Most trainers won't show a problem being worked on. Kind of refreshing.

@shenedadenney8649

2 жыл бұрын

Yes!

Your patience is impressive!. Thank you for talking your way through your actions with this horse!

Man you've got patience!!!

Wow, that horse really started acting pretty nasty in the middle and you kept a sense of humor about it. I laughed out loud when you warned the camera man to move. Great work!

@charleswilhelm4632

8 жыл бұрын

+Shay McDowell Thank You! :) You definirtely have to keep your sense of humor when working with horses. They sure keep you humble too! You are never done learning, every day and every horse brings a new lesson to learn.

@gerrycoleman7290

5 жыл бұрын

@@charleswilhelm4632 When a person gets to the point when they stop learning and think they know it all, the horse will give you a reality check.

Groundwork would help quite a bit. If you got a good foundation your horse will ahve less issues. I don't quite know how to fix buddy sour horses yet. A buddy sour horse to me is a horse that'll be fine trail riding as long as another horse is present. Thats mostly due to their herd instinct and I don't blame em'. A horse being barn sour however is possible to fix. I had this mare who was extremely barn sour. And that was because trail rides had never been fun and relaxing for her. And she always got left alone at the barn. So what I did was as soon as she started wanting to go back I let her. Then when we arrived at the barn I worked her there. Then we went back out. I kept repeating this untill she figured out trail riding is less work. I also made sure she had fun. We would go visit ponds, mid trail ride I would get off and walk a bit with her. Now out of all the horses at that barn, she loves trail riding the most.

Melissa, Does your horse rear when you are heading out or coming back? If you are blocking all of the directions, and don't give the horse anywhere to go, they will go up, or if they are backing and you ask for them to go forward they might go up. Horses can move in 6 different directions. Right, left, up, down, back and forward. You must block the directions you don't want them to go in and leave an opening where you do want them to go. You block the directions by use of your rein and leg aids. If the horse is swings around like the one in the video (if you watch the whole TV episode, the horse's feet were starting to come off the ground) they maybe your are being too forceful/demanding with the aids. Just stay with it until finally you make progress. The length of time it will take to overcome, is dependent on how well the horse "learned" the escape route. If you have a severe problem, you may want to seek professional help. Hope that helps.

Thank you

This is exactly what mine is doing now

perhaps groundwork is in order here

Thanks for sharing this so people can see a typical barn sour behavior and how to fix it. I have a rescue Arab mare (never abused just feed neglected) who will just stop at a certain point away from home, and no amount of kicking will send her forward. She will just back and back like that. The only reason she doesn't whip around and toss her head in the air is because she's learned that I will not let her get away with it, so halting or backing is where she's stuck. I will have to get out a crop and see if that motivates her a little more, I've already tried lightly popping her with the rope end, she either doesn't care at all or just hunches up a bit like she wants to kick out at it. She was better when I was working her all the time, rarely showing this behavior, but the attitude comes out when she sits. I'm about fed up!

that is pretty much just like my horse! i got same issues.

My horse acts exactly the same it's dangerous I control it in the same manner keeping her focus changing moving her rear around.when I try to encourage her to move or shift direction with a pop of the whip she bolts or rears. I am using a hack a more on her she responds quickly to it. If it's really bad I dismount and make her work on lunge line I allow rest when she is calm I hope I am right I don't want to make thongs worse. How long should a session be carried out and when is progress achieved. The horses scream at each other it's chaotic

@gerrycoleman7290

5 жыл бұрын

'If it's really bad I dismount..........' In doing so you just told your horse that rearing is the right answer. It can be taken care of long before that situation presents itself..........you must establish yourself as the fair and trusted leader of the 'herd' (you and your horse). Back to the ground work to fill in holes in the training.

but what if your barn sour horse leaves the barn like its nothing and decides to spin on trail out of no where catching you off guard.. LOL.. my filly does this.. she will leave the barn no issues.. we can go far away or close doesn't matter the distance ,but when she wants home she will spin out of blue and pop up quick and buck all in one motion and throws me off.. its shaken my confidence.. any tips..

@gerrycoleman7290

5 жыл бұрын

She does not 'spin on the trail out of no where'................you just missed the warning signs, and therefore were not ready to give her clear directions to prevent it.

Omg! That is just the same thing my horse did for quiet some time (plus rearing, storming and freaking out running like crazy). He was mistreated and abused to the point the people who had him, stab him in the rear leg because he was "making a scene like this"... can you imagine that? Stupid people... So he learned to rebel him self to his handlers; and what did they do? Ride him with harsh bit and an indiscriminating use of spurs and whips... That obviously didn´t work and he was sold and sold and sold, numerous times until he ended up in my hands (a 22 year old woman who had no training on horsemanship), so when I figure that he was a handfull I refused to use those awful tortures and teached myself the natural horsemanship, pressure/release, patience, and horse time... Now he can trail ride with no issues like before... And he is learning to deal with rides to the road and near city... Very proud of him... The just need some time and people who are willing to take out their watch and teach the horse at his pace... Great video.

