Good ride and under the speed limit. One doesn't have to ride up to the speed limit to be making progress but if one is well below it then we may create a tailgating situation by driver/s behind us. I have noticed but it was not mentioned that many of the white lines, double or single were in bad order ie not really visible and well worn down by the tyres of other vehicles driving over them. That is usually on approach to a left and or right hand bends where car drivers move position to cut into the bend. They also believe that to pull out will gain them an advantage with the view around the bend. Obviously if we are on the outside of a left hand bend, perhaps a blind one we don't want to be hitting them as we are in lean on that bend and they are approaching on or over the white line. So observe how worn the white lines are and that means that vehicles travelling towards us regularly drive on or over them. They are oncoming traffic that one needs to avoid. Some time ago there was a position no 5 which was far over to the right and almost on the white lines on bends and we were told to take up that position for improved vision for a left hand bend. However we were also warned to be aware of the danger of oncoming vehicles approaching and stradling or across those lines and to be ready to sacrifice our position for the sake of safety. We no longer have that position in advanced riding. The furthest that we go out to the right is now position known as 3 which is about the offside tyre track of cars and light vans. If your instructor uses or recommends a closer position such as 5 or calls it 3 but it's close to the white lines then he is behind times and needs to re reads the book. Changes which benefit our safety are made from issue to issue but they don't point out those changes so many changesthat would be of benefit to us are lost as they are not recognised.

I have returned to this vid a few times. There is no replacement for experience, but awareness of dangers may keep me alive longer. I look forward to the time when you are back n the road, and hopefully you will give us some more commentated rides. They are so useful to less experienced riders. For me, it shows that I am not alone in being worried in certain situations, and that there is a safe way to deal with them - or how to avoid them. Thank you for this video, please make more. With KZread, riders no longer have to learn from their mistakes, and your info may help keep us alive and safe. Happy New Year to you and Toby.

@RiderCamTV

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Jim, thanks for the kind words.. Can't wait till we can both get back out there and ride more again... it's like having your arm cut off! happy new year to you too and ride safe

Thanks guys Making my kids watch your videos as they are going for their licences. Awesome all the best.

@RiderCamTV

4 жыл бұрын

thats amazing, thanks for the kind words Craig... Best of luck to them :)

Great training vid, one essential additional safety feature I don't think you mentioned is a sat nav, shows where junctions, bends and straights ahead are, takes away the frustration of being behind slow vehicles in the knowledge that a potential safe overtake is upcoming.

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Jeff, thanks so much for the kind words.... means a lot to us both. And yeah we didnt mention the sat nav and thats a very good point for anticipating whats ahead,...... information information information :)

@judgedredd4945

4 жыл бұрын

Yes but it doesn.t show all the static dangers such as entrances and exits to properties, fields and farm tracks etc or does it.

@sfayers3361

Жыл бұрын

I have just started the IAM Roadsmart training. My observer told me to turn my Sat-Nav off. This surprised me as I find it such a useful tool for additional information gathering.

Your coaching videos are excellent. Thanks so much guys. 👍🏻

I've obviously got an interest in safe riding hence watching this video. I genuinely feel roadcraft is stuck very much in the past. To me eating into your 2 second rule (a definite safety issue) is more riskier than drifting over the speed limit (a potential safety issue). Your bikes are more than powerful enough to execute the overtake from a 2 second rule position. If you suggest otherwise then in your words 'the overtake isn't on'. Safe riding guys!

Agree to all your points. When I mentioned 'Assume you are invisible', I meant what you described so aptly. 'Do not assume that you have been seen'. Thank you for your reply.

Thanks for the video. I recently took the RoSPA in a car and would recommend the Roadcraft book to anyone looking to or that has passed either of the standard tests (car or motorbike) it just adds a bit more to the driving experience in my opinion.

Good info! thanks!!

Thank you for this video! Very instructive and useful!

I've been in those situations many times where a car in front will hit there indicators to say its ok to pass me now. Best advice from me is always ignore them and pass when you think its safe, ill not put my well being or my pride and joy in the hands of a stranger. And riders shouldn't assume they are more qualified then you to decide when its safe for you to pass. Good vids guys always some good tips to pick up

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

Very true indeed. Its always your ride and agree totoally. Thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed it :) Ride Safe

Fantastic blog. Very detailed explanation on something that should be so basic to do and that was not just the overtaking parts, road positioning in general, observation and shoulder checks. Don’t forget to hit the 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 ups.

