the aperture ring is a strange omission considering almost every other new Sony G lens has one

This is simply amazing from Sony. My favourite 70-200 - excellent image quality and rendering. Decisions made by Sony are very practical for photographers.

f/4 zoom macro is like the perfect product photograph lens I've always wanted.

Thanks! As always a most interesting and informative well designed review.

I did not expect this to be launched today, it's very high on my list, especially with Macro!

The ability to use the 1.4x and 2.0x extender is a big deal to me. This was one of the reasons I sold my old 70-200 f4 and picked up the 2.8 Mark II. I also like the "Macro". It is a "good enough" "macro" for how I would use it. I also like the faster AF system as sometimes shoot with my A1 - especially with sports. Part of me would have preferred an internal zoom but I lived with 100-400 lenses for enough years and never had issues with them so I can also live with this. And it will work better in my lightweight kit. I am actually glad if they in fact do not include a tripod collar. I will very likely wait for and aftermarket model that is built to be used with an Arch-Swiss clamp.

Last night I went with it to cover a 15th birthday party, the light was awful (at night, some weak yellow light bulbs) so his f4 hurt a little to focus, however together with the camera and a good balance it was possible, using the flash to reflect and illuminate the lenses well I was able to get amazing photos for 95% of the shots I took. If it had been f2.8 at least it would be perfect, but the tracking capabilities, the speed of focusing and its zoom make it perfect for many situations.

Interesting to see the different approaches being taken by the three companies: Canon and Sony with f2.8 and f4.0 alternatives, Nikon with a reduced focal length, lower spec f2.8 alternative to the pro f2.8. I don't think there is a bad lens between them. So, as long as you can pay the 1500 to 2000 Euro for the "cheap" versions, I say with some irony, the consumer wins. I like that Sony didn't follow Canon's very questionable choice of not making their 70-200 teleconvertor compatible (yes, Jared, we know you hate TCs...).

Love your reviews. Thank you.

Will wait to see comparisons with Tamron 70-180/2.8.

you mentioned pairing it with the 20-70/4.0G lens, I think it would also go very well with the established 24-105/4.0G, my favorite all around travel lens

@danhiggins8733

11 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. I sold my 24-105 to get the 20-70 f2.8 Mark II which I do love. But when I want to go light I miss the 24-105. I am hoping they will bring out a 24-105 Mark II at some point.

@seth094978

11 ай бұрын

Plus if you're in a situation where you frequently want like 55-85, having to swap lenses all the time because you have no overlap would get old. 24-105 definitely seems like a good idea.

@richardgeorge3115

8 ай бұрын

It does come with a tripod foot ring

@Chris-ey7zy

3 ай бұрын

@@richardgeorge3115that’s what I thought

Awesome stuff!.. very intriguing to consider especially for the price point and that "Macro capability" crazy how they don't put the same "Macro capability" on the 2.8?..you would've thought Sony would have put that on the 2.8 before they would on this F4....it always a give and take with the "F4" even "F2.8" lenses once it starts getting dark..and you have less light to work with..the lens becomes compromised..obviously you are not going to use it as much in low light conditions unless you have some flashes..etc..

Was planning to downgrade from the GMII if it was TC compatible... But that price gap isn't close enough to do so. Puzzling but I guess it's nice to have justification to stick with the better lens lol

Ehhh, not a fan of the extendo-zoom. I appreciate that it makes things smaller, but the original f/4 wasn't all that big to begin with. It also makes dust and moisture ingress easier. I'm also really disappointed it doesn't come with a tripod collar in the box. I do like the sound of the macro capabilities, as well as the ability to use teleconverters. Chris, DMF = direct manual focus, not dynamic. Also, when you have zoom lenses, is there a chance you could do some measurements towards the center of the zoom range as well? Something like 135mm, in this case.

I wish you guys would test Sony lenses for video.

you guys forgot to mention the video aspects as focus breathing, parfocal ability, MF experience

It's quite an expensive lens - at least in Europe. 2000€ for an f4 is a lot of money. On the other hand it seems sharp and has a fast autofocus. But I prefer faster lenses like the Tamron 35-150mm f2.0f2.8.

