How on earth did Rouge and Shadow not interact once in this show?

@erugurara8235

6 ай бұрын

They once, shadow comments on Sonic and she guides him in the dirección, also wanst mándate by Sega that shadow is no friend of rush.

@ZeeecksLegends

6 ай бұрын

Shadow only interacts with one of Rouge’s multiverse counterparts, not even the normal Rouge herself lol

@KgEclispe252

6 ай бұрын

Like seriously what was the point of her presence in the show. At least I got some Knuxrouge but still

@erugurara8235

6 ай бұрын

you can say that for all the prime friends so is moot point@@ZeeecksLegends

@KgEclispe252

6 ай бұрын

@@erugurara8235 Which is one of the problems with this show we barely see the original versions actually do anything. Always trapped in some dimension like always

I’m not gonna lie my entire experience with this show was “i miss Shadow, when’s shadow gonna come back?” Because literally all the best moments happened when he was on screen whether it be fight scenes, the funny moments or Shadow literally helping Sonic grow as a character. He was written so well and yet the writers used him almost like a temporary reward for fans rather than a pivotal character??? They literally threw the highlight of the series in a ravine for a few episodes because why not? Insane.

@annalynn8264

6 ай бұрын

Shadow being "stuck" in a ravine for multiple episodes like little Timmy being stuck down a well pissed me off so much, truly the pinicle of horrible writing and plot convenience. Then, to top it off, didn't he say something like "Oh if only I had a chaos emerald, I could have used chaos control to get out of here," uhh...no?! That's not exactly what chaos control even does; that's what chaos *snap* does. Unless I'm mistaken, chaos control slows down time for the user of said move, whereas chaos snap is that little teleportation move Shadow is seen doing on occasion in the mainline games. So not only did the writers make the common mistake of mixing up chaos control with chaos snap, they also forgot that Shadow doesn't necessarily require a chaos emerald to use chaos snap/teleport around in the first place...at least not in Sonic 06, Boom, and Forces. Oh, and the inhibitor rings. Guess they're just for decoration. The writers didn't want to make him too powerful, Sonic's the main character, after all! 😑

@Mars44875

6 ай бұрын

@@annalynn8264 literally they nerfed shadow’s physical strength for emotional vulnerability and empathy like why can’t he just have both? 😭

@Sylvan404

6 ай бұрын

They had to hold him back because Shadow would've solo'd the ENTIRE cast.

@sohaibhamdan2114

6 ай бұрын

I hate how they nerfed him like isnt he supposed to use chaos control without the emerald, same w chaos Spears etc..

@sohaibhamdan2114

6 ай бұрын

​@@annalynn8264u said exactly what I thought when I watched the show

I still can't believe they pulled a Dark Sonic from X and gave Sonic a new transformation in drop 2...only for it to be completely forgotten about and never used at all during the FOUR episodes of fighting throughout drop 3.

This show feels like should’ve been rewritten as an Animated movie the more I think about it.

@mufinboi975

6 ай бұрын

That wouldve been a sick movie not gonna lie. But it couldve worked as a series if either they cut down the series a bit or just wrote a better story.

@bwmpii_yt

6 ай бұрын

felt like they couldve just cut it down to a few 40-50 minute specials

@TronicSSJ07

6 ай бұрын

Into the Chaosverse

@the-paige-gonzales

6 ай бұрын

Yeah,,, either a movie or a limited series would’ve been rlly good

@geeebuttersnap2433

6 ай бұрын

Better up, they could have not made this garbage and everyone would have been none the wiser.

19:00 the reason everyone gets right back up loops back to rebel rouge’s plan-it’s revealed that pretending to be beaten was a step in the plan that the audience wasn’t privy to.

@Atomas69

6 ай бұрын

Thats a HUGE piece of information you just gave. I needed that, thanks

@hopegalaxy

6 ай бұрын

I think Sam forgot about that part. But I don't blame him due to how boring and irritating the entire season was getting.

@Onaterdem

6 ай бұрын

​@@hopegalaxyYeah, he probably forgot, because missing it was literally impossible. There was a long, boring, dragged out, super obvious reveal/exposition scene.

Thepjshow explained perfectly well why the Chaos Council doesn't work. One of the reasons why Nine works as the final villain is because they are nothing but a joke

Quite frankly, I am SO TIRED of Western studios approach to making content with "make as many toys as we can sell first, then make an actually good story second". The writing was on the wall the minute they revealed the different versions of the main cast bc you just knew that it was going to effect how the show itself was written. I really thought Season 2 would break the mold but Season 3 just made me disappointed all over again.

@AxsorXI

6 ай бұрын

If you didn't like this animated series, maybe it's because this show is made by WildBrain. Do you know that animation company? Let's just say they did some mediocre animated series for kids. Animated series for kids could be good, but if the production company isn't that great, well, you get disappointing products. In western animation there are some animation companies which think that quality is irrelevant because young audience doesn't care about it. And then these companies don't put so much effort in their cartoons. They still get money from the audience. That's not really a good way to think. Maybe those companies are indeed a little incompetent and selfish. Audience deserves good products by good writers, directors, animators and voice actors. What do you think about WildBrain?

@Kyterfied

6 ай бұрын

Can you explain in more detail?

@AxsorXI

6 ай бұрын

@@Kyterfied There are companies which care about profit without caring so much about quality. That's simple.