@ritacasey647

8 жыл бұрын

I think you are so right, I recently purchased a horse from a kill buyer, 16 years old, no history on her, she is well trained and very responsive,loves attention and grooming sessions. but she does resist quite a bit leaving the barn, I have handwalked her away, allowing her to graze, going a bit further each day, she does quite well with this, then riding her at a walk away from the barn, she was doing pretty well following some other horses, minimum resistance: but had to move her to another barn and am now starting over. when I rode her away from the other barn,when she fusses and turns around, I let her go a few steps, turn her around, have her hold still then ask her to go forward, she goes short ways then starts up again,success came in her following the other horses with much encouragement. I am doing the pressure/release, circles, foot work, and have been working her in the ring then getting off and walking her away from the new barn, I haven't yet started riding her away from the new barn, it involves going down a side street about 1/4 mile before getting to the trails. I have hand walked her a few times already, and made it down about 4 houses so far, a few cars have come by and she ignored them so that is good. I am going slow, doing work with her every day, I would welcome any other suggestions. I am doing rein,voice and leg cuing, no crops,no hitting with reins: I want her to listen to me and cooperate. any tips you used would be welcome thank you.

This was more horse exactly...used your techniques and we have come along way...mine used to rear...I see gr threatened to rear.....now I can ride her all over the street trails but still working on her jogging when she encounters horses in front of her on the trail...she is a TWH so very foward... her jig is very lateral very big....

@tracytuiasosopo-kemper8570

5 жыл бұрын

*meant to say my horse exactly... sorry for the misspells

Exactly like my new mare, I do all this and going to add hard work ( ground lunging or riding in serpentines) happens AT the barn- It’s another method I saw used that seemed to work makes The horse WANT to leave the barn

The horse is doing almost exactly what my horse does except mine rears, what would you do differently with a horse that rears?

@saraball3662

5 жыл бұрын

And bucks please

@user-lr9vs1bg8l

4 жыл бұрын

Most likely if your horse is rearing it’s probably because of to much pressure so if u would try a halter or bit less bridle it would be a lot easier to control u would just have to make sure that your firm enough so he won’t just take off with u, and also sometimes they might just need more ground work before riding, like u can lead him while someone’s on his back and just practice getting him away from the barn or a horse. U can also try punishing him when he rears like when a horse rears it’s bc there trying to avoid pressure so if he rears up u can keep holding the pressure until he goes back down and then releasing, but it depends on the horse bc sometimes they can just go crazy and rear on top of u so it would be safer to just turn him in a fast tight circle and then trying again.

@forsooks2057

4 жыл бұрын

I disagree with Best Friend. Horses rear for a lot of reasons: It could be pressure, but most often it's a learned behavior, especially if the horse has reared successfully to get out of work in the past. Rearing can be a scary behavior, and if the rider gives up or falls off because of a rear, a horse learns that it can rear to say "no". If you're at the point where a horse rears, I would suggest bringing in an experienced trainer or going back to groundwork. Do NOT "punish" your horse for rearing unless you want to create a reactionary, explosive animal.

@user-lr9vs1bg8l

4 жыл бұрын

Forsooks I didn’t mean punish as in “hitting” or jerking on the poor horse I meant just don’t release pressure until they stop rearing or turn them in a few circles that’s not going to hurt anything, me and my sister are in the middle of training a crazy rescue mare that rears ever time u turn her pull back or try to get her away from the fence, and we usually just let her rear but if she goes really high we turn her in a few circles or keep the pressure on her halter until she goes back down if we were to do nothing she would never learn, horses learn from the release of pressure everyone knows that.

this is exactly what i don't want to ride through with my horse- is there a different way to work through this issue that doesn't require riding through it?

@kennablack7949

3 жыл бұрын

Groundwork, patience, and rewards. The horses need "yes" moments, and they need to feel like you've got their backs. If all you ever do is punish the undesirable behavior, they learn to shut down and sit still, while internalizing their fears. Reward the behavior that you want to see in a way that your horse will understand. By taking your horse for walks alone, and taking the time to show your horse how to enjoy the experience you can demolish their anxiety entirely.

