You suggested a while back that Sonos make rear upward firing speakers and here we are with the 300s. Maybe Sonos is listening and will make this a config as well. Great vids, keep them coming.

been waiting for this one for a while, thanks!

Super stuff as usual, really cool experiment, well done!

I did this when the 300s first appeared and even mentioned this configuration to several "influencers" needless to say I got rinsed in the Sonos forums and several KZread comment threads, I think it sounds great. Well done for bringing this setup to a wider audience.

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

They all live in that judgment tower in my video

@AtlantaJonny

8 ай бұрын

I had the same idea but not brave enough to ask the forums because I knew about the ivory tower of judgement.

@TooEasyMal

4 ай бұрын

@@AtlantaJonny I took the hit lol. I actually ended up learning some things

I am a tremendous fan of your communication style! Much appreciative of your combination of tech and humor shared in a very understandable and absorbable fashion. I was most interested in this combination of SONOS gear as my home theatre set up gets a similar unconventional boost (though with less impact and sophistication). I am running an Arc, a gen 1 and gen 3 sub, along with 2 era 300’s utilized as surrounds. Up front, along with a required connect, I have two powered Emotiva powered speakers along with an Audioengine sub. As for replacing the latter with a pair of 300’s…

@neverenoughtech

9 ай бұрын

There’s a lot of pressure to make something like this happen from Sonos fans -- hopefully Sonos does the cool thing

Great review! I hope Sonos will release a package with five Era 300s with two subs.

My man at it again!!

I was super excited to watch this because I was wondering how such a configuration would work

@neverenoughtech

2 ай бұрын

Works better than it’s supposed to

I finally picked up the Ht-A9 with the sub 5. It was on sale, 30% off. I am very happy with it´s immersive sound.

Thanks for this video. I didn’t realize you could play Sonos speakers in groups like that. I’m sure various speaker groupings could be used besides for the Era 300’s.

@neverenoughtech

11 ай бұрын

Yes you can group as many as you want. Pairing is where the constraint is

Interesting video for sure. I was able to pre order the dragon and I’m eagerly awaiting my shipping notice. 😀

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

SB spirits looked upon you favorably giving you an actionable purchase button

@MrBjorn6

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't that difficult to get a purchase button IMHO you just kept pressing the button for 9 straight minutes once it went life

@DillonBlair

Жыл бұрын

@@neverenoughtech It was pretty difficult. It said sold out after the first few minutes of trying, then went back to preorder, then just opened up another page. Really didn’t expect that many people would be preordering.

Love this video.

Love the content, bro. I am in the market for a new soundbar. I got a heap of 4k blu rays so the Sonos not having dts:x is a deal breaker, which is a shame. All reviews of the Sonos Arc are solid. A few years back I started with an LG soundbar and returned because of the poor dialogue, I replaced it with a Samsung that lasted just under 2 years. Might have to try Sony but the reviews are up and down on the hta7000, not to mention its gloss top. Anyhow love the channel man.

Dude, your hillariius😂! Great video!

Awesome video Daniel, thanks for taking the time to put this together. What are your thoughts on the best physical positioning for the 300's as rear and front? How high or low and away from walls and ceilings would place the 300's? How did you manage to pair the 300's with the Arc for the front channel? Keep up the good, always enjoy your videos.

@BORICUACHANNEL

Жыл бұрын

Im wondering the same thing 😮

@fonkenful

Жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t the Dolby Labs Atmos guidelines help you out there? The room size /shape / acoustic properties and number of prime listening positions would certainly need to be included in the calculus. Of course much I’d what I’ve been reading from said documentation seems to be predicated on discrete direct radiating speakers, each located at specified narrow range of hemispheric degrees from listening position, with acoustic treatment to mitigate the type of reflections that systems such as these use to achieve their spacial effects, so different “rules” / considerations apply. My son has a fairly basic ARC + single sub and single pair of ceiling mounted Klipsch speakers powered by a Sonos amp. When he was prewiring during a recent major reno, I tried unsuccessfully to convince him that 4 overheads would be better for the size of the room, but was over-ruled by SWMBO, and simply put, not all folks are as devoted to getting the best performance the room might allow. The open floor plan of living/dining room/kitchen makes for a great venue for social entertainment, but doesn’t allow for discrete surrounds so this was the best compromise he could attain.

Great job and yes I think your right but I’m still waiting on the dragon 🐉 to out . Lol 😎👍

Since we are talking about over the top stuff, you may want to consider the Isoaccoustics Aperture 300 for the center channel. Saw a review on KZread on their products. The reviewer was not terribly impressed by the feet for the sub or speakers, but said the Aperta made an audible improvement for the center channel. Just got it and my initial impression is that it does improve the clarity of dialogue coming out of the center channel. Not sure this is due to decoupling or the raising if the sound bar 3” over the cabinet on which is rests or both.