@basedfrost882

6 ай бұрын

​@@Kyterfied In western animation, more specifically animation made for TV/ Streaming, everything has to fit into a check box. The highest priority when making any show is "Profit return", meaning, "how much money can we make back?" This idea of "Profit return" isn't wrong. Every company has to think this way so they can protect their bottom line... The issue comes from the fact that western animation studios- like Wildbrain, the studio behind Sonic Prime- approach it in the REVERSE order. They write their shows around the idea of making as many toys they can sell as possible, because that was the original approach back in the 70's 80's & 90's. It worked extremely well for a time, but as the animation industry and story writing became more complex, it's stopped working in their favor, ESPECIALLY over the last 10 years. All of the alternate dimension characters in Sonic Prime (the Egg Council, Boss Cage Mage, Pirates, and New Yolk variants of the characters) do not exist because someone in the writers room was really passionate about them as characters. They were created first and foremost with the idea of wanting to primarily sell them as toys, and secondarily making all of them compelling and well-written characters. This approach ONLY works with new IP it is based around- such as Ben 10, another property by Wildbrain- because there isn't any pre-established foundation for how the story should play out in tandem with toys released. This approach doesn't work with pre-existing IP because there is already an established foundation of how characters should act, and how the stories play out. As a result, they have to retroactively change BOTH of these aspects so they properly fit into the "let's sell as many toys as we can" box first and foremost. The writers and studios care about the source material, sure, but they only care as much as they need to while still doing what they've always set out to do- sell toys and merchandise. This is also exactly why Pac Man and the Ghostly Adventures and the Mega Man show failed miserably.

@Peasham

6 ай бұрын

​@@basedfrost882This is one of the very few shows where the prime version of each character was completely in character, what are you talking about?

It’s so weird too because Sonic was like “if nine doesn’t stop he’s ours” and then for the rest of the episodes he tries to get nine to stop like WHAT HAPPENED???

@kawaiiskittle3512

6 ай бұрын

Fr though. I was also confused because it seemed Sonic was mad at nine earlier, wanting to fight him but later he’s like “We can start over!” Or something like that. I mean, I like Nine and all but that was confusing to me.

@bwtmagnesiumwater

6 ай бұрын

@@kawaiiskittle3512no fr like he charged at him angry and then the episode ends and he comes back to saying “Nine this isn’t you” like IS THIS DUDE BIPOLAR

Yo, when I tell you I did NOT take that sails and mangy "sacrifice" seriously I mean I legit forgot the moment it happened and when they came back I was like, " I forgot about them. " 😂 I don't know what they thought they were doing but it failed miserably..

@epicman4516

6 ай бұрын

For me, when it happened I was like legitimately shocked that they werre gone. But then I realized that sega never kills off important character even (minor characters like them so (Bad guys get defeated) they would have to come back in a later episode. Got to say though I wasn’t expecting them to reprogram the girm big.

@geeebuttersnap2433

6 ай бұрын

I was thinking that Netflix legitimately killed off two alternative tails.

@elisabethsun7059

3 ай бұрын

@@epicman4516 Emerl from Sonic Battle? Shadow was also originally supposed to die in SA2.

@frauleinzuckerguss1906

3 ай бұрын

Same I was like "they ain't dead" and aside from the first moment, the characters also seemingly forgot immediately And then they just returned and I was like "Oh yeah, you were here"

Surprised you didn't mention during one of the fights in the Grim, a version of Big saved Sonic by jumping in front of him and taking a pretty big hit from a metal Sonic that was charging at him. It was a nice heroic moment for Big that I actually quite liked.

When I initially heard Wildbrain was going to be the studio behind the show, I was skeptical. They tend to "dumb down" and simplify their shows so they're easier for younger kids to understand, but with Sonic, that was *never* an issue to begin with.

@AxsorXI

6 ай бұрын

In western animation there are some animation companies which think that quality is irrelevant because young audience doesn't care about it. And then these companies don't put so much effort in their cartoons. They still get money from the audience. That's not really a good way to think. Maybe those companies are indeed a little incompetent and selfish. Audience deserves good products by good writers, directors, animators and voice actors. And if they don't understand or don't care about that, then they don't deserve so much support.

@obd9660

6 ай бұрын

Never an issue? Why not?

@kermitgotthesickkicks4265

6 ай бұрын

​@@AxsorXIYo why you dissing voice actors?

@AxsorXI

6 ай бұрын

@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 I did?

@akdreamer6497

6 ай бұрын

So you only played Sonic Colors?

18:57 regarding the “sudden” part. It was actually planned to happen. Sonic told everyone to pretend to lose, and when he takes care of Nine, and causes him to use the prism to power himself up more, the robots will get weaker because of that, which will give the others an advantage over them. Hence why they “suddenly” woke up after being defeated

The fact that we wont probably get another show in a very long time its sad

@FlyingDuckMan360

Ай бұрын

@Banana807 Sure, we got Knuckles (2024) not long after Prime ended, but that was planned for a while as an interquel series, taking place after the events of the second live-action film but before the third.

Dude, you summed up my thoughts on Season 3 BRILLIANTLY. I'll be the first to admit, I enjoyed the action sequences and the interactions between the Shatterspace counterparts, but hawt mama, the padding was REAL in this season. Mind you not btw, I went in this season completely blind. When the fight started in Episode 3, I thought, "oh heck yeah, the final battle is on!". But by Episode 7, I was all like "good lord Goomboss, have they seriously been fighting for five whole episodes?!", and it doesn't help that there was this cycle of "Sonic and friends fight Nine and the Grim Robots, win, and the situation escalates so Nine uses more power to build better or bigger robots so he wins and Sonic and Rebel have to adapt and think of a new plan; rinse and repeat, almost ad nauseam". And then when Nine finally realized the weight of his actions, I couldn't help but be a little bit aggravated that they spent five episodes fighting over something that possibly could've been easily fixed if Sonic told Nine to simply look around himself

@Atomas69

6 ай бұрын

Nine was clearly being messed with by the prism energy he harnessed, and solely focused on the fight, so of course he wouldnt notice the damage he did until he stopped

@Goomba1309

6 ай бұрын

@@Atomas69 That actually makes sense, didn't really think of that

Supposedly, Shadow wasn't stuck in the crevice because he couldn't leave but because robots kept fighting him down there. The strange thing is more so why he stayed there after destroying all the robots, unless the idea is that he kept fighting even up to that moment when Sonic fell down there.

@weelolol

6 ай бұрын

i think they just sent more everytime he tried to leave

Sonic Prime was PROOF…..that Sonic can have cool action scenes in his tv shows and not just homing attack/spin dash spams (Looking at you X, SATAM, Boom, and ATOSH)….as far as the rest of the show goes, I can leave it

@Angie2343

6 ай бұрын

What about Sonic Underground?

