Solving flooded courtyard with dewatering sump pumps
Тәжірибелік нұсқаулар және стиль
This courtyard had no drainage whatever and would fill up with water after rain events. We installed three sump basins and piped the gutters directly into them. Three Zoeller M98 sump pumps then pump the water to the parking lot.
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I think your the only one that shows it when it rain....
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
I don't see why that might be. It's my favorite part!
@Verdant02
3 жыл бұрын
@@GCFD You might be one of the few that truly stand behind their work!
@michaelpeck4033
3 жыл бұрын
@@GCFD Ours too!
Nice! Thank you for showing the system during rain!
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
No problem! Although it's more time consuming, I find it very satisfying to see that water gonee.
that "I have no comment about the water hitting the bumper, I have warned them" shot, hilarious!
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
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Niceeee, glad you did the rain shot.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Thanks for watching!
Good work! Post10 would be proud!
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
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@wesworld98
3 жыл бұрын
What a crossover
the rain videos make it worth watching
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
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One of the best water outflows shots! Thanks for another great video. That parking spot will be the last one filled during rain day.
@GCFD
2 жыл бұрын
Haha for sure 👍
@scrunchiiface
2 жыл бұрын
My kids would be occupying that parking spot in their swimsuits!
I like the build. I'd would add unions in the pumps for servicing and more supports on horizontal runs from the roof so it won't say over time. The actual tests are priceless.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Great tip Bob. We didn't install unions because we didn't want the pumps to walk away on their own, given the area.
@bobscott9253
3 жыл бұрын
@@GCFD Wow that's a good call! Now you say that you guys make sure to tighten those bolts everytime too! 🙌🏼
I love sound of that train in the background, you guy's are very hard working thank you.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
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Great job. That should work well for them. Have a great weekend.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
You too!
How many times I mudt have seen this video.. just feels good to see a good job done...
I love how you do your after the job, on the next rain videos!
@GCFD
2 жыл бұрын
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Now that's what i call problem solved. Great work!
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Thanks for watching!
In the UK we dig a big hole ,line it with a permeable membrane then stack plastic crates similar to beer crates,.In the middle or near the bottom you'd put an aerated box with an automatic sump pump. The crates are completely wrapped in the membrane with A layer of stone surrounding to prevent soil getting in.
@ojhawksley
3 жыл бұрын
We'd also have to bury the pipes 600mm deep and limit the outflow rates to prevent overloading the wider drainage system.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
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I remember doing a lot of that type of work when I was 2nd year plumbing apprentice about 1981, I received my master plumbers license 1992. Good job!
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Nice!
I like how you tape your primer and glue together. Great job again.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
An old plumber taught me that. It's a great way to roll.
Definitely a unique situation a little forethought in the building phase would have eliminated this issue. But you sure solved it!! Nice work.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
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Great work. I install underground sprinklers. Very similar idea with the piping
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Justin!
Have you considered possibly putting the pumps on the pedestals that go inside the basins to help allow more sediment to build up before the impeller would get blocked. We did have warranty’s that required yearly inspections, so we were always seeing what not to do from other poor work. I see they are quality Zoller pumps, but I have done many basement and yard jobs that the basins are full of sediment, causing either the pump not to pump when float is tripped, overheating pump if run for way to long, or the switch won’t shut off because the float won’t fall low enough. Just some food for thought.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Great point! These pumps can handle up to 1/2" solids so they pump the debris right out of the basins. They are expensive but they last and work very well. Great comment!
@kevinrenn9123
3 жыл бұрын
I saw that muddy discharge and was wondering if the pumps would get clogged. What do you think about cleaning the gutters, putting screens on top of the gutters and smaller holes/filer/gravel on top sump covers to prevent sediment from entering the system? Not trying to be an armchair quarterback, but these videos really help be understand the trade better
@pauldunecat
2 жыл бұрын
@@kevinrenn9123 I think the muddy water was from the basins overflowing from the gutters before the pumps were activated with the extension cords. The mud was likely loose soil from the hole to install the sump basins. A couple rains and it would likely just be clean water.
I really like the idea of the grated lids. If I were the customer I would have been upset by the concrete dust
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
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Sweet!!! The end was great!!!
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
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Nice, that was great to see them pumping down at the end! If it was light out it would have been a cool timelapse to see the courtyard dry up!
