Issues and corrections to errors I made in the video! See below; Reavers ARE Line in Black Reaving. Don't know how I screwed that up, but yeah, I did, so I am correcting it! Dark Emissary is not a Consul for Sons of Horus, its a consul for other traitor Astartes to Ally in, which can be done quite easily as they have many friends.

When I play sons, I always use my Justearins as a shock force, deep striking right into hordes and vehicles I want dead, 2x10 man squads(8 stock and 2 melta and Pfist) always cause my opponents to loose momentum hard, wiping out anything they come into contact Be it dreadnoughts or Spartans The fist and meltas take them out in 1 phase most the times And the reavers are the GOAT Hand flamers and axes are the goat Nothing can withstand a 5 man Flamer template when you position right, let alone a 10 man horde

Yeah Reaver's definitely have line with the black reaving ROW but not the jump pack squad version unfortunately. My plan is to run the black reaving with a master of signals, Abaddon, 5-10 justaerin, two squads of 10 Reavers on foot and a 9 man jump pack reaver command squad with the banner to give them line, a squad of cheiftans with a banner and a contemptor+ Spartan in bigger games. Reckon it's a good way to get line on most of your units

@ValkyrieCain05

Жыл бұрын

The updated PDF gives them the line unit when using the black reaving row

Hey Macca The reavers get the troop line type with the Black Reaving trait. For this reason I’ll be going for 3 units of 15 or 2 units of 20.

@ricktoriousgamer

2 жыл бұрын

And chosen by dark gods includes a +1 S. Few mistakes in this one that got me thinking I was cheating in my games...

@Jsay18

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, they weren't scoring back in 1.0's The Black Reaving RoW. He's been in HH 1.0 since 6th-7th edition.

@Joshbond.

Жыл бұрын

@@Jsay18 There were characters that made Reavers scoring in HH 1.0. Was either Horus or Maloghurst The RoW for SoH in 1.0 were 100x better than the 2.0 ones.

@Jsay18

Жыл бұрын

@@Joshbond. Maloghurst, and his entire thing was "they're scoring now, he's scoring too!" which you don't want your HQ and Elites to do, they should be out there killing not holding down objectives.

@mikediamond1234

Жыл бұрын

Just know a squad of reavers with lightning claws is 475 pts and a 20 man unit is 925pts

So excited for the next episode. All hail Magnus the Red! I hope you feel better

Quick note about the -1 to strength for Sons of Horus, you always apply the multiplication first then any addition or subtraction. So power fists would be str 7. Pg 147. Rule book. Multiple modifiers.

@TheOuterCircle

2 жыл бұрын

Well, colour me wrong! Still, immune to instant death either way!

@Twhylight1

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheOuterCircle Si, still immune to instant death, still very strong :)

@marcmiddleton2277

2 жыл бұрын

I have heard it the other way so many times on different pages. Glad someone posted the rule page.

@Joshbond.

Жыл бұрын

@@marcmiddleton2277 People do not know math

@marcmiddleton2277

Жыл бұрын

@@Joshbond. not really a rule of math, depends how it's written for game. Is it reducing the units base strength or the final weapon strength.

I love you, The Outer Circle. . World Eaters FTW 🔥

you could get around the lack of line by taking a herald or two and grab a retinue squad with a standard, but maybe that's trying to be a little too meta.

@liammorgan1413

2 жыл бұрын

The Herald idea really depends on how many points and HQ slots you want to give up in order to accomplish it. It's memetic at best, but by the math alone you're better off just paying for units that already come pre-packaged with the Line Sub-Type, either by default or by Rite of War. Not only is it cheaper, but short of a squad wipe it's also less prone to losing the sub-type due to sniping. Retinue are damn good to have as bodyguards for those with the Master of the Legion special rule though.

@mariottbunbury1985

Жыл бұрын

I run reaving, 2 reaver squads each with 7 men, a rhino and a chaplin 3 tac squads An horus all as line When you are lacking over all builds like other leigons such as fist, there is no such thing as meta

Love these videos

I'm making some PDF Reavers, it's book correct for me. I want give a couple the SoH power axe with the chain axes on the others. Plus 2 meltaguns

Carason Power Axe is basically just a better power sword. +1 chance of getting AP2 and it's specialist weapon so combine it with a power fist or thunderhammer and you have an extra attack to try to trigger that AP2, which is what I'll be doing for a few of my HQs. Thematic to use their legion weapon and the de-chaosed CSM axe looks quite good and stands in quite well. And I'm envious of you just having a cold, was hoping to get some work done on my SoH but the 'rona has kicked me in the balls.