Sonos, people are literally begging you to let them give you more money, all it takes is one update, you will be the undisputed champion in soundbar home theater systems and multi room audio. With 4 Era 300s, arc, and dual subs, I think not even the dragon could match it.

@neverenoughtech

10 ай бұрын

I think the dragon wins in pure force but a coordinated Sonos wEra300 up front system would take the spatial audio 👑

@Stevo19801

3 ай бұрын

I have been asking for years, they need to introduce an AV amp that will support up to 11 channels, they as a user you can use it what ever you want to fill those discrete channels

🍻 let’s go!

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

🍻!

Just set it up to great effect 🙏🏼 .. thought of one-upping u with a 3rd sub.. a sub mini (didn’t have a sub to spare) attached to the second pair of era 300s of d front soundstage.. phenomenal Much appreciated Inspiring Have subscribed 🙏🏼

@neverenoughtech

6 ай бұрын

Wow yeah a sub paired with the stereo pair - my imagination didn’t extend that far. Appreciate the support!

@giancarlogargiulo5875

6 ай бұрын

I would like to know from zero to ten what would be your judgment State regarding this 4 ERA and complete system, really curious about

Volume set in the app maintains its position, remote only moves arc volume. I am using a Port with some expensive amp and speakers, does a great job.

Great review. But i suggest waiting for the dragon haha.

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

It’s hard to wait when you’re in a blind rage … but yes probably a good idea

Hahahhaha best one so far Daniel, that is insane Alice in wonderland borderline hardcore sound club 😂 Had no idea you can group and this is dangerous for me as I thought I topped my small room with arc sub gen3 and fives rear…oh no, here we go again 😂

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

Well you can group as many speakers as you want (but you can only pair two 300 rears) - I thought an extra two 300s was worth trying out. But theoretically I could group even more 300s - though I wouldn’t want to be ridiculous

@bogdanem

Жыл бұрын

@@neverenoughtech i get that and sure makes sense for the user case, too bad Sonos is not allowing pairing and merging the front L/R channels with the arcs…. Still you figured it out, with tinkering you got a feel of it and you opened the possibility for me as well, one beer from me!

Great video! I have the Arc setup with the sub and two Play 3’s. My 300’s are due next week and I had been wondering if grouping a second pair (my Play 3’s) would be crazy. So I’m gonna try and see how that works out based on your try at using your old Play Ones. Thank you.

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

It’s definitely worth a try if you have the hardware

@lorenzohardy5212

Жыл бұрын

Do it. Do it.

@steveholds2844

11 ай бұрын

How is it with the 3’s as surrounds as I’ve got a pair knocking about just about to buy the arc in the next week or so

I might be interested if they would let you use the 300s as fronts. I had the Arc, two 5s, and two subs, and it was good but not great, in my opinion. I was really impressed by the subs, but the Arc wasn't enough to fill the space. The sound wasn't wide enough, and I always knew the sound was coming from the soundbar. I also found the system to be far better for movies than music, which surprised me. Allowing a right and a left might have been enough for me to keep it, but I didn't. I enjoyed the convenience but always felt I was trading sound quality for convenience, which doesn't work for me. I agree the A9s allowed you width, and I enjoyed the sound, but I thought the sub was really a weak link and would have loved a center. If I could combine the two systems and have used the Sonos subs with the A9s, I would have been happy. So I think both systems are really close but not there yet. I was hoping Sennheiser was going to add surrounds to the Ambeo, but they never went there, which I think is a shame. They were on the doorstep of a killer system and could have made a real impact on this segment. I'm curios if the Dragon is the system I was hoping Sennheiser to be. Going to check it out when I can. For now, however, I will have to continue to run wires to achieve the sound I'm looking for.

Interesting set up man. Sonos really needs to look into support for multiple speakers.

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

As far as I can tell it opens up a path for more money and esteem in this space. If I were CEO …

@memphus

10 ай бұрын

There must be some technical limitation? There is no other explanation I can think of. It's money on the table.

Its crazy that Sonos do not let users use the BEAM with front era 300 for front stereo and height channels.... Ive been really impressed with stereo 300 and sub with music.

@ChrisTonge

Жыл бұрын

Just out of interest which Sub are you using?

Well done for exploring your idea and sharing the outcome. For me, having watched your reviews, I believe if your idea did not work for you, you would have shared that also. 2 things: How close are your neighbours? How much space do you need to experience a "spacial sound"? Thanks for sharing. I enjoyed it very much.

@neverenoughtech

3 күн бұрын

Appreciate it

I have independently arrived at your chaotic idea, and your video only supports my thesis. Only a few more chaotic decisions away haha

@neverenoughtech

10 ай бұрын

I do feel a little bad that you suffer from my same thought processes

I grouped a pair of Sonos one with Arc and then tested them as front channels using a 7.1.4 Dolby Atmos audio test file. The Ones are playing regardless of what channels is a playing in the video except for the LFE channel. The Ones even played the height channel sound. So this setup will obviously not work if widening the front soundstage (for the front channel only) is the goal.

