Solving Your Aftertreatment System Headaches

Автокөліктер мен көлік құралдары

This is a recording of a live webinar that took place on Tuesday, January 21st, 2020. Stay tuned for a blog post summarizing the webinar too!
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  • @GTIwarrior
    @GTIwarrior Жыл бұрын

    Way to time share it guys! The opening made it sound like I was gonna learn something. Instead I heard sales pitches from two of your buddies.

  • @shanra4764
    @shanra4764 Жыл бұрын

    On one truck I just spend $5200 on DEF issue repair, $ 980 tow, $1415 road call..... This is common when it comes to the DEF system. Thanks for this video this will help reduce cost. BTW, spend $10k two years ago on DEF system on this same truck!

  • @clintonkirker5154
    @clintonkirker51542 жыл бұрын

    Had my dpf cleaned in el centro ca. Took 2 days and total cost was under $600.

  • @krismilligan5117
    @krismilligan51177 ай бұрын

    Great podcast, learned some things and am interested in going to one of your classes on after treatment since it's what I mainly deal with on Mack MRs.. perhaps you could host a class nearby in Denver, CO.. That would be nice, the Rocky Mountain region is needing this training..

  • @michealcobb1564
    @michealcobb15642 жыл бұрын

    I wouldn't use the diesel force cleaning ever again caused more emissions problems. Just plugged the doc and dpf on my truck

  • @ivymedina8542
    @ivymedina8542 Жыл бұрын

    Best 👌 explained 💯❤💯💯🙏🙏🙏

  • @sukhs1317
    @sukhs13172 жыл бұрын

    What is HPK levels. I was told it should not be higher than 3 points if its over then truck will have bad fuel mileage. Is it related to EGR or DPF system?

  • @truckingwithcliff
    @truckingwithcliff Жыл бұрын

    It's called delete

  • @charleysgarage
    @charleysgarage Жыл бұрын

    Nice info.

  • @joberpup
    @joberpup2 жыл бұрын

    I’m from Irmo. North side unincorporated by Ascot

  • @garlandmeredith2039
    @garlandmeredith2039 Жыл бұрын

    Can a clogged back pressure sensor cause a p2002 code. This sensor sits at 127kpa at idle which seems high.

  • @darylhawkins4658
    @darylhawkins46582 жыл бұрын

    Great video. I learned allot. Is there someone available to answer Mitsubishi Fuso Canter related questions? Mitsubishi is pulling out of the North America and their service network is shrinking.

  • @DieselLaptops

    @DieselLaptops

    2 жыл бұрын

    We offer a monthly Virtual Diesel Technician service that you can use to get repair info, advice, etc... www.diesellaptops.com/pages/virtual-diesel-technician

  • @Kevinskywest1
    @Kevinskywest12 жыл бұрын

    Very thorough. Thanks

  • @jermainegreen9672
    @jermainegreen96722 жыл бұрын

    Is your training class in Columbus Ohio?

  • @kevinjb32
    @kevinjb322 жыл бұрын

    Wondering if you would travel to Florida for training for fleet mechanics, we work mostly on mp7 and MP8 motors and Cummins

  • @DieselLaptops

    @DieselLaptops

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, we do onsite training. Please see here: training.diesellaptops.com/blogs/news/texa-field-training

  • @Jon-O.
    @Jon-O.2 жыл бұрын

    What about maintaining and cleanings on the pick-ups Omg the egr is literally plugging up my intake manifold on the 6.7 cummins cylinder head.

  • @TaurusTheCreator

    @TaurusTheCreator

    Жыл бұрын

    That's just a Cummins thing. They're notorious for it, specially for city/stop and go traffic.

  • @evanbartley6725
    @evanbartley67254 жыл бұрын

    Great video... Question, how often would Diesel Force recommend using the ultimate 11 fuel treatment along with the engine injection cleaners? Thx

  • @DieselLaptops

    @DieselLaptops

    4 жыл бұрын

    From Diesel Force: "Our experiences in the last ten years, since ULSD, demonstrate that fuel quality is inconsistent across the country and having your guard up at all times is the best prescription. Ideally, you’d want to run Ultimate 11 with every tank. It contains the two injector cleaners as well, so all bases would be covered. At the same time, we realize not everyone is going to be able to do that for one reason or another. With that, I’d recommend running both products at least every third tank of fuel. Operational efficiencies will go down and aftertreatment will bear more of the load in the part-time scenario, but any treatment is better than no treatment these days."