@SDK2006b

11 ай бұрын

Or the Tamron 70-180 F2.8

@POVwithRC

11 ай бұрын

​​Does the 70-180 have stabilization?

@SDK2006b

11 ай бұрын

@@POVwithRC - it doesn’t have IS. I’ve found I don’t need it for outdoor sports

@POVwithRC

11 ай бұрын

@@SDK2006b Sounds like cope to me.

@SDK2006b

11 ай бұрын

@@POVwithRC - shutter speeds are at least 1/500, even faster at F2.8. Lens IS is doing nothing at these speeds.

Thanks! How does it compare with the new Nikon 70-180/2.8 non- S lens?

Really need something new to test lenses for... all mayor brands these days have optically pretty much perfect glass and the AF is quick... i was searching quite a lot for anything that could be wrong these

External zoom hurts me inside. But it is pretty smol when collapsed so that's a good consolation prize. It was time for the gen 1 to go. Question: How do you handled being asked about embargo'd products if someone sees you with them in public?

@RandomTheories

11 ай бұрын

"this is not the lens you are looking for" _waving the hand in the air_

@Durio_zibethinus

11 ай бұрын

Chris will use his forbidden technique, a talk no jutsu which is changing every conversation in 100 meters radius into fly fishing topic. The drawback is it consumes Jordan's sanity like a vampire bat.

@POVwithRC

11 ай бұрын

@@Durio_zibethinus I think you have nailed it. 🎣

Still Tamron 70-180 for me, faster 2.8 and cheaper.

@opx4real

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, that Tamron has it's faults for sure. But so does this, for up to $800 more.

Awesome!

Sony is killing it right now. I remember when the NEX range was announced and the CEO said the were all in on developing the best autofocus system. They’ve succeeded, but they have also become one of the best lens makers in the world at the same time. Quite an achievement.

Thanks for the review. Though longer than a Canon It is still a great Sony lens for those who wishes to have Sony native lens with OIS and 30fps (would a A1 owner buy this over GM II?). Personally I still prefer the versatility of the combination setup of a Tamron 35-150mm f/2.0-f/2.8 and the Sony A7R V's 60MP/26MP (super sampling sharper than 33MP A7 IV image) and skip carrying all the extra weight or the need of swapping prime/macro/zoom lenses. Maybe a small and lightweight 16-28mm or 16-35mm in a small backpack/sling or even a full size flash that is able to manufacture light when I needed which is much more useful at all time. Tamron 35-150mm f/2.0-f/2.8 focal range with Full-Frame and APS-C mode: @ f/2.0 Total available range: 35mm-58.5mm (FF range: 35mm-39mm + APS-C range: 52.5mm-58.5mm) @ f/2.2 Total available range: 40mm-88.5mm (FF range: 40mm-59mm + APS-C range: 60.0mm-88.5mm @ f/2.5 Total available range: 60mm-118.0mm (FF range: 60mm-79mm + APS-C range: 90.0mm-118.0mm) @ f/2.8 Total available range: 80mm-225.0mm (FF range: 80mm-150mm + APS-C range: 120.0mm-225.0mm)

Other reviewers are implying, if not stating categorically, that the tripod collar is included. Also, the lens has 4 xd motors, not two as stated in the video. There are 2 xd motors on each of two lens groups. Very strange review.

@animegeek6118

10 күн бұрын

It’s included. I have this lens.

I'd love to watch a shootout of 70-200 f/4 lenses. I love my RF version but I'm considering going to Sony, so a comparison would be cool.

This 70-200 F4 lens and the really outstanding 20-70 F4 is an incredible combination.

Can I use this macro lens for wildlife Safari photos and videos? Or which lens is good for wildlife

would you choose it over the f 1/2.8 sigma?

I'll be rocking the 20-70mm f/4 + this 70-200 f/4 macro when I go to India and Nepal. Only concern is that the white lens will make me stand out, when i just want to blend into the crowd.

@breadandcircuses5644

7 күн бұрын

Yeah, it is not exactly a street lense 😀

When paired with the A7RV, this lens will be amazing for film scanning (probably an overkill).