I am opting for Arc + 2 Sub gen3 + 2 Era 300 as base for home theater + 2 Move placed in the the middle of the ”scene” in my living room on both sides as additional L and R channel

When Sonos allows this setup I would definitely buy four 300’s… for now I’m staying put with my Ones as they’re doing a great job. As for the Dragon, it may sound better but what I absolutely love about Sonos is that I can take my Ones and subwoofer outside to play music for parties and get togethers. The sound is amazing and the Arc does a great job on its own playing music and movies… the versatility of Sonos is bar none.

@michael-4k4000

6 ай бұрын

Why wouldn't sonus allow it? Didn't Daniel do just that in the video?

@ghostpimp

6 ай бұрын

LMAO exactly what i was thinking@@michael-4k4000

I may have to do this and add two more eras. Only difference, I have one sub behind the couch to give a little different immersion.

I have the Arc, dual sub, and Fives are rear surrounds. I'm waiting and wishing Sonos would update its app to allow additional speakers to the home theater group to compete with the Nakamichi Dragon 11.4.6 set-up. I had some extra Symfonisk bookshelf speakers and I tried the same thing of adding them to the front on either side of the Arc. It sounded great; but, it was too much work adjusting and tweaking the Symfonisk to sound just right with every volume change or with different streaming or cable TV 5.1/Atmos content.

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I mentioned it’s a lot of work a few times due to level changing necessities … and really only suited in experimental spaces. Nonetheless I though two extra 300s. Was too tempting to not at least explore.

@mrgold3591

Жыл бұрын

@@neverenoughtech I ended up keeping my two Roams connected to my Arc system and moving the Symfonisk to another room with a Beam Gen 1. One Roam is in the kitchen for extra audio for listening to the news. The other Roam next to my primary listening position for at night when I don't want to keep the whole house up with Arc/dual sub/Five set-up.

I really enjoy your videos and opinions about varying speaker systems. Thank you for your time and effort in making each video. I currently have a Sonos Arc, Gen 3 Sub, and two Era 300's as surrounds. Do you think adding a second Gen 3 sub is worth the cost? Thank you for your consideration of this question.

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

Adding a second sub helps but there are limited returns and it’s not cheap - but you can repurpose it. Kind of a how extra money you have laying around

@jakeresch264

Жыл бұрын

@@neverenoughtech Thank you for your prompt response. I have one more question. In your comparison video for the Sonos Arc, Sub, and SL Ones you made a few claims about the cinema sound of the system that put in last as compared to other systems. If the SL Ones are swapped with the Era 300s, does that change your opinion? Again, thank you.

Please do a step by step set up guide for this configuration absolutely fantastic video by the way

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

Second half of this video: Sonos Pairing & Grouping Explained kzread.info/dash/bejne/oIeIuMWPiavMgtY.html

My setup is Arc, Sub Gen 3, two Ones as Front pair, and two Era 300’s as rear pairs!

How do these compare to the q990c? Looking for a good setup for my samsung s95b QD OLED TV. Mostly for playing ps5 & streaming movies. The sonos price is crazy.

Have you try to add a Gen1/3 to the stereo-pair ERA300 up front?

Great video you got a new follower ! I just got the era 300’s to replace my rear ones. Do you think it would be worth trying the ones as front wide speakers? They’re going to collect dust otherwise

@MrFerbis

Жыл бұрын

This is the exact situation I’m going through I also want to put my old Ones in front hope we’ll get a comment. Cheers!

@freddyk6535

Жыл бұрын

I added my play ones to the front. It did widen the sound I am now going to place them in my room and add the 300s to the front.

@limpty

5 ай бұрын

Same situation for me

@Alex-tm5oz

4 ай бұрын

Yeup... Me too... 💚🍀🇮🇪 We clearly have too much money... Lol

Do you think the same effect could be achieved with using Era 100s as the additional front two pairs?

Love your videos and especially this one. I have the Arc, the Sub Gen 3 and two 300s. Two questions for you. I have my system all set up in my living room and when using the App and TruePlay I can't individually control each speaker. How are you able to do that? And when you added the two additional 300s did you have to set those up under separate room?

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

Yes separate room and stereo paired … with the arc system you can control the tv and music volume of the rear 300s … you can’t control the eq. You have all the control of the stereo pair as you would with a single unpaired era 300 including height volume

@dougbarasch9342

Жыл бұрын

@@neverenoughtech Awesome. Thank you so much!

@goldenmagmagaming

3 ай бұрын

@@neverenoughtech would it also work with a pair of Sonos One?

