I like how everything pup mentioned at the end will be fixed and exceed expectations 😌

@muanims

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Its funny to see him talking about fixing all of these issues on the final part of the game knowing what we know

@AtomicoMacaco

Жыл бұрын

Well he does also say these are the most likely changes to occur in the next update. And honestly it looks incredibly promising so far!

Great Vid bro. I'm still gushing at the fact at how hard Kishimoto is working to fix the issues of this game. So excited for Update 3.

@ChannelPup

Жыл бұрын

I am Kishimoto's biggest fan now.

@terrencekworld

Жыл бұрын

@@ChannelPup For real

@Boykeeplays

Жыл бұрын

KISHIGOATO

This update was crazy. Even before I got the spindash, I'd honestly just load up the game and run around with my jump deceleration at 0 and just run all over the islands and see what I could do. Add in the spindash, and just moving around has been a blast.

@ViltrumiteIsRite99

Жыл бұрын

I thought moving around was fun already… then they made it work more properly, acknowledging the countless critique over physics and momentum. Sonic truly got better control for his birthday, and that’s funny as fuck.

I've heard people say they don't like the spin dash being locked behind the action challenges, but honestly I like it being locked until the final island. As fun as spin dashing is, it makes a lot of the platforming feel redundant with how easy it is to find a slope and launch to the highest point possible. The Action Challenges weren't extremely hard for me, and I think having to earn the spin dash through platforming challenges makes spin dashing across all the platforming feel less cheap than if you had it from the start or could grind the combat/fishing for EXP. By the time I got the spin dash, I used it to collect memory tokens for 100%, and while it was more fun to travel with the spin dash than with the normal boost, I'm glad I had to wait for it and get through the early platforming the traditional way.

Sonic Frontier’s DLC Update 2 was a lot better than I was anticipating. The new quality of life improvements like adjusting Sonic’s deceleration or turning off the cinematic camera are nice new features. Then the brand new platforming challenges and action chain challenges are great new additions and help give the islands more to do during or after finishing the main campaign. Finally, the spin dash makes the cyberspace stages much more fun to play and try to improve your best runs through them. And the birthday themed cosmetics look pretty good too. Update 1 and 2 have both exceeded my expectations and have made Frontiers an overall more enjoyable experience. While I was already fine with the original base game, I can safely say that the free content has helped boost Frontiers further up my top 3D Sonic games ranking. While I agree the quality of life improvements should’ve already been in the base game, it’s not that big of a deal to me since all of this is free. This only makes me more excited to see what they add with the 3rd and final update. Frontiers is an excellent and fun game, but the final island and the ending of the campaign leave a lot to be desired. One gripe I have is I wish the atmosphere on Ouranos Island was more like the atmosphere on Rhea island. The End has finally been freed and plans to attack the islands and the Earth at any moment. Although the atmosphere doesn’t really convey that well. Another gripe is that the final boss is underwhelming. With the details we received from Mr. Kishimoto, it seems that these issues will hopefully be addressed. I’m also interested in seeing how Amy, Tails, and Knuckles will be implemented in the 3rd update. Hopefully, they’ll play a bigger role in the final story and overall narrative. And hopefully, they’ll be fun to play as too.

Idk but it just hit me, in the fight with The End, it says “Titans” instead of titan, but obviously you only work with Sage controlling Supreme. Wouldn’t it be cool if Knuckles, Tails, and Amy control the titans from their island and help Sonic take down the end, that probably sounds like a stretch and kinda retcons the ending of Frontiers but that would be cool

@PapiTheMenace

Жыл бұрын

Sonic also said “they took your home, you wanna let that happen again” or something along that, like bro who are you talking to ? 💀💀 sage was born like 3 hours ago

@Supersonicspyro

Жыл бұрын

​@@PapiTheMenacehe was talking to the titan itself, it has the soul of its original pilot in it

@PapiTheMenace

Жыл бұрын

@@Supersonicspyro yes in the new update 3 story leaks it is. But not in the main game, in the main game they emphasize that the end was controlling supreme and then after supreme was defeated, it “retreated from its shell” and was forming its actual body in space, then sage goes into supreme when that quote was said.

Anyone else think it's funny how most people went from hating Kishimoto to loving him?

