As an electrician, I always found it fun to correct a solar salesman's numbers because I have yet to find one that actually knows what he's talking about. Selling back to the grid to pay for a system is a pipe dream. If you are not keeping/storing the power you generate and using it yourself, you are wasting your money.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

With these crazy rules that's exactly right. Some people can't do simple math. Knocking down a $200 month electric bill with a $50k system NEVER pays back. All equipment has a service life, plus there is additional costs.

@diyrenewableenergyelectron4996

6 ай бұрын

Why export for 4 cents per kilowatt-hour when you can use it at your home and save 22 cents per kilowatt-hour? My area doesn’t have net metering so you have to export 4-5X more energy than you consume in order to break even. Total scam. I started a business specific to off-grid solar systems to help people!

@gsp49

5 ай бұрын

Run a small generator for a couple of hours to recharge your LiFep04 after cloudy days if you have to, cheaper than the power bill. LiFep04 is the key. Best thing since microwave ovens.

@gsp49

5 ай бұрын

​​@@TKCLSystems don't cost that much, it's getting cheaper and better by the day. The eternal electric bill is quickly going the way of the land line telephone.Ive seen systems that would cover all I need under $4,000. Including panels

@heshworksbetter2777

4 ай бұрын

@@gsp49 I just recently got serious about solar, and in the year that I have spent doing my due diligence I agree the tech has improved substantially. I can't quite cover my current usage for $4000, but doubling that figure would and the elimination of my current yearly usage bills it would pay for itself in right at 3yrs. Offgrid solar is the only way to go If someone is serious about doing solar period. So far it has been an interesting and fun adventure, almost makes me feel like a little kid again!

This sounds crazy! I am so glad I got net metering back in Dec. 2021. I am grandfathered in for a 1 to 1 till 2035. My 12 KW system was only 32K. With tax credits I've already saved over 5K

@crowviking

22 күн бұрын

I was considering the same set up (6kw system for $26k, net metering 1:1) But its still a solar system dependent on the grid. The cost has an ROI that is only acquired in the next life.

An option that some of us here in California (highest electricity costs) are doing is getting grid-tie inverters with limiters: no County, no fees, no inspections. There are a bunch out there and most are NOT UL listed, however, companies like Signature Solar and others are selling some that are. Here is how it works: The inverter constantly monitors what your house is pulling from the grid and then (if sufficient solar is available) offsets down to around 5 to 10 Watts (not kilo watts, watts). So no back-feeding the grid a single Watt. This all happens automatically and any person with minimal skill can install one. So at my house in San Diego from around 7:00AM until around 6:00 PM (August), my meter shows my house consuming only around 5-10 watts at any time during those hours. As the sun goes down the inveters eventually turn off due to insufficient voltage from the panels. The next morning the cycle starts all over again. My bill went from around $350.0/month to around $47.0/month. Our system is "plug and play". No county. No fees. No inspections. We installed a window A/C as the panels support it and we only turn on the house FAU A/C a couple times a year. Our panels can not support the house FAU A/C but it does offset it several KiloWatts. Anyone can install a system like this. 2 x Inverters $700.00, 10 X 320 Watt panels $2,000.00, Wire $400.00, swithces, fueses, disconnects, ....$500.00 TOTAL SYSTEM COST $3,600.00 It has been working perfectly for 3 years now and took 2 days to install and it was our first time doing anything "Solar". It took one year for the system to pay for itself.

@TKCL

8 ай бұрын

Good info

@abdulrahmanmuslihudeen6335

7 ай бұрын

woow😊

@radarecho57

6 ай бұрын

I did not know about this. This changes everything!

@paulbaker3144

5 ай бұрын

So if we switch to a EV it makes sense to only charge during the day when the panels are producing. This could work for folks who are home during the day. And place the hot water heater on a timer so it only charges during the day.

@electricfuzzband

5 ай бұрын

Am I correct assuming batteries could be incorporated into this grid-tie inverter system as well?

Finally, a down to earth solar net metering drill down. Well done! Glad I found the channel. 😊

@TKCL

7 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching!

I was in the power generation business for 30 years. It was mostly standby power and then a few systems here and there that were running 24/7, and I too am in Florida. None of what I offered was solar, it was all driven by fossil fuels. We did sell a few "no break" systems that involved large UPS banks that kick in instantly when the grid goes down and that provides the time for the gensets to turn on, come up to speeds and take over. When it came to my home I decided I wanted one of those "no break" systems. I ran into almost everything you've mentioned with FPL. How stupid is it that you shell out $30K+ and you depend on the grid at night.. really? After pissing off three consecutive sales guys I figured out the only way to go is to DIY and say nothing to anyone, and yes ground mounted solar panels. Like you I'm building my system slowly, adding panels and batteries as the budget allows.

@TKCL

9 ай бұрын

It's a shame, "sunshine" state has so many ridiculous rules to make solar not feasible. DIY is the only way that makes sense to me.

@gsp49

5 ай бұрын

​@@TKCLThe workaround with a grid tied in system just to have it legal would be, don't pay the power bill.

It's best to do your homework. The most economical system for me is a grid tied system. That's because of many reasons: 1. National Grid rates are some of the highest in the country 2. I am in a city with mostly underground wiring. I lose power on average about 1 or 2 hours per year. That's right PER YEAR. Wen I do I rig up my camping inverter to a Lipo battery that can get me through the night. 3. In the long run, solar panels and inverters have 25 year warrantee and longer life. Lipo batteries degrade over time, they'll need to be replaced in 5 years. Not to mention they are more expensive than additional panels. 4. I oversized my system by 20% based on use. I figured I was really only paying for the 3 additional panels and inverters. There really wasn't much of an increase to install those panels. I essentially maxed out my roof space. I'd rather be in a situation where I have excess credits and install a mini split, than have them come back out and pay for more panels and installation cost. 5. Given the 30% tax credit, and state tax credit and other incentives, my system will pay for itself in 6 years. I paid some upfront costs out of pocket and took out a 5 ear loan, so in 5 years I will essentially have a $7/mo electric bill. I understand every situation is different, but the key really is to take advantage of the tax incentives.

Great information . I dont plan on having solar but I want to thank you for sending the info and saving others from being swindled with no payback.

