipping -where more DR can help for example), you can show the differences more with "extreme" like non-diffused daylight scenes, night and dusk shots, and EVEN THEN you have to show how far can we take the image in post, because NO ONE RENTS A 60K CAM TO JUST PASTE A 709 ON IT. These cams have so much more in them than just the image quality, and for me image quality matters the least when on set (until something is off with the cam, then it is my job to solve it). Arri manages to keep the camera crew, the scrip, the DIT and the wrangler in mind when designing their cameras interface and build, these are little things, like the always on info for the scripts screen, but Sony keeps f ing up these all the time (havent used the Venice, I heard good feedback on that camera, but the FX9 and the FS7 are piles of ... on set), and the A7SIII completely lacks of these features, so this is why we preffer Arris over anything else, not the image quality. (I know you did mention some of these I just started writing in the beginning of the video) "...you can get a fully rigged out cinema machine using something like the A7SIII..." as I stated above, these cameras are much more than just the image quality, so no, you cant get a fully rigged out cinema machine out from the A7SIII, however, the image quality is getting up there! The video made the impression when amateur phone reviewers compares a phone to their budget MILC or DSLR and say that it is on the same level or even the phone has a better camera while clearly they just cant use the camer. No I dont say you cant use these cameras, the video just felt like that on the next level: instead phone to MILC it is MILC to cinema. Anyway, looks like a fun video, just not for me. I wanted this to be constructive criticism not a rant, I hope I have succeded. And I like your work so keep up!

  • @CRANEREVIEWS

    @CRANEREVIEWS

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's done for people that are looking for the A7S3, but even than it's a weird review - both the ISO test and the image. No real low light test and dynamic range, hugely different lenses. Weird even for an amature.

  • @florianherrmann4093

    @florianherrmann4093

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes! I wrote something similar under “Damon Warron’s” post. It s just the worst camera comparison I have ever seen..

  • @VictorKDurand

    @VictorKDurand

    3 жыл бұрын

    ok ok.. point taken. thank you for the insight btw. my guess is that the video is mostly aimed at amateurs or 'enthusiast' cinematographers (even if he glances over the idea for professionals to have this as a 2nd or 3rd camera), who are not yet fully into the 'real deal' if that makes sense. they have less demands and expect less from gear, and specifically want a good image to begin with : P I know this because I am really in love with photography and cinematography but far far from being pro. Therefore I am immensely impressed by the video quality footage, and some shots almost fooled me. But yea ok it's obviously 60k vs 3k. Obviously there is more to it, I think this has to be clear, and I doubt the guys making the video are unaware of it.

  • @video422

    @video422

    3 жыл бұрын

    I don't agree! lot of people in cinema industry are emotional about there choice . One of the least reliable camera is the RED but it's has a strong followers. Sony has a long tradition in Live tv broadcast industry and known for their reliability.

  • @navireljan1857
    @navireljan18573 жыл бұрын

    Man this is probably one of the biggest and newest comparison so far!!!!

  • @timaragon1523
    @timaragon15233 жыл бұрын

    Amazing, insightful! Please post more comparisons of other cameras in the A7III class vs the Hollywood Beasts. Thanks Again!

  • @tomasribas2541
    @tomasribas25413 жыл бұрын

    Great content! I have a a7III and it is a really good camera, but I've been thinking about the a7sIII, specially because of the external 16-bit RAW. Could you do a review/comparrison/test/whatever with the RAW footage? (sry about spelling, english is not my native language)

  • @ThoughtSpirals
    @ThoughtSpirals3 жыл бұрын

    7:40 "our aperture settings weren't exactly the same" lol understatement of the week. Using two VERY different lenses makes it nottt a particularly even comparison

  • @Jsfilmz

    @Jsfilmz

    3 жыл бұрын

    yea this was dumb comparing with different lenses lol wtf

  • @aboodabulaban2867

    @aboodabulaban2867

    3 жыл бұрын

    not really

  • @katlis

    @katlis

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Jsfilmz I think the point of the comparison is using a consumer camera with a consumer lens versus a cinema camera with a cinema lens. How many people are going to adapt a $20,000 lens to their Sony Alpha?

