I know I’m pretty late to the punch on this one, had some personal things holding me up from getting it out earlier. Nevertheless, hope you guys enjoy!

@Cliffordlonghead

Жыл бұрын

Awesome video

@Faisalthefist

Жыл бұрын

How am i gonna enjoy some one hating a game i like

@IdkMypast

Жыл бұрын

I am ngl I don’t have that glitch whenever I try to load sonic 3 and knuckles on my genesis collection

@auralunaprettycure

Жыл бұрын

Considering that I can only hear out of one ear anyways, I now have to look into Colors Ultimate based on how you described the audio.

@ericgutierrezramos1007

Жыл бұрын

What happened to the development on sonic games videos?

Sega needs to treat their mascot better. You can see the passion is there from the game devs, animators, marketing team, but the business side of things of wanting to get the product out fast as possible and benefit from popularity of the hedgehog being on the big screen is a problem.

@najadamu2724

Жыл бұрын

It seems that they half-ass it because they know that, no matter what, Sonic stuff will sell.

@Eldarin

Жыл бұрын

@@thischannelhasbeenabandoned420 hmmm very hee-ho indeed

@workbench1606

Жыл бұрын

@@thischannelhasbeenabandoned420 uh what

@halosnakem6g28

Жыл бұрын

The money goes to the music

@BIIIIIGMAN

Жыл бұрын

Sega needs to sell Sonic indefinitely

If a modder gives up trying to improve your game with an unofficial patch and calls it “absolute shit”, that’s when you know you messed up somewhere.

@wellshit7840

Жыл бұрын

The modder alredy said he was exaggerating

@TheDoomsdayzoner

Жыл бұрын

What modder? I seen tons of mods fixing shit and restoring old music/improving new

@sanctifiedfracture4579

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDoomsdayzoner It was a mod called "BetterOrigins". It got cancelled a short while ago because it seems that the modding and attempts to fix issues was just too much for the creator to handle.

@ultra-instinctgoku3131

Жыл бұрын

that's when you know you messed up almost everything*

@tyronesaddleback3890

Жыл бұрын

They gave up cause they're stupid. And didn't know what they were doing.

The last time Sonic fans had a W was Sonic Mania and that really is sad. Some of us hoping with Frontiers but the stubborness of the management in SEGA is concerning as shown in this video.

@aortaplatinum

Жыл бұрын

*The last time an official SEGA Sonic game gave us a W was Mania. The movies, fan games, and comics are all still awesome [even if I do think IDW Sonic jumped the shark with how insanely, unbeatably awesome the Metal Virus arc and it's ending was]. It's only official games that suck, everything else is great.

@AziDoesQuestionableThings

Жыл бұрын

@@aortaplatinum like your take. it's as if everyone loves the sonic franchise except for Sega, who insist on making the most barebones rushed out games while the fans try to fix the past mistakes that they just haven't seemed to learn from 🧐

@dexterousfox8753

Жыл бұрын

@@AziDoesQuestionableThings They do learn from their experiences with Sonic (sort of). After the bad reception of Sonic Free Riders they stuck to Sonic being in a car again outside of the Sega All-Stars series when Sonic stood out more racing on hoverboards.

@ikagura

Жыл бұрын

@@dexterousfox8753 All Star Racing was better because it wasn't just Sonic.

@inendlesspain4724

Жыл бұрын

@@AziDoesQuestionableThings Everyone knows how to, and are more than willing to, treat Sonic with due respect and care. Everyone except Sega; they seem to only see Sonic as a cash cow that'll always sell well on brand recognition alone, regardless of the actual quality of the product. I swear the one thing holding back the franchise is Sega themselves.

Funny thing: Sonic 1, 2 and CD don't use actual dropdash code, just a close enough approximation of it which causes you to instantly spindash after landing (Sonic 3 prototype style). Possibly due to Sega not having access to Mania's dropdash code and telling a random dev to make something similar. S3K on the other hand uses actual dropdash from Mania as it was made by Stealth.

@Gnidel

Жыл бұрын

Everyone has access to that code. Retro Engine uses a scripting language, modders managed to extract it, modify and inject new changes.

@PilaCiu

Жыл бұрын

@@Gnidel Sega doesn't seem to know that lol

@princefrizzy9451

Жыл бұрын

@@Gnidel Mania doesn't use the scripting language raw, It's translated into C and compiled. You can't just extract and use it. You have to Reverse Engineer it, Granted Sega could of easily just ASKED Headcanon for it, But nah. Shitty drop dash.

@Gnidel

Жыл бұрын

@@princefrizzy9451 Thanks for clarification. I thought that it uses scripts because in mods it's called "scripts" and didn't require compilation beforehand.

@Majokodomo

Жыл бұрын

This also ended up affecting Sonic 2! This new code overrides Tails' respawn timer, which explains why he always tries to jump when he can't reach you rather than just fly to your location like before! How they managed to miss such a glaring flaw shouldn't be surprising! -_-

Things I find disappointing about Sonic Origins: 1. No inclusion of other scrapped zones, such as Wood Zone or Genocide City Zone. 2. Some of the new soundtracks for Sonic 3 & Knuckles are appalling. 3. Sonic Spinball and Sonic 3D aren't playable or unlockable.