  • @matthewweum301
    @matthewweum3013 жыл бұрын

    I have a shop in Mesa Az. These products look great. A few questions 1: Are these paid advertisements? 2: Or do you guys just believe in these products whole heartedly. 3: Or both are true? Just kinda curious how you came about them.

  • @SteveHoke

    @SteveHoke

    3 жыл бұрын

    Matthew, This was a information webinar that Diesel Laptops had. I was on it to discuss options for aftertreatment. If you would like more info on Redline Emissions Products or Filtertherm dpf cleaning equipment please send me an email at steveh@des.direct

  • @Mr201izzy
    @Mr201izzy2 жыл бұрын

    New jersey is scarce with DPF Techs like you guys.

  • @Jerzeyguy

    @Jerzeyguy

    2 жыл бұрын

    Liberty Kenworth is excellent

  • @garlandmeredith2039
    @garlandmeredith2039 Жыл бұрын

    Anyone know about using oil separators on diesel trucks. I noticed you guys mentioned turbo overspool causing the dpf to clog up quicker which is what I seem to be getting. I have a P2002 code. When running the regen I see the build up to 25-40% inferred soot load only after maybe a week of driving. It’s a very well maintained truck in terms of fluids and filters. I added the oil separator inline with the factory ccv. What’s got me wondering is your comment about oil in the charge tube/cooler. I have been hearing what I understand to be overspool and interesting enough I smell oil vapors since installing this mishimoto oil separator. Any thoughts on this?

  • @DieselLaptops

    @DieselLaptops

    Жыл бұрын

    Anytime excess oil is introduced into the charge air system either via crankcase ventilation system or by other means such as ring blowby, the engine will produce excess soot and the aftertreatment system will be taxed harder. With excessive amounts the DPF will clog prematurely and can reduce overall efficiency of the system.

  • @garlandmeredith2039

    @garlandmeredith2039

    Жыл бұрын

    @@DieselLaptops thank you guys very much for the knowledge in the video. I checked oil level and it was high which I believe is from the smaller replacement filter I got from Amsoil during the shortages. Would a 1/2 quart to a full quart be enough to cause this issue. This particular change to my truck came right before this issue by say 2-3 months. That amount of overfill, the time it took (if that’s the issue) to set a dtc, and the amount of inferred soot I saw it build up on a city drive imo would coincide with everything you guys said. I ran a regen and got then dpf back to zero but noticed it accumulated I think 6.5-8% in 30min or slightly less, based on all the timing of events including how long the dtc takes to set seem to point this way, I’m just not Informed enough to know how much a 1/2 quart alters a 2020 power stroke. I can say Upon taking out just over a quart it went from above the 2 lines for the fill range to just below it.

  • @DieselLaptops

    @DieselLaptops

    Жыл бұрын

    @@garlandmeredith2039 P2002 code (You can look these up for free at repair.diesellaptops.com) is basically saying your DPF isn't operating properly, which you of course seeing if your soot load is getting that high that quickly. I'd pull the intake pipe off the turbo and see if you have oil. Alternatively, take the DPF off and have it cleaned and inspected. If the substrate is damaged, plugged, or leaking it will cause that code and symptoms.

  • @josemorales654
    @josemorales654 Жыл бұрын

    DEF fluid it's more of a problem with plastic containers all over truck stops or end up in city trash or trash facility o and you the way it's 70% water