  • @MrLambda48

    @MrLambda48

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@katlis They could at least have matched focal lenght and fstop

  • @xWood4000

    @xWood4000

    3 жыл бұрын

    I agree, but the differences were not obscured, so doesn't matter very much. The color of the lens elements did almost certainly impact the tests

  • @mobster7434
    @mobster74343 жыл бұрын

    Yes please! More A7SIII content!! Great vid, thanks!!

  • @matthewchute5514
    @matthewchute55143 жыл бұрын

    Really curious how those comparisons would have been with the same lens? I can see a slight color shift between my tamron, Sony, and rokinon lenses so I wonder how much of that contributed to the results of these tests. I know you used the same lens for the ISO Test, did you notice the same color issues during that test? Thanks!! Really cool comparison!

  • @xWood4000

    @xWood4000

    3 жыл бұрын

    There can be a massive difference, but I think the conclusions would be the same from all the color tests

  • @rollingchilling
    @rollingchilling3 жыл бұрын

    nice. liked and subscribed.

  • @Jon_bodhi
    @Jon_bodhi3 жыл бұрын

    I guess what camera you use wont really matter too much moving forward. Love this comparison!

  • @miyahtallulah
    @miyahtallulah3 жыл бұрын

    Great video. Your glasses. Brand? Looking for the same.

  • @ramdogproductions
    @ramdogproductions3 жыл бұрын

    Love it!! Waiting on the A7s iii to arrive any day now. This is all really helping me understand my new baby. What are strategies I can do to minimize the magenta? Shoot more stuff with red or less for example? Or in Resolve capture skin tones and correct after reducing magenta? THNX!! Amazing work and ability to make videos fun ;-)

  • @mohamadmikati4053
    @mohamadmikati40533 жыл бұрын

    This is insaneee😍

  • @stevenkralovec
    @stevenkralovec3 жыл бұрын

    Duuuude that square space ad was gold 😂 👌🏼

  • @indymogul

    @indymogul

    3 жыл бұрын

    Lol thanks!

  • @guerrerosdigitales
    @guerrerosdigitales3 жыл бұрын

    A few questions: 1) What profile would you recommend to use in the Siii? is slog3 really the best option? 2) Are you happy with the colors and should I get a LUT like Leeming's for color correction? if not, how do I make sure I get the best colors. 3) Which is the easiest way to shoot great videos with the Siii? can I use it in movie mode default?

  • @lucaslife2293
    @lucaslife22933 жыл бұрын

    holly shit, amazing. Literally it's my dream camera the siii. And it was difficult to set a difference between both cameras. Nice vid. I loved it. Cheers!

  • 3 жыл бұрын

    I love the iso test.

  • @andyrechenberg
    @andyrechenberg3 жыл бұрын

    I like the a7SIII in both cases. The test versus the Venice was a easier because it feels the IBIS was a giveaway. Thanks for the comparison.

  • @Dartheomus
    @Dartheomus3 жыл бұрын

    Great comparison video! The A7SIII stacked up well, though the yellows appeared to really over-saturate. One question about the magenta shift: I completely saw what you meant when you pulled the magenta out and messed up the grade entirely. Do you think, rather than subtract it away, if you compressed it in a specific region (maybe in the darks) that you could get rid of the magenta look without damaging skin tones?

  • @sergiosanchez2012

    @sergiosanchez2012

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes... Thats the best way to it, using a special node and substract the magenta on the shadows... Or the fastest, using an IR filters. Expensive cameras has IR lowpass filter on the sensor, the cheap cameras doesnt.

  • @Dartheomus

    @Dartheomus

    Жыл бұрын

    @@sergiosanchez2012 Cool! Thanks for the confirmation!

  • @javajack-1
    @javajack-13 жыл бұрын

    Really enjoyed this comparison. I’ve had the new A7S3 for a few weeks and have shot a couple of commercials with excellent results. Am not seeing the magenta issue of previous cameras here. How are you processing the footage, Davinci Resolve? Assume S-Gamut3 to Rec709? I used DSC color charts to test when I first received and don’t see magenta there, either.