Thank you so much Andrew for doing the deep dive on this subject. You have a great channel!

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Andrew, this is totally necessary and very valuable information.

I just moved my solar system out of my truck and into my off grid hime🤦‍♀️I also moved the solar panels and now they are pointed right at me. I have not felt myself lately and you just pointed out to me why. I will definitely be moving things again. And I’m sharing this video with my friend. Grateful for the demonstration 🙏🕊️

Hell's Bells - things are different where you live. I've got a grid tied solar system (my 3rd) in Australia. Engineer's drawings / reports ? Nope, my installer submitted a quick description of what he is installing, and the electricity company said "OK". Extra inspectors ? Nope. Extra people on my land ? Nope. In fact, it;s the opposite. My meter was changed to a smart meter that can be read remotely when my solar system went live, so no-one from the power company ever comes out to read my meter anymore. I sell electricity back to the grid at $0.13 AUD per kWh, and I pay $0.30 AUD per kWh from the grid. Extra insurance costs ? ZERO. (I don't pay insurance - it's a tax on idiots and fools). Do I clean my solar panels ? No, they only ever get "cleaned" when it rains. My solar panels are on my roof, and the total solar panel / system maintenance costs over 14 years (at the 3 properties where I have installed solar power systems): $0.00. Nada. Zilch. As you can see, your experiences are nothing like mine. I love my solar which was installed in Aug-2023: solar panels on my roof and a grid tied inverter (no lithium batteries for me). This was my 3rd solar panel installation, each at a different property. Also have an old Solar Hot Water System (HWS) on my roof - which produces more than enough hot water for my needs, even after days of overcast / rainy weather. My power bills have turned into credits, and I now get free electricity and make around $110 AUD per month tax free - a whopping 25% Return on Investment (ROI). It's like having a piggy bank on my roof. My entire system will pay for itself in 4 years. Highly recommend others do this if they can. Use a reputable, quality installer, and always do your research first.

@dizzlethe7346

Ай бұрын

The crazy thing about this shet here in the US. Is every state and even county in that state is vastly different lol. This changed my life, making it able I could do the same for family! Now I'm so caught up seeing others story on it's unreal. I live/ have properties in Ohio us, And my experience is A LOT like yours lol. When I had an installer everything happened the same. For My two DIY installs all I had to do is go get a permit with a layout where it was going on my property and the name of the devices I would connect to the grid but needed a pro to turn the service on. Both times DIY or not it got inspected by the county before the service got connected (that day), but that was cake. For me when net metering first came out we had a 1 to 1 buyback, With no limit on the system sizes other than it has to be under 99.9KW with no max buybacks...... I took full advantage of this because I knew it would change an it did it's not bad today you still can make $4000usd a year from buybacks but.. lol. 16yrs ago My first system cost me 40,000USD (25,000 after taxes/rebates) because I DIYed 80% of it to put up a 92KW system with 44KWs on dual axis arrays. EVERYONE called me stupid because electric was cheap at 0.045 cents to us then, But my bill was still average $120us because at the time we didn't have NG near use it was propane or electric. But I hella oversized so Soon as it came online that place (shop and home) hasn't paid once. The 13th month (January) going was my first pay of (1yr bank) $562usd, that year made just under 7000usd. Now that electric cost 0.15 cents we get a lil under 3x that now LOL.

@dizzlethe7346

Ай бұрын

This and buying when prices weren't insane like now, really did change my life. After we got that first buyback check from the electric I knew this could be played somehow... We found out how and every other year we bought another house (thats when you can get rebates and tax write offs again 30-40% system costs) an would rent the "old" house to family for half the cost of normal rent w,o free electric lol. We got to our 4th home (2 houses 2 triplex) and the net metering law for Ohio changed. We pay $4800 a month in home/solar loans but the electric company pays $6200 on average alone. An from 6 families we get a total $2800 a month when we "could" get in the range of 6-8000. Since we put 85% of what we get at the loans they ALL will be paid off in 2.5years. Plus over this time have saved enough to build our dream home/set-up and possibly retire at 40 when everything is paid.

Thanks for shining a light on this charged up topic... :-) More power to you! 🙂

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

LOL

Thank you for all the research and letting us know your findings.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching

Great points and thanks for going into all that detail. Makes me glad I insisted on not being grid tied to begin with. Some people just want to be left alone ;)

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

That's what solar is all about in my opinion

Do not use net metering. Install an export power sensor. When your production exceeds your power needs it automatically cuts your inverter off the grid. Further, install a solar charger and battery system so that excess power is stored into your batteries and ready for night use..

Hi, Andrew! Thank you for all the time and research you put into your videos. You are helping hundreds of people. See you at 7:00.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

See you then

I really appreciate the no nonesense approach of this video. It helps to remove the sales hype and sets the tone regarding net metering realities. Thanks - New sub!

@TKCL

8 ай бұрын

That's what I wanted to do, not saying this won't work in your area. It's just sad that most people are lied to and sold ridiculous systems.

The Million dollar liability coverage for us was only required for a period of 2 weeks during the installation process. We were allowed to cancel it afterward. It’s because of the high voltage hook-up but once that is completed, the electric company said we didn’t need it anymore. The insur policy only cost a couple hundred bucks.

@jonathantafur9670

7 ай бұрын

good info.

Best analysis of system I've seen 👏

I got a 60k estimate for a 27 panel system with zero battery storage. You are 1000% correct!!!!

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Yet I see people getting those left and right. To make matters worse they are FINANCING these systems for 20-30 years. $60k would build an off grid system capable of powering a few homes. Especially if it's DIY.

@watchman1982

Жыл бұрын

I received a similar quote. Those companies are basically financing companies and not solar installer/reseller companies. It's ridiculous!

@xzibit8614

Жыл бұрын

Federal tax credit is also 27% back to you.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Aren't they trying to do away with the credit? I thought it just barely got renewed for a short term.

@watchman1982

Жыл бұрын

@@TKCL Yes, I believe you are correct. Plus the 27% Federal tax credit does not even come close to offsetting what one would pay in interest over 20-30 years on an already overpriced system.