@taylorhickman84

11 күн бұрын

I think the 90mm macro would be better suited for that task

How the sharpness compare to 70-200 OSS G f4 ?

I can't imagine people buying this lens over the Tamron 70-180mm f/2.8, unless they are people like me who intend mainly to shoot macro with it, probably with a teleconverter or with an aps-c camera.

@erikandersenphoto631

11 ай бұрын

People seem to love the Tamron but the focus breathing and ugly bokeh make it a no-go for me.

@DrWurzeli

11 ай бұрын

there is no image stabilization on the Tamron as well + closeup quality is a clear win for Sony

@shang-hsienyang1284

11 ай бұрын

@@DrWurzeli close-up macro capabilities is why I still want to buy it anyways. But at this price point I probably won't recommend portrait photographers to get it (presumably any one would ask me this kind of question) What's wrong with the Tamron bokeh though?

@megamastah

12 күн бұрын

I agree that Tamron might be a better choice strictly for a faster universal telephoto (though 35-150 f/2-2.8 would be much better choice for that, a one size fits all). But that Sony offers macro, TC compatibility (a venture into wildlife/birding), OSS, a bit better focus/sharpness, smaller/lighter. It's just more versatile as a 70-300 telephoto (or 70-400 with 2x TC) + constant macro at all of these focal ranges (great compression, more working distance).

@breadandcircuses5644

7 күн бұрын

I shoot mainly wildlife and sport. I compared the Sony to the V2 version of the Tamron 70-180 and to me the more reliable autofocus of the Sony was the main deciding factor. Other smaller factors were the capability to use TCs, the slightly smaller and lighter package and the slightly longer reach. The downside is obviously the darker aperture of the Sony, but the vast majority of images I take with this lense are in broad daylight at f/5.6 - f/8 anyway. I waited for a deal and I eventually got it at 1.600 EUR incl. tax.

How is the focus breathing?

Sold!!

8:00 Like the water bottle. ;-)

in the LoCA example i ignored the caption and though... HOLY SHIT SONY WHYYYY puhhh i'm a L-Mount shooter... but that really scared me

Is it parfocal? Love the size!

@POVwithRC

11 ай бұрын

Brockhurst did some parfocal testing. It's close but no cigar.

@JeahnLaffitte

11 ай бұрын

@@POVwithRC rad. Thank you!

I prefer the old F4.0 internal zoom. Just one less thing to fail. But I understand the need for a compact form factor.

@marco_prolo

11 ай бұрын

Funny thing: It's only compact when it's not extended. Fully zoomed in it's actually longer than the old one...

@snoopy178

11 ай бұрын

@@marco_prolo agreed, but compact for storage in your camera bag is arguably the main advantage.

@Chris-ey7zy

3 ай бұрын

Macro

I like how the cats didn’t have cats eyes but the bokeh did

Ongoing pet peeve (PetaPeeve?): It's “damped”, not “dampened.” Dampened is what Chris's hair gets when he slips and falls in a trout stream.

hi? is this lens is better than 24-105 f4 ? Should i switch?

@greasyflight6609

8 ай бұрын

Probably...but I would never sell my 24-105 G...ever

I have the 70-200 gm version I and the 90 mm macro. Do you think it would be worth it to sell both and buy this new 70-200 f/4 macro?

@taylorhickman84

11 күн бұрын

It's not as sharp as the 90mm macro. If you shoot 1:1 macro with flash, keep the 90mm.

@warrenchu1166

10 күн бұрын

@@taylorhickman84 Thank you, that's one thing I was worried about!

Lumix s II shines in this video. There is huge difference in dynamic range between GH6 and S II 👌🏻

$1700 for a 70-200/4. I don't know, bruh, that's a lot for the "slow" 70-200.

Do u got ur silver button

I would have liked to know how it compers to Tamron's 70-180. Exact same size, barely lighter. And the price! 🙄 I'd go with the Tamron everyday.

@luislopesmetrology3144

11 ай бұрын

Yes, price difference is quite big, if you consider an f4 to f2.8. But they are different beasts. On one side, you have the 1stop extra. The other, Macro, fast focus, great sharpness and contrast from f4 with minimum fall of and TC that brings 1:1 macro, is really interesting! If the price is apropriate to what it gives, I'm not sure! I like however that sony isn't doing what everybody else is doing!