Death dealers is 100% misunderstood here. If you read the rule very carefully, whenever a SoH unit is the target of an attacking unit within 12" of the attacking unit, a SoH unit may fire at the attacking unit at +1BS. This does not mean the SoH unit firing at the attacking unit needs to be within 12" of the attacking unit, it just means that a SoH unit needs to within 12" and targetted by a shooting attack by an enemy unit. So essentially, any SoH unit within line of sight of the attacking unit can shoot, no matter the distance. No where does it say that the SoH unit must be within 12" to fire at the attacking unit. It just says to trigger this reaction a SoH unit must have been the target of an attack and within 12" of the attacking unit. The shooting is effectively carried out at the same time by both the SoH unit and attacking unit. So its not one unit shoots first and takes casualties and then the other shoots, they shoot at the same time and both take casulaties. So if both units have 10 models each, all 10 per unit will shoot and then casualties removed from each. The final sentence of death dealers clarifies this. Also Black Reaving is slightly different for the first rule. When a unit is the target of another charge and is then charged by a unit, the unit gains Rage(2). So if I have a unit 11.5" away and I declare a charge and fail, another unit within 4" declares a charge on the same target and succeeds, the unit that charged within 4" will gain rage(2) because another SoH unit declared a charge on the unit it charged. So it can be done very tactically, although it can be counted quite easily if the opponent reacts with a disordered reaction essently removing the rage(2) sadly.

Great content. Maybe you could explain how to equip tactical and cataphractii squads? With lots of options not everyone is able to pickup the best wargear for your squads. What to choose as standard and what to add if you got spare points... Anyway thanks for another great video.

I'm from the future; jump pack Reavers count!

Reavers are Line in Black Reaving Death Dealers does allow for the enemy firing back. There's a clause at the end. I read it the same way at first but it's not and that makes it very meh. It looks like it may have been written without that clause at first but that was too strong so they added that clause. Dark Emissary is not a Consul for Sons of Horus, its a consul for other traitors to Ally in, it sucks for a main army SoH. Legion Standards give you Line, so you are ALWAYS going to be taking that retinue Justaerin with standard. Especially if you take Abaddon, who is one of the good things about SoH now. Line from Legion Standars also makes Maloghurst pretty useful. Reavers look good, until you compare them to Veteran. Yes you lose out on chainaxes and precision strikes/shoot but vets are cheaper, still keep WS5 2W 2A and double close combat weapons but gain a ranged attack, can take cheaper power weapons ( 5 points might be worth equipping the whole squad), can take banestrike squad wide. And that's only if you keep them to the same close assault role. They also have all the more ranged wargear too, Nemesis Bolters for one. Chieftain Squad is ok but your Retinue is gonna be taken up by Justaerin most times I think. Sons of Horus were a low end mediocre Legion with a glass hammer but pays off if you are smart Legion trait and are now a low end mediocre Legion with a rather reactive Legion Trait. If you are facing a ranged army and you will as these new reactions favour ranged armies massively, the trait does nothing.

@richarddagger4954

2 жыл бұрын

Also, death dealer doesn't specify that your unit that shoots has to be the unit the enemy targeted. The wording is different to return fire, which doesn't specify that it must be the unit the enemy targeted.

That was awesome, thank you. No Chieftain squad though? What are your thoughts on them Macca?

Sons of Horus are a fun legion, and the first one I am building with my new boxes. Building mine as a "Spear Tip" SoH themed list with a lot of tacticals (4x20) at 3500pts. Probably not very competitive but I'm more about painting and the casual friendly games than tournament play. Great video, hope you are on the mend.

I can already sense the pre-salt for Custodes, lol

Reavers gain line in the Black Reaving

If I was to make a Luna Wolves Loyalist force, would I be able to have Justaerin, lorewise? Or did they all side with Horus?

@TheOuterCircle

Жыл бұрын

All sided with Horus, they were Abaddon's hand-picked troops of the First Company, so if there were any loyalists, they have 'accidents'.

What do you think of the Chieftain squad from Exemplary Battles in the Age of Darkness: The Battle ofTrisolian: Vengeful Spirit?