FANTASTIC video! Thank you for confirming much of the things I've looked into, and why I've avoided solar for years. I have several friends and co-workers who have jumped into solar waters without being fully aware of how many sharks were present. Not a single one is happy with their decision after a few years. How you are going about implementing solar and battery solutions is really the only way that makes any sense at this time.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

It's the only way I can justify spending my money. More affordable equipment like I'm installing pays me back daily and eventually pays for itself, although that's years down the road. I'd rather have this than a gas or propane hog whole house generator that costs upfront and a lot everytime you run it. With that said I want backup power no matter how its generated.

Andrew that is excellent information. Most things are just not what they seem. Love the information you do your research on. Your very good at what you do. 👍👍❤️❤️🇨🇦

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching

I have a very small off grid solar system and it was just meant as an emergency system, but as the price of power, fees and taxes keeps going up the investment keeps getting better and better. Yes my system was meant for emergencies but it produces power every day and runs my home. I was from the beginning focussed on only my needs and not society, so my greed index never went through the roof but stayed focussed on solving an issue rather than earning money. Did it work? Yes it did, my grid supplied power consumption fell dramatically to about $90 per quarter sometimes less. I agree with your assessment don't waste time on dealing with the "man" or any other parasites.

@user-hg2tk3xj9y

2 ай бұрын

Same situation here almost to a T, one of them expenses nobody talks about on Return on Investment is them line charges never go away even if I do not use any power off the Grid, but the Grid is one heck of a backup power supply for the price. Built everything myself and never asked for permission with permits/inspections....some times better off asking for forgiveness and not turn yourself in asking for permission on stuff.

Oh wow did you ever open up my eyes on this . Thank you for this one.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching

Well you bring up some real good points. I live in Arkansas and installed a DIY ground mount system at my farm. This is a Net-Metering system. It does not have any battery backup so if the grid is down, my system shuts off. The main advantage of this system is the fact that I have a condo that is served by the same electrical provider and that allows me apply my excess kWh's to that meter. What this has done for me in the 8 months I have had this system is I have had bills from both locations that have had 0 kWh. I really expect that to be the norm. I have calculated just over an 11 year payback which is not to bad. Regarding the size of the system, my provider would only approve a system that provided 100% of my last 12 months usage. Time will tell if this has been a good investment but I'm thinking it will turn out to be a good one.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

You done it correctly with a properly sized system, plus it also sounds like you have true net metering where you are. Here are these fly-by-night solar companies will put the largest system they can sell you on your roof even if it's oversized. They then get you to do financing paying High interest rates and monthly payments. Also in this state we pay a minimum $30 a month fee to be grid tied whether we use any power or not. So if your grid tied here you will always have some sort of a monthly payment no matter how much solar power you generate.

@Stoutluvr

Жыл бұрын

@@TKCL i currently am on a true net metering contract which is 1 for 1. The electric companies in Arkansas just lobbied the legislature and got changes made to the law that drops the pay for over generating down to wholesale rates. That will be for systems installed beginning next year. Currently systems in service now will be grandfathered for 25 years. But at the end of the day, I like projects and this was one I did last year and was really surprised by how easy it was. I did have some companies quote it and the prices I got were right at three times what it actually costs me. Lots of markup in solar systems.

@danielking2944

3 ай бұрын

I think most people have the same motivation as me when getting solar power. We want the power to stay on during grid failure,whether one hour or several days. The brownouts and neutral breaks that destroy refrigerators and electronics are mitigated by having pure sine wave inverters typical in solar. The main reason for failure of mini split heat pumps is dirty grid power. Produce more power than I need during sunny days but can’t imagine spending the money to buy equipment to sell excess to the grid when they don’t want it. It’s reasonable for the power company to pay wholesale during the day because grid-scale solar projects are coming on line like an avalanche.If they can produce electricity at $.03 / KWH , have no incentive to pay you several times that. In San Diego ,where they have huge price swings daily, you could justify buying batteries and grid-tie inverters without panels. I’m helping some of my friends who fell into the grid-tie trap to add battery backup. It’s simpler to just abandon the sell back scam and just use the panels off-grid. Maintain the grid connection and operate your inverter in Solar/Battery /Utility load priority mode. As you scale up your inverter capacity, the essential circuits panel can finally become the main panel. I have two houses on my system and the smaller one now passes all power through inverters whatever the original source. Keep adding houses to your private micro-grid and soon kick the power company out of the loop!

Great video with some great research!!! Also I noticed I wasn’t getting notifications for all your videos. Some reason my “bell” icon said personalized I never selected that! I put it back to all and hopefully I will see ALL your content. Make sure to tell folks to check their settings so your getting all the views you deserve!!!

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching

Got Tesla Solar installed 24 panels for $23.5k last year in Southern California and paid off. It helps to reduce my electric bill for household consumption and 1 EV and 1 plug in hybrid with NEM 2. I love my solar.

@subhobroto

7 ай бұрын

You love your solar because you're on nem2. I love mine too as I'm on nem1. I don't think anyone on nem3 though is super excited as us

A lot of good solar information Andrew. Thank you.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching

You are spot on Andrew, everyone down here in s. Florida is doing this without a clue.. they don't know that if the grid is down so are they unless they have a battery power storage system setup.. Love your setup and look forward to seeing your updates..

@truthlove1114

8 ай бұрын

In Florida here, in our part of Florida the power lines are underground and we’ve never lost power since we moved here in 2007. Never once, through hurricanes, tropical storms etc. have relatives in PA in the mountains and they loose power 2-3 times a year because branches come down on the lines. Now I don’t live along the coast of Florida that’s a different story but if you live inland, and in a neighborhood built in the last 20 years, the power lines are underground and very reliable.

@TKCL

8 ай бұрын

I wish all of our lines were underground. So many trees in our area.

@MrJayallen2004

8 ай бұрын

I just use my generator hooked to the main panel, soft start on ac unit. Never without power here.

taking a shop/critical items off grid sounds like the best option. I like how your food storage is completely off grid, i am in the same hurricane area as you and thats what i really want to do.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

My food and water is my biggest priority to be ran by this. I'm there with my recent equipment purchase. Next additions just make life more comfortable and me to be able to run more things.