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

thats so nice of you to say, thanks Ravan Caw. Glad you enjoyed it... Ride Safe :)

Ahhh, Perranporth. Many a good holiday down there! Thanks for the vid guys, appreciate it

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

thanks buddy.. always a great road through Perran :)

Thanks for the great videos, As a relatively new rider I am not ashamed to admit i have still got a lot to learn to smooth out my ride so the videos and the explanations become very useful keep it up guys

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words buddy. We learn every ride. Always good to hear that we are able to help others too. Ride safe :)

Good stuff guys. Keep them coming. They are very useful.

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Mark, thanks so much for the comments, always great to hear people are enjoying them :) Ride Safe :)

As a relatively new rider, this video is great. Really appreciate your work. I had a bike safe course booked, but up in the air due to Covid. Looking forward to getting on a more advanced course to get me blood bike safe ideally. I can put this video in to great practical use. Cheers guys.

Very informative, thanks!

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

thansk Steve

Nice video. Thanks

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

thanks buddy

Good advice thank,s.

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

thansk Kenneth

Thank you for the training video. I'm hoping to emigrate to the UK and will wont to continue riding a bike, so very useful to get training ahead of time.

@RiderCamTV

4 жыл бұрын

glad you enjoyed it Nial.. enjoy the riding when your here :)

@82davidjohnson

4 жыл бұрын

Welcome to England

Great lesson. You guys r due such credit for the content u bring us and the effort & time ,expense involved in all this . Thanks for another great video . Anxious to c some more tour videos too. Hope to b on one of your tours next year .

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

thanks so much Mark, great comments and always lovely to hear as we love to make the videos. Glad you are enjoying them. Hopefully see you on a tour next year :)

At 11.29 had you considered the junction on the left before deciding on the overtake. Your positioning meant that any car at that junction wouldn’t have seen you behind the van had they decided to pull out quickly. Just an observation, not a criticism. It’s easy to feel pressure to catch up with a friend and go for an overtake that could be risky.

@malcellison8831

5 жыл бұрын

Beano I agree. I thought you were supposed to avoid turnings/entrances/exits when doing an overtake. Seemed like a failure of observation to me... We all make mistakes, but it would be nice to see that acknowledged.

@markholroyd5365

5 жыл бұрын

Beano hiya! I agree with your comments however what the camera fails to sow is that the entrance in question is blocked by vehicle that is parked permanently across the road. Perhaps to much local knowledge on this occasion. Thanks for your comments.

@malcellison8831

5 жыл бұрын

Mark Holroyd As you pass, I can see on the video a car stationary in the sideroad/entrance, but there looks like plenty of space (even if that vehicle cannot move) for other vehicles to be parked/manoeuvring/pulling out of that space. Comments?

@markholroyd5365

5 жыл бұрын

M Ellison we could spend ages arguing but because this road is less than 200m from my house please accept I know this road is blocked by that car.

@malcellison8831

5 жыл бұрын

Mark Holroyd I am not arguing, simply discussing an important road safety issue. Did I misunderstand the point of your video? Anyway, I accept that you know your local area. And I presume that you can confirm that there is no risk whatsoever that any other vehicle could ever be in that road, temporarily parked for example?

Hello Gents - we do like observation :D - I know the roads you're using very well as I used to live in Cornwall for many years - I'm sure that you'll know them but the A39 up to the border from Newquay is great fun, some nice overtaking opportunities up through the Allen Valley and a bit of everything along there - the Trerulefoot to Torpoint was always a challenge if you were in a hurry - brilliant road that tests your observational skills and some superb bends - the Glynn Valley was a favourite of mine too - quick overtakes and a fast road - keep up the good work - regards - Dale.

@markholroyd5365

5 жыл бұрын

seaflyfisher Torpoint road and the Glynn Valley are now 50mph due to the amount of accidents many of which have been motorbikes unfortunately and another fatality this weekend in Camelford. Rode safe.

@seaflyfisher

5 жыл бұрын

@@markholroyd5365 - yes it's the same up here - the whole of the Forest is 40'd and lots of roads that were national since Noah was a boy have all been 50 'd - it was a done deal for a bike fatal every bank holiday - just a question of where - good to see what you guys are doing - I'll have to look you up for a coffee when I come back down your way visiting - stay safe too :-)

Great video gent's. Enjoy watching it. Just about to trade in my suzuki bandit 1250s . For a new suzuki dl 250. Luv the bandit but always worried about dropping it as it is a heavy thing. Plus new bike I can get my feet flat on the ground. Hope to have it next week. Keep up the great work and ride safe.

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

Hey James, thanks so much for the kind words. It really does mean a lot to us. We love making the videos and get a little stick from time to time when we make mistakes etc but we love making the videos and riding in general. Ride safe :)

A useful and informative video! Watching from Australia but I guess the main principles are much the same. I will also check out the "Roadcraft" book you mentioned and see if I can order one online. Thanks for the video!