@202reece5

Жыл бұрын

I also wish Knuckles Chaotix was included in the bundle.

@RichyMaths

Жыл бұрын

@@202reece5 on a separate note, I'd love for there to be a Sonic Mania 2 game

@chucky110

Жыл бұрын

This is Sonic Origins, not Sonic Origins and a few side games.

@alisona.4166

Жыл бұрын

I don't think a level called genocide city would go over well with the public, I know it was the original name of the cut level, but it should be called something else, like chaos city, calling it genocide city would be the worst PR nightmare of all time.

@iananderson4754

Жыл бұрын

technically genocide city is act 3 of metropolis because they merged them together

>Release definitive editoon >Delist originals >Negative reception on release due to rushed/unfinished nature Why does this sound *_so_* familiar?

@godofwar234regi5

Жыл бұрын

Hmmm...

"i think its highly unrealistic for a multi-million dollar company to put as much effort into a paid product than a bunch of unpaid fans who dont collect any profit" that says it all right there lol

@LilacMonarch

Жыл бұрын

sega once again showing they are still a company and not above pulling the same sh!t other garbage companies do

@Colddirector

Жыл бұрын

@@LilacMonarch Segas not even very good at that though. A more competent company would be ruthless with their flagship property, but have enough sense to make sure not every game with its name on it is either disappointing or total dogshit. Disney for example wouldn't make half of the mistakes with the blue blur that Sega has.

@SmileOlderBro_GodsBrother

6 ай бұрын

@@Colddirector Your Disney comment didn't age well lol

"or on one cartridge"

@mooganify

Жыл бұрын

>physical games in 2022 Lmao cope

@marcus7252

Жыл бұрын

@@mooganify lol, found the cute one

@Masckerdoom

Жыл бұрын

@@mooganify My games have monetary value and yours don't

@pyroflare7774

Жыл бұрын

@@mooganify have fun losing your digital games when the online shops get shut down inevitably LMAO

@ninjanamedbob2407

Жыл бұрын

@@pyroflare7774 you dont lose digital games just cause the shop shuts down dumbass lmao

You'd expect the big corporation with plentiful resources to have the better stuff than the small group who was brought in late and is given little info from the big corporation but... As proven time and time again, what keeps Sonic alive now a-days isn't Sega, but Sonic's fans...

Man,looks like Origins was so bad that it made him quit KZread.

For all its faults, I have been enjoying this compilation. I only game on console and it’s been years that I have played any of these game, especially 3K, so this breathed new life into these titles for me. I wanna support Headcannon and Christian Whitehead on their work, but I don’t want to encourage SEGA in their practices, so it has been tough trying to defend this title.

@iananderson4754

Жыл бұрын

same boat. And plus this was my first time being able to play CD since the DS classic collection left that out for whatever reason

It’s really bizarre how everything is “passable” but it all feels just off enough to us who played the originals or AGES remakes that it makes everything feel just awful. I, personally, can’t get past how utterly destroyed the S2 special stages are. I feel like the coins exist just to compensate how muddy the physics are and unresponsive the controls are.

I'm not really sure if I'd call the team who ported the other games "lazy". Maybe they were doing this for a quick paycheck and nothing more, but Sega always has treated Sonic Team poorly, so it's fair to assume the porting team had to deal with some corporate crap like Headcannon.

@mechashadow

Жыл бұрын

Headcannon has confirmed they are an internal team within Sega and not outsourced for a quick paycheck as you are suggesting. So they had a lot more control on what could and could not be done than Headcannon themselves. While 'Lazy' is a fair assessment, the one thing that put pressure on both teams to get it done is management unshakeable deadline. That part I can agree on.

@Legoluigi26

Жыл бұрын

@@mechashadow I know it was an internal team, but that doesn't mean they were treated any much better. Again, Sonic Team gets screwed over time and time again.

@ikagura

Жыл бұрын

Sonic Team treated Sonic poorly

@KillerGodX

Жыл бұрын

Still lazy

@C0ZYL4ZY

Жыл бұрын

@@KillerGodX they knew there was problems but sega didn't allow them to go back and fix the issues

Amazing how arrogant and stubborn Sega of Japan still are after all this time. They really thought people cared about this releasing for Sonic's birthday. Clownshoes. Great video man!

@Diwasho

Жыл бұрын

I get when it's a real anniversary milestone like 25, 30, 35 years then maybe the deadline would be justifiable.. But it's just 31, who cares, just delay the game and release it on the holiday season like everyone else does.

@powerbeard5653

Жыл бұрын

hahaha, this is the exact same reason sonic 06 released in the state it did. sega is actually run by braindeads who can't learn from their mistakes.