Honestly I'm cutting sonic team slack because this is their first time making a open world or open zone game and first time also making a photo mode, yeah it's bare bones but it their first try, and for their first try it good. They made a somewhat decent open world/open zone game that they had no experience in. And they are already trying to improve on it. They usually make linear games that are in level fashion. Linear is way different from open world. Going from linear to open world is like, Going from tell-tale game to a fighting game. And for what they made, this is impressive.

22:45 what are the bottom run speed, the bottom boosting speed, and the top boosting speed settings in the game? Are they the starting speed, initial boost speed, turning speed, boost turning speed, and top speed settings?

@ChannelPup

Жыл бұрын

Just starting speed, initial boost speed and top speed. I left turning speed at middle.

@2koolkvs418

Жыл бұрын

@@ChannelPup Thx!

@2koolkvs418

Жыл бұрын

@@ChannelPup Although, I just tried the settings and I do prefer mine, but thanks anyways!

After collecting the few rare coco on Kronos, I think I'd be pretty angry if THAT was the condition to achieve the spin dash. The action challenges are way better.

17:03 made me spit my drink out

Action chain is also made easier by killing enemies. Thr point is to chain as many kiinds of actions, no matter what is is, quickly in limited time so literally anything goes. Make ur own levels

Really I hope that the next update gameplay wise fixes the homing attack buffering by at least a little bit and makes the parry an option to be timed or not in the settings

How about the fact that shooting stars are chilling dog's now😂no one mentioned that

Something to note about the jumping. It doesn't carry over your momentum universally. If you're running without Boosting, it will carry your moment into your jump just fine. Same goes for if you jump while Boosting with the setting enabled. But, if you have deceleration enabled, Boost, let go of the analog stick and jump while decelerating, your jump automatically gets set to whatever your top base speed is, which means there's a very large amount of speeds between top base speed and max boost speed where your jump just gets gimped. There's also a bit of an issue with the deceleration I hope they can fix down the line. It's applied evenly across all speeds, so while it feels great to Boost, let go, and decelerate, if you just barely tap the stick forward it feels like you're on ice. That's why it's so hard to do those intricate platforming challenges now. Sonic *should* stop on a dime *if* you're going slow. His deceleration should inversely scale with his speed, not be a static number.

#1 fix should be stopping Sonic from glitching up and down while crossing any terrain that's even slightly uneven. It kills your speed and jumps, too.

I wish frontiers would of launched at least with the first 2 updates and I bet it would of done much better on Metacritic. But loving the updates and loves frontiers!

@kcculla

Жыл бұрын

I would've enjoyed the game more with these, my biggest problems were the lack of momentum and the lack of atmosphere in the hub worlds. I would've enjoyed playing the hub worlds more if I had the jukebox from the start

@best_mate456

Жыл бұрын

I mean you can’t complain the past if it is already there

I feel having all the content should of been there but as long as the game is full by the end, I'll be happy.

@xthewhitewolf

Жыл бұрын

The game was already a "full game" at release.

I am very pleased with this update and can not wait to play the third update. Something I’ve wondered about is that if they are going to do the open zone format for the next game and future games to come, I’ve wondered, what exactly ARE going to be the open zones that we will explore and have our next adventure? Well, your photoshop at 25:14 definitely looks like something that I think Sonic Team should do in the next game. And, hear me out on this, what if they do open zones on past locations we’ve seen before … that aren’t Green Hill, Chemical Plant, and Sky Sanctuary. Places like the city where you do the City Escape level, Mystic Ruins, Dusty Desert, etc. If they would want to go really ambitious, what about the Sol Dimension, or Crisis City in the future, but since Silver’s future isn’t ruined anymore (I think), it could be called “Tranquil City,” or something like that. And having the freedom of running around an Eggman base open zone sounds really fun. I’m spitballing here. Whatever they decide to do, we can think about that when the time is right, but for now I’m really excited for Update 3. Great video, Pup!

The dreaded m word.