If Sonos makes this a reality, I would 100% be a buyer @ $3,499! 11.2.6 support needs to happen. Asap Like before this christmas holiday season. 🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾

Oh ho ho ho thats crazy man 😂

I’ve got the arc with 2 era 300s as rears and I have been very impressed with them….just wish I could pair up my 2 era 100’s as front right n left

@zachmcclintock2041

9 ай бұрын

Can’t you do what he did here, just group them not paired

@watchAddict770

9 ай бұрын

@@zachmcclintock2041 want dolly atmos

So can we add the 300 pairs to rear and mid of the room and leave the arc as front? That software development from sonos would be nice.

Hi Daniel... I'm looking for the best Atmos music set up for my open plan house and I'm stuck between a stereo pair of Era 300s with a Sub.... or 4 x Era 300s grouped in 2 stereo pairs. We don't have a TV in this space so it's just for music and mainly Atmos content. What's your take? I'm really tempted by the thought of 4 Eras in this space!!!

@mantadiverscancunmx2971

4 ай бұрын

did you do this? i am looking at the same thing but having a hard time finding info

I have the Sony HT-A9, loving it. I miss dual-sub and the more clear-neutral sounding Sonos speakers for listening to music. How would you rate the Sonos with 4x ERA300 to the Sony HT-A9?? I recommend doing more videos featuring your Sonos hack. Thumbs up for this one! Compare it in detail to other systems. Compare it with itself using the Sonos PLY5 instead of the ERA300 in the front. Test music & ATMOS. If the diff between this hack vs Sony HT-A9 is substantial, I might switch back to Sonos.

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

I initially tested the fives up front … but sensed the 300s would draw more interest … the 300s contributed more to the spatial element. I’d take my experimental setup over the A9, though the Sonos setup can be a bit more wild … need to spend a little extra time with the Sonos system finding the right sound

Got my Dragon coming. Had to frantically push the order button for 22 minutes when it finally let me in.

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

It said sold out before I ever got in. I suspect that was not true. Your persistence paid off

I've always wondered if you use a dedicated blueray player or so when testing these sound systems or you just use any good streaming service with atmos content. I reaaaally enjoy your videos man, excellent job!

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

Both - Br sounds better

Great video! Question’s, what did you have the height volume set for on the 300’s and do you prefer trueplay on or off? Thanks in advance!

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

TP on and carried between 0 and +2

@Mike71712

Жыл бұрын

@@neverenoughtech Thanks! Appreciate the fast response. Surprised that low on the height, I would think at least +5. I have mine on +7 but I see a lot of ppl don’t even think +10 is enough.

Great video! Thank you. So I have the Arc, sub (gen 3), and 2 Eras 300s (received today!). I know with the ones we could make the surround Ambient or Full, what do you all think it’s the best recommendation for this setting? I want to use my setup for movies and music. Thanks I’m advance :)

@neverenoughtech

10 ай бұрын

Well you can only (officially) pair either the 300s or the ones as rears … you can group as many other speakers or stereo pairs as you wish … for paired speakers you have the option for ambient or full playback when streaming music over the S2 network. I usually keep it as ambient. You don’t have those ambient or full option when playing video also any speaker that is grouped will play full no matter what

Great vid. My ideal would be the Beam as centre channel with two front 300's and two 100's at the rear, and a single sub. I would have said 300's at rear, but your observation about their main speaker going silent in this config seems to me to make them no better than 100's as a rear .

@fuyaokevin

Жыл бұрын

ERA100 has no up firing, so ERA300 should still be better in terms of ATMOS.

@JohnKimbler

Жыл бұрын

With four speakers creating an Atmos bubble that center speaker isn’t needed, and would probably not add anything to the rear surround. I have an Arc, gen 3 sub, and a pair of Era 300s for the rear surround pair and the Atmos sound bubble is nuts!

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

No the era 300s are really great as rears - I mentioned best rear speaker you can get. It’s not obvious based on normal listening that it doesn’t play it just speaks to even more potential not being tapped. You definitely want the 300s in back and the 100s in front so both front and back have height capabilities

Have been interested in this setup from the day 300's were announced.! the only content on internet with this configuration. Thank you How about direct comparison of Sonos Ultra Pro Max vs Nakamichi vs HT-A9 vs Q990's ?

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

Well sure, retirement is over-rated … nifty idea

@snehilrathod2322

Жыл бұрын

@@neverenoughtech as always. well said. 🤣

Can you explain or point me to infomation on how to connect Era300 pair (front arrangement) to the existing sonos arc+oneSL pair+dual sub ?

@neverenoughtech

10 ай бұрын

Watch the second half of this video Sonos Pairing & Grouping Explained kzread.info/dash/bejne/oIeIuMWPiavMgtY.html

The voices were a bit muddied so I wonder how to dial that in a little better (Top Gun Maverick) - I also noticed that it didn't raise volume together. Any ideas?

@neverenoughtech

11 ай бұрын

Gotta keep the 300s volume a little lower than the bar

What projector are you using? How many lumens?