@LordArikado

Жыл бұрын

What's even better is that now we've had two back-to-back disasters in the form of Colors Ultimate and Origins right after Sega said they wouldn't rush Sonic games to meet arbitrary deadlines anymore, and they ended up that way because, surprise surprise, they were rushed to meet arbitrary deadlines. What sucks even more is Sonic Team are the ones who get targeted as the incompetent ones here when it's Sega of Japan that's been to blame for basically every misstep that Sonic has had since the Saturn era. What's even weirder about this is it seems that only Sonic continually has this problem, despite being the face of Sega. You never hear people complaining about a game being obviously rushed and unfinished when it comes to Yakuza, Monkey Ball, Sakura Wars, Virtua Fighter, Puyo Puyo, MegaTen, Persona, etc.

@bradley8575

Жыл бұрын

Sega of Japan basically ruined Sega every since they made the unfathomable decision of not accepting Sony dealt I make a console together and releasing the Sega Saturn 4 months earlier in America.

@ladytrans3067

Жыл бұрын

Sega of America with there shitty American developed games killed the genesis

Ultimately, this video reminded me just how awesome the Mega and Gem's Collection were. The fact that Sega has already re-released these games so many times before means that without new content (such as additional characters or finally managing to re-release SEGA Sonic, etc), there wasn't much reason to buy this collection. A shame but also fascinating to hear about the bugs plaguing the game and the development issues Sonic Origins went through. It was an indepth yet nicely summarised look into the Sonic Origins situations with a decent balance of jokes sprinkled in.

@spimbles

Жыл бұрын

i get the point of your comment but just to nitpick, gems collection is actually like, extremely lame. there isnt a single main title besides CD and then the rest of the titles are game gear entries like Drift, Labyrinth, and Tails Adventure lmfao say what you want but half the gems collection is objective filler, thats undeniable and i think that makes it a poor example of a good collection. mega collection, absolutely. gems collection, not so much

@therepublic795

Жыл бұрын

In my eyes the whitehead ports are still the definitive ports of sonic 1, 2, and CD

@grinbrothers

Жыл бұрын

@@spimbles Gem Collection works because it is a follow-up to the Mega Collection, released in the same generation and under the assumption that you may already own the Mega Collection. The games focused on were also lesser known and harder to obtain or access to play, so it was a real blessing in that regard. I didn't even know Sonic CD or Sonic The Fighters existed before the Gems Collection. I had an absolute blast playing Sonic The Fighters, Sonic R, Sonic Drift 2 and Tails Adventure!

@mjc0961

Жыл бұрын

@@grinbrothers Agreed. Gems was a great pickup as a followup to Mega Collection. Standalone it's pretty useless, but it really wasn't meant to be standalone. It's just how things had to be in that generation. You weren't going to be able to download "Gems DLC" on a GameCube or PS2.

Why did eldarin disappear from the internet

Sonic origins was so bad that Eldarin left the internet

Chad sonic mega collection plus vs virgin sonic origins

Seeing how Sega handle this, when there were people who genuinely were passioned on delivering a good game makes me lose hopes on Frontier as well.

@Magic0neGaming

Жыл бұрын

They prob didn't want to spend too much money as this is a lazy cash grab ports they had slammed together with only one (3&K) being good...and it's sad how much it shows.

@cherrybombwaffles518

Жыл бұрын

I don't have hope for Sonic Frontiers either. having Sonic lose his memories and go to White Space to retrieve them is just a pretense to bring back Green Hill Zone for the hundredth time.

@AWESOME5000gaming

Жыл бұрын

Only reason frontiers got this much time was because the team kept asking for it

@onehittalon789

Жыл бұрын

This didn't age well

@cherrybombwaffles518

Жыл бұрын

@@onehittalon789 what do you mean?

A few small things to point out: you can play with no spin dash and even have sonics speedcap if you input the level select code in sonic 1s screen the menu music is just sonic jams music, it's not even new as for my thoughts 3&K was easily the least fun which is ironic since 3&K used to be my favorite. I just had way to many deaths caused by buggy collision and having 3 zones in a row of even worse versions of the prototype music really soured me on my favorite game.

@Eldarin

Жыл бұрын

never played sonic jam myself and holy shit you’re right💀 wasn’t aware about the level select stuff either, great catch. thanks for watching!

@DemonDethchase

Жыл бұрын

I heard about that too, which also allows you to play as Knuckles in Sonic 2's Classic mode, like you could on the Mega Drive. However, it not should not be this difficult to select other characters or tweak the settings and it some serious ass backwards logic to think it was a good idea.

@ninjakuni

Жыл бұрын

@@THESIKETAN-lx7ww and both Origins and 06 is better than Forces

@GreyBluesOSC

Жыл бұрын

@@THESIKETAN-lx7ww And Rise of Lyric is better then Black Knight

@hej2800

Жыл бұрын

@@GreyBluesOSC this is where i stop agreeing

Once I discovered Sonic 3 Air. There is no going back. S3Air is the true Definitive Way to play that game. Again Fans do it better then Sega themselves.