@GCFD
2 жыл бұрын
Good call Neal! I like the timelapse stuff
Excellent videos. Liked them all.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! - Shawn
Awesome!! My new favorite channel!!
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jim! Thanks for your support, Shawn
@jimbeck6093
3 жыл бұрын
@@GCFD gotta support my fellow North Carolinians!!🐺
That water coming out is going to be more of an issue sooner or later, but not your fault the guy put a sidewalk in the original spot
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
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Love waterproofing, been doing it for 3 years now up here in Michigan
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Nice!
Awesome video and job. Love the after video.
@GCFD
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Lloyd
NICE WORK
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
Impressive.
@GCFD
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you B A!
That's a nice system.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! It was a difficult situation, plus they added a sidewalk where we were originally planning to take our pipe and they said we couldn't touch the sidewalk. It had to do with accessibility with the new sidewalk and they didn't want to get in trouble.
Videos are really entertaining.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Thanks for watching, Shawn
Suggest to the owners that they buy spare pumps. This will avoid future water issues when these pumps fail.
You should try Diablo pruning blades for you reciprocating saw if you’re not using them already. Goes through roots really well.
@GCFD
2 жыл бұрын
I have used those and they are wonderful. Thank you!
Nice job.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
Post 10 would be proud of you
@chongjunxiang3002
3 жыл бұрын
Post 10 might hate him if his design ended up create flood instead lol But mostly its municipal fault for not dealing with trash problem and loose leaf.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
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Next time install unions on the discharge pipes on those sump pumps... to make your life easier when you have to pull them for cleaning, replacement, etc.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
We normally install unions. In this case we didn't install them because there are a lot of people around and we didn't want the pumps walking off on their own. I should have mentioned that!
Good job
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
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Nice job, except I would have put a rubber cap on the PVC pipe where the power cord comes out. Just cut an X in the rubber cap, push the power cord through the X and push the rubber cap on to the end of the PVC pipe. Prevents small animals from nesting in the PVC pipe.
So cool 😎
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
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It is incredible how these buildings are constructed with little attention paid to drainage.
Attention to details is what makes the job go well. You guys have that in spades.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Chuck! I am fortunate to have a crew that values doing a good job with everything they touch.
I just wanted to note, when I cut concrete the silica dust gives you cancer. About 3 years ago on the job site we had to wear facemasks, something to think about, and use water to cut back on the dirt
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
We use water when we cut concrete. This worker didn't use it and I wasn't paying attention.
Easy way to wash your intercooler or radiator on the front of your car. You know ole Granny at the retirement center there just needs all the HPs.
@GCFD
2 жыл бұрын
Yep!
Areas like this are the reason I’m looking into buying a 1-1.5 ton mini(micro) excavator.
I think I would have cut the bumper in the middle anchor down each end and have two pieces instead, which would let the water flow through it.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
We thought about that but it was up to the property manager.
Great video. I did a similar job at my first house which had an enclosed courtyard. I often wonder if the new owners have maintained it.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
If they are smart they have! It's a lot easier to maintain than install a new system. 👍
It’s fascinating to see drainage being pumped onto open roads. Here in Kuala Lumpur we would not be allowed to do that. Houses with that build up would require at least 1’x1’x1’ open drains and it would be channeled to the main sewerage at least 3’ deep. Otherwise it would not be able to hold up to 500mm rain per hour 😆
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
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@jamesbh101
2 жыл бұрын
Some countries like Australia it is illegal to put stormwater into the sewer system.
@RamonInNZ
2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesbh101 And New Zealand - we're spending big money separatng the two cntury old systems!
Dang I wish I could do that up here in Canada. Problem is the bitter cold in winter would freeze lines like that. We get lots of water every spring as the snow melts
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Luckily we don't have temperatures like you do!
A little extra work would have got those pipes under the sidewalk with no issues. The concrete you just poured is going to crack and deteriorate
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
The sidewalk was installed recently and had to do with accessibility. We were forbidden to go near it.
With GFI power outlet they can trip from water/power surge have to use them code plus safer ,you need to keep up on it see if it is tripped every so often .
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Great advice! Otherwise it trips and no pumps working.
Great work as always. I'm just curious how you find a group of loyal/hardworking guys willing to do this type of work these days
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
You take exceptionally good care of them, provide lunch, provide an easy-going atmosphere focused on getting the job done correctly and not "saving money" and value their experience and opinion/input. 👍
Great work! well thought out and executed. I watched a couple of videos and one thing you can improve on is your finish concrete patches. They look like they were done without much care. Just a few minutes more work and one of the most visible aspects of the job looks professional. Maybe it's just the 2 videos I watched were the exception.
