I mostly made this compilation as a place I can put my current thoughts on GMs overall, and difficulty in the game as a whole. Very long post below. -25 and -40 GM Nightfalls aren't very different at this point. Both the damage dealt and damage received differences are barely noticeable. Which is not really what I was personally hoping for when I saw the ability to go in so low. In the past with prestige Nightfalls, -40 handicap made them near impossible in a lot of cases, and is in stark contrast to how it is now on what's meant to be some of the hardest content the game has to offer. I'm in two minds when it comes to the current level of difficulty provided, particularly in GM Nightfalls. Both what I've come to accept in the game, and is probably right for the majority, versus what I personally want for the game. Right now, for the majority of the playerbase, GM Nightfalls are probably in a very good place. They're approachable enough to be doable by even some of the least invested players, and very achievable by the majority of the player-base who are seeking to get them done. They'll still remain as a challenge, but not as an insurmountable summit that most will never be able to reach. For myself, and most other players seeking truly challenging and punishing content; unfortunately, Destiny 2 will never be that game. That's something that I think most challenge players come to realise. While it would be a great way to keep the most dedicated players invested, the fact is, the majority of the playerbase don't want some insurmountable challenge. GMs were originally released with idea that they'd challenge even the most dedicated fireteams, but season after season we've seen them become easier and easier, and changes to make them more accessible to everyone. Now, they're just the equivalent of another triumph to check off each season, without any satisfaction from being challenged for the more dedicated players. The biggest example of this is comparing the original Solo GMs to the Solo GMs from recent seasons. The initial challenge was simply "can this even be done solo?", but now they've all devolved into "how fast can these be done solo?". This can be argued as the natural progression for any game with experience and time, but I think purely from my personal standpoint, it's been made too easy now. Being able to survive as much as we can, while also clearing entire groups of enemies without much effort, in -40 content solo, it shows how strong we are. Whether that's the right choice is not for me to say, but ultimately I feel like having at least one piece of brutally challenging content in the game would be nice. While I personally don't have a problem with one piece of content not being left as accessible to all (for example, I don't care for PVP, and I accept that I never will get the top tier rewards from that as a result), the majority don't feel that way. Destiny 2 just isn't that sort of game, and likely never will be. I'm not going to say "the game is too easy", as ultimately that's subjective and depends on how much time you invest into the game. I don't want to "gatekeep" people from activities either. I just want the option to have something challenging in the game. So while my personal desire is to be challenged, I understand I'm the minority in that desire. So as a tl;dr, for my opinion on whether I think Destiny 2 has become too easy, particularly in GM Nightfalls... for the people seeking the challenge, it definitely has. For the majority, the difficulty is probably in a good place.

@alex62965

Жыл бұрын

Alot of mods are getting changed/ removed in lightfall, so this may reduce guardian potency thus making Grandmaster nightfalls harder. Although Strand might make them even easier... Looking forward to the state of pve in lightfall.

@theveryamericaneagle3657

Жыл бұрын

​@@alex62965The only mods getting removed are warmind cells.

@alex62965

Жыл бұрын

@@theveryamericaneagle3657 elemental wells are going :(

@theveryamericaneagle3657

Жыл бұрын

@@alex62965 I believe they are staying there just changing the mechanic to a different name I think.

@alex62965

Жыл бұрын

@@theveryamericaneagle3657 they will create orbs of power instead, bit of a downgrade for me personally

Ive had my hands together in prayer since destiny 1 for a true solo activity. Ive always wanted it to be like firefight from a halo. A timeless survival or defend, wave-oriented mode. 1-6 players with waves that scaled based off player count to truly make a solo replayable activity. Or just make a 1 man verison, 3 man verison, etc. Youd get a loot drop say every 5 or 10 waves. Have unique bosses on specific wave numbers too. And challenge oriented players could task themselves with reaching stupid high waves, kind of like the golden days of cod zombies. I understand this would/could be very time consuming. But if your a dedicated player, that time consumption wouldn't be too out of place anyway. It'd be a gamemode trule build for the less devote and the extremely dedicated on both ends, that would be replayable for solos. They could give players a badge to show what level they got to. And im sure content creators like eso would compete for highest round record. Im convinced this would be perfect for destiny. Ill keep praying but its been like 10 years.