I've never seen a fanbase that loves getting hurt as much as the sonic one. How many times can they get excited and then be disappointed before they learn their lesson? I understand being excited for a game but after so many disappointments, how can anyone get excited anymore? Oh look over there! It's the sonic fanbase getting excited for Sonic Frontiers! Oh what? It sucked?! I'm shocked. Oh it's selling millions...I guess sega isn't going to learn their lesson that making rushed, unfinished, unfun games doesn't lead to sales again. Oh here come the sonic youtubers talking about how disappointing sonic frontiers was...OH look over there! It's the next sonic game trailer! It looks like shit though...Oh the sonic fans are excited again...Oh it was disapointing. I'm shocked. I know I'm being dramatic but it's just insane to me that a series with over 30 games and only a handful of good ones can continue to exist. This is coming from someone who loved the older games and even enjoyed Sonic Adventure 2 and Heroes so I'm definitely not a hater. I just want Sega to get it together and make something truly new and special.

@Eldarin

Жыл бұрын

consoom product, get excited about next product. nice pfp also

@afrikajohnson530

Жыл бұрын

I entirely agree with you, and the worst part if you call any sonic game trash the fanbase will rage at you for dissing one of their precious games. Sonic fans are blind and i wish they would stop suck this franchises cock dry waiting for a big bang up like generations (which to me was pretty terrible).

@danielsurvivor1372

Жыл бұрын

It only got worse after Unleashed (funnily, Unleashed devs made recent 3D Mario game and it was good...)

@danielsurvivor1372

Жыл бұрын

@@Eldarin Fr, Sonic fanbase is one of the first fanbase that are unironically the meme "Cons00m the product, get excited for new product" Soon they'll stop being mad that cons00med product is bad and will like it even mkret

@the757general2

Жыл бұрын

The big difference is that these are 30 year old games that we've played numerous times before not new games. They should've never charged $40 for such a barebones collection.

it's gotten so bad that I fully expect fans to quickly make a remake of Origins on one of the open-source engines. If they do, I hope they do a full Mania-style HD versions of the sprites. Ray and Mighty? Heck, yeah. Amy and Metal Sonic? That too. Hell, I'd love to see an option to have the time-travel gimmick from CD implemented in other games as a "remix" option, so you have different pallet colours, layouts, et cetera. Origins is just... the fans deserve better, and the fans can create better. C'mon, Sega.

@hormoheb

Жыл бұрын

dont get to ahead of yourself sega might be cool with fan games but they will do something about that.

@bigmanliam

Жыл бұрын

damn you are asking for so much good lord

@Froggo-up4wu

Жыл бұрын

@@bigmanliam if sonic mania was made for the fans, by the fans, then they could do it again, right

@KimPossibleShockwave

Жыл бұрын

@Lamda2 • 15y ago As awesome as they are, they still use sprites from the original games; Mania basically recreated those sprites in higher detail and definition. For example, look at Hydrocity in Sonic 3 and Hydrocity in Mania, sprite for sprite, and you'll see the difference.

@KimPossibleShockwave

Жыл бұрын

@Lamda2 • 15y ago You'd be surprised at what the fan community can and will make/do. Heck, the only other community that, to my limited knowledge, is as crazy enough to do this sort of thing is the DooM modding community.

Also should be noted the cutscenes don’t play outside of story mode more than once. So if you wanna play just one of the games and you’ve already seen the scenes outside of story mode once, you need to either create a new console profile or just reach it in story mode to play with cutscenes.

@Rafielo

Жыл бұрын

Trying to get the Japanese tracks on CD before the cutscene plays is impossible

@robertlauncher

Жыл бұрын

@@Rafielo Dunno about that. The Amy cutscene intro yes, not sure if the Toei CD intro plays before or after you hit start

This collection feels so lazy that it got me interested in other game collections. It really does feel like they copy & pasted things into this collection. I know it would've probably been a bigger disaster, but I kinda wish Sonic Origins remade these games again. Give them a visual overhaul and more life to the stages, almost kinda like Mario All-stars on the SNES.

@Eldarin

Жыл бұрын

The MegaMan Battle Network one has piqued my interest quite a bit personally, and the recently shown off TMNT one looks great also. Thanks for watching!

@siyahseeker

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Super Mario All Stars is the ultimate game collection.

@Averagenahhhh

Жыл бұрын

Henry stickman collection is a example that is better of collection classics

“Jun is a legend.” Not when trying to emulate Genesis music. Ain’t that right, dying ducks? *Oil Desert intensifies

@Majokodomo

Жыл бұрын

Well, he IS still a legend at that! Legendarily bad! ^-^

@LordArikado

Жыл бұрын

No idea why they had Jun remix the prototype tracks and make them unlistenable instead of...you know, just using the prototype tracks they already had?

@frozenwaffles0114

Жыл бұрын

He is a true legend... Just keep him away from a synth 😔

Game's nowdays* Devs: theres more we'd like to add to the game b4 release as the game's not 100% complete. Owners: does it work? Devs: yes but it needs to be polished the game's not finished Owners: Does it work!? Devs: yes... Owners: finish it and release it b4 the end of this month or you're fired!!! Corporations banks and all govs world wide dont give a single F if we live or die and it effects any and all aspects of society. F the govs. F the banks. everyone's a manipulator. F em.

@Masckerdoom

Жыл бұрын

Does it boot*

I really miss these videos, I can’t believe it’s been 9 months since the last one!