  • @alwinbenjamin
    @alwinbenjamin2 жыл бұрын

    Bless you sir. 🙌🏻

  • @camicees
    @camicees3 жыл бұрын

    Dave is killing it as the new host!

  • @eastonchang
    @eastonchang3 жыл бұрын

    This is the best quality, practical and entertaining video on the A7S3 by far.

  • @nyambe
    @nyambe3 жыл бұрын

    I would love to see: the same team, the same assignment, 3 different cameras.

  • @indymogul

    @indymogul

    3 жыл бұрын

    Great idea!

  • @fantagaming2190

    @fantagaming2190

    3 жыл бұрын

    but same lenses

  • @neofilm

    @neofilm

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, like with the xt4!

  • @aarontech
    @aarontech3 жыл бұрын

    good review, itching to see a7Siii vs BMPCC 4k & 6k tho *nudge nudge* :P

  • @alex.muntean
    @alex.muntean3 жыл бұрын

    Hi Dave. Yes, I would like to see how the other picture profiles in the A7SIII stack up (No PP, Movie, Cine2/4 and especially HLG3 with Rec709) . I use the A7III and different profiles look different to each other. Thanks!

  • @GeoffreyGonzales
    @GeoffreyGonzales3 жыл бұрын

    i hâte 😦 these thumbnails

  • 3 жыл бұрын

    That ISO test result is mindblowing 😱

  • @hazemeido3567
    @hazemeido35673 жыл бұрын

    Do you think this skintones issue can be solved if we go with the prores raw ?

  • @dadverb
    @dadverb3 жыл бұрын

    VERY excited to upgrade to the A7SIII

  • @loudandclearmedia
    @loudandclearmedia3 жыл бұрын

    Would love to see some interior shots with blowing windows to really flex that highlight rolloff. I suspect the differences would then be more pronounced in favor of the cine cams.

  • @oliver_peng
    @oliver_peng3 жыл бұрын

    Nice video! I was able to guess the Arri and Venice on both tests with a high degree of confidence. Since dynamic range wasn't an issue, the giveaway was the color science, especially how they reacted to artificial lighting. The A7S3 had a much stronger yellow cast any time artificial lights came into play. See 1:50, 2:31, 2:51. You see the same issues in the low light test; the purple kicker light looks super electric on the A7S3. Next, skin tones. At 5:32, 5:40, the Venice has a much nicer skin tone whereas the A7S3 he has a strong yellow cast on his right cheek. Same at 6:34. In the low light test, his skin looks anemic in the A7S3. Lastly color palette. The A7S3 has more electric saturated "video" colors, whereas the Arri and Sony have a more "filmic" color palette. You can really see it in the yellows, blues, and greens. (2:09, 2:48 for how blues compare, 5:47, 6:57 for how yellows & greens compare).

  • @AdemVessell
    @AdemVessell3 жыл бұрын

    hmm. It appears that green was introduced when correcting the A7Siii. I could tell instantly which was which, focus and textures and stability aside just due to whatever happened with the color. To be frank the siii is killer, i will be getting one...but I really wasn't the biggest fan of any of the colors or shots from these comparisons of any of the cameras lol....no matter still love y'all! and THANKS for the peek

  • @indymogul

    @indymogul

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the comment!

  • @scottgmaclean
    @scottgmaclean3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the comparison test. I guessed the wrong camera! The footage from the Sony looked more “organic” than I expected. Kudos to your colour correction too... subtle yet “filmic”! The ultimate takeaway: sony A7Siii is a beast. I am keen to see the Canon C70 and Sony fx6... and then decide my next camera purchase!

  • @Danielevans2
    @Danielevans23 жыл бұрын

    I WAS CONVINCED THAT SONY FOOTAGE WAS THE ARRI!! THAT'S INSANE!

  • @IvanGRANID
    @IvanGRANID3 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely Great!!!!!! cant see any difference!

  • @dlyon9673
    @dlyon96733 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for a great review. I look forward to a comparison of the A7 SIII with the new Canon EOS C70!