What is the best height settings with arc and era 300

Oh great! Got to sneak another two 300’s under the radar. “ no dear they’ve always been there”

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

HT is always an apologize later kind of endeavor

@ccdccd8615

Жыл бұрын

Did that trick for the 300s replacing the 1s as rears

@nigelturner3251

Жыл бұрын

That particular upgrade was orchestrated with precision and carefully drip fed information on just how much improved the whole system would be with the Era 300’s. Having the moon in the right faze also imperative.

Did not expect this configuration hehe, it really does open up a lot of possibilities , I’m still sad this system isn’t “better” than the Sony or the Q990B, I think it’s a huge leap compared to having the ones as surrounds, everything changed to me and it can sometimes be too distracting, I find myself paying more attention to the sound than the movie, I do agree with you that the left and right sound is lacking a bit but that’s probably due to room layout aswell maybe you have more space so you need more power to the sides, maybe sonos could let us raise the left and right volume? It’s been a couple of years I don’t think they will, add channels officially maybe …thanks for the video always fun and informative ! Edit: this video had me realize I have extra two ones sitting around in two rooms…maybe I’ll connect them to this system and have a poor man’s version of yours 😂

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

👍 - want to clarify (as I can’t tell how you interpreted) that what I reviewed I deemed more capable than the B and A9. At the end when I discussed the arc system without the extra front speakers - I felt perhaps it was not the best SB system on a pure sound front. Yeah give the 100s addition a shot if they’re sitting around doing nothing.

Will you get the height effects from the 300's in the front with Fives as the rears?

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but the spatial component is going to be far more emphasized with 300s in the front and back. I’d suggest putting the fives up front (the arc has height drivers) put era 300s in the back to give the back similar height properties

I thing i wish is volume counter on my lg c8 tv instead of plus n minus

This video has appeal for many of us in the Sonos ecosphere. I was tempted by the Dragon and would probably have gotten it if I were buying a premium sound bar from scratch. However, I own the Arc and 2 Sonos subs. I also had Sonos 1s as rear channels which I thought were pretty worthless. My wallet clearly dictated replacing the 1s with 300s as rear channels for around $1,000 as opposed to spending $3,500 on the Dragon. No regrets about my choice, but I’m always looking to see what can be done with my setup. This is interesting, but requires more fiddling than I would personally like. Be interesting to see if Sonos offers something like this in the future

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

Yes fiddly-laden … but the potential output is quite compelling and yes cheaper for folks that already have many of the components already

@seanquigley3624

11 ай бұрын

Set the difference using the app, and everything adjusts together, but it doesn’t with a remote.

@ccdccd8615

11 ай бұрын

@@seanquigley3624 Very true. Using the remote just messes your adjustment between the Arc and the 300s

@A95L-Is-On-My-Wall

9 ай бұрын

Did the addition of the 300 for rears make the Sonos that much better? I have the same Sonos ECO now with rear Play1's. I'm looking at the Dragon.

@ccdccd8615

9 ай бұрын

@@A95L-Is-On-My-Wall To be honest, if I was starting from scratch, I’d get the dragon. But neither of use are starting from there. I though the 1 SLs were a waste of money for the rears. Didn’t appreciate the rears until I got the 300s

Hi great videos. I tried this config with two era’s in tie front. This has made a massive difference however I have run i to one issue. The front era speakers works fine but after a few min starts going load and soft and unsure why. Any ideas why this is or a solution? Have grouped them.

@neverenoughtech

8 ай бұрын

Did not experience that … was there some change in the official volume level during those periods?

@mariusuys2693

8 ай бұрын

Hi, I found the issue, the arc and era 100 were competing for the same wifi signal. Dropped the era’s to 2.4G and solved the issue. Thanks for your reply and keep up the excellent work!!!

Hi thanks for your time to showing the best sonos systeme set up. My question is can i have sonos sl one in front with the sonos arc and sub and in the back sonos era 300 is it possible to have that?

@neverenoughtech

9 ай бұрын

So you can pair the 300s such that they act as a single unit with the arc and sub (all that is official). After that you can group as many other speakers or speaker pairs as you want. So you can group a single or sl stereo pair with the Arc system. Keep in mind that the grouping is just mimicking the arc system. It’s not adding discrete channels - the grouping is a hack but you should experiment and you may/may not prefer the unofficial setup

@jean-mauricelandry640

9 ай бұрын

Thank you for responding

very interesting...glad I bypassed the A9s ..& stuck with my 12 Sonos units.....do you think that your ears give you an unfair listening advantage ?😅😅😅-😅

Please cand you give me some advice in buying a surround wireless setup for my apartment. I want to place them in a 20m2 room(64m2 all apartment). I watch a lot of movie from netflix,hbo, and music from spotify premium, youtube. I dont want an overkill bass, or watt power just dolby atmos when i watch music or movies and good sound arc+2 x era 300= 1600Euro in Romania arc+ mini sub+ 2 x era 100 almost same price.1540E or beam2+mini sub+2x era 300 for 1600e? What do you recomend? Thanks a lot