I swear to god Sega/Sonic Team HATES having to work with other teams. They HATE and cant stand any other teams showing them up and they feel the need to stifle and worsen the outside work

He hasn’t posted in a year, sega got him

@matthewisguy7336

Күн бұрын

He's been sonicfied

They really built it up as this big collection with the christian whitehead ports with some new additions like the drop dash and the new animated cutscenes, a gallery and a mission mode, but it really all fell off once the game released. I can tell that the team behind it really wanted to try to make the collection the best it could be, especially headcanon, but they were forced to rush it by the hire-ups at SEGA and their bad business decisions. So many care was put into this collection, the menu animations were smooth, the little island things were nice and many more features. They finally ported Sonic 3 & Knuckles to modern systems and with widescreen support as well, added many moves such as the drop dash, it looked nice. Sure, it was over-priced, but maybe the overall quality of the collection could make up for it? that's an unfortunate no, I expected the fan ports to have more features since fan ports always have more options and features than official releases, and the game did have a fine amount of features for me. Still, some of these features came with problems like the drop dash being jank in Sonic 1 and 2. But then we have the many glitches caused by a rushed cycle and integration issues, mostly with Sonic 3. The collision detection was really bad in the retro engine version of that game and they just straight up ported over some bugs from the original Sonic 3, which is really impressive in the worst way possible. This is again, in no way an insult to Headcanon, they tried the best they could with the limited development time. This is overall a huge disappointment, while it can still be good in some areas, it's an overall 5/10 collection. Just play the fan ports, they have way more options which makes them better and for CD, play the Steam version with a drop dash mod (with the "nostalgic" filter built into the game to not make it as blurry). Now I'm incredibly worried about Frontiers even the game turns out good, there can still be many glitches (To be fair, open world games tend to have many glitches but Sonic Frontiers could have too much glitches), let's hope that doesn't happen to Frontiers.

@themilkman9688

Жыл бұрын

Sonic 3’s “bugs” are just Robotnik’s diabolical traps Fake fan smh (Jk)

@jaydenc367

Жыл бұрын

I mean the overall quality was not bad. It is mostly good and more so a 7/10 collection really.

I'm honestly really missing the time where a new Sonic game was released... and you already knew you were in for a great time... This has not happened since Generations (With the exception of Sonic Mania which was done partially by really passionate fangame creators) I'm missing it for sure...

Honestly in 10 years sega is not even gonna exist, its just facts, weve seen a collection of just lazy games recently

Actually I perfer some of the prototype tracks over the MJ ones (although they were butchered in Origins). Mainly both acts of Carnival Night Zone and Launch Base Zone Act 2. Ice Cap Zone is irreplaceable though.

@ikagura

Жыл бұрын

I'd say Diamond Dust is superior as a winter level theme.

@retrofan4963

Жыл бұрын

I prefer Ice Cap prototype theme over the popular Hard Times Ice Cap theme.

@ihatestags

Жыл бұрын

@@ikagura it's funny you bring up diamond dust because there is a guy called bouncy glow who made a refinement of the proto ice cap track that sounds very similar to diamond dust zone, take a listen to it.

@misterhimura036

Жыл бұрын

@@retrofan4963 Hard Times Ice Cap still better

@retrofan4963

Жыл бұрын

@@misterhimura036 That's your opinion, I prefer Ice Cap prototype theme over Hard Times Ice Cap and I'll stick with that opinion.

While you say its unrealistic to expect Origins to have the same amount of customizability as say Sonic 1 Forever, or 3 A.I.R. but they still could have at least given us a filter option like 2017's Sonic Mania if they couldn't give the same options as 1997's Sonic Jam collection which like you turn off or on the Spin Dash from Sonic 1, turn off the time limit across Sonic 1-3&K or change the difficulty from Easy, Normal (basically the then Anniversary mode of that collection) or play the Original. All while still being able to mess with the other settings, like the Spin Dash or time limit. Plus the game is probably one of the worst cases of false advertising in recent years, with its mention of NEW playable characters, when there are none. One last thing, and I'm not sure if this is me reaching but I can't help but feel its trying to rewrite history for it to be like "Oh, don't you know! Sonic NEVER spoke back then!" To fit in with what they have with that bad tribute act they try passing off as Sonic from the 90s in Generations and Forces. Something which never made any sense what so ever when both Tails and Eggman could talk. One positive I will say the animations are nice, but not enough to justify the $40 price tag.

@cst1229

Жыл бұрын

I'm guessing "new playable characters" means all 3 characters (except Knuckles in CD) in 1, 2 and CD, which... we've had for nearly 9 years with the mobile remasters I think. It's only new if you compare it to the Genesis originals exclusively.

@DemonDethchase

Жыл бұрын

@@cst1229 I noticed with the new accolades trailer from yesterday that they've dropped the mention of new playable characters.

The sonic 3 and k music is probably the biggest disappointment for me (I wish they’d get the issue fixed or found a better solution) but there is a lot of other disappointing things

@ninjanamedbob2407

Жыл бұрын

yea. i love s3k but my god i couldnt even finish the game cause the music was so shit and annoying

@wolfboy20

Жыл бұрын

It would've cost Sega an arm and a leg to get the music added into the games since MJs estate owns the rights to it and they charge MONEY MONEY

@pizzahighfive2612

Жыл бұрын

@@wolfboy20 Huh? So how come every other port of sonic 3 and knuckles always had original music?