@yam9195

6 ай бұрын

That show is 25 years old now.​@@Angie2343

@justcallmekai1554

6 ай бұрын

Yeah that's really good highlight of Prime . Hand to hand looks satisfying to watch. It would be also cool to expand on special abilities the characters have and how they interact with each other in a fight. Basically similar to stuff like HxH.

@Angie2343

6 ай бұрын

@@justcallmekai1554 What about Sonic Underground?

@AsecasJavi

6 ай бұрын

If you mean the sonic underground by tamers12345 yeah. There's a ton of action there. And abuse. And violence. ​@@Angie2343

i still feel like shadow should have more screentime and using his chaos powers and taking off his rings to fight the robots and nine in the final battle,and not have the writers just forget about him.

@Onaterdem

6 ай бұрын

Shadow no inhibitor rings would immediately destroy Nine's whole army, obv they couldn't do that. But it would be great for a final fight

@surenderreddy8144

3 ай бұрын

He doesn’t have chaos powers without the emerald in this show, and the inhibitor rings were only brought up in x, 06, and I think once in the Archie comics and never again

I liked it overall shadow and nine were definitely my favorite in the show and the animation and voice acting was amazing

@kawaiiskittle3512

6 ай бұрын

Same

@akdreamer6497

6 ай бұрын

The animation is generic TV animation. Why are people praising it?

@pattik_

6 ай бұрын

nine was my least favourite

@-KORAL_ZERO

6 ай бұрын

@@akdreamer6497 What type of tv animations do you watch? This animation is better than most modern cartoons.

@draconomega

6 ай бұрын

Nain was great until the last season, were he becamed an hypocritical child; having him mostly as a floating head that is contantly being anoying, having constants tantrums each time things didnt went his way. It felt like seeing a 10 year old on x-box playing cod. from one season to another he transformed from a genius to a moron that had UNLIMITED POWER and all he could think of doing with it was making 6 robots, clone those robots and throwing lightings. Such a big fucking fall from grace

So Sam, when Sonic's friends were tired, *they were faking it.* So when Nine saw that and diverted the Prism's energy for other resources and the robots were powering down, Sonic's friends stopped pretending and then pushed back against the robot army.

Okay so. As with many other Netflix animated shows, what they did was Netflix ordered one season of Sonic Prime. Only one, but with a LOT of episodes. And as this "season" is finished up, they release some episodes in a batch that they name a season. So what right? Well I really belive that midpoint through "Season 2" the budget really started to dry up and the crunch set in, this led to them having to really reuse assets. Because of this, the third "Season" HAD to stay in that one environment, almost the entire time. Leading to... uh, that season. This also applies to the writing, in my opinion they introduced each area WAY too quickly, they couldve spaced out how fast Sonic moved about the spaces.

Your right about the Egg Council. Honestly, they should've drawn inspiration for a variation of Eggman inspired by SatAM and Eggman Nega.

It honestly feels like the crew (and Netflix) didnt know how successful the show would be and tried doing too much in a short amount of time.

Sonic telling shadow he "doesn't have any friends" was stupid cause shadow was trying his best to save HIS FRIENDS the whole time

This show really feels like something that got rewritten last second

@mangodango1733

4 ай бұрын

Like there's a lot of nice things but so many out of left field issues

I 100% agree with you. Sonic Prime is not canon to the games. Because Rouge is not that being close friends to sonic, and it's kinda felt weird to see she joins sonic crew, and sonic didn't realize that chaos sonic "the robot" was similar to metal sonic.

@bwtmagnesiumwater

6 ай бұрын

Exactly this shit is not canon at all

@boltthelunarian1405

6 ай бұрын

Well, Ian Flynn has stated on his tweet saying he's not the one to choose to make Sonic Prime Canon, and plus, he's only a Story Consultant to this show. So, what's done is done, we can't do anything about it.

@lwrider10andhisstuff52

5 ай бұрын

True but again that was just bad of a choice no matter if it was changed or not​@@boltthelunarian1405

@tk32502

3 ай бұрын

And one question how come sonic didn’t remember metal sonic as a 2d pixel flashback when he encountered chaos sonic

For the chaos council, I think they should’ve also put each Eggman in a different universe. I would’ve loved to see some uniquely goofy takes on Eggman. Like a pirate Captain Yolkbeard with a robotisized sorta cyborg crew. Have a Once-ler inspired Eggman in the jungle world, who started the deforestation originally. As for New Yolk… what if Eggman just was a machine in that universe and wants to run the entire city, and later the universe as a well-oiled machine. Three Eggmen. A direct foil to Sonic in New-Yolk, a rival to Captain Knuckles in the Pirate world, and a proper foil to Thorn Rose in the Jungle. One pure evil villain, and two greedy jerks. The mechs could be cool too.

@aidanhammans9337

6 ай бұрын

Yeah. While I could argue about the interpretation, it was always a bit confusing that Eggman was the one character to work like he did. Just make him follow the rules and split him up amongst the Shatterspaces. The Chaos Council could have even formed from them.

@hopegalaxy

6 ай бұрын

You came up with better ideas for Eggman and his variants than the writers and executives could try. Bravo!👏🏻

@tk32502

3 ай бұрын

and good names for a boss cage maze no place versions of eggmans captain eggbeard the pirate and eggplant

@tk32502

3 ай бұрын

imagine if dread meet no place pirate captain eggman in angel island and then he took the master emerald and then dread became dread and maybe boss cage maze eggman is the reason how he cause boss cage maze into being a huge survival jungle

The sprite work in Sonic Prime as a whole was a crime

@RaccoonThunderMario_Official

6 ай бұрын

As a fellow sprite artist seeing two different character styles in the same scene the way it was ticked me off.

@jaylenbutler899

6 ай бұрын

Laserhawk’s sprite work is better

@sonicnetwork2944

6 ай бұрын

I didn't think they were bad it's only for a short moment although I didn't know Sprite's had it's own art form thanks for filling me in Sam

@RaccoonThunderMario_Official

6 ай бұрын

@@sonicnetwork2944 Even if it was for a short moment you gotta admit it was very weird they decided to keep Sonic and Tails in their classic forms when Eggman looks how he should in Sonic Advance 3.