@neverenoughtech

11 ай бұрын

Arc and two era 300s adjust the bass on eras and arc to taste

@marianghibu8842

11 ай бұрын

@@neverenoughtech Thanks for reply. I thought that was the answer. I think the bass is enough from that setup

Luv the vid. I still think the 300s (at least for now) belong in the HT world only. I tried a pair for audio only and got serious ear fatigue; mind you I did not nor will I sound treat my living room, nor had I tried a sub, which would help). I also found that Apple Music do not play lossless even from within the Sonos app (aka not Airplay version)… If Sonos does not produce an Era Arc, ,albeit they will allow for two options: an Arc setup or multi 300s without the need for an Arc. Cheers

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

It’s intended first for music, at least that’s the company facing stance. I think a sub helps but the music output is probably just not for you. Probably more of a fives guy. Just weird they don’t use the front part of the speaker in some manner with the rears. It just seems poorly planned

@michaelbakhtiar9256

Жыл бұрын

@@neverenoughtech so appreciate the response and insight! I think you are 100% right that the 300 just don’t suite my ears. I wish the fives had a mic for voice control bc that convenience is amazing. I also found Apple Music not to play lossless vs others so who knows if that contributed to my ear fatigue. So many variables that I shouldn’t blame the speaker.

I have a Beam gen 2.1 Sub gen 2 and 2 symphonic rears. How can I add 2 300 to the front and get upward firing sound when watching Dolby Atmos. Sonos said I can't add the 300 fronts for movies. How did you do that?

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

You just create a 300 stereo pair and GROUP it with the Arc system - Sonos tried to stop me but I did it anyway …

@user-fd8uf5px5r

Жыл бұрын

@@neverenoughtech Thanks. Can I do the same with just 1 Era 300? I just want to add upward firing to the Beam for movies. without spending $900. Will the upward firing speaker be disabled? Is the audio lag bad?

Maybe dumb question, but don’t you get the back sounds with this settup now also from the front?

@neverenoughtech

3 ай бұрын

I’m pretty sure I address in the video … can’t remember things anymore . But yes they do play rear sounds … a QUESTION embedded in the video is “amongst the fireworks” does this “strangeness” ruin everything. And would it be a more substantial system than the dragon that was not yet released

Q990c for $1900 less than the Sonos ultimate immersive set (Arc, sub, 2x 300s)? Is the Sonos $1900 better?

@neverenoughtech

9 ай бұрын

Samsung Q990C vs Sonos Arc + 2 Eras 300s + Sub kzread.info/dash/bejne/fGSHwY96e5TQgdI.html

A more even sound would be doing this, but not stacking two subs with the arc system, instead spread them out with one sub for the arc system and one sub for the two eras 300's upfront. The sound is absolutely incredible. I'm wondering how this pairs with the new sony bravia home theatre QUAD system.

Just so I understand 2 eras' 300 as surrounds and 2 era 300 in front grouped as a stereo pair?

@neverenoughtech

9 ай бұрын

Yes

Am watching this even when I have a Bose 900 system. 😂

@neverenoughtech

10 ай бұрын

That is quite silly

Does it have a way to pair it for 4 ERA300 Sonos, ARC Sonos, 2 SUB Sonos, and 1 SONOS AMP? ¿Is it possible to achieve more than 5.2.4? Thanks for the magnificent videos.

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

The technical max is 7.1.4 that is with arc, 2 300s and a sub … two subs would still technically be give a .1 … you can’t ‘pair’ any more 300s or any other speakers … that’s what I would have done instead I grouped a stereo pair to mimic the Arc system so it’s a 7.1.4 + 2.0 (not sure what the era stereo count is) playing the same material at the same place

So wait… I’m confused.. how do you set it up? I thought I heard him say not to connect it to the arc? So how do you set it up then? I would be super interested in this. Just need a step by step explanation to how to set this up if anyone would be so kind to send that. Also how do you think this would sound if you added those two speakers plus two 5 s.. oh my! Probably over kill! Thanks! Awesome video by the way!

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

I just grouped (multirooled) the two front 300s as a stereo pair. Not as special as it sounds. I have a video coming to explain the setup

Dude, idk. This video deff is intriguing. However, the dragon is beast. Keep in mind it’s 4 8” sub drivers. I’m excited once the dragon makes it in the wild.

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

It really all hinges on the importance of the front separation and the notion that the dragon is gonna have just an excessive amount of headroom that would be a little damaging hearing wise to access … but yeah, we’ll see … the dragon is a lot cheaper too

Can you explain in detail how you setup the combination? Interested buyer for this type of brand!