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

thanks for the kind words buddy. Im sure you will be able to get hold of a copy as its available online in various places. A great book which demonstrates a lot helped us with our IAM and RoSPA riding..... oh and made our rides much more fun too :) Ride Safe and enjoy those glorious roads out there :)

Nice and smooth. If you fancy giving me a bit of tuition I'll be seeing you at the end of June for my very first tour abroad 👍

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

The33JAYJAY that must be the Tyrollean and Swiss tour? Mark will be the guide and I’m sure he would be glad to help. Ride safe

Question is guys ?? Do we ALWAYS need to indicate on overtakes, unless "another" road user will benefit, or can it be misinterpreted ? drivers thinking were turning off ? Its just another thing to think about for us, and it runs the risk of signal being left on and again ... misleading others ? Our group only indicate when there's an absolute advantage to give the information out .Normally we exclude the road user we are passing but we do consider others who might have an affect on us ( vehicle threatening to emerge for example) We all aim to produce thinking riders who avoid robotic actions and weigh everything up. Again. The answer always starts with "It depends "... Good stuff chaps !

Over taking I find generally ok for myself , my general positions is good linking bends etc but positions in narrower country roads going from two lanes to one the hardest part for me. !

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

great stuff buddy. Think of the country lanes when they go to one lane as the same just with less movement in the road for the view etc. They are basically the same roads, a little narrower but the same principle applies, maybe at the sacrifice of speed and a little view :) Thanks for taking the time to comment as its always great to have discussion :) Ride Safe

Cracking video… 1 question… is there a requirement to indicate back in to the near side after the overtake???

@RiderCamTV

2 жыл бұрын

Great question and thanks for the kind words. You can always indicate back in but who are you telling you are coming back in? If you need to tell someone by indicating your intention never be afraid to unless it’s misleading, but other than that the Highway Code says you must ride/drive in the left hand lane expects when over taking so will be expected to return. Hope that helps

Was this filmed with the Ghost X you had reviewed awhile back? Thanks...

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

for this one it was on Mark's and he has the DriftHD Ghost 2 :)

@Doug_Morgan

5 жыл бұрын

@@RiderCamTV OK thanks, I had just ordered an X so I was curious. I should arrive in the mail next week so I will see how I like it.

But if you only overtake within the speed limit you will never get past traffic. What I mean is when I over take I use the power of the motorcycle to overtake quickly but safely. So I agree with what you say that you make sure the road is clear etc. But I do the overtake not ridiculously fast but use the power of the bike to do it quickly but safely and get back in you lane.

@RiderCamTV

2 жыл бұрын

the speed limit is an absolute offence with no excuse as to why you are doing it.. you can make progress through and past traffic within any speed limit using IPSGA and patience. Is there really a need to break the speed limit just to get in front of another vehicle only to sit at the speed limit again?

I don't know about the UK Highway code but in NZ if you cross the centerline you need to be indicating, at approximately 6mins 45sec in Toby doesn't look to be doing so.

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

lol, thanks for that, although in the premis of take use give (information) there was no one that would have benefitted from the signal, especially as the junction was very close and could have been confusing to others, so one was not needed here. Although if there were other road users around, it would have been a consideration.... :) Basically in the UK if there is no benefit to signalling there is no need, whether crossing a line or no. Thanks for the comments as its great to see how highway codes differ from country to country ... :)

Mark , good points about the required frequency of shoulder checks. I’m astonished to watch other you tubers (no names) with a helmet mounted camera, but few shoulder checks evident !

@RoadcraftNottingham

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Max, with advanced riding the advanced books state that the features should be considered. For example, when coming to speed signs, if you've been using your mirrors you'll already know what's behind you and even if you haven't, you're not changing direction so if the car in your blind spot IS overtaking or even spinning on fire (slight exaggeration there 😉) it's no danger to you. The whole idea about advanced riding is to use your brain as opposed to being robotic. Hope this helps you understand why a lot of people don't look over their shoulders in straight lines as much as beginner riders.

You know it doesn’t matter how safe you are if someone comes round a bend at night on your side of the road with no lights on so you don’t see them in time , bang you have just had a head on crash , I know because that happened to me and I was riding safe but did not have time to do anything about it. Until you have been in that position you will never understand.

@RiderCamTV

2 жыл бұрын

thanks for the comment, although at night it makes it easier to see things coming, using the information from the road (a corner coming up, lights from the other direction etc etc) so you can plan for what you can reasonably expect to happen, i.e, a car coming towards you, so using IPSGA you can slow down and give your self time and space to allow for the oncoming traffic.