@sonicnetwork2944

6 ай бұрын

@@RaccoonThunderMario_Official I can't admit anything sure I've seen better such as fallen star but you got to take in account that the budget in prime goes to the 3d animation I'm cutting them slack since well this isn't the full show the 3d is now I'm not saying it's as good as the show's animation but it's not badly animated coming to think of it after rewatching that scene it is weird that egg man has his advance Sprite and sonic having classic with green eyes but that's more of the model than making it move I think that's what people hate about it. The Sprite's used because the animation of it is pretty good in my opinion

I would’ve perfered it if Season 3 had one grim fight episode, the next episode had sonic’s world returned to normal, and then the final 3 episodes could’ve been a sorta epilogue

I definitely hope that in the future games and shows and movies shadow has as good writing as he did in prime.

@mysteryperson1958

6 ай бұрын

Never mind i re-read what you wrote (oopies). I agree tho. Sega needs to let shadow be shadow.

about Nine's motive, if the prism gets fixed the shatterverse disappears along with him he was afraid of that, i don't think he would've cared if he could just live in the grim

@MaxusFox23

6 ай бұрын

Counterpoints: 1) When the Prism shockwave brought back Sonic's world for a hot second, Nine didn't disappear nor comments about experiencing anything similar. The show proved all Shatterspaces can coexist including Green Hill both then and by the near end. 2) The show never bothered to explain what actually happens with the Shatterspaces after the events of the series. We don't know if they only came to exist when Sonic crashed into the Prism nor if they were just non-observable to begin with. Tl;dr Nine overreacted greatly but had a point when he said Sonic didn't even consider it. Which is why is SO insulting how the show treats itself with a simple "Well, that happened. So, who wants takeout?"

@tk32502

3 ай бұрын

And nine desited to live in new yoke and start his live all over again and forget about the grim

@tk32502

3 ай бұрын

hopefully we get new shatterverse gateways from the yellow purple and the rest of the prism that sonic and his friends can adventure in

@tk32502

3 ай бұрын

ghost hill got exploded from the prism in the the grim and it got decayed I think the yellow and purple shard might recreate new worlds with live in it and be rouge and bigs own world

Also, i refuse to believe that since this show comes after sonic advance 3, that this sonic is the same sonic we've seen in sa2

@lwrider10andhisstuff52

5 ай бұрын

Worst part is if it did took place after advanced 3, then the next arc is shadow facing the black arms which is whole mood change right there

The part that was so weird to me was during the "plan" scene, they showed a bunch of random past and future scenes cut together.

What does "Sonic Prime is Canon to the games" even mean anyway? It really means nothing to me.

Shadow needs his own show tbh

14:06 I think the reason why this happened was because something similar happened in Sonic Movie 2. In that movie; Knuckles reveals to Sonic that his dad died the same day Sonic was forced to leave his home planet and go to earth. With Sonic sympathizing, seeing how he lost Longclaw on that same day. Only for Tails to intervene, making Knuckles immediately assume that Sonic was trying to bait him into a trap.

i think netflix ordering 24 episodes kind of doomed this show from the beginning if im being honest, i personally had fun with season 3 i loved the finale personally, i thought it was cool, tense, emotional and fun but the day prime was announced and netflix was like "it's 24 episodes" i was like "alright how are you gonna take this for 24 episodes?" and honestly.....felt like they were written into a corner because of that episode order- i believe what happened is the episode order came first and the crew had to develop around that amount, and as a result, wrote themselves into a seriously tight corner because season 3 is the epitome of "okay netflix wanted 24 episodes, we gotta give them 24 episodes" but they dragged because they were trying to come up with some way to reach that count to satisfy the higher-ups if prime was a netflix movie or miniseries from the beginning, it could've been amazing and all the pacing would be negated, but unfortunately, netflix ordering 24 episodes was them shooting themselves in the foot, and it's a shame, because i did really enjoy the show all flaws aside, because i can see passion, i can see a crew who loves creative worldbuilding, but it all came crashing down again, due to the episode count

@geeebuttersnap2433

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, sonic prime should have been an 8 episode miniseries, and then get cancelled after the first season.

@roopasampathkumar2333

6 ай бұрын

@@geeebuttersnap2433 bro why do you need it to be cancelled if they cancelled it it would become a cliffhanger and no new characters it would become sonic satam of 2022

@tk32502

3 ай бұрын

Yeah Netflix should make a sonic prime movie where both eggman and the chaos counsel be the big deal then nine

@tk32502

3 ай бұрын

And silver blaze having a chance to appear in sonic prime but only in the movie

Pausing the video now to clarify that in Season 2, Captain Dread purposefully mislead his crew into distrusting Sonic because he was plotting to betray him and get back his beauty. It wasn’t all of the characters just being stupid, just most of them blindly following their Captain. Now, back to the video. Pausing again. In Season 2, those “Ghost Friends” briefly turned into the real versions when Nine was figuring out how to put the shards together. So they’re more real than you think. But in the season 3 opening, there’s nothing they can do for them so they have to leave. Oh yeah, episodes 4 thru 7 dragged WAY too long. The fighting started when Nine insulted chili dogs and Sonic said “Of course you realize THIS means WAR!” XD, just kidding. That “Friends down for the count but then suddenly get back up again” was a plan made by Sonic. Nine even told Sonic it was clever but that “betrayal comes natural to you”. So it was pointed out, just pointing it out, lol. But I understand you were tired at this point. Oh the canon thing was most CERTAINLY a marketing ploy.