@GCFD
Жыл бұрын
Thank you Bob! We've been improving the concrete stuff and it makes a big difference, like you said.
@bobcougar77
Жыл бұрын
@@GCFD I'm just a remodeling contractor, not a concrete guy. But one tool I use a lot to match finishes is a tile sponge: I use it early to clean up the spillage and later on to match a texture. I also tend to use "Cement all" (Home depot rapid set concrete) It's a hot mix and has a bit of a learning curve, but it will go from feather finish to 4" and is ready for the final finish in minutes. Cheers man, thanks for the content.
Those pumps are no joke
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
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Over all good work but definitely need to get more practice on the cement work.
@ScottHz
3 жыл бұрын
yeah, silicosis much? :P
@joea2274
3 жыл бұрын
Foot trowel LoL
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
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@bf2695
3 жыл бұрын
@@ScottHz Was wearing ear protection though, he'll be able to hear himself coughing to death..... These guys certainly don't take safety in the workplace seriously. Do good work though
Not sure if it was possible in this situation as I wasn’t there to see everything but I would personally recommend for this one single sump with the lines running into it and directly connect it to the storm drain in the parking lot without a pump. If it needed to go up in elevation is when using pumps works, but try to eliminate any failure points which having pumps adds a few.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with your reasoning! Installing pumps is my absolute last resort because they are a constant expense and maintenance item. The courtyard has a brick wall around it with no fall towards the street. Sometimes you gotta pump that water...
I think if they re-directed they're down spouts to the parking area that problem would have been solved this is just putting a band aid on the actual problem. That sump pump system needs an electrical breaker panel for all of those pumps.
@GCFD
2 жыл бұрын
There was no way to direct the downspouts uphill to the parking lot and through that concrete wall. We would have loved to do that for sure!
Tell the guy priming the pipe a 1/2 " that the whole joint needs to be primed especially on a pump discarge
Who ever parks at that curb is gonna have a terrible day if it rains. That’s a lot of splash discharge.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Yep
Love your videos! Amazing craftsmanship and pride in your work. I wanted to ask, why not plumb all three pumps into one 4” pipe out the curb rather than do them all individually? That way you don’t need to have the required fall? Just let the pump shove it out? I’m Curious haha.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
If any of the check valves failed you'd be pumping water into the other sump basins, including the customer's basement! I like three independent systems so I never have to worry. Great question! 👍
@Eman5697
3 жыл бұрын
@@GCFD awesome! Thanks for the reply, the more you know! Love the videos, keep it up man!
@tyronewilliams2097
2 жыл бұрын
88r
Looks good. Did you check gutters and whether they have screens to keep leaves from all the trees out of the discharge pumps. I know pumps will pump it but that would cut down on discharge waste onto driveway, which could get slippery.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
I don't want screens on anything in these systems. The reason is they never get maintained and eventually clog. Then the whole system is useless. I want the debris to flow into and through the system. The only exception is gutter guard over the gutters.
Awesome video and love how you always go back to the job to see it in action.
@GCFD
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you JW. It's my favorite part seeing the system working.
I was curious when it comes to the perforated catch buckets can any type of soil be compacted on the outside? Wasn't sure if clay would clog the system
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
When we use a perforated catch basin we surround it with several inches of gravel to help keep things flowing.
All the ground water, maybe it would have been better with perforated basins
@GCFD
2 жыл бұрын
This was all surface water and not subsurface water. Since we piped the gutters directly into the basins we went with solid basins with perforated lids.
17:05 It's like the fountains at The Bellagio
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
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any recommendations for installing pumps in cold climates? should i install heat trace to prevent things from icing up?
10/10, 16:50 there may be something to study here as the center discharge seems to be syphoning better than the others.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! That center discharge is coming from the sump basin with two gutters draining into it. I think there was more standing water there for it to continue pumping.
@nberardi103
3 жыл бұрын
@@GCFD and length of discharge pipe. Middle seemed to be a shorter run to the parking lot.
i probably would have put on some elbows to redirect the flow left and right from that parking stop.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
That's a good point. There was a low point where the parking lot and sidewalk met and we wanted to direct the water out into the parking lot further away from the sidewalk. It was not an elegant solution but it was highly effective.
i suggest using the m95 their the improved version of the m98 with a 2 year longer warranty, a better switch system and better heat give off
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
I'll def check into it! Thanks for the tip!