@ladytrans3067

Жыл бұрын

@@wolfboy20 shitty child molester music

@wolfboy20

Жыл бұрын

@@pizzahighfive2612 because MJ was still alive & it was easier to negotiate Royalties? 🤔🤔🤔

SEGA are to blame for rushing games, bad marking and every time they repeat history (more likely rushing new game during development) they’re doom to fail They should let Tee Lopes to do his version of S3&K OST 🤔

Bro come back please.

I’ll be honest, Origins was my first time playing Sonic CD front to back and my first time collecting all the Chaos Emeralds in Sonic 1, both in anniversary mode. I’ve never been the best at the classic games, even when playing on an actual Sega Genesis, so in that sense I am grateful for anniversary mode and its coin system. However, it feels too easy to get coins, even without the 100 coin pre-order bonus, especially since you gain an extra 3 for completing a special stage well enough. Plus there’s not really an incentive to use them as currency for the concept art and cinematics since… y’know… KZread exists; unless you just wanna get rid of all those excess coins. And same goes for the music. It would have been better if those coins were used to buy customization options for gameplay like using the Sonic 1, 2, and CD Sonic sprites in S3&K (or vice versa), or unlocking Ray and Mighty. It really doesn’t make sense why there are separate player profiles in 1, 2, and CD for each character, and yet S3&K uses the original save file system. Older ports of pre-S3&K games handled multiple save files much better. Even if they had just reused the S3&K save file screen for all the games I would have been happy with that. I think they also should have had an option to split S3&K into Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles, and used the originally intended stage order where Flying Battery comes before Ice Cap. And I know Knuckles’ Chaotix isn’t the most popular but I think they should’ve included that game too, just with some refinements to the ring tether mechanic. Just sayin’ this would’ve been a great opportunity to improve on some of the shortcomings of the original games. As it is I have no idea why it took so long for Origins to come out after it was announced even though it shows all the signs of being a rushed port.

Didn't they initially promise a new playable character? I remember a TON of people getting excited for the first time Amy has been playable in years. Then it was quietly dropped.

@bestaround3323

Жыл бұрын

The new character is knuckles and tails.

@000Dragon50000

Жыл бұрын

@@bestaround3323 That's fucking bullshit, they were already in 3, and neither of them are playable in CD. That's not new that's just slightly expanded access to existing characters.

@bestaround3323

Жыл бұрын

@@000Dragon50000 I don't disagree with you. Just pointing out it was said in the video that knuckles with tails was probably the "new" character mentioned. You also don't have to be so rude.

@000Dragon50000

Жыл бұрын

@@bestaround3323 Oh right tone is weird on the internet, I didn't intend to be rude to you, just whoever made that crappy excuse

Funnily enough regarding you talking about Mighty and Ray in this, apparently there were leftovers of them for the Sonic 3&Knuckles portion. Sonic Mania was used as a source for Sonic 3 but then it also tries to reference “S3K_Special/Mighty.bin” and “S3K_Special/Ray.bin” which implies they could’ve been the original new characters for the game. This was pointed out (at least from where I found it) by a Staff at TheSpritersResource named, Random Talking Bush, who is one of the many people that rips sprites from games on that site.

“Surely SEGA didn’t think they knew better than a few little fans” Mania is basically a licensed fan game. At this point, the fans DO know better than SEGA.

It was such a disappointed his channel died

@salsa3004

8 ай бұрын

do you know where it went?

@crazyduplicate

8 ай бұрын

​@salsa3004 no one knows. dude's twitter last posted over a year ago. total mystery.

As someone who grew up with the S3&K PC Collection, the lack of the MJ soundtrack doesn't bother me too much. It's definitely understandable, what isn't is the fact that they got the MIDIs from that collection, ran it through the Genesis soundfont/sound driver and called it a day. Maybe it's hyperbole, but it definitely feels like that. I will agree with everything else and I like how you went into detail about a lot of stuff that others haven't gone through, like the museum mode and development history. SEGA definitely needs new management, or at the very least, Tom Kalinske to come back.

Sonic Origins Moment

Sonic origins? More like Sonic BOREGINS. I’m so creative please love me

Hope you're doing well man, those times in that discord server were awesome I hope you know that.

@chibie3384

4 ай бұрын

🤭

@Eldarin

4 ай бұрын

thanks man, glad you enjoyed them. hope you are doing good too!

Sonic is quite something, imagine being able to STILL survive from marketability even when your games become more lackluster to bad. All because he was first marketed as Mario's rival.

@virgogaming6488

Жыл бұрын

People still remember the 2D games fondly though they were never that good.

Fun fact, I'm pretty sure the extra sonic 3 super sonic frames aren't new, they were in the original but because of a bug the frames don't appear

20:27 It's actually pretty hilarious with some of these bugs, namely being able to do this to the water. xD

@whydiyoudothat2567

Жыл бұрын

And knuckles doing his dance mid air was also funny

Sega really needs to rethink it's development strategy. Sonic Origins should have been an easy win, but they managed to mess that up. Needless to say, this certainly lowers my expectations for Frontiers even more. Either let the fandevs make more games, or give more time to your top franchise.