Nice Macca

Do you think the rights of war “may take x as non-compulsory troops” not having the line rule is an oversight, or is it an intentional decision?

Command squads are line, which kinda feels like they are mandatory now.

As black reaving requires more fast attack, would it be a good idea or bad idea to include seeker squads?

The special axes being specialist weapons also crest a good way to give Power fist and lightning claw Despoiler SGTs a way to get an extra attack on the cheap while giving them another a weapon option

@jeremypalmer1012

2 жыл бұрын

Assault Squads as well can take a Carsoran Axe and Powerfist or Lightning Claw combo.

@marcmiddleton2277

2 жыл бұрын

So wait they can take a power weapon(Carsoran axe) and a power fist or Lightning claw?

@worst411

2 жыл бұрын

sounds interesting but that would make a 1W dude from 10-12 pt to almost 40 points right? a bit expensive?

@marcmiddleton2277

2 жыл бұрын

No they can't take a powerfist and carsoran Axe. They have to take a chain axe and the second weapon will be one of the others. Nothing replaces the chain axe.

I liked this video. Felt balanced in praise and critique. Just like the army.

I built like 40 something terminators for my iron warriors and fuck I felt horrible when I fielded 30 of em against an imperial fist gent literally shot a squad with every squad he had killed 1 and then did a single wound that I that my feel no pain took, I’m not doing that to someone again

@Charles-qu5rz

Жыл бұрын

he was playing imperial fists, he deserves it

A few things to keep in mind: the Master of Signals has a Vox Disruptor Array, which screws up all deep strikes, regardless of friendly or enemy by making them disordered on a 1, 2 and 3. This is a complete no-go with the black reaving giving Justaerin deep strike. Second is that the Dark Emissary sadly only gives stubborn to your SoH units in an *allied* detachment.

@TheOuterCircle

2 жыл бұрын

Good point on the allied detachment! As for the Master of Signals, nobody said he had to start on the table.... just has to be in your list.

@lesbianmorgoth652

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheOuterCircle true! Still a bit rough, since you probably do want it messing up any opponents at the beginning, but a nice RoW nonetheless. Wish all the Legions were on the same level as them :/

@teenytinymaracas33

2 жыл бұрын

Another point that needs addressing is Death Dealers doesn't stop the enemy from shooting back. There's an annoy cause at the end if you reread it. It goes from amazing as you say to a once per game extra return fire that can only be used at 12" but gets +1 to hit. Which is a bit meh.

@teenytinymaracas33

2 жыл бұрын

Reavers do gain Line in Black Reaving

@teenytinymaracas33

2 жыл бұрын

Dark Emissary is not a Consul for Sons of Horus, its a consul for other traitors to Ally in, it sucks for a main army SoH. Legion Standards give you Line, so you are ALWAYS going to be taking that retinue Justaerin with standard. Especially if you take Abaddon, who is one of the good things about SoH now. Reavers look good, until you compare them to Veteran. Yes you lose out on chainaxes and precision strikes/shoot but vets are cheaper, still keep WS5 2W 2A and double close combat weapons but gain a ranged attack, can take cheaper power weapons ( 5 points might be worth equipping the whole squad), can take banestrike squad wide. And that's only if you keep them to the same close assault role. They also have all the more ranged wargear too, Nemesis Bolters for one. Chieftain Squad is ok but your Retinue is gonna be taken up by Justaerin most times I think. Sons of Horus were a low end mediocre Legion with a glass hammer but pays off if you are smart Legion trait and are now a low end mediocre Legion with a rather reactive Legion Trait. If you are facing a ranged army and you will as these new reactions favour ranged armies massively, the trait does nothing.

Disagree on the third warlord trait being bad. The sons universal rule means in close combat you have much less chance of being doubled out. I’ve also used it to tank wounds on my warlord from bolted fire/ volkite fire and then sprung back to life after being killed

get better man

Kinda the opposite of the Blood Angels?

When Reaver Attack Squads are chosen as Troops choice in The Black Reavining, they gain Line Unit Sub-type. Still a solid video like always.

I feel like The Long March was designed by 2 teams who both assumed the other group was going to be designing the main focus of the RoW. If they made either the movement bonus apply to all movement, or terminators get line, it would be SO much better. If it had both? It might be the best RoW they have.

Dark emissary buff is only in an Allied Detachment. Annoying.