Belo animal

My horse is fine when we leave to go on a trail ride, but the moment he knows we are close to home he becomes a different horse. He constantly fights his bit and me! I always release when he gives but the moment he feels the release he starts running. I'm not sure how to fix it and it is starting to really frustrate me. Have you ever dealt with a horse that did this? How did you fix it? All I want is to walk home nicely instead of having this constant battle between me and my horse. I want to walk home, and he wants to run home.

@erineldridge717

6 жыл бұрын

Rilie Stender I’m having same issues

@maiyakorn7598

4 жыл бұрын

dont feed or give hay or anything when you get back... no treats no nothing.... makes comming home less exciting. id go as far as to take hay out of the stall too and wait 30 mins before you give it back.

Mine is fine leaving, but if we get somewhere she doesn't want to go she will do everything from going forward, even side pass me into a pond!

@charleswilhelm4632

9 жыл бұрын

Ger Roe Ger, thanks for your comment. Whether you are leaving the barn or already away from the barn, the resistance is the same issue. In either situation, we must be able to control the horse’s feet and thus direction. I suggest you work on teaching your horse to turn on the forehand. Moving the hips will help you regain forwardness when the feet lock up. Also work on your forward cue so that your horse is truly responding to your leg. (Note that if your horse is going forward as in bolting or evading something, that is a brakes issue). When the horse understands the lesson you will have better control on the trail. Best of luck - stay out of those ponds!

@gerrycoleman7290

5 жыл бұрын

Back to the ground work to establish yourself as the leader.

Is this a Pasifino?

@coffeehugger

3 жыл бұрын

Was also wondering.

The horse is backing up cuz that's what he did if you would try to hold him back give him his head and he'll be just fine keep holding back he's going to dance around and act up with you most people are afraid they want a horse to walk slow and do all this I get on and I let him walk out he's a Tennessee Walker that's what he's supposed to do

My horse did something she has never done before, she saw a large dark poop on the trail, and tucked her head tight to her chest and backed up at warp speed, so I relaxed and turned her back to it, around again, she did the same thing then she started spinning like a top faster than I had ever seen her move. I finally called another rider to come up beside her to get her to stop... she did, but she would not go back on trail to go over the poop, each time she backed up at warp speed... and spun. Then on the way back home, she spooked at every leaf and crackle of branch... was quite an exciting ride, but NOT one I wish to repeat. AND this is a horse that has been through years of ground work, many RCMP De-spook clinics, all kinds of horsemanship obstacle courses... I’m hoping this is a one time thing...???

@cwtraining

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for input

@sunshine4evr517

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe there was an ominous smell like blood in the air. Death smell triggers fear sometimes

He threw QUITE the temper tantrum in the middle there, didn't he!

I only notice that the horse is doing what he wants......

It is not a horse problem. It is a people problem.

@charleswilhelm5291

5 жыл бұрын

Gerry Coleman yes your right! Its Never ever horse fault. Thanks for imput

@gerrycoleman7290

5 жыл бұрын

@@charleswilhelm5291 That is a concept that a lot of horse people have trouble understanding. Once they 'get it' , their horsemanship blossoms. New doors of opportunity open.

Kinda a short video for a long fix problem, but yes it all comes down to control. If you don't have all basics and good control in a ring then you definitely won't have it leaving the property. I kinda get amazed as a horse trainer that people who want a trail horse only want them partially trained they say, because they are not going to show the horse. I'm sorry, I want that trail horse probably trained even more than my show horse because you never know what you may run into off property. Also need to take into consideration their environment, like pasture mates and herd status that may be a trigger to them stressing to get back. I had one mare training that was fine while in individual turn out, but turned sour when she was in herd because she was too busy worrying to get back to control the herd. She was a younger mare that was just never happy or settled with her position in the herd either, wanted to be boss and constantly fought for it even if she didn't get it. Taking her away from that actually stopped her from feeling like she had to go back to control them being herd sour.

@charleswilhelm5291

5 жыл бұрын

Michelle Hoyt thanks for input, yes you right all horses need body control, and able to work though issues.

@maiyakorn7598

4 жыл бұрын

thats a good idea!

You get on him then

You should let him go where he wants....work his honey really really hard- in circles fast hard tight circles, move his feat- forwards back left right-, then walk out away and rest....let him go back- work work work...walk out, rest. Repeat. Hell see that his rest and comfort comes away from the barn not at the barn. Also walk him away front the barn, get off, loosen the saddle, and hand walk back.

@charleswilhelm4632

9 жыл бұрын

Samantha Stransky I appreciate the comment, Samantha, and I agree - those are good techniques, and ones that I use. There is certainly more than one way to address the issue - and we have to keep this in mind since every horse is different and a technique that worked for one may not work for another. Thanks for joining the conversation!