Hi, I've not come across your channel before. Someone pointed me to this video with questions about shoulder checks. Having watched it I have some concerns/questions about the number of shoulder checks and where they are taking place. I'd be interested in your view on this. During an overtake shoulder checking when in the overtaking position (1 second behind as you said in the video) is risky as the vehicle you are about to overtake may lift off the accelerator. If you are going to do one why not do it before moving up and then maintain the rear view with good mirror work? You are not going to be sat there long after all. At the speed limit changes, are they needed? Good, early mirror checks, maintaining that 360 map of what is going on around you in your head, should be enough if done early enough. And you said you must do a left shoulder check coming off a roundabout. Surely it depends on the size of the RAB, what is/was following you and what was in the last entry lane you passed? You mentioned at the beginning that the IAM want you to become a thinking rider, doing shoulder checks as a "must do" at certain places is not doing that.

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Mike, thanks for the comments... There are as you know a lot of people out there that will be new to doing any sort of checks while riding (hence the IAM and RoSPA standpoints). We were in this video pointing out shoulder checks etc to highlight the need for them when manouvering... You are of course right that they are not all needed all the time (depending on what information you are taking using and giving), but this was a demo for people to help them understand some of the principles of overtaking.... I perhaps do more checks that are needed, but i always like to see whats around me and in the instance of the shoulder check you mentioned, for me at this point it was a necessary as lots of people 'gun' it from that corner and there are some shocking overtakes from cars etc. I get your point about the vehicle could change their speed, but as you saw on the video, their driving was very slow indeed and in that van it would suprise my if they actually had an accelerator pedal in it... hahhahaa..... like you said, lots of things depend on the road, size of roundabout and a whole host of other things and its always good to create a discussion, but the one thing that comes from any IAM RoSPA / Advanced ride is the amount of different opinions from a camera view. The must do bit does help new riders to actually do checks as how many time do we see riders not doing them.. if you do them more often then depending on the road conditions etc, you can change when you do they as we frequently do. Again thanks for the comments :) Ride Safe

@mikeroberts

5 жыл бұрын

@@RiderCamTV Thanks for the reply. What "IAM and ROSPA standpoints"? My main concern was the use of 'must' and 'always', when it should be 'consider' or 'think about' (if something will be useful). Viewers take these videos at face value. I was asked if this 'must do' stance with regard to shoulder checks at speed limit changes, etc. is what the IAM actually advocates. Keep safe.

@mrgari189

5 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you raised the point about shoulder checks/lifesavers as you overtake. Doing my IAM now and my observer at the weekend said I would be better off watching the vehicle in front in case they do something unexpected rather than doing a shoulder check (this assumes you have been keeping very good attention to your mirrors and there is nothing behind you). He advised "ask yourself is it necessary?". Having had a bit of a chat with my observer I got the impression the key thing is that you can demonstrate a situational awareness and adapt your shoulder checks etc to suit.....Problem is having done my rider training in the 80s (Star rider courses [pre-CBT], remember them?) and lifesavers were ingrained into you its very difficult to stop lifesavers!

@mikeroberts

5 жыл бұрын

@@mrgari189 - Star Rider. Haven't heard that mentioned in a while. :) The aim is not to stop you doing shoulder checks (most people probably don't do enough), but to do them at appropriate times and only when they will be advantageous to you. Other people do the head movement like a robot all over the place, see nothing, and gain no information to act on. Excellent mirror work is also required and the skill is to know what is going on all around you at all times.

@judgedredd49

4 жыл бұрын

@@mikeroberts Hi MIke me again. What about thinking about not getting into a more dangerous situation known as TAILGATING which just happens to be an offence under S3 RTA 1960, Just by moving from the safer 2 second gap to a closer 1 second gap, then if no overtake is entered into having to slow and return to the safer 2 second OR MORE following on or should I say safe stopping distance. Therefore staying the full 2 seconds OR MORE behind the vehicle in front, not overtaking it at higher speeds but staying bhind with safety as one isn't committed to being on the wrong, or should I say other side of the road at all.

The police and the Highway Code do say that its at least a 2 second position when following someone and if you look closely at that you will see that at higher speeds ie. over 40 mph the recommended distances relative to the speeds are indeed all above 2 seconds. Further to that, Police Roadcraft tell us at least 100 times throughout their training manual that at all times 'one must be in a position to be able to stop in the distance seen to be clear and on ones own side of the road'. That is golden rule number 2. Golden rule number one is that 'one should never ever sacrifice safety for the sake of any other consideration'. Why then is it that the 'more than the 2 second rule' and rule number 'one' are always and totally broken if one is recommended and advising a rider to no longer adhere to that safe distance of being at least 2 second behind the vehicle to be overtaken. To be only about 1 second behind in order that one can then finalise and fulfill all the requirements of a 3 stage overtake. It seems to me that the Police are actually recommending and supporting an offence in law. One that is considerably more dangerous than the positions 1 and 5 that have been removed from their publications as they were previously recommended in their Manual. They have been removed and I can only presume that they are nowadays considered to be too dangerous for ordinary members of the public..