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

Every speaker but the two Black Era 300s are ‘paired’ or ‘combined’ to work as a single unit such that each piece is outputting distinct channels - this official combination or pairing I referred to as the Arc system … the process of pairing is very easy it just takes a bit of time in the Sonos App. when speakers are combined/paired they act as a single speaker (mostly) so when you raise the volume all the speakers in that pairing get louder. The Arc soundbar takes the HDMI signal and distributes appropriately. The thing I did in this video that is weird is that I took additional speakers that cannot pair/combine with the arc (as the arc system only supports 2 rear speakers not 4) and treated them as though they were part of the combination. So I paired the two black era 300s as a stereo pair (easy to do the app prompts you to create a stereo pair) and then grouped (not paired/or combined) with the arc system. Sonos supports multiroom playback so tthe 300 pair took signals from the Arc but the Arc treats the black speakers as a separate entity not the arc entity. So I did a weird thing having two separate sound system entities playing at the same place and same time … I wanted to see if it would work in this case as Sonos is so modular you can experiment a bit. This is difficult to explain over comments but maybe this helped

@j.bright87

Жыл бұрын

@@neverenoughtech once pair as a group, this setup stays in place. I’m guess you don’t activate each time you using you home theatre setup?

@neverenoughtech Can you clarify your opinion on the HT-A9? In some videos you put the Q9 at the top but some you give it to the A9. I’m getting some pretty bad analysis paralysis.

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

Q990B is overall better in terms of sound quality. The A9 really does spatial sound well and has gratifying separation which offers a unique experience . I personally choose A9 over the B but it’s more expensive and you are giving up sound richness so I often don’t frame the A9 as the outright winner. The sub is an absolute must with the A9 as well further increasing the cost

@Trav6867

Жыл бұрын

@@neverenoughtech And as far those same personal reasons above. If heavily focusing on that unique spatial experience for block busters you would also say the A9 with SW5 is superior to the new stock arc system (2 era 3 & sub)?

I'll move to Sonos once they support DTS, c'mon Sonos 🙏

@garretts431

Жыл бұрын

You mean dts-hd right? Dts is supported

@SteveMuller1976

Жыл бұрын

@@garretts431 yeah sorry. I meant lossless DTS (DTS MA) and DTS:X. I have over 100 movies with DTS:X 😕

I wanted to do this EXACT same set up but the FB user group says it sounds so bad.... so if are you saying its worth getting?

@neverenoughtech

7 ай бұрын

Curious if they said it sounds bad based on experience or expectation. It’s too unofficial to recommend seriously … especially considering Sonos may officially support something like this next year. So those two factors should caution you to wait and see

I wating nakamichi dragon 11.4.6 review

Is the era 100s as rears good with the arc and two subwoofers?

@neverenoughtech

7 ай бұрын

Yes -pleasing not extraordinary

So now that you have had time with the Dragon do you think that this Sonos setup is a clear winner?

@neverenoughtech

6 ай бұрын

Maybe a formal response coming

So I’ve just ordered 300’s to replace my ONE’s as surrounds. I was planning on selling them… Do you think adding the ONE’s to the front as you did the second pair of 300’s would have a similar and spectacularly worthy affect? Or perhaps sell them in interest of a second sub? Ha, just made it to that part of the video 🤣🤣

I tried this setup grouping my fives with my 300's and 2 subs with arc. Sounds pretty cool but unfortunately it had an echoing effect as the play 5's were sightly delayed. I would have kept it grouped if the 5's weren't delayed

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

I found the delay imperceptible if the volumes were set appropriately

@timhamock2996

Жыл бұрын

@@neverenoughtech yep saw you did that further into the video and had me thinking 🤔 maybe i should try that. Thanks!

Can you elaborate further when you say the 300 is more stunning than the fives when both are up front. What exactly do you mean by that? Thanks.

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

It’s more directional … more in tune with the cinematic vibe -- more world/bubble inducing . As there is already so much sound the fidelity advantage on the fives is largely lost perceptually but the added spatial broadening contribution on the 300s is not

@tobi9

Жыл бұрын

@@neverenoughtech makes sense, thanks.

I have been desperately trying to get answers from sonos regarding this unsanctioned setup. My main question is “is the arc smart enough not to send redundant signals to front era300’s and will the front tweeters on the 300 be engaged.”. Do you know those answers? Thank you. Great video

@neverenoughtech

10 ай бұрын

Yes the front tweeter are engaged when they are grouped

@stratman2077

10 ай бұрын

@@neverenoughtech I re-watched your excellent video and you indicated that the left and right ERA 300s will be redundant. That’s a real bummer I was hoping that the arc would be smart enough not to send redundant information. Oh well perhaps of future upgrade. Thank you for your quick response.

Do you group the front 300s with the Arc itself?