I'm in Washington state. Net metering is using the grid as a free battery. Not actually selling any power back but replacing what you use. If you make as much power as you use, you pay nothing for power except the Utilities fixed monthly costs. We call this one for one net metering. True if power goes out you have no power because there is no battery. But that's not an issue, we rarely loose power. If we do, it's just a couple minutes. If we make a bunch of power in the summer, rolling our meter back, a couple months worth of power. We get free power in the winter till we use up what we banked with the Utility. That's why with cheaper Solar Panels these days, it's good to put in a big system. Our net metering resets every March. If we make more then we use by March we don't get any credit for it. Have you looked at the all in one Inverters like, EG4 18KPV Hybrid Inverter | All-In-One Solar Inverter | 18000W PV Input | 12000W Output | 48V 120/240V Split Phase | EG4 18KPV-12LV at Signature Solar.

Nice deep dive Andrew always helpful 🙂

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching

Andrew another very informative video, Thank You! Catch ya later on the live.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

See you then

Excellent coverage of the dark-side of solar net-metering.

I have to say, I actually enjoy the rooster crowing in the background of your videos. I dont know what it is, but I find comfort in that sound.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

He sounds so loud in person lol.

Congrats to an excellent episode. Subscribed. Cheers.

@TKCL

10 ай бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

Very in depth and well said.

@TKCL

8 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching

Good video. Plenty of things to consider, before installing a solar system.

@TKCL

11 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching

Thank you for providing this information. I thought I did my research but there really wasn't much of the cons out there for me to counter what the sales data was showing. Living in a large city in the southwest, we aren't allowed to be off grid. So net metering is really our only option. I chose the option with the battery because we were having some outage issues. Little did I know, the battery is actually used for the On Peak Power Times leaving me less than 20% battery overnight. In a year and a half of having the system, I've only not paid a monthly bill one time.

Awesome content. Thank you for sharing. Very good information to know. 🤠

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching

Totally agree, much better to design for your own needs! 👏👏👏!

@richardbowers3647

8 ай бұрын

AND put your panels & batteries indoors!!!

Thank you so much for all this information. It has helped me alot. Thank you again

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Thanks for all the info!!

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Hope it helps

Good info. Most people will never even look into the details you present.

@TKCL

10 ай бұрын

I feel for them.

1. Metering is highly variable from place to place. Some states still offer one to one net metering. 2. Some states don’t allow local utilities to ask for insurance.. 3. Net metering makes more sense in northern states where we have very long days for a season and very short days in the winter. So that the point of net metering is to use the grid as your battery. 4. The number of panels you need is highly dependent upon the angle and aspect of your roof: a good roof will make each panel efficient. 5. The number of panels you need is directly correlated to the amount of power you use in general. This doesn’t matter if you have batteries or if your grid tied. 6. Installation companies have engineering teams, that efficiently design your system, and crank out a permit and work that they know will pass inspection. 7. he complains a lot about the numbers but doesn’t provide any real math. This is because each house is completely different.

Thanks for doing this video!!

Thanks for the good info

Our neighbor got hit by one of those door-to-door guys and he added a huge array to the back of his home. It pays off about 90 bucks per month in the summer and less in the winter. He was not pleased and has a 30-year payback of over 90K for the system. Unless you go off the grid completely with a large battery bank then tying into the grid does little really. Great video. I will say that our smaller home at the beach has been doing pretty well on the system we put on the back of the roof because, we use a large batter bank, there are not trees in the back yard, and we have a lot of battery bank on the home in an air-conditioned space that is powered by the bank. We generally leave the home on battery power when we are not there and then switch it back to the grid when we go there but we have a timed transfer switch to turn off grid power at night which helps us save.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a good system

Once again, you're analytical mind and research tells the true story that some folks don't seem to get. Like you said, the salesman may sell you a pie in the sky system that is all great but having no batteries is a deal breaker for me

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Me to, that's why I am all DIY!

@richardbowers3647

8 ай бұрын

I'm thinking that if one wants BATTERIES then there has to be installed indoors $ not outside.

@richardbowers3647

8 ай бұрын

Your SP system is indoors!!! Good for you. Most homeowners do not have an indoor shop space for panels & batteries. @@TKCL

Both battery. tech and all in one inverter tech have greatly improved, and prices have come down recently, to where the earlier model of net metering for people on the grid is becoming outmoded. Cumbersome, restricting and overly expensive as you describe. Thanks for raising the net metering cons, especially insurance issues, which some may find like stepping on a mine after the fact.

@TKCL

9 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching

@victorpinzon7865

6 ай бұрын

Very gratefull. Thank you very, very much

I agree 100%. I did the math and the idea that you can sell power back to the grid and pay for the solar system is not true.

Great video and it really hi-lights the un-fair union between the power companies, local inspection divisions and the solar installation companies. Local power companies and inspection divisions make it as HARD as possible for a DIY person to install solar that is grid tied which requires Net Metering. When you hire a company to install solar they have everything 'cookie-cutter' ready and the inspectors and power companies just quickly approve everything. I've personally seen some really 'hack' installations. I live in RI where the rate is a whoping .23 per kwh so a lot of folks are going solar even though they are getting totally screwed on the installation. Typically if you add up the cost of all the hardware, the solar installation companies are getting away with charging 3x that. And worse there is nobody you can complain to.

@TKCL

8 ай бұрын

To make it even worse here, insurance companies are dropping people for having grid tied systems.

You're the only large system user I've heard mention cleaning the panels. It makes a pretty big difference when your panels are dusty or algae covered. It can easily make the difference in whether the batteries get fully charged or only 85% charged on a good sunny day. It makes mounting far less practical.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I can't believe people don't realize how important that is. Cleaning is a normal part of these systems. I easily see a 5-8 percent increase in output after a cleaning off of a thin layer of pollen. This is a huge reason to ground mount. I clean weekly

@amjmmint4786

8 ай бұрын

@@TKCL "Weekly". Underrated and important. I know they are devising a new method using static to keep dust off the panels on lunar modules, it's a whole new chore to drag the ladder out and squeegee the roof. All that engineering and we'll still need to jury rig our own windshield wipers hahaha.