18:56 “Things are looking Grim,” I see what you did there Sam 🗿

You are so right about the canonicity of this show being marketing ploy. This isn't a problem exclusive to Sonic, but a lot of companies have begun to advertize their shows as "canon" to drum up hype and get hardcore fans to watch. But it's all just lip service and it's damaging the overall canon and trust between fans and the company. If we keep getting told something is canon when it's clearly not, we aren't going to believe companies anymore. As a result, the term "canon" will lose all meaning and legitimacy because it was abused by companies. They are trying to pull a boy who cried wolf. And the ironic thing about canon is that if a pieces of media is really canon, they shouldn't have to tell you that it's canon outside of that media. I should not have to hear a writer say it's canon or read that info in a marketing release. If a show, game, or movie really is canon, it will be clear in that pieces of media itself because it will align with past media and not contradict it. Like there is no debate that Sonic Frontiers is canon because the game makes it obvious. By that logic, you should never have to be told something is canon. And thats worlds the other way too, if something is non-canon that media will make it obvious. But that's ok, fan won't complain if something is non-canon if it was never advertize as being canon, they only get upset after being lied to by the company. If a company is deliberately highlighting a piece of media as canon, you should be suspicious, because there is no reason for them to do that unless that media will clearly contradict the canon.

If the show were canon it wouldn't make sense for Sonic to ask his friends in Frontiers how "being half ghost" feels He literally became half ghost at the end of Prime istg 💀

@benluka1811

6 ай бұрын

IT IS canon

@CastellANM

6 ай бұрын

@@benluka1811 yes we all know but it just doesn't fit anywhere 💀

@benluka1811

6 ай бұрын

@@CastellANM i know what you mean Sonic feels alot different its hard to See him as Game Sonic

@BJSolar02

6 ай бұрын

​@@benluka1811No, it is not. I don't care what Ian Flynn or the show writers say. You can't say the show is canon when it has so many contradictions to said canon. Sam was right. It was a marketing pull

@surenderreddy8144

3 ай бұрын

What is canon anymore? The comics are “canon” but that place is just sonic forces land where there are no humans except for eggman and Sonic’s is nothing like his game counterpart past the surface level. “Canon” is just what sega uses to say it’s in line with the brand, not in line with actual, real canonicity

"don't write urself into a corner" sam: *writes himself into a corner emotionally*

I found out that some of the writers also wrote for My Little Pony. Now I am not gonna say that's bad, but I think other writers who have written Sonic stories like Ian Flynn should have been brought in as the main writers.

I wish the ending of Sonic Prime was like Sonic being happy that his back in Green Hill and got his friends back and explaining what happened instead the ending that we got

@the_black_belt_drummer

6 ай бұрын

I know right? I thought it was stupid that Sonic was so happy about seeing his friends again but his friends basically question his mental health as opposed to just going along with their blue friend’s character arc. Sonic’s OG friends were probably the most poorly written characters in the finale even though they barely get any screen time for the entire show

@tiagocervera5661

3 ай бұрын

Need i tell You that Sonic wasliterally about to do that he was just about to Say right after prism shaddter before he got interopted

@frauleinzuckerguss1906

3 ай бұрын

​@@tiagocervera5661 Cool but the writers literally made up a plot device to interrupt Sonic

i think the reason why Shadow can see through what Nine is planing,is because Shadow is more observant than Sonic and Sonic is just oblivious to things.

Ngl I didnt mind the season but I understand the hate because it had so much potential

Rouge's plan was hillarious. "The plan failed! Oh no, the plan failed!" Lol.

Sum of the season FIGHT, RESPAWN, FIGHT, RESPAWN, FIGHT, RESPAWN, FIGHT, RESPAWN, FIGHT.

I would like to see a show like Sonic X with improved animation in the future.

I love the way you express your opinions

I'm just happy Shadow is allowed to be cool again.

28:57 It's not that 06 erased itself. It was cut off from the rest of the cosmology, but still exists as a splintered timeline.

@BJSolar02

6 ай бұрын

Good to find another that found out

@Endriu192

Ай бұрын

It's dumb and breaks already broken sonic lore.

Overall I really enjoyed prime. The character arc sonic went on was a cool change of pace, all hail Shadow he is back again. All these alternate realities of the characters is alright some are great like Nine, Rusty Rose, Dreed, rebel rouge. But I would have liked to see the normal characters. Season 3 I think the first three episodes were good when it comes to pacing but the rest of the big battle in the grim it didn’t need to drag on for 4 episodes but they all had there moments in them. I love that shadow get an interaction with rouge even if it’s not the real rouge. I think the ending is the worst part but here’s how I would do it, keep the fight the same and the last scene plays out the same except Shadow is there and instead of a big shockwave Eggman shows up in a egg mech and that’s it. If I had to choose a spot for this to take place I think after lost world is the best spot for it if it’s canon. Now what I want for the next sonic show (I know the knuckles show is coming out but I mean after that) it would be some of amalgamation of X, Boom, and Prime. Give me a sonic show that has the storytelling from X, the comedy from Boom, and the animation from prime that’s my ideal Sonic show.

@thesamuraispirit7686

6 ай бұрын

lol tahts another thing i dont get. Fans are getting so butthurt about wether this is canon or not. IT DOESNT MATTER lol I thought it was a way of references multiple games and also showed the contrast between sonic and tails and sonic and nine. the sonic series doesnt have a canon cause its all over the place

@3DoublePoint

6 ай бұрын

Mhm!

@GoldWristX

3 ай бұрын

so 3 in 1 your dream series?

THIS ISN'T YOU, NINE!

I've never really liked how the way they wrote Sonic's character in this show since season 1.

19:00 I will defend sonic prime here. Their plan was to pretend to stay down till the robots got weaker and then fight

I can't believe Sonic in 2024 is already starting off with mid

To be fair with Sonic trusting Nine in S3 E3, it seems like it really could've worked judging by Nine's reaction. Nine doesn't necessarily want to hurt anyone, if only because he doesn't care. He just wants to live in his world.

Season 3 was indeed very exhausting.

Dude I slept for like 3 episodes of that Nine dimension fight, it felt like I was asleep for hours, when I opened my eyes they were still fighting. The worst thing is that I had sped up the episodes and they still dragged so long

i agree with Sam,Prime Shadow is the best,i can relate to him too,he is the best version of Shadow,and i like how Shadow was being overprotective of Sonic and wanting to keep Sonic safe and away from Nine,because they both survived getting their home getting destroyed,and Sonic is the last thing Shadow has from their old home left,and he doesn't want another maria situation to happen.