@rcraven1013

11 ай бұрын

Then you say that if an overtake is not on then one should pull back into the safer following on position and await another opportunity to shall we say Tailgating position.. Roadcraft however does say that if at any time if the overtake is not followed through then one can fall back into the 'following on' position or back into the 'overtake position' So it does appear that according to the police you can return to that much closer position or full back into the safer 'following' position.Then the choice is yours and that you can remain their as long as you like and overtake later when an opportunity arises or you can fall back at any time into the much safer full following distance.

To me the laws need changing, as you cannot be expected to overtake doing 60.mph. when I say this believe me I'm not a heavy right hand man. I drive careful and do not overtake where junctions are etc. You can have a car in front doing 58mph and if you want to overtake there is no way you chug past doing 60mph!! That would be lunacy!! Good vid but feel some points were missed ie the last point. Just subbed you chaps ps did you buy the new gs 1250 or are you borrowing the bike? Atb Colin

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

By using Advanced Motorcycle principles an overtake at 60mph is perfectly safe as long as you use planning and observations. As for following a car doing 58mph I would say 2mph would make little difference but if you dropped back a bit you will be able to look for overtaking opportunities. Have a look at Roadcraft and perhaps sign up for a ‘taster’ session with your nearest RoSPA or IAM group. You may be surprised. Ride safe.

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

just realised we didnt answer the q about the bikes. We both have 1200's but the last ones before the 1250 launched.... great great bikes :)

Hi Guys, you know I like your vids and I try and give positive feedback. You seriously need to speed up a bit.. I’m not saying crazy 3 figure speeds, but you have ace bikes with loads of power - use a bit of it. I have the same bike and floating around the 5k revs - sweet spot. Brakes as well - I love braking hard into corners.

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

hey buddy, thanks for the kind words, although as you can see in the video we are on the road and the limits are not great in the area we live so we do try.

@seaflyfisher

5 жыл бұрын

Hi GS - I hope that the guys won't mind me jumping in here but when you post these videos online, it looks unprofessional to be exceeding the speed limits and encouraging others by demonstrating it - some of the audience here are impressionable novices - if you are commentating, its pointless to be at high speed as you won't have time to do anything other than the briefest of comments before you gone past things and on to the next one - the system and practicalities of motorcycle control and positioning are the same whether you are doing forty or a hundred and forty - a majority of the people on here that demonstrate supposedly "advanced riding" look to demonstrate good practice and encourage riders to get the basics right first and safely improve from there - what the viewers do with the information afterwards is up to them but these channels are generally hoping to encourage a better standard of riding and in turn, road safety. Stay safe and enjoy your bike - regards Dale

@gsmad9738

5 жыл бұрын

Hi, we’re all on the same page here, and I’ve never suggested breaking any speed limit. I do think it looks a better ride when you get to the speed limit (if safe to do so), rather than riding lower than the speed limit.

@markholroyd5365

5 жыл бұрын

seaflyfisher Thanks for the comments I fully agree with you.

@markholroyd5365

5 жыл бұрын

GS Mad These roads are as you can see narrow Cornish roads and the speeds we are riding at are safe for these roads a d in accordance with IAM and RoSPA principles. Thanks for the comments.

Never rely on anyone else on the road making your manoeuvre safe.

You didn’t explain 2 and 3 stage overtakes?

@krytenLister

5 жыл бұрын

See the IAM\ROSPA for more information .... ;-)

@anton5749

5 жыл бұрын

Kryten L no prob I’m an IAM member.

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

thats another video, we were talking about some of the principles of overtaking making a safer ride.

Hmmmm. Crossing hatched lines during the van overtake? Didn't see left signal coming off roundabout. "Looked behind, moved out, signalled???". Just saying....

@swartgevaar5794

5 жыл бұрын

As that hatched area was not bordered by a solid line it is perfectly legal to move into it "if it is safe and necessary to do so". Roadcraft states that you only indicate if it is of benefit to other road users. That does make me disagree to a certain extent with Mark's indicating prior to an overtake if there is no other road users behind him (Other than when Toby was being treated as following traffic - in which case fair enough).