A lot of balls to the guys core drilling that way done that one time and man almost lost a limb
I like this design for what I see. But I’m concerned that there is no alarm or failure alerting system. For a minimal extra cost you could use a wifi connected power monitoring device along with some custom software to alert based on various failure scenarios. Or, a different option would be to add a high water alarm above the pump- basically a second float. These could send a message to the property owner automatically. I work in IT and create monitoring systems for my employer. So this is easy for me. You could get a similar system as I described that’s pre- made and ready to use out of the box from pumpspy. I’ve never used that one as I designed my own. But in this environment shown in the video the smart outlet from pumpspy seems like a perfect fit.
@GCFD
2 жыл бұрын
Great idea!
@ryanglaser5336
Жыл бұрын
@@GCFDadds value to the job for little cost
It’s so crazy to me that down pipes aren’t plumbed directly into stormwater drains over there. Where I live all down pipes are plumbed to tanks or to stormwater drains.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
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Great video. It appears as if the cover isn't letting enough water in, too few holes?
Hey Shawn - Love these videos. I continue to learn a lot from you guys. One question about this sump setup - Do you think a sump basin with a perforated lid would be as effective handling surface water as a typical 12" catch basin? This would allow me to skip a catch basin altogether in my system and just have surface water go directly into the sump setup. You guys should think about a merch store selling your t-shirts. I would love to show some support and appreciation.
@GCFD
2 жыл бұрын
Yes I think you'd be fine doing that. The sump basin acts as a catch basin when you place it at a low point with a perforated lid. I haven't thought about merch. I don't know anything about it.
@scrunchiiface
2 жыл бұрын
@@GCFD I want a t-shirt that says "FULL BUBBLE!".
Curious is this job is located somewhere where freeze/thaw is a problem?
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
No, we're in NC.
@Happy32153
3 жыл бұрын
NC still has plenty of freezing, but this should still be okay. I have irrigation system above 3’ and it’s lasted years fine in NC.
Nice setup; do builders normally plan for drainage like this, or is this more of an afterthought?
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
I often see it as an afterthought, where a little planning could have avoided it completely. It's easy to look back so maybe we don't know what all they had in the plan.
I’m going to suggest to you please use schedule 40 electrical conduit for your electrical work. It’s easier to pull wires through because of the wide sweep 90s, but more importantly if somebody digs into it they should immediately recognize it isn’t a water pipe before they cut into it. This job looked like a lot of work!
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
We use 1 1/2" pressure PVC to run the cords through because we already have that pipe on the truck.
@jamesbh101
2 жыл бұрын
How about just running some hazard tape around / over the pipe. There is always one idiot that does not check what they are doing.
@jakeo2600
2 жыл бұрын
@@GCFD Stupidity!
Is there a reason/benefit to not using the PVC gutter downspout adapters that have the square gutter connector? Looking to do some DIY runs. Thanks in advance!
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
I don't like using adapters because they close off access to the system. With the downspout in the coupling there is enough room to fit a jetter hose in there to clean things out. The adapters do look better but I don't use them. 👍
I had a plumber buddy who told me to always twist the plastic pipe when you insert it into the female joint. He said it will always glue any voids/bubbles in the glue area that you did not see. He would always insist that his employees twist the glued pipe to prevent call backs.
@GCFD
2 жыл бұрын
I have worked mainly with schedule 80 water pressure lines and they don't want you to twist because any particle in there could leave an un-glued section when twisted. I just gob on the glue on both sides of the connection and call it done.
Great video! Thanks for showing the set up in action in the rain. What is the part attached just above the pump, glued on at 6:25? Thank you.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
That's called a check valve. It's like a one-way valve that doesn't let the water flow back into the basin once the pump stops.
@davidstreling3690
2 жыл бұрын
@@GCFD needed a small hole drilled below the check valve to prevent problem
I really like your videos. Ive noticed that one some jobs you put gravel around the sump basin, yet not on others. I was wondering what the rationale was behind that.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
If you have sub-surface water that you're trying to collect you want to use gravel in a perforated basin. In this project we had mainly gutter water and no surface water running in from elsewhere so we went with solid basins and no gravel. We did go with perforated lids in the low areas.