I'm Tampa, FL we have a 25kw system ... 85 panels ... Grid-tied. Our insurance company dropped us with no reason after 3yrs. The new insurance cost us just under 3x what we had. I wouldn't do a large system again. We are building a new extremely efficient home in another state, and it will have a small off grid solar install

@TKCL

8 ай бұрын

I keep hearing these stories, thus the reason I won't put solar in my house. I prefer putting it in my shop that's not on my homeowners insurance.

Very informative. If I had it all over to do again I would have went entirely off grid. Currently building my 4.8 kw off grid ground mounted Solar array. My grid tire system is on the roof.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

I hear this often.

Finally found what I needed to learn. Thank you for this educational video. I fell for this trap and stuck with a 60k solar system with no savings. I want to change the system to non net metering and add battery system. Not sure where to start. But will try

@TKCL

13 күн бұрын

Hate to hear this, seems to be all to common.

Very good video with lots of facts and very instructive thanks

@TKCL

2 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

This was one of the best educational videos that I've seen on the topic. I saw your video on making an adjustable metal stand with hinges on top and I subscribed. Well I live in Indian River County two miles from the lagoon and 6 miles from the ocean. My wife and I have tried to prepare for our family in times of emergency and we loose power after a cat 2-3 storm for several days. Fortunately for my neighborhood and me, we are on the same sub grid that the local high school is on which doubles as an emergency shelter so that grid gets priority for service. So I have a genrac 8kw gasoline electrical start generator that I can plug into the service panel on the outside of my house at the transfer switch. I was disappointed as I thought since it has 220 volt at 30 amps outlet, I wanted to run my water heater but the breaker still trips. However it runs just about everything else I need, several window A/c s lights, fridge, fans, we have county water so no pump to power up. Last month I made the mistake of inviting a solar company to come over and talk. What a slick bunch of sales men and women. They lease the equipment to the customer around $100/month ,contract says 25 year lease. They own the equipment and repair and maintain it and its a " power sell back" type, not battery. My FPL power costs .21cents a kWh. pretty good I think. The problem reared it's nasty head when their "research" company called and said , Oh, we see you house is is a trust for your children. I knew exactly what that meant. if I died and the kids got the house and they somehow default on the lease, the solar company will lean the house but since its in a trust, they can't do that. What scumbags they are, take the house and property from my kids, "get out and don't come back"!!! So I learned all I could about battery backup and solar power. Instead of me building a DIY system, which I could easiy do, I opted for an ANKER portable system with a 200 watt panel that runs my fridge, microwave , lights, fans and one A/C unit. Its an entry level unit but its all there and done, easy peasy. My wife can use the built in handle and move it easily. Its clean, its quiet and charges up either from solar or grid or my gasoline generator. Every year I fill 5 five gallon cans with gasoline for the generator. Its thirsty and runs full bore no matter the load. This year I replaced the carb, plug, air filter , oil filter and starter relay and battery and hour meter. The Generic relay costs $48 so I went to Auto Zone and bought a $11 auto relay like ford used to use. runs and starts easily. I talked with the people at Anker who said I could add on to the system. I'm looking at Renege solar panels being mindful of voltage and current limits. This is a long answer, sorry. You are doing a lot of people a lot of good with your knowledge, thank you so much. Ted in Sebastian, Fl.

@TKCL

5 ай бұрын

That's a topic I wish I had covered in this video, people have no idea the long term commitments they are making with the leases and or financing. Good luck selling your home, what if the next owners don't want your system? Or in your case the company wants your house, this is the kind of stuff that aggravates me to no end. I highly recommend you get a on demand water heater and a small propane tank. They are very efficient and use very little gas. They also use practically no power and work perfectly for a solar system.

@sophiegrisom

4 ай бұрын

@@TKCL One thing to consider with tankless gas water heaters is "min flow" spec. The Bosch I bought (pilot light) spec'ed 0.5 gpm min, but cuts off the flame at 1 gpm so must keep the hot water flow up to not get a long slug of cold water. I attribute to ~58 F ground temp here vs VT, the U.S. headquarters. BIL in N. Florida installed a Bosch (spin-spark ignition) and must keep the hot water flow near max (~3 gpm) for it to not turn off. ~72 F ground temperature there. Even worse in S. Florida and also in Summer.

@TKCL

4 ай бұрын

I'm in Florida and my Rinai always runs no matter the flow, my last house had one that did require more flow than I liked.

Been doing net metering since 2019. Wish i would have put in batteries at the same time but that would have double the price of the system. Electric bill is right around $16 year round, down from around $200. Still paying on system but the down years suck.

Hi Andrew. Thank-you for the time you put into this subject. We are planning on doing net metering with batteries on our property outside of Bronson (FL), but now you having me wondering if doing the net metering will be worth it, along with all the other reasons you mentioned. I don't know if you can PM who your Co-op ( i don't think they want their name in public forum) is because it would save us time of not having to read thru a contract (I do enough of that for work). Thank-you

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

They don't cover your area, I'm familiar with Bronson. You'll need to find the net metering contract for your Coop. The key is don't go with those door to door salesman financing very expensive systems. Do your homework and hire a professional. Make for sure that you size your system accordingly, not making it much larger than it needs to be just because someone wants to sell you extra panels. You're already on the right track doing batteries as well so your system can provide you backup power.

Thanks for the great info

@TKCL

15 күн бұрын

Any time!

Helpfull information to provide for 'food for thought'... :-)

Thank you for this video

@TKCL

9 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching

I love this video, and I have solar systems here in Northwest Florida as well. Like you, I didn't see the point in endless headaches going grid tie. I have two 24v systems. One uses lead acid batteries and is used to run the refrigerator 24/7 and a window air conditioner during periods of excess power production. I have another system using LiFePO4 batteries, and that one runs the entertainment center and lighting. The window air conditioner aids the central system causing it not to run as often. I save about $80 to $100 per month on the power bill. I am adding capability little by little as finances allow. My systems are all 24 volt. In order to save on cable, my battery banks and inverters are located in outdoor shelters under the panel; stands. The only wires going to my home are the 110v and 220v from the inverters. I designed and installed the system myself since all the solar contractors want to do is shove grid tie down our throats. I actually thought about adding grid tie with power usage monitors and limiters to avoid producing more power than I used. I decided against that option as I just add more loads when I add more panels or batteries. Automatic transfer switches are relatively cheap, and they helped me until I got my production and storage where I wanted them. We are energy independent when it comes to necessities, but would have very few luxuries..