  • @garlandmeredith2039
    @garlandmeredith2039 Жыл бұрын

    Can a decrease in def usage cause dpf efficiency issues? This truck had 7 months exposure to -20 to -40 at night always wind and usually 10 during day with windchill under 0 so never above the devs freezing temps. Truck stayed plugged in outside. The oil level talked about below did change the frequency between regens from 230km to 580km yet p2002 still comes up. Def usage has drastically decreased. I use it daily and had lots of idle. Problem occurred right after the winter 2022 and light came on around September so 4 months later. Banks banks cold air and some boost tubes which don’t seem to have residue traveling down them. My concern is crystallization somewhere and the pcm can’t get code for the actual problem. I’ve visually inspected the DOC back to the DPF for cracks which is last on the 6.7 fords and the doses which doesn’t appear to be doing shit although I will run an ohm test to validate. First thought upon pulling it off was when was this used last. It looks as if it’s been heated while not spraying and not the other way around. Can PCV/CCV affect dpf even if not clogged. Like if some crankcase pressure was leaking or vented to atmosphere would that be an issue? When and how is def use, Starr up, idle, city/highway driving, and regens? My understanding is that it is a constant thing. I’ve been watching the NOx sensors and for most part they are within 50-100 ppm of each other though they do rise up and down on the up stream sensor. The CEL doesn’t seem to trigger until highway driving occurs and it’s quickly within 15-25 miles. The pump seems to pressurize the line to 500 kpa or 72psi and then commanded pump is 49.08%. The dosing injector seems to come on and off once warm and its duty cycle is 49.84% so slightly higher than the commanded pump pressure. The dozer seemed to go on maybe half the time albit idle or driving. Injector amounts were al equal ranging from 9.6mg to 12.2mg. Lower side as truck warmed up. The compensation was all with in a half a point of each other +/-.

  • @DieselLaptops

    @DieselLaptops

    Жыл бұрын

    Hello, sorry to hear your having issues, that is quite a bit to unpack but to answer a few of your questions, DEF usage is not usually a direct correlation to dpf efficiency as they are mostly independent of each other. Colder temperatures would most likely show less DEF usage due to the exhaust needing to heat up to operating temperature before proper dosing can occur. Most common causes of DPF efficiency codes are dosing injector and spray pattern issues, low efficiency of the DOC, or other air/fueling issues related upstream. It sounds like you have done quite a bit of diagnosis on the unit already. If you’d like to talk directly one on one with one of our aftertreatment trainers feel free to visit one of our aftertreatment webinars or in-person training courses. Thanks and good luck tracking down your issue!

  • @garlandmeredith2039

    @garlandmeredith2039

    Жыл бұрын

    @@DieselLaptops hey no worries, between you guys the oil testing and my own work I be,I’ve I ran the issue down to the mishomoto oil catch can I installed in conjunction with the factory ccv box. Spoke to mishimoto and they say they were not aware of the other ccv box variants for the 2017-2022 range trucks though I find that hard to believe since researching it immediately yields talks of the ccv, issues, mods for it etc and it didn’t take long for me to stumble on the information of other variants existence. Either way the product caused oil to build up and leak everywhere along ccv tube as well as on turbo outlet on the stressed side of the hose if you know what I mean. The silicone coupler doesn’t come perfectly off the turbo outlet the way it’s pointing. None the less, I removed their configuration and back to stock and all oil vapors ceased, soot numbers inferred are climbing slower. The intake tract also looked much wetter than before the install. Not sure on how all the oil condensated in all the places it did but my thoughts are their design of placing a plate with a 1/2 inch hole on side diverting air 90 degrees into the hose over a 2 inch hole isn’t the best idea. I realize it may not be excessive pressure coming out of the valve covers but ford designed a 2 inch hole with a 2inch ccv port plugged into it straight not bent and then we neck it down to 1/2 inch in a 90. Configuration with no smooth transition for air. I call bs on that after my 6 months of hell tracking this down. Ide love to share the experience and talk with you guys. Lemme figure how to do it and I will see you guys on the next one. I don’t do sm so it’s been a while haha.

  • @kellykolnes1954
    @kellykolnes19542 жыл бұрын

    I drove a truck with a c15 cat and she got 8.58 mpg . I guess the guy that had it went to nti and did a little work on her for power. Power = fuel economy kids

  • @ozzmanislord5724
    @ozzmanislord57243 жыл бұрын

    what can cause an scr to clog

  • @SteveHoke

    @SteveHoke

    3 жыл бұрын

    The main cause is a bad doser or nozzle spraying to much DEF into scr.

  • @paulpuretz1388
    @paulpuretz13882 жыл бұрын

    Just delete the dam system

  • @lionheart7431
    @lionheart7431 Жыл бұрын

    This system has put many people out of business

  • @garlandmeredith2039
    @garlandmeredith2039 Жыл бұрын

    70k on a 20 powerstroke

  • @user-vr5cg9yp9m
    @user-vr5cg9yp9m5 ай бұрын

    Bought one ,it doesn’t work to force regen on paccar mx13 like they say ! It didn’t work for me 👎

  • @DieselLaptops

    @DieselLaptops

    5 ай бұрын

    Friend, either the truck has issues that prevents the regen or your doing something wrong. We have dozens of different tools and they all do regens when the truck conditions are met. Please contact our technical support department for assistance -- www.diesellaptops.com/pages/support

  • @blackericdenice
    @blackericdenice2 жыл бұрын

    15:20 what does burning oil has to do with turbo over speed?