@neverenoughtech

3 ай бұрын

With the entire Arc setup

Great video, can I ask a doubt, how do you get the additional front speakers to play the front channels, because the hdmi from tv is going to arc. Thanks

@mrgold3591

Жыл бұрын

The way to get the front 2 Era 300 to work with the 5 speaker Arc home theater group is selecting them in whole house audio mode and moving the extra speakers into the same room. They will play as a stereo pair over wi-fi and you can place them anywhere in the room. You "might" run into the issue of reverb/echo depending of the listening environment. You can only control the volume of all 7 speakers from the smartphone app because the TV remote will only control the 5 speaker Arc home theater group. I don't know if the extra Era 300 front tweeter is still disabled in stereo pair mode in this set-up when grouped with the Arc home theater?

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

No the front tweeter is only disabled when paired as rears. I discussed the echo issue near the end. It was not always there but if it happened just turn the era 300s down a bit and it becomes essentially imperceptible

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

The stereo 300s play front and back … not just front - discussed that in the beginning

@sajaygouri

Жыл бұрын

@@mrgold3591 thank you

@sajaygouri

Жыл бұрын

@@neverenoughtech thank you

Thanks for this great configuration test ! Do you think using a SONOS PORT (as a source for a "traditional Hifi" stereo system with amplifier+ passive speaker or 2 active speakers) could replace the two front Era 300s ? Could any delay troubles between the soundbar home theater system and the stereo front one be more prominent, due to the audio signal processing through wifi, sonos port then hifi system?

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

I have found the sync between the port and regular speakers to be pretty good for streaming music. Have not tested the delay in a HT context … my guess is that like the 300s there could be a minute delay that means you just want to keep the port volume a little lower than the arc system

@docatn7286

Жыл бұрын

Ok, thank you for the answer!

Hola , cómo conectas el segundo sub ?? Gracias

@neverenoughtech

9 ай бұрын

Just go to settings and look for the option to add a second sub

I'm trying this craziness with 5 homepods and a sub. It's a big sound, but I know if apple hadn't been lazy and made a specific program to turn your homepods if you have enough into a 5 or more .1 setup that utilizes the individual homepods as such, it would be much better. 5 homepod gen1's is cheaper then 2 era 300's. 5 homepods,...that's 5 woofers and 35 tweeters. I'll keep saying it......I know 1000% that with the right program this set up would sound amazing. Apple unfortunately doesn't care.

@neverenoughtech

10 ай бұрын

5 HomePods and a sub? The community demands to know how to do that? Something like two stereo pairs and a single? Sub a direct connection to a tv? So confused

I totally disagree with the final statement. I indeed purchased Sony HT-A9 as thought it will be best with my Sony A95k but decided to return it. We bought the ARC set and are amazed how great it plays. Worth mentioning I was using Bose 700 before. I personally stay with Sonos.

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

Did you pair the A9 with the sub - it’s pretty bad without that? Also I use it in a very open space

@lordraf5255

Жыл бұрын

@@neverenoughtech yes I did. It simply was not “strong” enough and I experienced disconnections. Also worth mentioning that the sub from Sonos seems to play better, “clearer”

Button didn't work for me either and did the same thing I had to refresh three time and got to purchase

@neverenoughtech

11 ай бұрын

I got in on the latest round

The Dragon is on sale again. Do you think the order button will work this time?😏

@neverenoughtech

9 ай бұрын

Easy to miss but a few months ago I posted that I successfully pre-ordered on the second round - expect it in October

It seems like using a Beam as a center channel would be a better option. Then the Arc and 300's wouldn't be fighting each other and causing the echo.

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

Interesting thought … the echo was at least partly caused by timing mismatch not overlapping channels- which was slight

have you noticed speckling?

@neverenoughtech

4 ай бұрын

I’ve heard rare dropouts

@ramsaybolton9151

4 ай бұрын

​@@neverenoughtech sorry I should have been more specific. I mean with the ALR screen.

Good video but you did not have the Nakamichi Dragon on site to validate a true comparison. I also thought if you can't control the whole system volume then you are dancing in and out of volume controls which would indeed suck over time. , so that would drive me crazy. Imagine that, 3 speakers in the front, starting to sound like a traditional setup instead of a sound bar just relying on audio bounce.

@neverenoughtech

5 ай бұрын

Well the validation video might just be in the cooker based on recent rumors … and yes I’m aware of the usability frustrations

Anytime you group speakers to a Sonos home theater setup, you will likely experience an audio delay from the grouped speakers when playing TV audio. The "reverb" that is mentioned in the video is the audio delay. That's why this setup is not recommended by Sonos. Also, the Arc already includes the center, front left, and front right channels. So adding two more front speakers is redundant. I would also guess that mixing the two front height channels of the Arc with the combined front/rear height channels from the front Era 300s and the would create a mess with the front height sound stage.

@neverenoughtech

Жыл бұрын

I was worried about all these things (I used the word abomination) and kind of expected it to not work but it worked way better than I anticipated - pushing some effects further than you can get otherwise. I’ve moved away from recordings but they might make sense to make available in case.