I don’t know if anyone else has mentioned this, but earlier power companies were giving customers credit for returning power to the grid, the same amount as the customer would pay for power from the grid. Now many companies have changed prices to give credit to the customers based on the wholesale price the company would pay to traditional power providers.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Correct, my power company also gives wholesale. Even though Florida claims its law for them to pay back retail price. But if you read the fine print there are a but ch of allowed deductions they can take.

Wise words, man!

I am sure insurance companies and those selling solar systems will "love" this video. You should have a home owner consulting company, your knowledge and ability to dive into regulations is stunning:))) Hope bad weather is gone:)))

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

All clear here!

This man is 100% correct on all points and even if you think you are winning with net metering, the electric company will raise your rates.

@TKCL

9 ай бұрын

It's an industry full of misconceptions.

@MrJayallen2004

8 ай бұрын

TECO raised rates, so I added more panels. All DYI, who cares what rules they have. What will they do? Disconnect me? I wish they would.

Here in VA, net metering is 1:1. I send 1 kwh to the grid, my electric bill goes down 1kwh in usage. Also, VA has a SREC program. 1 SREC = 1mwh. I just produced 5 mwh and got paid $135. Cost of my 10.3kw system was $20k(this includes the 30% fed rebate). Batteries just did not make sense for their cost. We rarely lose power. I also asked my insurance company, Progressive, if I needed a special policy to cover my paneIs. They said No. I just might want to increase my policy amount since I just added $28k to my house. I guess it depends on where you live.

@TKCL

2 ай бұрын

You are very lucky

Our local news statio s have discussed some of these problems. They showed it never pays back and they didnt even cover a lot of the items you mentioned. You ignored that they can come out and turn it off whenever they want because they have control. They know exactly what you use. Thanks for this. Very informative.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

I'm for solar, just keep it off grid as intended.

@markeh1971

Жыл бұрын

Hello, they can turn off or reduce your system at any time by varying the frequency. They are there to sell you power not you sell them power. Just go off grid where you can and save where you can. Take care M

Good info sir 😀

I am in FL as well and have had a net metering setup for many years. It has paid for itself a few times over as I did a DIY install. One thing that is getting me just this year is that the homeowners insurance companies in FL are looking for reasons to get out of FL, and using panels to do it. I had one company cancel on me just because I had panels and another double the rate on me so that my panels were no longer cost effective.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Oh wow, I keep hearing things like this. My homeowners insurance went up 60 percent this year. My company told me its due to Florida having the highest level of insurance lawsuits.

@truthlove1114

8 ай бұрын

In florida as well, our insurance didn’t change, we’ve had our panels for 3 years now. However we had them installed and did not do it ourselves. From what I read, the ones that were DIY seem to be the ones being dropped by the insurance companies, I think it’s something to do with the type of meter that was used. I am not 100% sure on this but so far from what I’ve seen this seems to be the case.

@TKCL

8 ай бұрын

I've had many tell me they were dropped in Florida with no reason given other than solar. My gut says the potential for roof leaks and damage is a big factor, not to mention the panels are exposed to easy damage in winds/hail. They just seem to not want to cover it. My solution is to keep my solar away from my house so it's not on that policy.

@chuck1011212

8 ай бұрын

@@TKCL Yes I agree. Funny thing was that the insurance company specifically asked me if the panels were grid tied. They do not insure grid tied, but do insure off grid roof mounted panels. It seems to me that they are trying to protect their liability with regard to line workers with no understanding about how grid tied works, nor that the utility has signed off on each grid tied system before it can be commissioned.

@chuck1011212

8 ай бұрын

@@truthlove1114 They didn't ask me who did my system, nor to see if it was permitted or validated in any way. They simply asked if it was grid tied, which it is and they dropped me. I think they are looking for any excuse to get out of FL. Everyone and their brother has solar here and every insurance company wants to get out..... I am 500 yards from the beach.

I have a friend that installed solar last year. No batteries and on the buy back/credit system to your bill. I asked what good it was if the power went out, you'd still be SOL without batteries for backup. His reply was that he wanted to get enough credit with the power company to run his central AC in the summer and that batteries would cost thousands extra. He has a gas furnace and HW heater. I don't know what he spent for his system, but to me it seemed totally worthless for the initial cash outlay and will never pay for itself. I don't know if he even made the insurance company aware of the installation and it's not my business to question his decisions. What you have done makes perfect sense to me and for far less cost. Your in-depth research into all your projects is fantastic and the way you pre-think your future use scenarios is totally impressive. I am sure you have given several viewers food for thought before they dive in to something! Keep it up young man 👍💜💜

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

I'm sure it's bothered some viewers, but people need to know the truth. I see so many buying ridiculous systems that will never pay back. There are some that it might pay back. The DIY and off grid setups have become affordable enough to justify.

Glad I watched this. I have found it hard to find many answer's in life. Lol. Here in FL as well. Now that I own I'm ready to leap ! About 5kw should get me a little over half way free and clear ! Thanks. Another pipe dream not really feasible....

@TKCL

2 ай бұрын

It makes sense if you go off grid.

Very good video and thanks for telling the truth. It's not what it's cracked up to be. That's the reason i didnt' do net metering i built my system offgrid and connected it to a critical loads panel with a hybrid inverter. When the sun is up my system will tend to batteries, power critical loads and if the sun is not enough it will pull from grid what it needs as a supplement and at night will switch to batteries until a preset level then switch to grid if necessary. I saved a pretty good amount doing it that way and i don't have to deal with the power company.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

That's the way to do it in my opinion.

I want to use the Bluetti EP900 with 3 extra batteries b500. Giving me over 13k to use. I want to install 20 . 550 watt bifacial panels, or wait for the newer tech in panels coming out. Panels may become less expensive longer lasting and cheaper.

Good afternoon. In my area, Windmills are popping up. Ok. 20 yr contract 6 figure a yr pay back. After 20 yrs they remain in/ on the pad, right of way can't be impeded by any means. Landowner is liable for damage hence liability insurance just like you mentioned. Farmers are selling the land by the thousands and keeping the money. What about the kids, their problems we want the money. Too many red flags. I excused myself from the rest of the meeting.