  • @amdenis
    @amdenis3 жыл бұрын

    Yup, especially when we dropped the audio to our 12-bit ATOMOS and linear 16-bit NL recorder, it was pushable beyond our 2019 C500 and the footage from rented F35 and S35 ARRI's that we have. And was a lot less problematic in terms of overheating than our RED and no noise to boot! It is just a pure pleasure to work with these amazing little powerhouse mirrorless cams; and even the 10-bit ProRes makes several of our moderately expensive cams fairly irrelevant. We had to return the eval, but ordered 4 A7SIII's, a bunch of parfocal and vintage cine and stilld glass and after selling the other Canons, two BM 4K Production EF's, a RED and related gear, we liberated a lot of money. And we went 100% 10Gbit backbone to RAID 60's, added DANTE AV and allocated budget for a VFX editor and new bay. When you add to the fact that we will likely be saving a few people's backs, the initial week we spent coming up with custom LUT's and scripts makes the new SONY a no-brainer for us. THANK YOU SONY!

  • @cassianpeterson1830
    @cassianpeterson18303 жыл бұрын

    Hi! How Are You? I'm good ☆ which camera did you used to record and compare the cameras? please answer me!🙂🙏🙏👏 me from Brazil 🇧🇷🇧🇷

  • @FTGTapGod
    @FTGTapGod3 жыл бұрын

    I'd love to see a similar video with the Z Cam F6!

  • @tbuelna
    @tbuelna3 жыл бұрын

    When the image is so close, that 60k vs $3500 is a no-brainer. Again, I realize KZread compression, but damn!!! Sony all day!!

  • @dorokhovos
    @dorokhovos3 жыл бұрын

    Honestly, I so don't care about the cameras but I'm so enjoying Dave's editing and vibes!

  • @NafisAhmed73
    @NafisAhmed733 жыл бұрын

    thanksfor showing us a real world comparison/usecase.. and that squarespace ad on point as always :v

  • @mahartman
    @mahartman2 жыл бұрын

    12bit @ 4444 is the piece that is hard to lose from the Alexa for me, but the Sony camera in the right situations looks great! Something to say about versatility versus portability, and that the gap is getting smaller. The Alexa is a weapon, plain and simple- it is such a versatile camera and can be stretched so far on the day and in the grade. But these smaller cameras are making something really impressive! Still gotta hone your skills to make an image great, but the right tools are always a great place to start. Preaching to myself 😌

  • @ThatBeAaron
    @ThatBeAaron3 жыл бұрын

    Jesus the production behind this video is crazy, hoping my vids will reach their soon!

  • @philpritchard5173
    @philpritchard51733 жыл бұрын

    Great video thanks. Would love to compare Alexa, Ursa G2, BMPCC 4k with A7S111?

  • @BlackEagle352
    @BlackEagle3523 жыл бұрын

    This is nice and all, but KZread compression makes it difficult to judge.

  • @prayforpeace2204

    @prayforpeace2204

    3 жыл бұрын

    Exactly... so it really doesn’t matter what you use eh

  • @kenkamara
    @kenkamara3 жыл бұрын

    can you tell me what your shoot settings were for each camera?

  • @ElectricAirStudios
    @ElectricAirStudios3 жыл бұрын

    Please make that full review! Thank you Indy Mogul!

  • @mpcbsar
    @mpcbsar3 жыл бұрын

    Just looked at the focusing and was able to tell which was which between the a7s3 and arri. The comparison between the two sonys were much more difficult.

  • @JasonDavid9
    @JasonDavid93 жыл бұрын

    Can you do a raw video comparison of all 3 camera's in the future?

  • @indymogul

    @indymogul

    3 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely!

  • @jayel27
    @jayel273 жыл бұрын

    Great review. Any reason why you shoot vlog style footage instead of maybe doc style or even a scene from a short film? We know the A7s iii is a great camera. The other two cameras are not being used for vlogs. Would love to see it in a different use case. Thanks for the comparison 👊🏽

  • @richarddzisiewski7197
    @richarddzisiewski71973 жыл бұрын

    Now that's a very interesting comparison that will be debated for a while for sure...can't wait to get my hands on the A7siii. Nice piece

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