@starwarsmontagemadigan1758

Жыл бұрын

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@Magicghost23

Жыл бұрын

@@starwarsmontagemadigan1758 For a while there momentum was a sticky topic in the Sonic fandom

@starwarsmontagemadigan1758

Жыл бұрын

@@Magicghost23 oh XD im kinda new

@starwarsmontagemadigan1758

Жыл бұрын

i joined like 2021 but i'm kinda an "expert"

12:05 correction, if you _100% the game,_ you get the crown

I still haven't gotten the spindash yet, or really any of the new update moves like the cyberspace blue dash. The S-rank everything grind is just too much tedium for me lol. I do wanna grind for the spindash though, being able to set it to easy mode to make it all less frustrating is nice. Plus the new move sounds pretty fun from everything I've been hearing

@Gnidel

Жыл бұрын

It gets better past Kronos because challenges are more spread out and you don't end up in the same places.

I still wish there was a way to manually copy and delete save files. Sonic Colors Ultimate had this problem as well.

Update 2 has made Frontiers Sonic my favorite controlling Sonic

wait this animated dog so charming imma subscribe for that alone

Anyone else notice in Update 2 that Sonic was given Animations for his Homing Attack?

Definitely my favorite part of this update is the Boost upgrade and the Spin Dash. Really was frustrated that we have to do the Action Challenges. As well as the Koco, really confusing on what platforms to find them. Either high or low.

@ViltrumiteIsRite99

Жыл бұрын

Hey, what’s the boost upgrade? Even faster? Kinda just aimed for the spin dash and loaded up new game +.

@Artist_Unbound

Жыл бұрын

@@ViltrumiteIsRite99, the boost gets increased. It lasts longer, so Sonic won't get tired too quickly.

@Galamoth06

Жыл бұрын

I'm surprised you can't find specific platforming sections- they're all so visually distinct and memorable... (heavy sarcasm)

Action cha8n music be hittin different

26:40 Remember back in Sonic Unleashed when you first fight Dark Gaia as Chip in the first phase? Then play as Sonic himself in the Perfect Phase? Honestly just do that for Frontiers. Normal Ikaruga shooter for Sage, then do a super fight for Sonic afterwards

Next month, I'll have the spin dash

So much data mining going on update 3 people can’t wait to get their hands on it when it does I may consider sonic frontiers 90+ for me

Did you know that Perry will be fixed in update 3 plus supreme look absolutely sick and I think you can climb on him

@terrencekworld

Жыл бұрын

Wait Really!!!!

@davidbeer5015

Жыл бұрын

@terrencekworld Apparently Kishimoto is aware of people's disappointment with Ouranos and the End, and people have found Update 3 files in the game with update 2, like how people found the Spindash in the files.

@terrencekworld

Жыл бұрын

​@@davidbeer5015Yeah I agree. The game was amazing, but the ending is kinda of anticlimactic. I'm so excited to see how they improve supreme and the end. Especially with Amy, Tails, and Knuckles being playable.

@muanims

Жыл бұрын

If Your talking about that black and red superme photo, Its fake, the rest are true tho

@LightshifterGame

Жыл бұрын

Perry?! what happened to him? Poor platypus.

i feel like the biggest problem with this isn't even a problem with the game, its just that some of the open world koco platforming lags the switch so badly like seriously nintendo make a more powerful console. also, great video pup! love hearing you talk about sonic! oh btw if youre holding the left trigger and you stomp, you'll spindash as soon as you touch the ground

Although you get through the action challenges really quick it should only take maybe around an hour hour and a half. I literally spend an extra hour on each island just having fun with it. I love this.

6:00 I think you have to switch it off in the same place you change your sonic skins (extras)

What if Sonic Superstars was originally supposed to be in Sonic origins but got stripped out leaving the fans with only wide screens old classic games what cost 2.99 each at the corner antique shop. Hmm them 3D idle wallpaper animations look familiar 🤔🧐

Channel Pup? More like Channel PEAK.

um, what's the photo mod you are talking about? I can't find any (well I did found one but it just makes moving the camera faster)

for me the trick to all the things that you ssaid are more difficult to pull off is just not have em set to 0. It's not that bad in the base game so having em down to 0 makes the opposite problem apparent to me

I’m real curious to hear Pup’s thoughts on update 3. It seems to be an additional, different ending to the story.

Hm, how very interesting, makes me very looking forward to the next update.