Thank you, very interesting

@TKCL

4 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching

Im in Mississippi and my local power company requires all that you covered making grid tied with interconnect agreement expensive and not something I want to jump through the hoops for. My best opinion was to take a large portion of my home off grid, but with simple transfer switches, I can swap between their grid and my off grid. Luckily, there are no insurance issue s for us and no permits or codes to follow in rual Mississippi.

You summed it up perfectly Andrew... I have researched solar for years. The only way I have seen it viable is they way you are doing it. For the average home owner it takes way too long to recoup the coast. For peace of mind solar is great (if you are the DYI type), however if you spend 30k on a whole house solar system, that someone installs for you... nah. In my opinion it will take way to long to pay for itself.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

The going rate for the install companies around here is $50-60k for a whole home system with NO BATTERIES!!!! YIKES!!!! I can build an amazing DIY system for a fraction of that cost WITH batteries.

@richardbowers3647

8 ай бұрын

But, but the news media says it's FREE!!!

Great debate about this

You covered everything. Those Enphase M215- Micro Inverter were another scams that they can turn off with a signal at the time when there are excess of wind and solar from the utilities connected solar and wind farms making your system useless. The best systems are lifepo4 battery banks with Grid Tie Inverter Power Limiter which use the power from solar and the batteries and use the grid as a back up for when the batteries are empty and there's not Sun shine.

I did pay back calculations on two items. One was my solar that is not tied in to any feedback. And the other was my wood burner insert. Initially I was OK with the payback of 15 years because of the independence it brought me. However, in that time the past 4 to 5 years my energy cost increased so much that my payback is now seven years, crazy. 😅

One can pitch the system pro net metering or pro battery back up. All depends on what you want / need

@TKCL

9 ай бұрын

It truly depends on where you are located and your electric companies payback. Plus your state regulations.

Here in Indiana the power companies are very anti net metering. We are building our home in about 2 years and I plan to go solar with battery backup to capture excess power. I'm not planning on selling back to the grid. In an ideal world I would just have to pay to keep our home plugged into the grid. Gas prices here as well as electricity costs are skyrocketing and taking control of your power independence is the way to go.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

My insurance company didn’t even ask about net metering. Adding the panels to my homeowners policy is $40/year and isn’t a big deal. My system will be roof mounted when installed later this year.

Wow. For me to add a $1M umbrella liability on top of my existing homeowners insurance was less than $100/year. Other than that, for me an independent battery system makes more sense. For my brother in another area where he pays 4x my electricity cost he did net metering and loves it. With his latest electricity price increase he expects to break even in 5 years (ignoring the time value of money, which 2 years ago was pretty small).

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Again my situation isn't for everyone, we have cheap electricity here. My liability coverage had to also cover my buildings and equipment.

@Sylvan_dB

Жыл бұрын

@@TKCL Yes, I'm only on 5 acres with commensurately less equipment and etc. But with home and auto coverage thru the same insurer, the umbrella policy also covers multiple teen drivers in excess of the auto liability. The one thing I didn't cover with liability is boarding horses. Cattle and other animals are covered. Horses are expensive and fragile beasts...

alright homie, you are a genius. such a well made video. unbelievable amount of research required for this kind of stuff when the door to door salesmen make it sound like you don't have to do anything and that's so sketchy wow. i wonder how big of a battery i would need to power my house for 1 week...

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Not saying all salesman are selling you a pipe dream. But around here I'm seeing people being taken advantage and being overcharged. As for your batteries, there are good calculators online to give you an estimate. Look at your electric bill, most show daily average KWh usage.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Those salesman will also probably handle a lot of the engineering and fees as well. The problem is these $50k systems that never pay you back. Do it yourself or hire a company you can't trust to size your system accordingly.

@oksanabear

Жыл бұрын

@@TKCL Thank you for the reply. I keep coming back to your channel because i was out of power for 11 or 12 days after hurricane ian and the sun was out and blasting everyday during this time so i am trying to figure out a way to power my house if this happens again. my bill says i am using 70 kWh per day which i assume would be much lower if i was not running my pool pump, pool heater, dryer, and dishwasher. i also assume running 1 small ac unit as opposed to the whole house ac unit would be a savings on kWh. solar also interests me because of the lack of noise - the generator the house behind us was so loud, we could hear it with our windows closed. the easiest route does seem to be to get a high capacity generator and stockpile 100 gallons of gasoline in my garage. there are so many options i wish i could talk out with but salesmen are always trying to sell their product. ugh, rambling now. again, thank you for the very informative video.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

That sounds extremely high, I'd recheck that. I currently use 18KWH a day for our house. It is very efficient, but 70 is very high.

THANKS FOR THE VIDEO. OFF GRID SOUNDS LIKE A BETTER OPTION. JUST TO REDUCE THE BILL

@TKCL

27 күн бұрын

Agreed

Another thing to consider is that by not having batteries, the electricity that you'll be buying will be peak energy during the evening hours which is the most expensive. Also, as mentioned many of these grid tie systems don't allow you to use your own electricity during power outages even though you have all the solar panels you need to easily run your home.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

When I first learned that a while back my jaw hit the floor. Who would spend that kind of money on this system to not have any backup ability.

@NikeHM69

Жыл бұрын

@@TKCL Me too. But as you said, it's probably political...

@jackonthefarm5540

Жыл бұрын

Incorrect. When you are grid-tied and have net metering, you produce when it is sunny and you buy when it is not sunny. But you get to use credits for when you were producing. The net is typically close to zero.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Most people here use credits in the winter when there is less productivity. That's assuming your electric company allows you to roll credits.

@bobjohnson4512

Жыл бұрын

@@jackonthefarm5540 My coop doesn't play by those rules. They buy it for $0.04 and sell it for $0.12 You are looking at a true net metering system. They are disappearing because you are producing when wholesale power is cheap and receiving when wholesale power is expensive. In our screwy system in Texas wholesale spot prices can hit $0.40 a KW at 6pm in August. If Feb of 2021 the wholesale spot price hit $9.00 per KW for the week.