@MurdoCamp

5 жыл бұрын

I do take your points, but my issue with the hatches is one of encouragement in a public video of inexperienced riders to enter sections of the road which are invariably grit-laden. Hatches also tend to have fresher paint markings (because the bulk of traffic do not cross them) which should be avoided in wet weather, again bearing inexperience in mind, and also with regard to worn tyres. We know the consequences. I believe the white van entering the roundabout would have benefitted from an indication of your intentions. 95% of your video was excellent, so keep up the good work. 👍

@swartgevaar5794

5 жыл бұрын

@@MurdoCamp just to be clear I'm just another channel subscriber - I have no part in the making of these videos! However as a RoSPA tutor I do have an interest in content like this. The points you raise above are all valid however, in all fairness I think that Mark did state on quite a few occasions that he was demonstrating advanced techniques.

@MurdoCamp

5 жыл бұрын

Hi swart Gevaar. HaHa....I thought I was speaking to the rider. He does a good job. Maybe I'm just a bit too OCD with some aspects of my motorcycling. Passed my IAM / Roadcraft test in 1977, and I've ridden to its recommendations ever since. Progress is key! Keep training the newbies, and keep safe!

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

thanks for the comments. great points there and i think they have been answered below. Always great to have comments and discussion points :) Ride Safe

S.L.A.P questions Is it Safe ? Is it Legal ? Anything to Achieve ? Perception ? (Will we Piss anyone off ?)

*** A DANGEROUS SCENARIO**** Some of the principles you are using are not strictly the safest in my opinion. The idea of staying to the left of the lane isn't in reality the best position to be in on slightly right bending roads for these reasons: 1. The road surface is usually in worse condition and loose material tends to accumulate there making it potentially more dangerous. 2. The most immediate danger (especially in this video) generally is something emerging very quickly from the left hand side hedge (eg an animal or rambler), or a driveway or opening (eg a vehicle, pedestrian or cyclist). When there is no pavement this situation is even more dangerous because there is no space at all for anything emerging from the left to safely pause in, so you would impact with it without any time to avoid it; so driving far to the left of the lane is much more dangerous when there is no pavement!! 3. A vehicle emerging ahead from your left is less likely to actually see you because you'll be tucked into the hedge at the side of the lane and the emerging driver will be looking/glancing up the middle of the road lane to his/her right and probably looking for larger things too, cars lorries etc. You also cannot see them as quickly as when driving in the middle of your lane either. 4. If you drive to the left of any lane on any road at any speed at any time.....the impatient drivers behind you will see it as a chance to try and push past or over take, even if it is not safe to do so! By occupying the middle of your lane you deter the vehicles behind from getting too close. Command your piece of road space. In conclusion and from 35 years of experience, rather than getting a fractionally better view of the bending road ahead, go fractionally SLOWER and position yourself more into the centre of your lane. This achieves the same result but quite a bit more safely for the reasons given. The most important rule is BE SEEN because you, as a good rider, are most at risk of being hurt by being in a collision with someone or something NOT seeing you or expecting you! BTW, the 11 mins :30 sec overtake was a brilliant example of a poor and dangerous overtake because you committed yourself, despite a hidden side turning entrance on the left hand side just ahead of the van you were overtaking. You should have pulled out into the other lane to get a better view ahead BEFORE committing to that overtaking maneuver. That's exactly how head-on accidents happen. Scenario....... A car in that hidden turning looks right and sees a slow moving van approaching. He wants to turn right so he quickly pulls out in front of the van and turns right, crossing the van's path directly in front of it because he thinks he can just make it out in time ..... RESULT>>>>You now have a head on with that emerging car as you overtake the van! To you it seems to have appeared from nowhere whilst you you find yourself accelerating straight at it! The fact was that the van obscured your view of the road situation ahead and also the emerging driver's view of you. YOU COULD NOT SEE HIM AND HE COULD NOT SEE YOU!...... BANG!..... Another pointless death because of a poor decision. The most dangerous overtakes are of larger vehicles because of exactly that. YOU CANNOT SEE THROUGH THEM OR AROUND THEM .......

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks for the comments. always good to get a discussion going... as for the emerging from the left that makes total sense, although what the camera does not show very well is the distance from the junction on the overtake (its quite a way away) and the advantage of being higher up is that you can see over the hedge for possible dangers. Also as the overtake was planned at the corner and could see both sides of the van from the change in position, and also right through the bend there was no issue. there was also no road from the left to have any possible vehicle emerging and was a safe overtake. As for the second overtake the road on the left hand side was in-fact a car parked for sale in the hedge and presented no danger. Before the overtake the rider was able to see first on the nearside and then through the bend before the manoeuvre. Always great to have a discussion but disagree that either of the overtakes in this video were dangerous at all. After all if an overtake is not 100% on it is 100% off.