8:48 yep I would like that

I didn’t get the Joke Amy and a Birthday Suit

@christopherford39

Жыл бұрын

You're birthday suit is you being naked put to and to together and the you realize the joke was about Amy being naked

There's a spin dash now? I did not notice it at all and I played it 2 days ago lol

the open zone challenge can be easily beat by defeating 2 enemys and a boss at max multiplier, the tricky part is the routing

Well let's look at it this way. Frontiers was a massive shot in the dark for SEGA/Sonic Team. The first (mostly) fully open-*zone* Sonic game so it's understandable that for the time they want to play it safe in how they go about it. Maybe all of this was planed to be in the game at one point but was cut out because they didn't want over overwhelm the player. Now, with the positive feedback fueling the fire, they can fiddle and fine-tune, using fan feedback from these updates and what fans want to see they can have a better blueprint to work off of when it comes time for the next game. And from the things I have heard, the next game could just very well be Sonic Adventure 3.

@Galamoth06

Жыл бұрын

Or maybe it was just plain unfinished and rushed out the door.

@christopherford39

Жыл бұрын

​@@Galamoth06that's it and Kishimoto confirmed that was the case especially considering this was supposed to release 2021

Yeah... I don't think they will change the grassy theme for ouranos. Not because they do not want, i just don't think they will have enough time. Ouranos is pretty big to be changed this fast. And yeah they can just change the color or something like but it would feel a very lazy work. Keep in mind they are working on a lot of new content, 3 playable characters, reworked puzzles, final boss and probably other things we still don't know because update 2 give us much more than i was expecting. I mean they still are 60 people, so i don't think it would be possible to do such crazy changes in the level design. If it was a big team, like, 150 for more it would be possible

Very good video

Honestly i understand you dont want to look at the leaks for update 3, so all il say is this, update 3 is already shaping up to be a really good one

how did you feel about the island themes being in the jukebox? or the photo mode having the birthday border be a new border

They really should have just put the spindash in the skill tree, with it being locked behind a grind, not enough players will find it and appreciate it/recommend it be in the next game

@AtomicoMacaco

Жыл бұрын

I understand why they did it since the spin dash is absurdly broken, and it does give more reason to have a playthrough on New Game+. But yeah my first instinct was to look for it in the skill tree, but when I couldn't find it, I had no idea how to get it and got all the New Koco before trying the Action Chain Challenges. Seriously, they could have at the very least explained ingame that completing Action Chain Challenges granted some special reward and that the Koco only affect the boost.

stream would be cool

Ehhh, I mean it's kinda momentum.... You still go uphill at the same speed no matter what (outside of the Drop-Dash). They just give very convincing smoke n mirrors cause of the jump deceleration slider in the options menu and giving Spin-Dash a low gravity (that only works like, 70% of the time)

22:45

Imagine how crazy it would have been if these updates were at launch. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that we're getting them, but It just really shows the the base game should have been allowed a delay because this update changes so much about the base game, that reviews for the game at launch are really outdated now. If someone looks up a review of this game its gonna mainly be talking about the game at launch, which whether the review is positive or negative is gonna be about a lesser version of the game that no longer exist. Reviews complaining or even just criticising the lack of momentum are gonna be completely outdated, but if a casual or even non-sonic fan is thinking about trying frontiers and looks at a review of the game that's outdated they won't know about all the improvements. But I feel like the developers think that frontiers should have been delayed too, which is why these updates are free. But that's just conjecture on my part.

I still think the fact that we didn't get a fully cyber-space corrupted sonic form was a huge let down. He becomes fully corrupted and then totally uncorrupted in the span of like 2 minutes. Would've been so cool to have him like, become fully corrupted, and then cybersonic actually is what the void possesses or something, and Sonic's friends have to use the titans to stop him and separate the void from Sonic, or something like that. edit: especially since tails amy and knuckles will all be playable in update 3, giving them a reason to be playable, by letting Sonic become fully corrupted as the void (give him a dark-sonic-like form with cyberspace notes to differentiate him) and us having to play as the other three to try and rescue Sonic on Ouranos and the other islands, would be AMAZING

@StormyDoesVR

Жыл бұрын

Heck, you could even call the form Cyberspine Sonic if you had to

@christopherford39

Жыл бұрын

​@@StormyDoesVR"Cyberspine" the Sonic Frontiers cyber version of Darkspine

I'm here for another live stream, last one was fun

what is the song that plays in the intro?