  • @garlandmeredith2039

    @garlandmeredith2039

    Жыл бұрын

    The turbo is part of the intake this oil is getting on the exterior of the turbine. So you damaging the turbo and DPF at the same time.

  • @garlandmeredith2039

    @garlandmeredith2039

    Жыл бұрын

    The turbo is part of the intake thus oil is getting on the exterior of the turbine. So you damaging the turbo and DPF at the same time

  • @blackericdenice

    @blackericdenice

    Жыл бұрын

    @@garlandmeredith2039 You still have not answer my question.

  • @garlandmeredith2039

    @garlandmeredith2039

    Жыл бұрын

    @@blackericdenice it’s living the turbine on the outside. I suggest checking out some videos on turbos to get more insight. Oil on the turbine in combination with a less than new air filter and on/off throttle can all aid in overs pool as the mechanical pats wear. The turbine speed is going to be over 100k at full boost with or with the vgt. There is no brake for the turbine wheel so every pulse of exhaust gives it a spin. Non tuned trucks are slow to respond so the torque doesn’t all come in at once. Turbos are far from self sufficient and have so many driver factors that affect them. Start with the history of turbos then move from there. Aviation will explain. Pre of the dynamics of the turbo and you will see trucks just use a more modern version. There are a lot of physics that take place with the turbos for example your shaft always has pressure from the inlet side and pushes towards the exhaust side. Overspool magnifies this effect and wears the trust bearing out. Vacuum associated with the air intake plays a part in this. You have blow off valves, egr, exhaust brake cross over tubes so every time your on and off throttle the flows of air changes. I don’t think many people know how incredibly hard it is on anything to go on/off throttle. Gail banks has a video on this where they graph internal engine parameters. Even though you don’t feel your head snap back like a race car, you can bet your ass when you command pedal for let’s say anything over 10-15% everything opens up and the turbo starts trying to light as we say. We could go on for days about what leads to each scenario. Oil type, viscosity play a roll. A lot of these high end oil companies use way too much of certain detergents, again Gail banks went to Amsoil’s facility in Wisconsin and does a 4 part series with the technicians and scientist to discuss in depth what’s really happening. To be considered a full synthetic oil you only need 25% synthetic materials to be classified that way. That’s somewhat of a loaded question and the short answer is oil in I take can cause overspool. I’m no tech and thats just a general idea of what’s happening.

  • @blackericdenice

    @blackericdenice

    Жыл бұрын

    @@garlandmeredith2039 I stop reading your comment @ 100k. I'm not wasting my time reading bs. When you know what you are talking about. It don't take a book to explain it.

  • @DavidSmith-ev1bd
    @DavidSmith-ev1bd2 жыл бұрын

    Fk EPA. They'll have to come up with a lot of fines to out weigh the fuel you save not having the garbage.

  • @Arbotm
    @Arbotm2 жыл бұрын

    EPA 10 REQUIRES 80K FULL SENSOR REPLACEMENT.

  • @TaurusTheCreator

    @TaurusTheCreator

    Жыл бұрын

    What? No.

  • @alexbaranya5432
    @alexbaranya54323 жыл бұрын

    More rip off from dealers

  • @afridibrothersdieselworksh3287
    @afridibrothersdieselworksh32874 жыл бұрын

    Hi

  • @TaurusTheCreator
    @TaurusTheCreator Жыл бұрын

    Lol. 600,000 miles for a DPF. Ok.

  • @josemorales654
    @josemorales654 Жыл бұрын

    It all sounds perfect,but in reality if u follow all this bs and ur owner op ull be broke in 1.5 years or 100,000 miles whatever comes first,especially in paccar engines

  • @somebodyelse836
    @somebodyelse836 Жыл бұрын

    Every dpf system fails. Every single one

  • @user-yj6yf7rs7v
    @user-yj6yf7rs7v8 ай бұрын

    Glad to know you’re up epa’s ass. These emission systems have destroyed the reliability of diesel engines. You’re only here to sell your product and more power too you.

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