@YouAreAnIdiot109

Жыл бұрын

Bruh, this is a KZread comment section chill out

@Kaiser8361N

Жыл бұрын

Destiny would be 100x better with something like that. Follow it up with Forge as well

@sydious_s_snake

Жыл бұрын

Been echoing those same wishes since I started playing

@suyo1996

Жыл бұрын

You kind of described Warframe with the endless farms and scanning enemies. Doesn't have bosses spawn like that tho

@ziolan8970

Жыл бұрын

I’ve wanted this for the longest time. How does bungie come up with such a great mode and not use it

Love the content! I've learned so much from you over the years now, so thank you for that!!!

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It's so relaxing watching his solo clears. Meanwhile I load in and first set of mobs I'm already sweaty.

Bro really has his bungie name as Guardian to assert that he is in fact the lore accurate guardian

Super Leistung bin ein riesen Fan von dir 😃👍

Bro you’re an absolute Legend, k….. just wanted you to know that.

Oh wow. I understand your feelings in the subject but I must say you are a serious kind of op as a player though Eso.

We gotta start calling u ‘Klothys’ cause u the god of destiny 💪🏿😤 fr

last season I played was beyond light. We had stasis introduced and the glassway nightfall strike. that was one of the most challenging activities the game has ever seen, especially for a solo run. I know that even the best players in the world were challenged by it including you, ive watched your vid and the attepmts you did to finally succeed it

@NALBilge

Жыл бұрын

Nah dude glassway is very easy. Gms are pretty free the game sortve sucks now ngl.

@natez999

Жыл бұрын

@@NALBilge you never tried Glassway when it was released I see

@steves4562

Жыл бұрын

@@natez999 I dont think Glassway was that hard either but its all relative to what you think is hard. I played it and solo'd it on release and it wasnt too bad. I thought corrupted and lightblade were far far more difficult.

Thank you for your thoughts.

my team took about 2h each gms was about 20 min runs max maybe even an 1h and 40 min but you doing it in sub 4h solo is insane again respect once again

@dysunctionalmcdonaldsicecr7350

Жыл бұрын

that’s bad…

@yairhadad422

Жыл бұрын

@@dysunctionalmcdonaldsicecr7350 for who ?

People really underestimate the strength 40% damage resistance gives in grandmasters. The power creep isn't primarily from our subclasses, guns, builds, etc, but from the fact we take almost half damage at all times compared to what we did 3 seasons ago. -40 light under doesn't make a huge difference like Eso said in the pinned comment, 0 resilience grandmasters however, that's far more of a challenge, akin to what we used to have, even with our newer builds

Thank you Eso for sharing your thoughts in the description. I appreciate that you value not just the 1% top players but all players needs and wishes for the state of the game.

Who will win 1 revenant wizard vs 1.3 arbalest mags😂. On a real note stellar gameplay as always ggs broski

Well Thanks a Lot Esoterickk , i thought i did pretty well when we had 12 Man on Master ,, now you Have what DRAX said about THOR running through my head,,,,, (He's Not a Dude , Your a dude , This , This is a MAN , a Handsome , Muscular Man !) LOL Awesome video man.

I think another point to take into consideration re easy vs accesible is that the GM rotation is - imo - getting stale i.e. as a 6x Gilded Conqueror I know most if not all the GMs currently in the game pretty much off the back of my hand. I say this because in all honesty, KNOWING the strike i.e. all the spawns, boss health gates etc. is what truly makes a GM easy vs hard. For example, Glassway used to be very difficult for me, but once I learnt when al lthe spawns of Champs and Wyverns, it became significantly easier. Lightblade is actually one of my favourite GMs in the game not just because it's one of the hardest GMs in the game, but because the spawns dont follow as strict a pattern as other strikes i.e. we know WHEN the champs spawn in the boss room, but WHERE they spawn all depends on where each fireteam member is physically located in the room - so that element of unpredictability makes it tougher and more challenging. TLDR, I think a good way to spice of the challenge without compromising accesibility is introducing newer strikes into the rotation with a bit more frequency - sad they got rid of The Fanatic after just one season.