The update was bigger and better then I was expecting, I’m looking forward to update 3. Too bad about the leaks, they probably wanted to leave that stuff as a surprise. Something to avoid since there’s apparently spoilers in them

7:25 Pup, what the hell. 😭

@originalname5096

Жыл бұрын

Took me by surprise too considering I remember Amy being 12, though they've removed any canon ages now

@ChannelPup

Жыл бұрын

It was a joke, but the whole ages thing was just a part of some western instruction manuals. The characters are ultimately ageless, unless they're kid-coded like Tails and Cream per se'. Sonic is kinda teen-coded in some of the earlier western media, and definitely kid-coded in the films. Everything else is a grey area I guess. I don't think many people are trying to legitimately bone these creatures though, and good luck if they tried. 😂

@AG_Speaks

Жыл бұрын

@@ChannelPup Oh yeah I was playing along with the joke lol

I'm going to wait till the 3rd update is released before I start my 2nd playthrough. I want to see how different my opinion on the game will be with all this content added.

Your camera and sliders.... The explaination you may be giving to some of these flaws is because of the your settings. Also, let go of the LT button while being launch from the dpin dash to do air tricks

I loved this game, honestly, i did, from start to finish, however i agree that the final boss wasnt the best, i still enjoyed fighting the end, though i enjoy space shooters so i guess that helped, overall sonic frontiers is my favorite modern sonic game, and thats saying something cause i really liked unleashed

The birthday elements are pretty hard on the eyes and mind, but I think Sonic Team did that on purpose as a joke, showing just how wild they like to go when celebrating the characters birthday. The decorations clashing with nearly everything is the joke, and can be disabled easily in the menu if it has long run its course.

Rest assured man The update 3 will fix all the things that you mentioned and will add even more amazing things Can't wait for this update it's gonna make the game ALOT better than it was and for me will make it a 9/10

@cryguy0000

Жыл бұрын

How do you know?

@amrkhaled5460

Жыл бұрын

@@cryguy0000 The leaks

@Galamoth06

Жыл бұрын

Maybe one of the fixes will include making it actually look like a Sonic the Hedgehog game and not a fan-made unreal engine demo...

@amrkhaled5460

Жыл бұрын

@@Galamoth06 Couldn't care less tbh

@Galamoth06

Жыл бұрын

@@amrkhaled5460 That's fine, as long as you enjoy it. I'm just picky I guess

Only problem with your idea for ouranous island is that, well, it and rhea ARE the first island. No idea why they're named differently. Fortunately this can be easily fixed. Just gotta change a single line in the egg memos and we're golden, so I hope they do this.

29:24 fin.

In the next game i think the spindash should be a roll instead of a secondary boost. Just to make them feel a lil less repetitive

Although I appreciate having some acknowledgment of all the hard work you need to do to get the 100% completion, the Frontiers elite costume kind of sucks. It’s literally just sonic with what looks like a Burger King crown. If they were going to go with a king sonic, he should’ve at least given him a cape that would flow in the windows you run. That would’ve at least been a bit more interesting. Or heck, if they’re just gonna give you a modified version of base sonic model, why not give you chips bracelet? People have been begging for that for years and I for one thing that would be something cool to wear in new game plus

@comicfan1324

Жыл бұрын

Definitely the hardest part about getting the crown is that you have to do literally everything. You have to get every memory token on every island on top of doing all of the other checklist items. So for it to be just sonics model, but with a crown is pretty disappointing.

@KaleBennett

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, I liked the crown just because it's funny to see Sonic wear. He looks like he's wearing it because it makes him feel proud of himself.

Yknow it kinda pisses me off that one of the best part of the game is locked behind doing challanges

I mean the game is not really low budget but i would say medium

“Budget base for following games” They literally had to beg for 1 extra year of development and izuka almost got fired.

@ChannelPup

Жыл бұрын

Christ.

@agrilsunil1

Жыл бұрын

@@ChannelPupYeah SEGA is brutal and wanted it out for the holidays in 2022 because they couldn’t wait and apparently the team were planning on a HUGE Kronos Island with ares mixed in but since some play testers played the game and said it was TOO boring (at this point there were like no challenges,boss fights, guardians or anything) so they had to probably use an entire year just to scrap that idea and redo everything. And SEGA KNOWINGLY rushed it out even though the game wasn’t finished.