@ZafarKarimov

9 ай бұрын

but there is no optic stabilization

Excellent. What do we know about the price?

@Jagrajagra

11 ай бұрын

Here in the U.K., it’s around £1700. Which I guess means around $1700 to $1900 in the USA. I personally think is around £300 more than I’d pay. Especially without aperture ring or some kind of zoom clutch. The zoom lock wasn’t explained, so I’m anticipating it only locks at the 70mm.

@driv3rkarim

11 ай бұрын

@@Jagrajagra It only locks at the 70mm position according to Dustin Abbot

@stefan_becker

11 ай бұрын

2000€ in Germany

You are all of you lining up to convince me to buy it! As of 12/24/23 still resisting.

@alonsogarrote8898

4 ай бұрын

Im going to resist from today onwards...until I get the $$$$

OK, stop me if I'm the only one here, but didn't this episode seem like a list of "eh, it's okay," or minor complaints, followed by "this is a great lens?"

Price please?

Really bummed by all these lenses not being internally focusing anymore. The ability to keep dust out due to not extending when zooming is far more useful than saving an inch or two inside a bag.

@oversemper

11 ай бұрын

f2.8 is internal which comes at a price.

@CybrSlydr

11 ай бұрын

@@oversemper Yeah, nearly $3k is waaaay too much. Just wish this one kept the internal focusing, especially as bad as Sony is with it's dust/weather sealing.

I despise the trend away from internal focusing lenses. The brilliant handling experience of internal focusing lenses is being scarificed on the altar of compactness. *sigh*

Looks like I need to start a gofundme page.

I miss being a Peta-pixy :( Stop censoring Chris!

@cameraconspiracies is gonna be all over that for his wildlife videos.

The Holy Grail is Here. Guys Realistic I rarely use less than f 5.6

How does it compare with third-party lens such as Tamron 70-300mm?

@stefan_becker

11 ай бұрын

I think the Sony is clearly better, but also at more than twice the price.

In which Chris finds the sketchiest mattress

do i already see some dust in it at 2m44?

I am not convinced this 700-200 F4 can compete against the Tamron 35-150 f2-2.8, which is just $200 more.

@MarcelVolker

11 ай бұрын

It's much smaller and lighter, which for many people (including myself) is important.

Hoping for a small G master version in 2 years

@tylerjames3620

11 ай бұрын

They just released the 2.8 GM not to king ago. I don’t think they will release a f4 GM.

@Kevon420

11 ай бұрын

This is that lens.

Looking at Cat soy at 5:59 and at the cat's eye at 6:14

Catsoy effect. 🐾

This would be a good lens for U$1200 tops, seems overpriced for an f4

@alonsogarrote8898

4 ай бұрын

maybe but this one can also 0.5 macro at ALL focal ranges....

Really disappointed they didn't match Canon's 70-200's weight... which is 100g lighter. And where's the aperture ring?

@kanaheiusagi

11 ай бұрын

Sony's got 1:2 macro and can use extenders. 100g isn't a big deal.

@travis8665

11 ай бұрын

Just go to a gym. If 100g makes a difference you might need to really get into training.

@Someone-lc6dc

11 ай бұрын

@@travis8665 don’t be so narrow-minded - we’re talking here about having a backpack full of gear, not carrying this one lens only; plus, 1699usd is definitely too much for this lens

@gordonvanbiljon5517

11 ай бұрын

Then don't buy it. Get something that suits your needs.

@chrisshawcross7033

6 ай бұрын

Go buy the canon then

Sure about the teleconverter? The predecessor couldn't do that.

@fromia1

11 ай бұрын

They are compatible with this lens.

@PetaPixel

11 ай бұрын

Yes. It works with both teleconverters and as a bonus, it gets 1:1 macro when you use the 2x. - Jaron

RIP Internal zoom.

I love how everyone is just simply redefining the word "macro" because Sony told them to. It's "macrish."