@bethk.7372

7 жыл бұрын

Samantha, the problem is that doesn't work on all horses. For a high-strung or insecure horse, that makes things worse. I have an Arab mare and a Paso Fino, and working them harder back at home solves nothing-- they just get more and more worked up and more likely to rear, run backwards, or bolt.. Blocking their escape routes as Charles is doing and simply keeping after them and riding lots of miles works a lot better for a very hot horse.

The reason almost every person has trouble with a horse wanting to go and take off is because they stand in the stall 20 hours out of the day most of the time turn the horse out and let him run you won't have that problem

@charleswilhelm5291

5 жыл бұрын

You do have point! Good turn will definitely help with the attitude and energy level. But not 100 percent and some times take a little motivation for horse to relaxed

@maiyakorn7598

4 жыл бұрын

not always..... this horse was never taught respect for the tack or taught respect for the rider. excersise doesnt always solve behavioral issues. this horse is being a jerk. period.

They need some Clinton Anderson here. Ground work is the solution

@charleswilhelm5291

5 жыл бұрын

Tony Esparza hello Tony, we did a lot ground, in fact im The creator of that exercise that Philosophy of doing ground work first. If you look on Charles Wilhelm tv there is a couple shows of me doing ground work. Check it out

@maiyakorn7598

4 жыл бұрын

ground work can help.... but certain issues cannot be fixed from the ground only

@epona9166

3 жыл бұрын

Ground work, absolutely. Clinton Anderson, no. There are much better trainers out there.

I hate how he kept hitting the horse like that’s just asking for him to rear or spin and freak out.

@forsooks2057

4 жыл бұрын

He's not hurting the horse, he's asking the horse to move away from pressure. The horse isn't "freaked out", the horse is angry that he's not getting his way.

@maiyakorn7598

4 жыл бұрын

horse is being a brat and throwing tantrum because the horse wants to go back to the barn.... the horse didnt want to give him control of his hind end... a flick with the whip isnt abuse...

@epona9166

3 жыл бұрын

He certainly isn't hurting the horse. The flick of the whip may provoke the horse, yes, but he is clearly ready for that. Meanwhile I read it as him as reminding the horse that he isn't giving up.

when i was about seven years old i was riding in the big field we had surrounding the barn. when the horse wanted to go in the barn. we called those horses barn lovers, he took off and bolted in the barn. i bend down so i wouldnt get hurt going in and my father was waiting for her. he took her out of the barn and punched her hard in the mouth and guess what - the horse never did that again.

@user-lr9vs1bg8l

4 жыл бұрын

beverly a well that could have just been an obedient horse bc most likely if u jerk a horse that hard in the mouth that’s just stupid cuz your horse could become very head shy and scared of u, it can also make the horse begin to rear bc if it does that again and he knows he’s about to get punished his instincts would be to immediately jerk his head up and rear or back up fast, it can cause your horse to loose trust and to begin to spook and rear at every little thing, and u should never treat a horse like that anyway, it would be much better to just work with them slowly on that issue to make sure they won’t ever do it again and so your horse still trusts u and knows your not cruel.

Not quiet sure what the rider is doing tbh.

All that horse is getting is stung with the whip, mouth/bit hung on. It has no positive, comfortable experience with the human, no wonder it wants back to the barn! When horses go to some trainers this is the typical treatment they get, what they really need is an owner who will spend valuable ground work/time with the horse. Walk out with it instead of riding for while, enjoy each others company. If you achieve this the horse will take you as pleasant company he can trust and not feel the need to run back to the barn or other horses.

You need to quit riding around the barn hit the trail and I bet he be just fine actually I know he would be just fine he was not meant to ride around the barn and Arena he was meant to hit the trails

@gerrycoleman7290

5 жыл бұрын

Make sure he is properly desensitized to many things before hitting the trails.

@charleswilhelm5291

5 жыл бұрын

Gerry Coleman well all that was done and he need it for sure. Im one of few guys that doing this 30 years ago. We did all ground work, obstacles and he can walk trot and canter in the same arena that Im with that horse now. Folks that didnt have clue about horse, set this horse up to fail. This pony is a by product of the owners and passed it on to other folks. Ive seen this over and over many many times

@gerrycoleman7290

5 жыл бұрын

@@charleswilhelm5291 I hear you. Most any horse can be taught bad lessons by people, and fortunately can be taught the right answers by the person that handles him the most.

@maiyakorn7598

4 жыл бұрын

no... i dont care what the horse wants to do... im the boss... i expect my horse to be fine in the arena or the trail... thats simply allowing the horse to choose the calls.

Life’s too short,sell the horse

I find gaited horses rather unappealing.