@christopherford39

Жыл бұрын

​@@agrilsunil1Kishimoto and Sonic Team have definitely earned these Ws. I can't imagine nearly getting fired over asking for more time so the game out not broken, it's sad that Sega didn't learn their lesson after what happened with 06

W

7:26 As David Ghidorah said, "Caught in 4K!" But seriously, @Channel Pup, why so fruity?

When you do new game plus can’t you go to extreme mode Or you guys are weak

I was so incredibly disappointed with this game. So many things about it are just unforgivable. The islands are so bland and uninteresting, being mostly empty space with the majority of the "platforming" taking place on an insane amount of hideous floating geometry with no rhyme or reason to their placement. I put platforming in quotes because it's so automated it almost plays itself. And the art style really does look like a fan-made unreal engine demo. Nothing about it looks like it belongs in a Sonic game. I have so many more issues, but the last thing I'll say is that the way the plot is handled is unbelievably boring. Collect tokens, walk to friend, initiate cutscene, collect more tokens, move on to next cutscene... And most of the cutscenes are Sonic and another character just standing around talking. That's all anyone does is stand around and deliver exposition. Every scene with Eggman and Sage- the entire development of their relationship outside of text files- takes place in the same exact spot in cyberspace. Most other 3D Sonic stories usually take place in varied locations and involve perceivable threats. In SA1 a city is destroyed by a water Kaiju. In SA2 the moon is blown in half and the planet is nearly destroyed by a falling space station. In Frontiers, I doubt anyone besides Sonic, his friends, and Eggman had any idea there was ever any danger.)

Less automation is good, but the controls and physics aren't good enough to support it.

@Galamoth06

Жыл бұрын

It feels like about 90% of the platforming is automated. I truly don't understand all the gushing praise for this game.

@HeavyMetalSonicRM

Жыл бұрын

@@Galamoth06 Probably because Forces was so bad and it's great to run around so fast in an open environment. Frontiers, to me, is like the best and worst Sonic game at the same time.

@christopherford39

Жыл бұрын

​@@Galamoth06boss fights, the best controls since the adventure games, music, story(for some), voice direction, Sage and Eggman's relationship, hints of SonAmy, Tails' character is getting better, and now the new updates coming out.

@christopherford39

Жыл бұрын

​@@HeavyMetalSonicRMplatforming isn't the only thing the game had

@Galamoth06

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherford39 Funny enough, every thing you listed there are major flaws I have with the game. Easy bosses, often trivialized by being able to hold the counter button indefinitely. The controls feel awful to me, and improving them months later in updates isn't an acceptable solution- the lack of any real momentum and the way you awkwardly lose speed every time you jump, not to mention that the homing attack also causes you to come to a dead stop midair... It just feels bad. And Sonic feels even worse in Cyberspace somehow. The story felt strangely isolated to just the Starfall Islands. Nobody outside of the main cast of the game had any idea there was even a threat, unlike other games where the whole planet is in very public and immediate danger. The plot is almost entirely told in cutscenes where Sonic and one other character stand around and talk. You find one of Sonic's friends, watch a cutscene, then move on to the next cutscene marker on the map. That's the whole game. Eggman and Sage's whole development (aside from some optional journal entries) takes place in just a few short cutscenes where they stand around in the exact same spot in cyberspace and talk.

your suggestions for the sliders is garbage. sega is doing it right by letting people pick what they want.

Your logo changed, again

Imagine not having every slider regarding speed maxed out lmao

It's hilarious wnd adorable how much you're expecting them to change ouranous. Lmao

@ChannelPup

Жыл бұрын

Kishimoto has said that it's getting an overhaul. Just how much of an overhaul there is remains to be seen. I doubt it'll be anything more than a few more story beats happening there but so far we've gotten more than we bargained for with these updates.

@christopherford39

Жыл бұрын

​@@ChannelPupapparently there are gonna be 4 towers and new puzzles on ouranos. Remember the original step in the lit platform puzzle on ouranos, yeah there is a new version that actually has the player put effort.

Amazing video. This update was amazing.

*PromoSM* 🙏