@goddessyamato5238

4 ай бұрын

Yea that ain’t shadow at all never once is how he is

The ghost amy,rouge,knuckles,tails are his real friends but when they put the paradox prism in the right place his friends will turn back to normal

The ending was somewhat confusing. Was it trying to tell us that the other universes that were created now exist in the multiverse as if Sonic's world is a pocket universe? If so, then the canon changed the cosmology.

Wait... I actually didn't know the ghost versions of his friends weren't really his friends. Cuz I coulda swore they escaped from that ghost form briefly in season 2 and then reverted back.

the issue with season 3 is that it could have been just 3 episodes, there was A LOT of fluff to pan out the season, a lot of boring filler, shadow was the mvp though, best shadow in any sonic media, period, that last scene of him saving sonic's ass is something that's gonna stick with me for a long time

They did Sonic Advance 3 so dirty, man. So many people on KZread have done it way better in just a few days.

The only AU counterparts that got any interactions of substance and character growth are the Roses.

28:14 Ian Flynn said that the Sonic Advance 3 Sprite Animation just for reference but when he said where the timeline took place in the game timeline it really ticked off the fans so he had to fix his tweet to assure that the show is still canon from the 20 years of games and not immediately after Sonic Advance 3

@Naruku2121

6 ай бұрын

I feel like that's still a marketing ploy even more so if he had to 'correct' it as to not make people sour on the show even more. I'm speaking for my self on this, but honestly I'd enjoy Prime even more if it wasn't Canon. Sonic's characterization in prime doesn't gel with any era of Game Sonic.

@AbdulAhad-hx1ft

6 ай бұрын

@@Naruku2121That’s what I’m saying

@DmanDmythDlegend

6 ай бұрын

@@Naruku2121 Honestly yeah I agree, as I kid I always saw Sonic as cool, I don’t see anyway kids today could watch this show and think Sonic is cool, there’s not a lot about this version of Sonic that is cool, he’s more adorkable than anything, Sonic isn’t cool just because he’s fast and fights bad guys, there needs to be something about his personality that makes him seem cool.

@Naruku2121

6 ай бұрын

@@DmanDmythDlegend Yeah that's my thoughts. Game Sonic be it Adventure Era throughout to even the Meta Era always had this vibe, he had attitude, sass and sarcastic air to him, but beneath it all he still had a good heart. Prime Sonic seems to be good hearted but without his signature too cool for school attitude. Making him seem like he's just wearing his heart on his sleeve and constantly getting scolded by Shadow like a Child he has to put up with.

@goddessyamato5238

4 ай бұрын

@@DmanDmythDlegendyour not a kid so you wouldn’t know

I 100% agree about the issues with "its different!" I'd like to add that we haven't really gotten NORMAL yet. Sonic has so much potential by itself. IDW proves that! I just wish we could get Sonic played (mostly) straight! basic premise, Sonic vs Eggman. At least for a season. Lets adapt games again, lets do SOMETHING with this original material. We have to stop shaking things up for the sake of it when this strong baseline hasn't been explored as much as it deserves.

Y'know what? When the heroes were rescuing the pirates, it made me think of a reverse SatAM situation, where Sonic and Friends are operating FROM Eggman's lair, instead of fighting AGAINST it, and I was really hoping that the season was gonna give us a little more of that. Instead of them fighting for 5 episodes straight, it would've been nice to see them go on missions 3 episodes to gather tools, rescue folks, or scout Nine's tower, all the while having characters reflect on things, before facing off on the second-to-last episode, and then finish the series off with good closure. It's so weird to me that they had the perfect set-up RIGHT THERE, and did nothing with it.

For me if I were to pick a team to work on the next Sonic show I would either go Marza because they've made BANGER Sonic CGI animation, or the team behind Dream Team's Intro because it is just too visually stunning to stay an intro

One neat thing I noticed is that Nine’s birds that he sends after Sonic is a reference to Hyper Tails’s Flicky Army of Death Also Sonic does the classic crouching animation at one point which is also cool

no im pretty sure when sonics friends were laying down and suddenly get back up they actually made a plan that sonic attacking nine would prompt him to divert the prism power keeping the robots active and using it to fight sonic so they could destroy the robots more easily, my guess for why they felt the need to pretend to have lost is to maybe make nine feel like hes in a position where he doesnt need the robots powered still?

What we had in The Frontiers divergence prequel is what we desperately need!

I finished up with Season 3 yesterday. Season 1 I really enjoyed but I do agree was lassoed down by a repetitive structure. Season 2 was a lot of fun. Season 3 started out decent but then when we got to Episode 4 it just fell off. I definitely think Sonic Prime is a good show but man did the last few episodes really keep it from being great.

Well, to tell you this, Ian Flynn has made his tweets on Twitter once Sonic Prime is over, he stated that Sonic Prime takes place some time after Sonic Advance 3(Yes, I said Some time after, not directly after it), but that's not all. He follows up that this also covers Sonic Unleashed and Sonic Colors, given Orbot and Cubot's appearance. Plus, Ian Flynn also said that he's not the one to choose to make Sonic Prime canon, and he was only a Story Consultant for the show itself. Also, the man behind the show(kinda forgot his name) made a clarification about the whole missing episode 8th situation. He stated that Episode 1 in the First Season were supposedly 2 episodes put together in 1 Episode. Also, that cliffhanger ending for Season 3 is always meant Sonic is off to his next adventure.

@boltthelunarian1405

6 ай бұрын

But what's done has been done, so we can't do anything about it to change it.

@lwrider10andhisstuff52

5 ай бұрын

Again still bad and doesn't make sense, because in unleashed orbot is just a prototype in that game, and after the storybook stuff when it got to colors that's when they showed up fully modeled, so wouldn't it have made better sense to put prime after sonic and the black knight instead of advanced 3, but like you said, "what's done is done." Even though this is still not canon to the original sonic universe and was just a marketing ploy

i think the fact that it's considered canon is really cool because the shatterverses have always existed. that means that alternate universes like this are canon, which technically links things like sonic boom back in in the bigger picture

18:56 Here what happens is that Nine's robotic army energy gets low for a moment, as Sonic is distracting Nine so he uses all the prism energy, trying to catch him, distracting him and leaving a break to the rest. You can even see the energy reduction and how they get distracted for a moment on their animations

At the end of the what i got out of this show was Nine would be a good video game villain

Kudos to the play by play of the final battle. Was very entertaining and your suffering did not go to waste.