@Ali-7676
3 жыл бұрын
@@GCFD Ah I see. Thank you for clearing that up.
Well I'd never use that parking spot! 😄
@GCFD
2 жыл бұрын
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Awesome work to bad the electricity wasn’t finished
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Yea for sure!
@billp3914
3 жыл бұрын
@@GCFD My hats off for taking the rare initiative to follow up on jobs That speaks volumes of your companies reputation
PSA - For all of you kids watching this, don't play with electricity while standing in water!
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
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@electricaf365
3 жыл бұрын
And you’ve obviously never been on a construction site. Drop cords laying in standing water all the time.
@ammazcd
3 жыл бұрын
@@electricaf365 no I have not but I know water and electricity don't go well together.
@ammazcd
3 жыл бұрын
@@electricaf365 whatever
Oh, living there, next to a rail yard must be hell.
@bigfootandbananaman4746
3 жыл бұрын
I live right where a very busy interstate goes over a busy highway with loud trucks going by all day and night and I got used to it within a couple days. Now it's weird if I'm somewhere where there isn't constant background noise.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
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I thought you would have cut those 3 pipes at the kerb to make it look nicer and prevent them from being damaged.
@GCFD
2 жыл бұрын
With the parking lot curb there we left them protruding. We also wanted to make it obvious where the water was coming from since this is a less-than-ideal discharge point.
Great video, what brand of pump you use and recommend?
Where are you located, My guess is in the warm zone where there is no permeant winter frost line.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
We are in NC. No real frost line here.
That's a lot of water! My god that thing must have flooded..
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
It's crazy how builders don't anticipate drainage problems and try to design in some solutions. Having to come back like we did is definitely not an elegant solution, but it is a solution.
Those pumps were sorely needed alright. The electricity bill is a small price to pay for not flooding the yard and house.
I like how homie at 4:07 was just cutting the sidewalk with no water. And then wasn't even phased when the boss was walking up with a camera. This must be normal practice.
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
👍 We use water. I'm not sure why he didn't on that day.
Do you have a list of materials you used. More specifically the pumps and sump basins? Thanks
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Steven - We used zoeller m98s with 25' cords, jackel 18x22 basins with perforated lids.
@stevenphillips6339
3 жыл бұрын
@@GCFD Thanks for the reply. I have a flooded back yard most of the winter and spring months. I’ve gotten a bunch of ideas from your videos. Thanks for the info.
NICE!! I hope they own that stall. Lawsuit?
Hi, I was wondering what tool the guy at 3:48 is using? It appears to be cutting roots to help dig the trench better?
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
That's a dewalt 20v sawzall with a green limb blade on it. We were trying to get through those crape myrtle roots!
You made removing sump pump very hard . It will breakdown over time
My backyard is lower than the street. I want to pump water uphill to the street (10 inch rise over 50 ft) Is it ok if the pump piping is pitched uphill? Worried about water trapping in the pipe and freezing?
@GCFD
2 жыл бұрын
Yes going uphill is why a pump is required. The freezing thing is an issue.
Thanks for sharing video of your work. Can you give a rough estimate of this jobs' price? Thanks again.
How is not having storm water control on property not normal? Love the videos
@ryanglaser5336
Жыл бұрын
This construction looks old
after watching you saw the sidewalk, I was wondering if you haven't thought of using a horizontal drilling thing (cant remember what they are called 😂)to set the tubes without having to open a whole trench, that uses hydraulics to move the tubes ? I don't know if you have many jobs where you need to cut open sidewalks or concrete driveways, just an idea 😄
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Yes that's a great idea!
Is the reson you piped all three pumps all the way to the curve due to redundancy or capacity? I was thinking it would be more cost effective and less pipe to go into one before going to the curb. I am no expert, just a curious IT tech 😊
@GCFD
3 жыл бұрын
Yes I took them all to the curb because it was the best possible way to do things. I thought about the issues you mentioned, but I wanted the system to work as best it could. Thanks for commenting!
@celuldor
3 жыл бұрын
@@GCFD Yeah sometimes cost effective is not the right way, its the same thing in networking :) As you more or less have redundancy now, with not single point of failure.
The electrician hardwire the pump or put a female plug to the wire and then connect the male plug from the pump to the female plug? Thanks in advance. I have a similar case in my back yard is pretty much flat.