@theeventhorizon-valebridge9512

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your thoughts but I suggest your try to digest all of my comments I'm making from start to finish ......... I think outside the box by personality, from vital experience and not from just doing it by the training manual! That manual is not fool proof and is partly designed for driving faster, relatively more safely....Think about that statement! Use it as a guide and not the always absolute.... I want to save lives and stop accidents....... Your overtake was a good example of what initially appeared to be safe but wasn't. The overtake at 11:25 was just before a "hidden" to the left side entrance so all appeared good to make the overtake maneuver until you actually accelerated out into the other lane. At 11.30 you should have delayed the actual overtake because of the "now visible" side entrance. NEVER overtake past a junction of any type on either side of the road! You should have pulled out but remained there just behind the van in the other lane BEFORE fully accelerating in case you needed to dart back in behind the van, you committed too soon! Before you'd gone past the van at 11:30 the entrance to the left was clearly visible (if you'd been looking for it!) PAUSE the video. The scenario I previously described in my other message could have happened and an impatient driver could have suddenly emerged in front of you! I also think that because you were following a colleague who'd already overtaken, this may have hurried you into the prematurely committed overtaking decision. Another fact to cherish; bikers in groups cause themselves to hurry in to decisions in order to stay in a group! You have to drive expecting all of the improbable scenarios because one day, just one day it might happen....and you'll be ready for it and expecting it when it does. Thinking like this has saved me dozens of times from highly unlikely scenarios! All the best, stay safe and we are all always learning! Kindest regards, Julian

@capt.nandhakumar2009

10 ай бұрын

Hi Julian, that was lengthy. And re read a couple of times. I disagree that being seen is the most important. How do we determine that we have been seen? My most important rule is positioning myself where I can see furthest up the road. Secondly, where best I can seen, and, Thirdly, observing the 2 sec following rule while on first rule.

@capt.nandhakumar2009

10 ай бұрын

Did not complete and hit the send button. My apologies. Ride as if one is invisible, assume that every road user is an idiot, including my wife 😂😂😂, and exercising speed differential/ relative speed not exceeding 30% (roughly) of vehicle being overtaken has kept my hide intact.😊

@theeventhorizon-valebridge9512

10 ай бұрын

@@capt.nandhakumar2009 Your reply is welcome, thank you. As you know there are many rules/guidelines to bear in mind. Situational awareness is paramount. Virtually every road scenario is different, even when on the same piece of road or on the same journey made time and time again. Making other drivers aware of your presence is critical to YOUR safety. Do not under estimate just how critical. You seem to presume that if you're invisible you can successfully out manoeuvre any car, lorry animal, human etc that puts you in harms way. This is dangerously naive and a misplaced conclusion!! If you have ever played the 1970s computer game Asteriods you might understand. Dodging random objects around you, even if they move in predictably straight lines proves near impossible, especially as they become more numerous. You ALWAYS end up destroyed! Now add that scenario to the roads, but with objects NOT moving in predictable straight lines! Whether you realise it or not, your life on a motorcycle depends on others avoiding hitting you. You avoiding them only helps you to a point! We both realise everyone else on the roads is an idiot. Think about that statement for moment. ... It implies they put you in danger. Do they do it on purpose? Do they pull across your path, drive directly at you, deliberately indicate the wrong way to try and kill you? No. The main reason that they put your life in danger is because they, for what ever reason, were not properly aware of you or your intention. The MORE they are aware of you the safer you'll be. ****It is their instinctive response to avoid you, not to kill you!***** By you being SEEN they can avoid putting you in danger.....mostly! BUT...........ALWAYS ASSUME THEY HAVEN'T SEEN YOU! How do you avoid others? By seeing them! You being seen by others, and not just road users but pedestrians and animals too, is the most critical aspect or road safety. You can make this easier by being VERY visible from in front AND behind. Wear hi-vis over your leathers. Add reflective hi-vis tape to a topbox or panniers, always have your lights on (I think all road bikes are permanently lights on now but they didn't used to be!), road position yourself where others can see you more easily! Overtaking is so dangerous because it is easy for others not to be aware of you, even if you are aware of them! Drive safely. Regards Julian

If I was riding behind on my Superbike my first thought would be are these cops I'm sorry but I disagree why would you buy a Superbike if you were never going to use the power I know the road is not track 15 Grand to do 70 miles why do bikes have a top speed of 180 miles an hour when you can only do 70 are you trying to say you've never gone over my 98 CC 2-stroke topped 80 miles an hour

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

and that my friend is exactly why we all love bikes... there is something for everyone indeed. ride safe

Fell asleep..........

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

Sean Fall dangerous on a bike....

@markholroyd5365

5 жыл бұрын

Why?