So even though I havent seen the 3rd season yet, from clips and from what I heard I wish they keeped this season in the oven for like 6 more months because it clearly needed more time. But once I watch it ill come back to this comment lol. Keep up the amazing work and thanks for all of what you do homie! :)

The lack of stakes in the finale got to me the most. No matter how many times characters take damage they just keep going. If the characters are invincible who cares how bad they get beat up? They can't lose. The robots can just be rebuilt infinitely so who cares if you blow some up? It's an unstoppable force vs an immovable object. Nine keeps drawing more and more power from the prism and acts like it's hurting him. Holding his head like he's having a migraine, or his chest like he's having a freaking heart attack, so it implies there's a time limit on this. Either nine will run out of power or he'll just die if this goes on too long, but nope. There is no limit it just keeps going. The worlds are all deteriorating, even the one they're on, so there's that time limit again, but NOPE! It's just gonna keep eroding forever. Nine even accelerates the deterioration intentionally in a pyrrhic victory move and it doesn't matter. then eventually looks around like "what have I done?" What was the intended effect of accelerating the world's destruction if not destroying the world? Oh and the robots are implied to be a huge threat. Sonic and shadow had to fight together just to beat one and it took a while (which was a cool fight) then we get to infinity war and even non-combatants like jungle knuckles and Big can easily solo the bots. So are they strong or not? In short the characters can't die or even be beaten, the world can't end no matter how much time they waste, there's just no urgency or consequence to anything so it drags..

Ian Flinn said that this show takes place some time after Sonic advance 3, and Sonic frontiers. Hence why there is an Advance 3 reference. He also said that if you dont like it, than you can just forget about it.

@BJSolar02

6 ай бұрын

Ian is just pulling stuff out of his ass

Man screw it. Nobody else is gonna say it so here I go. Sonic Prime should’ve never had a multiverse story line and SHOULD’VE been a Shonen Anime.

@Kyterfied

6 ай бұрын

no

@rufixlegacyproductions2001

6 ай бұрын

@@Kyterfied shut up

@Kyterfied

6 ай бұрын

@@rufixlegacyproductions2001 no

@RaphielShiraha64

6 ай бұрын

agreed

I DREAM of a Sonic 2d animated show on the same level of quality as Scott Pilgrim Takes Off, that directly adapts the IDW comics. Can you IMAGINE what the end of the metal virus saga would look like, fully animated and voiced? Or the Surge fights? Or the Metal Overlord fight? It would be PEAK

I really hoped we saw regular tails interacting with nine, would have been interesting to see someone match nine's wit

@tk32502

3 ай бұрын

And see the original Eggman meeting his counterparts the chaos counsel

Fight 4 was a plan they made because sonic said they wanted to look like they got beat and that's why they get up like nothing in fight 5

Season 3 felt like the writers don’t know how to progress the plot making it feel like padding half the time especially in a middle of a few episodes

8:30 My major counterpoint to this is that in the season 2 finale Sonic saw Amy, Tails, and his friends reappear for a second in ghost hill. So to me it makes sense that Sonic wants to save them because he just saw them reanimate not too long ago.

Sonic Prime was a way past cool Netflix series, the cast really did a great job voicing the characters and creating their own interpretations of them, the animation was solid, and you were on your toes a lot with the suspense!!!

@bluephoenix_z3364

6 ай бұрын

*Cough* cap. *Cough*

Yeah, you're right, those fights in season 3 really did drag. 1 fight, I'm like yeah sure, that's cool. 2 fights, okay, I can take it. 8 fights, omg, stop fighting already!

Season 2 and 3 was plagued with repetition. Thats worst than having to deal with filler episodes. Season 3 had 4 episodes back to back being the exact same. In the end i was so hoping for OG Tails to appear and go 1v1 against Nine and really get through to him..... But no. It never happens and it was such a missed opportunity.

The animation carries the show in all honestly.

26:48 one word. Spiderverse

The last 4 episodes gave me Flashbacks of the "Bleach" manga, only fighting but nothing actually happening.

It sucks so bad that every time we get a Sonic show something has to go wrong. SatAM's cancellation, Underground's cancellation (again), Sonic Boom's reputation forever tarnished by a game it was never meant to be tied to. Even if Sonic X and AOSTH didn’t have particular anything crazy wrong, they still had problems. And on paper, Sonic Prime could've FINALLY been great. The animation, the cast, even the premise, but we're once more hit with lost potential in favour of bad writing and merchandise.

great video sam!

I just noticed at 20:00. If you look close enough on the Nine's robot army, one robot just straight up disappears to the backrooms.

@Goomba1309

6 ай бұрын

I noticed that too. That's gonna be a big ol' yikes from me, chief.

@kellyalexander4881

6 ай бұрын

Can you tell where pls 😅

@SN64YT

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, robot rouge is no more. 😔 And yes, I had to play it in a slow speed and yes I had to replay it a handful of times just to get the spot the difference realization up to mind, just like the stuff that I had seen in Season 3 but did not really react as serious and hard-core with the criticism stuff as it showed for me afterwards. Maybe just me having the impressions be a bit dumbed down, with sure noticing some stuff with repetition and some off the ball character moments, but I wasn't up towards it compared to other sonic games like frontiers and superstars in a way taking my mental feelings of specific things too serious and objectively with update 3 being a good portion of mid, and superstars I can say the same for the small amount that I played too, and even dream team has the same things with certain things too so I really don't have good expectations due to the mid status that I had seen of sonic recently, and maybe I should stay away from the blue blur for a while, but I did and do still enjoy sonic, even Season 3 at moments, but I feel there is a pattern going with the Sonic franchise with mediocrity in some ways than others in my opinion. :( I know the sonic series is for kids, but I feel that it has something somewhat in common lately with all of the media for sonic that has been stale in the franchise that the developers of sonic media should fix. :) I think I elaborated more on my feelings on the state of the franchise than anything as of lately that can be different from others but that is the way that I preceded it anyways. But I gotta say, robot rouge disappearing is a wild moment in episode "???" of season 3, fight 6. Some fans might be curious what happened to her though. 🤔 I guess we will never know.....