@mjc0961

Жыл бұрын

Sonic Colors Ultimate should have been an easy win too. KZread recently put a video in my feed about the optimal way to set up mods to get the best experience playing Sonic Adventure 2's PC version. Why does that have to exist? Why can't SEGA do a single thing right? Frontiers, even if people liked it, definitely needed more time too. That pop-in is just... No. I'm not playing a game where the point is to explore the world and look for things that I literally cannot see because the render distance for them is so short. Maybe in a few years when it's $5 and modders fixed it.

Would've been cool that the Chaotix including Mighty appeared as playable characters. Or maybe also adding Chaotix as an extra game. With included Sonic and Tails.

You can browse the museum with music if you create a playlist. I gotta say, I wasn't expecting to agree with a lot of points in this video, but after giving it a chance I totally sympathize with your frustrations. I personally love Origins, but I can see how all these little changes and missed opportunities can make it hard to enjoy the experience.

@iananderson4754

Жыл бұрын

really? wow why couldn't they tell us after creating a playlist

I love how the thumbnail is just “Massive disappointment” while sonic is just crying

Cha-ching, Cha-ching, cha-chingaree Money, oh money, how I love thee Cha-ching, Cha-chong, Cha-changaroo From pennies to dollars, any amount will do! Cha-ching, Cha-ching, it's no contest! There's only one thing that I love the best!

@Eldarin

Жыл бұрын

i originally had the whole thing in there but it got copyright claimed :(

@75JUNAKI

Жыл бұрын

@@Eldarin I remember watching that episode.

6:04 i know this was a joke, and I find it funny it’s even funnier that indie devs have done more than sega ever could have

Honestly I knew this was going to happen the moment this game was announced. This and a new 3D mainline game coming out in the same summer? Yeah no this was GOING to be rushed and unpolished and I guarantee you Frontiers is going to to be the same thing. We shall see.

The 3D islands are great and all but the models are directly ripped from Generations. That's why Amy and Knuckles aren't apparent. Not really a con, but you know...

The reason the drop dash is locked in all but 3K is because they’re using the original engine, where jumping from a ball form will lock sonic. That also means headcanon REMADE the engine for 3k to be on par with mania. Even then sega coulda just made sonic change direction from a hall jump without momentum changing, that would be nice.

Incorrect information; you CAN switch off the Spin Dash in Sonic 1 via the level select menu, as well as enable the elemental shields. Labyrinth Zone with a Bubble Shield is a complete joke.

All right kids, time to grow up, now repeat with me "Sega is the biggest villain of Sonic"

What makes it worse is that SEGA goes ahead and Delist the original ports of the 4 games (5 if you consider sonic 3 and sonic and knuckles to be separate games) off of steam

Menu music is from Sonic Jam on the Saturn

Sonic CD’s draw dash actually works like S3&K and it makes time travel a breeze. I don’t think Ray and Mighty would make the price tag more reasonable like you said. In fact I think it would make things worse because of their more detailed and animated sprites would clash with the original games’ art styles. It would make Sega look even lazier.

It's SEGA and Sonic Team we're talking about here. What did you expect? I can't wait to see how they fuck up Sonic Frontiers too.

I actually think the main reason they removed the voice lines from the Sonic CD remaster was because for whatever reason in Sonic Generations and Forces, they decided to make Classic Sonic go mute which is kinda stupid since Sonic could still talk back then, but there could be some other reason.

Anyone who still expects quality control on Sonic games at this point is delusional.

@virgogaming6488

Жыл бұрын

It's why they need to stop making Sonic games.

I miss your videos :(

@anthonygonenow2429

10 ай бұрын

Can’t believe it’s been a year since he last posted. Where has this guy been?? :(

Dodged a bullet. Thanks! I want a Sonic 3 and knuckles game on Switch, but I’ll wait for them to get their heads out of their butts.

@colburnrescores6654

Жыл бұрын

Just download the switch port of Sonic 3 AIR it’s very worth it

@uhuhmwell

Жыл бұрын

Not gonna happen

@Dan-ch8kv

Жыл бұрын

@@colburnrescores6654 how do you get that on switch?

@colburnrescores6654

Жыл бұрын

@@Dan-ch8kv just search it up online and there should be a guide telling you how to do it but you need to make sure your switch is homebrewed

I remember when all of these were brand new. And it blew our minds when the knuckles cartridge came out and you could plug them all in to the top of the knuckles cartridge. So cool.

Its been 6 months, really hope you're doing well man

7:59 this is a crime that can never be forgiven

Just hand him over to the fans at this point. And take a percentage. Sonic belongs to us now.

I am sad they messed this release up. I am glad I didn’t preorder it. I was really looking forward to this. Thank goodness have all these games on my Xbox 360.

@100purenacl3

Жыл бұрын

And they're backwards compatible too

When mods of a rhythm game where people make random noises and call it rapping is better than actual big releases

Only Sega can even get the Colors Ultimate defenders to turn against them lmaooo

Sonic Origins was so disappointing he stopped making videos

The clip of sonic drowning about 1/3 through the video legitimately made me flinch.