@ratherbedealingarms

Жыл бұрын

Agree -- we've gotten more powerful, but our knowledge of the mechanics of each of the strikes is what has made GMs easy.

@sydious_s_snake

Жыл бұрын

It's the resilience buff more than anything making them as easy as they are right now

You must be Saint-14 with that Titan!!! Damn it!! This is completely insane.

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I actually agree that the GMs have become much easier. But that’s not because of the GMs. The GMs themselves are in an alright spot but we are significantly more powerful than we were when GMs first launched. I remember when the corrupted was one of if not the hardest GMs in the game now it’s doable. Not necessarily easy but you can get it done significantly faster than before

@sydious_s_snake

Жыл бұрын

It's primarily the resil, you take away that 40% dr at all times and our 3.0 builds don't get _that_ far. We can outheal and kill X thing before it kills us at the moment thanks to taking almost half damage from every source. Can't outheal a one shot like we used to

Completely agree with your take. And also, I think there should something for everyone, say a super easy dungeon/raid to serve as a beggining for new players to have a know how on how to interact and behave in such activity or 1 or 2 super hardcore gms or even above it that only some folks can do, or at least only some can solo. Hell, we do this solos, or 3 man raids, speeds, you name it, without any rewards for it. Just for raid reports or videos to present and get into better teams or simple for the fun and adrenaline of it. So I woudn´t mind to have something where you go/change difficulty by your own just for content. There should definately be something else only meant for a few, even if no rewards or just cosmetics. Half of the player doesn´t have the countless flawless shadders and emblems. And that does not prevent them from playing the game. Well, 2 seasons ago I went in my first ever gm, conquered gilded, and following your videos and advice I soloed 4 gms, insight, spire, warden and arms dealers. Gonna get glassway done for sure. Maybe 1 other this season. Thanks for inspiring!!! Keep it up!!!

Did you see solo gatekeepers had first ever completion this week? You could try that if you want something insanely hard

Godly

God I love gridskipper

I don’t know why but the gridskipper reminds me of the hvk from BO3

I am nowhere near the level of eso, but I have always enjoyed GMs for their challenge. I agree that they have become increasingly more easy with power creep, so I've been attempting solo GMs because I find them a satisfying challenge. I can understand for someone at eso's level who was doing that at previous difficulty how they would now be less fulfilling

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I've quit Never any friends and I don't get the weekly changes because I missed out and was off due to family issues

It’s getting easier to is Normens too because I got my conqueror in the first week again this season no coms first try. Glassway used to feel insurmountable but as I have done it more and more each season the challenge has become less and less on top of power creep

@natez999

Жыл бұрын

last season i played was beyond light and to achieve my conqueror that season i had to suffer thorough Glassway a long with the top tier players. I dont think there is a single player in the world that wasnt challenged by it, especially if you had to do it solo

Is it possible with void Titan ?

Nah, this season was way too easy, i agree with you Eso. No satisfaction at all from gilding the title.

Whether it was a breeze for you or not kudos, this is crazy haha I think you have valid point on both sides, I think if destiny was what each of us wanted it would have to be every game simultaneously 😂 everyone wants something different, maybe a way to do it would be loadout fixing? So maybe there’s like a weekly loadout chosen by bungie and that’s what you have to use? Cos honestly it’s only ‘easy’ because of all your synergies and for rolls and combinations, doing this with a random loadout would be harder, you’d still do it in a day but still haha I don’t know, what would you like to see? D1 missions but with crazy amounts of ads? I don’t know, but I get what you’re saying

Hallo 🤠...yeah...RESPEKT...

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Do you think you will attempt a solo gatekeepers or a totally solo VoG before lightfall drops? There was a really interesting strat letting gatekeeper to be soloed and now the entire raid if someone wanted to Some of the strats might get patched out in lightfall so I was just wondering if that was on your agenda.

Did you almost shit your pants when the Scarlet Keep boss was right beside you on the cliff? or the cursed thrall? lol

Gatekeeper was just solod. We get a full solo raid from you soon?