This road positioning business doesn't always make sense. At one point you swing to the left approaching a right-hand bend, BUT there was a junction on the left and a building that came right to the edge of the road. To me you should have stayed in the centre of your lane. I think the trouble with the whole "advanced rider" thing,I is you become obliged to dogmatically stick to a set of rules which cannot possibly apply to every situation. Techniques developed for emergency vehicles at high speed are not necessarily ideal for the normal everyday rider.

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

Makes total sense fortunately as there was nothing in the junction or could not be as the rider could see over the hedge so clear that there were to be no hazzards. Advanced riding can always be scrutinised but not always with the benefit of the view from the helmet and of course we could all make mistakes and are all always learning too

@davidallton8074

5 жыл бұрын

In addition, the road positioning on Advanced courses, is only a guide, the main thing is to become a thinking rider, where you always use IPSGA for each scenario.

I do not think it was appropriate too overtake the white van when you did you couldn't possibly see sufficiently around the right hand bend until the road had straitened ,

@mrgari189

5 жыл бұрын

colin clewley the field of view from a video camera is different is from natural vision so I think it’s very difficult to judge from a KZread video just how much he can see....

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comments Colin. The view was far down the road past the junction and beyond. The camera makes it difficult to see that but there was lots and lots of view with nothing coming so was perfectly safe. Not forgetting the height advantage of the bike to see that view as well. Thanks for the comments though as always good to discuss but definately a lot of view there and more than an adequate one. wouldnt have put it in the video if there was any doubt.

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

thanks buddy, you are right and as i put in response to Colin, more than enough view right down the road but the camera never does it justice :(

@sanclewphotographic

5 жыл бұрын

This was not a criticism just. an observation, I watch all your videos and learn a lot about how too ride and keep safe. Thanks

@sanclewphotographic

5 жыл бұрын

@@mrgari189 With respect I no all about videos and stills images I am a photographer and my hobby is Motorcycling. regards.

Oh dear, you have woke up the pipe and slippers brigade. "What's the only sign you can tell what it is in any conditions in the UK" .. If that was your observation application, good luck. People forget the road craft book was written a long time ago, it's good but it's a guide it's not a feckin bible. I completed my IAM 10+ years ago it's a great model for riding a bike safely however it can't beat experience and common sense of your own existence on a bike. Ten pence worth of knowledge: drive just to the left of the greasy strip in the middle of the road, in winter when it's icey drive on the strip. Make sure you have good tyres and brakes. Be nice to other road users, ying and yang.

@RiderCamTV

5 жыл бұрын

hahahaham, the pipe and slipper brigade lol. Always good to practice riding and what ever you do, there is always another opinion which is great and helps riders to improve and ultimately be safe on the road which has to be a good thing. If your riding works for you thats fab and as you say experience is a great asset. Ride safe and thanks for the comments :)

@digger8180

5 жыл бұрын

@@RiderCamTV Thanks for the reply. My intention was not to infuriate or implied disregard for the IAM, the total opposite. It is a fantastic organisation that imparts real world knowledge on the motorcyclist. My point perhaps not put across correctly was that times have changed, the roads have changed and car drivers have changed, technology has changed since I passed my IAM, perhaps I should resit. I ride year round almost every day of the year up in Scotland, my bike is my transport. You get the start of the skills from the IAM, you build the rest up through practice, no not practice necessity.

@davidallton8074

5 жыл бұрын

As a thinking rider, why do shoulder checks on down speed transitions? If something is overtaking as you enter a lower speed zone, then that’s not impacting you. Also, I note, that you move away from heavies, but not cars. These are not criticisms but differences I see.

@RoadcraftNottingham

5 жыл бұрын

@@digger8180 Hi Digger, with regard to bringing thinking up to date, the "sump line" isn't the greasy line it used to be in the 70s and 80s. Often, position 2 is grippier due to being less worn and there are less pot holes there. If you do see gravel which isn't as common as people think, simply change direction. Each situation should be judged on its own merits.

"Always look into a junction as you go past it" Why? I prefer to check a junction on approach to see if there is any danger not when I have arrived at it. If there is an approaching vehicle as you go past it then so what, it is history as it is no longer a danger to you. Some of your comments are very dogmatic and rigid, the system is there to be applied in a flexible manner rather than in a robotic fashion.

@markholroyd5365

5 жыл бұрын

Mike Harbon its a play on words. Looking at a junction on approach may have been a better explanation. As for being dogmatic and robotic its hard to explain flexible and then demonstrate it. Thanks for the comments.

What do all these have to do advanced riding? What is actially advanced riding? This is just riding a bike and overtaking a vehicle. This is over exagarated! Dont know why...