The speed, jump height, and physics were changed too. That means none of the precise tricks and little puzzles you were meant to figure out to play the stages in sonic 3 smoothly without taking damage or wasting time no longer work. It just feels like a mess

@NarutoUzumaki-xg9et

Жыл бұрын

wait really??

@kiwirooks7299

Жыл бұрын

@@NarutoUzumaki-xg9et yes. If you would like a comprehensive look at it I can send it to you, but the sonic origins port of 3 is terrible. Nothing works as intended.

@NarutoUzumaki-xg9et

Жыл бұрын

@@kiwirooks7299 This…ruined my hype. Sure please

I feel sorry for all the Sonic fans. the sonic games are either very good or are they just sonic 2006. it's like playing a lottery you never know what might happen

@keon200

Жыл бұрын

🤡🤡🤡

Sonic 3 A.I.R is where its at guys..Give it a try.

Me, at SEGA: Could you stop rushing every single project *FOR 5 MINUTES*

Sonic origins is a waste of money, because, at the end, you can emulate those games even better. Sonic Mania had original and remaked levels & Sonic Fronteirs has good reviews, this are the new Sonic games that are enjoyable. Maybe Sonic Superstars could be better

Sega just messing everything up as usual

Even the menu theme which you thought was a bop and inspired by mania is a remix of a song in Sonic Jam

Re-releases or ports tend to be so crappy these days on modern consoles, we've taken steps back.

To be frank, most us Sonic fans have already gotten used to SEGA releasing rushed Sonic games. It just goes to show that they have never learned their lesson from Sonic '06 and Sonic the Hedgehog Genesis (GBA). Shame on you, SEGA.

@virgogaming6488

Жыл бұрын

They haven't cared enough since being out of the console wars.

There is a glitch in Sonic 3 And Knuckles is if you get a Giant Ring in Marble Garden Zone and Lava Reef Zone if you have Super Sonic or Hyper Sonic, you lose most of your Emeralds. You only get left with TWO Chaos Emeralds. Imagine unlocking Hyper Sonic and then lose him trying to get an extra 50 Rings to keep your Form going.

Origins was just a prototype. I expect in this lifetime as many re-releases of Old Sonic games as there has been re-releases of Street Fighter 2. Add more characters, bring back old music and remixes, and that rewind feature. Always wanted to cheat during blue spheres. Lol.

Sega is returning to the dark side

You know what really fucking sucks about the Sonic 3 music situation? I've heard wonderful re-arrangements of the prototype music done by Bouncy Glow's Music Room and Mastered Realm, and SEGA completely butchered it. Even leaving the music untouched would've been better.

I dont know about you, but CD had a smooth drop dash like 3&K. Not saying that's justifying the 1 and 2 drop dash, I just wanted to point that out.

@donutdome

Жыл бұрын

The drop dash isn't the problem, 1 & 2 have always had the mechanic where if you jump while rolling you can't move

@pvzmariosonica8fan

Жыл бұрын

@@donutdome The hack "Sonic 1 Mania Edition" implements the Drop Dash perfectly, along with Sega Ages Sonic 1/2

@iananderson4754

Жыл бұрын

oh now i see the problem you cant change directions if you were rolling before you jumped. I wasn't sure what people were talking about at first

Off topic, I'm super excited for TMNT: The Cowabunga Collection. I can only hope it is not as disappointing as Sonic Origins.

@Eldarin

Жыл бұрын

Me too! If you havent checked it out yet, this IGN interview with the developers should put any worries at ease...guys working on it seem very excited to show off the product and also go into alot of detail on the ins-and-outs of the collection. kzread.info/dash/bejne/g5-t2surdMnMedo.html

Sad thing is that I actually paid for this thinking Sega was going to release a finished product ha Frontiers is out the window for me, I am no longer interested and you shouldn't be either

Removing Sonics," I'm outta here!" Line from CD feels like a hate crime

No Idea how people still have moderately high expectations for the frontiers, after this fiasco... and after sonic forces... and after sonic boom...

Everyone: " *Having high hopes on this cool remake of old game's* " Me Knowing that this was gonna be shit: " *Takes a sip of coffee* High hopes huh? "

@GengarFan1997

Жыл бұрын

*Damn.* 💀

@sippingtealads

Жыл бұрын

@@GengarFan1997 " Damn is right. That's why I was more hyped about Frontier's than this. "

@GengarFan1997

Жыл бұрын

@@sippingtealads I think *Everyone* was hyped about Frontier's.

Us,the fans:we care about heath and passion Higher ups at SEGA:we care about MONEY,and time crunches

I thought it was good. The only real issues I have with Sonic Origins is the music, which has a simple mod you can install (thedefinitivesonic3ost) to have the original tracks. The latency was off by a frame or two but I fixed that by playing the game in borderless fullscreen mode. And the price was a bit high but it'll go on sale. Other than those issues, which are fixable, it's a fun game that's more convenient than installing janky mods to make the original games almost as good as this. Plus you get these neat animations.