@MarcelVolker

11 ай бұрын

"Macro" has been used by manufacturers through the ages as a marketing term for "reasonably OK image quality when focusing close to MFD" or "can focus a bit closer than most lenses of this type". I have an SLR Sigma 24mm "macro" (because it can focus 30cm away) and I used to have a Tamron 70-300mm "macro" (because images at 2m away weren't awful).

@GrantSR

11 ай бұрын

@@MarcelVolker As we all know, 472 wrongs don't make a right. 🤦

I have heard from several reviewers on youtube, i.a. that if you have a Sony FE 70-200mm F2.8 GM OSS II with OSS = built-in stabilization in the lens, this MUST COOPERATE with that in the camera = IBIS. But I get this message: !Lens Invalid with this lens. Perform the action on the lens if the lens has a SteadyShot switch. How should I interpret this? Is it a "bug" in the firmware? Is the information about collaboration between the two just nonsense? Now when everyone reviews the new 70-200 f4 macro it sounds the same: They work together, BOTH US in the lens AND IBIS in the camera work together. Listen. ".... and I saw very little difference between the lens using both OSS and IBIS and the lens relying on just the IBIS..." So: What about that thing? Does anyone really KNOW how it works? Grateful for answers ! There must be a REASON for the message I get on the camera display. Either I have been misled to believe that OSS+IBIS = TRUE or I have misunderstood everything.

"Peta pixel views" That's not a rhyme or a pun. :(

6:07 don't you mean "Cat Soy" effect? 🙃

Why is he speaking so fast?

@ZafarKarimov

9 ай бұрын

because he is rush. Time=money

Although sharper, faster AF, and can do Macro, this new f4 has a TERRIBLY loose focus ring and uneven resistance on the zoom. I recently uploaded a video on my channel that highlights the poor build quality. The original mark 1, IMHO, is still awesome!!

@SPDTDL

3 ай бұрын

You got a bad copy, mine is fine!

@tkarim

3 ай бұрын

@@SPDTDL I tested the floor model at BH Photo, my new copy, and another test model at Milford Photo (CT). All exhibit the same sloppy focus ring as described by Chris in this review. The best focus ring of any 70-200 zoom is on the original Sony F4. Bar none.

@SPDTDL

3 ай бұрын

@@tkarim my original F4 snapped in half. 😱

I was excited to hear about this lens, but there are three significant reasons why I wouldn’t buy it. 1: A lack of zoom clutch control or zoom lock at different focal lengths is a major oversight for such an expensive G lens and zoom creep is a major frustration after a while. I really wanted that or the internal zoom at least . 2: I really hate the absence of an aperture ring. It’s a personal thing, I know. But I hate the dial being on the body. And 3, the price. That’s the biggest problem with buying into Sony. The lenses are just way too expensive.

@POVwithRC

11 ай бұрын

Can't have everything for nothing, my friend.

@SheenValentineLi

11 ай бұрын

If price is the biggest problem, aren't other brands worse since they don't have third party options available? Tamron 70-180 is a great option if price is an issue.

this is not a reviews this is just a sales pitch like everything else what comes from this guy. wouldn't it be interesting to know how it performs compared to the GMII which is not that much more expansive or how it performs compared to the older version ?

100g heavier than the Canon. The 2.8 version is lighter than the Canon.

It really doesn't look like a Sony lens. Perhaps it was outsourced?

That doesn't seem that close for being labeled a macro? I can get pretty close also with my rf 70-200 2.8 and also really close with my rf 100-500 I done amazing bee macro stuff with them. And canon doesn't even labal them as macro.

@chrisshawcross7033

6 ай бұрын

Go by a canon then..

Sony Fan Boys! DP Review used to review a multitude of brands. Sony Money!

Jesus, the pricing on this is AWFUL.

Way overpriced for what it is. It’s also not a macro lens if the bare lens isn’t 1:1. This is just a way for Sony to sell a lens and tc bringing the price over 2k. I will stick with my 100-400, 70-200GMii and 90mm true macro lens. This lens should be no more than $1200 imo

@chrisshawcross7033

6 ай бұрын

If it's over priced why u watching the review

Intro is tiring to watch

Mongs and their arrows pointing to the obvious