@iPandahh

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/c6mTk8uYls6dcdI.html This is the vid

Would love to see you solo each gm on all three subclasses as a challenge. Certain gms could be easier to solo for one class and harder for the other two. For example, I am currently stuck on birth place of the vile gm with about 50 attempts in as Titan. This gm feels easier on Hunter for catching plates and staying alive in the boss room. Update: Finally got a plat solo clear on Titan in 30 min after 86 attempts. Boss room strategy is chasing after each wave of adds and spawn kill them all.

@formxr

Жыл бұрын

Void titan is amazing for birthplace. One vortex nade kills an entire ad wave and you can get another one back with Heart before the next spawns.

@NorthEastMick

Жыл бұрын

Use a void lock with Contaverse and a grenade build. Each wave will give you your grenade back and you’ll have devour active most of the time.

@Xeno_3401

Жыл бұрын

@@formxr Did you solo it on Titan yet?

@Xeno_3401

Жыл бұрын

@@NorthEastMick Did you solo it on Titan yet? Thanks for reminding me of devour. Imma slot it in my build and give it another go.

@Xeno_3401

Жыл бұрын

For reference, I solo'd 9 gms on titan including lightblade and glassway. Never took more than 20 attempts on any gm. I thought birth place was an easy one and man I was wrong.

I have a question. How are you able to do all six gms at a time like this

@katharsis1926

Жыл бұрын

If you have the conquerer title once, you can always play all GMs of the actual season to gilden the title.

@IFlext

Жыл бұрын

If you have the Conqueror seal you can select each strike individually

@sircosta6200

Жыл бұрын

He works at bungievlmao....

Its like playing halo on legendary.

Do miniboss Champions count for boss spec or major spec?

@vanadium1169

Жыл бұрын

major

Can u do scarlet keep without chessee and Warden of nothing??? -40 LVL OF COURSE!!!

@natez999

Жыл бұрын

watch his attempt of beyond light (around october 2021) soloing the "Glassway"

How do you change the nightfall?

@Esoterickk

Жыл бұрын

If you have conqueror unlocked, the following season you can do all 6 at once to gild the title faster

i feel insane. how is Eso able to change Grandmasters?

@lawrenceethan1675

Жыл бұрын

Conqueror title allows you to pick each GM once

@dresdenwarlock7978

Жыл бұрын

@@lawrenceethan1675 ah HA! THANK u!

what is that damage boost hes getting on screen?

@55lilsonny

Жыл бұрын

Solo operative mod on your class item gear

At -15:59 I died I was so close to the boss room

its insane to think that u still find the game to easy , when i cannot even do GMs majority of the time i dont think ive ever done a GM now that i think of it.. the gear grind is just to much imo + hot havin friends or reliable ppl to play with makes some of the gear grind even more tedious

@jonahbrown5669

Жыл бұрын

Just about anyone can hop in a GM with mediocre gear and be successful. You don't even need proper builds anymore.

@kevinguit15

Жыл бұрын

@@jonahbrown5669 ya say that too the zero dmg i do on the elites :D

@formxr

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinguit15 You simply need to be 1595 to get max advantage in a GM now. You're saying you can't hit that?

@Kaiser8361N

Жыл бұрын

It’s either a power level issue or a skill issue. Personally for me, they give me some challenge the first 7-8 attempts but after I learn more each run I get better

@kevinguit15

Жыл бұрын

@@formxr correct ive been sitting at 1580 for a few months now either due to not getting drops or not being able to do majority of pinnacles and no i am not bad i have well build builds either by big yt or even eso himself

Can you carry me😄

lol

I used to be impressed with these videos. Back in chosen I was in awe that you done proving grounds solo.. Nowadays after having done them all myself I’m genuinely just sick of power creep and how easy the content is. Day one raids are literally the only enjoyable bits of content for me but unfortunately I can’t do them anymore because I refuse to play through the rest of the game just to wait for one raid every 6 months or more

@JustEclecticV1

Жыл бұрын

exactly

I mean not everyone is a pro player I’ve been playing since day one and I tried this at 1596 with a build I do legends solo fairly easy and couldn’t even get past the first room on gm so 🫡