@trashyCorn.12

6 ай бұрын

where

I don't think this show was bad, I just think it really wasn't anything special at all. It's just...a show. When the credits were rolling for the finale I was basically like "so that's it then" like it really isn't anything to write home about. Honestly the ending feels like it's just setting up for more seasons with Sonic's og crew in their own universe but I guess not. That makes the finale feel even more like an abrupt end which is funny because you have the final season itself that drags on, but when you think it's setting up something in the future it just ends. I know you say Sonic isn't like dumb dumb but he seriously has moments where he is indeed dumb dumb lol. I get Sonic y'know rushing in without thinking sometimes and acting first, but making him super stupid in scenes just for the sake of an emotional moment or two is like why. Otherwise I did enjoy Sonic's characterization a lot and his voice in this, same goes for everyone else pretty much with a few exceptions. The alternate versions of his friends were totally fine, I just never thought much of them. I enjoyed the Chaos Council and their dynamics with each other a lot but I do see how like Dr. Don't's whole emo thing and Babble's baby stuff can get annoying to people. Now Nine never hit it for me, the whole making him the main villain thing just felt dumb. I know you talked about his motivation but it really doesn't make sense. He built his seven robotic tails to defend himself against bullies and nobody messed with him in New Yoke anymore. He also lived by himself, alone in his little lab area. So he wanted to be even more by himself in the Grim was essentially his motivation....okay? You're gonna destroy other worlds and break reality itself for something you already had pretty much? He just came off as an angsty teen like "leave me alone, I wanna be alone" as his motive and demeanor. To the point of annoyance, like I grew to really not like him by season 3. The whole villain thing just wasn't working and he became unlikable not in a "this guy's the villain I don't like him" kind of way, in a "this character isn't good" kind of way. And I totally predicted that Sonic would go all soft on him because "oh no he's a version of my best friend, I can't hurt my best friend!" or whatever. Thankfully he did land a few hits on Nine but that did end up being kinda true. Nine getting beat up by Sonic and punched by Renegade Knuckles was satisfying AF I'll say that. Him just screaming a bunch from the top of his evil purple crystal palace and looking all crazy it was just so forced and tryhard. Shadow was awesome, loved his dynamic with Sonic and his characterization overall. Too bad he really wasn't in Prime that much, though everyone's saying his character here is so much better than the games but it literally is his character in the games. The game's have just never really shown Shadow acting like a tough older brother to Sonic before or help him as much as Shadow did in Prime. That's all, so I have no idea why people are acting like Modern games Shadow is bad or poorly characterized when him and Prime Shadow are pretty much the same. That whole bit about the sprite animation it has to be said was an extreme overreaction. Like I get animation in general is an art form but I don't look at a painting I think isn't that great and go "I am insulted, this is a disgrace to all who paint" and act all like personally offended by it or that it tarnishes the art form it is or something. No one should. The sprite animation isn't as good as say the sprite animation in Sonic Mania ofc and I'm not saying it was amazing or even great, I'm just saying it was fine. Good even, they made it as a little preview before the episode really started. They weren't making a full on sprite animated series or game. Yeah Sonic and Tails not being in their Advance look while Eggman is is kinda off but again it's nothing horrible or insulting. It was just a nice lil sprite animation that I didn't think anything of, certainly didn't think it was some horrendous thing. And it was to show how Sonic missed those old times with Tails, taking on Eggman and having fun together as best friends. Not some "oh yeah this show is canon because of this Sonic Advance thing here," when they said this show is canon I always took that as the show is canon in the multiverse of Sonic universes out there. Not that it actually is canon to the game universe and will be referenced in a later game as if it was a thing that took place in the past. Not saying they didn't claim Prime to be canon as a marketing ploy, but I highly doubt they actually meant it was canon to the game canon itself.

yeah,i agree with Shadow too,Nine is a heartless traitor/villain he can't be reasoned with,i hate Nine i will never forgive him for betraying Sonic,trying to kill Sonic by taking his energy,and trying to destroy the universes,Nine has caused too much harm to everybody and shouldn't be forgiven,Nine should've stayed as a villian and get defeated or have Nine die.

I agree with everything that was pointed out during the series. It was a huge bumper that the writing did not do the title justice. I loved the animation, fighting scenes, and the voices for the characters. It was well done. The western studios has a habit of trying to see what sells and not give good content in the process. The writers here did put themselves in a corner and really dragged season 3. For the characters, like sonic is not really all there for his personality. The writers here did not really expand sonic's character depth, as he was 'dumbed down a bit'. It was a little off as that reminds me of when knuckles was written in the 2010, sonic boom etc. It seemed like here sonic is the joke and there are refences of what sonic did from past games to make it funny. For an example, sonic falling from the sky and not landing on his two feet. We can compare that to black knight. I do appreciated that shadow's personality is actually on point, not a 100%, but there is an improvement. I did wanted to see more from shadow, but yet like Sam mentions, "We don't see a lot from shadow during the first season". There was not enough interactions from shadow in season 3 either. Which was disappointing. I related more to shadow as he tried to reason with sonic, those parts were annoying, but yet it was funny to see shadow's face as he is "getting frustrated with the writing". Shadow's face was my face, while watching those parts. I do not think this series is canon either. It seemed off when the sprite animation was portraying advance 3. There are some evidence from Ian Flynn in Twitter that Sonic Prime is after Sonic Advance 3. He also mentions that it covers Unleashed and colors, which did not make sense to me. Sonic X is not canon now, but it was lining up with the advance series. Sonic advance 3 was released June 7th 2004, while Sonic X season 3 was released September 10th 2005. At that time the writers were also connecting the sonic x comics to the show and the games. I do not know what happened at the end of sonic advance 3, but this is not a coincidence.