We purchased a home with 1500 watts of solar and a whole home generator (V8 Cadillac engine basically in a huge box). Our net metering only puts out around 60 bucks per month (on a good month) and our bill is always higher than that since our home is pretty large. We considered adding to our array but our yard is not large enough and I did the math and we would need to cover our entire roof to see any real dent in the bill. Plus, Duke energy doesn't give you the same credit as they bill. It is about 2/3rds or so. Not to mention, when the roof needs to be replaced, I will likely have to remove them and reinstall them after that work is done. I don't recommend them unless you have a small home and plan to go completely off the grid.

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@jackjoshlin

8 ай бұрын

1500watts is literally a microwave running. Who ever designed that systems was not intelligent. With DIY packages around 40k you can do 19,000 watt systems that are capable to run whole home including central ac and includes batteries. Would allow for whole home off grid and sell back ability.

@TKCL

8 ай бұрын

1500 watts is very low, but I'm not putting 19k worth of panels in my yard. That would look horrible. The average system I see around here is 6-7k worth of panels. That's plenty for the average home on sunny days to run and charge. If you have excessive usage, you need to upgrade.

@nst6563

7 ай бұрын

Is upgrading the current panels in your small 1500w system an option? 4 x 500w panels is 2kw.

Great info. Andrew🤓 Been 'preaching' off-grip solution for decades to avoid these utility constraints! Most people are not willing to invest (would buy a new vehicle or pool,etc.) instead of taking intial sacrifice getting free in long run🗽 Note: Those doubters/ complainers repeat false mantra & say... "It takes too long to pay off!" Q. should be: When will you 'pay off '(no longer have) your constantly increasing utility Bills?"...Answer Never!! Better: Solar Electricity will immediately offset increasing utility costs...& Will pay for itself. If you never start collecting suns free energy, you will never benefit🌻🌅🗽

100% it’s exactly like you mentioned it’s where you happen to live & costs of the energy rates that you are charged. Some folks are lucky like Texas cause they can choose their energy provider. First let me say, I’m glad some folks still can find good rates & pay $0.10-$0.15 cents per kw but I live in a extremely expensive area where we have $0.38-$0.75 cents per kw depending on the time of day & season cause summer always costs a lot more of course. I got several bids $85k & above but did tons of homework realizing how inflated some of those bids were so I found a 11.55kw system that produces 70kw daily & saved 75% off the quotes I got. I’m so glad you found out the local companies around you doesn’t want you to overproduce or give you any good types of credits/payback. But it’s not cool with all the restrictions & limitations I am lucky we get 1:1 kw credits but it won’t last forever so in the future I plan to expand my system with batteries & a generator in case it’s a few bad Solar days that can’t charge my batteries.

@TKCL

9 ай бұрын

Your going about it correctly

What valuable information. Thanks. I agree with your assessment. Tell them to go fly a kite...

Very nice video! I am in sorta same situation, My power company does NOT do net metering at all, but pay me only .05 for overproduced, But they also charge me a demand recovery fee of 4.94 per KW size of my system, I have a 11.6 KW system so do the math and that is $57.30. My best on return of selling back my over produced was about $34.00 a mo, It does not even cover the demand recovery fee (crock of chit fee)! I want to know if I can go back to my old 1 way meter and not sell a watt back but keep my solar on my side the meter to charge batteries and run the house and only use grid in emergency when batteries are down and no sun. I have solar edge equipment and 20 KW of solar edge battery. My min bill without using 1 watt of ele would be $92.25, min meter fee, and crock of chit fee! WFE co op is NOT solar friendly at all! and having solar, I am paying a higher cost per KW then before solar! Any help with going back to my old 1 way meter with WFE Co op would be appreciated!

@TKCL

4 ай бұрын

I hate that, we have crazy fees too, although not as high as yours. Your better off with an off grid system with batteries. Only use grid when necessary.

Great points, I have 8kw of panels + 10kw battery (can expand it too) system and make on a perfect day 60kw+ and charge the battery. Currently saving $2k+ a year on power bills on what we were using before! payback in 5-7yrs, powers only going up and daily connection fee... so probably closer to 4-5yrs till break even.

@TKCL

5 ай бұрын

I'm about the same break even time myself, but I keep buying and building 😬

@ausnorman8050

5 ай бұрын

Yes we need to draw a line in the sand eventually lol @@TKCL

$1M in liability coverage range from $165-250/year as a separate rider on the insurance policy. You got a crap quote. Just fyi, the average solar system size in Central Florida is 9-10 kW (about 30 panels). The average system size in Southern Florida is about 7-8 kW (about 23 panels). Finally, electrical cooperatives are notorious for underpaying for the energy sold to them via net metering. If someone is with Duke, FPL, or OUC, they will get the full retail value of the energy. So a lot of what you said only applies to your unique situation and not the majority of people living in Florida. Solar for DIY’ers should be strictly for off grid applications since solar requires a level of expertise to be done properly.

@TKCL

7 ай бұрын

Off grid I agree on, we're all under too many stipulations for grid tied. Not to mention insurance companies are dropping people left and right in our state for grid tied systems. Your off in your insurance assessment, it's because the policy covered my out building, property around it and the liability. That's all required where your solar is located. I'm keeping mine away from the house because of the horror stories of companies dropping so many with solar tied to their home. Not my words, words of many Florida viewers of the channel.

wow thats informative

You just touched the tip of the solar schemes designed to profit off of you. Best thing about solar is a non-grid tied system. Even a system designed to significantly reduce your dependance on the grid takes decades to recoup the cost. 100% off grid systems generally take 30 years or more to pay for themselves. You touched many good points and really only scratches the surface of the "Solar Industry". Only rich California people with million dollar homes enjoy grid tied systems with them feeling so good their EV and their $60,000.00 system is saving the palnet.... LOL

@TKCL

Жыл бұрын

Solar for me is about DIY, building as I go and backup power. Not to say off grid isn't achieved at a decent price. It's these net metering programs that are a rip off.

You are 100% accurate my city in NC only pays back 5¢ per kW produced. They require a bilateral meter & that meter adds 3$ to the monthly bill. My credit comes out to 6$ a month I have a 5 KW system that has so far produced 14 kilowatts in one day. Now I'm stuck with 2 bills wishing I could get out of my contract. Are there any ideas on how I could add a battery backup

@TKCL

2 ай бұрын

Not sure with your system, I would guess it's possible.