'Sofagate': Brussels' anger over von der Leyen Turkey chair snub | DW News
The European Commission on Wednesday reproached Ankara after its chief Ursula von der Leyen found there was no chair for her as the Turkish president sat down to talk to her male colleague Charles Michel.
The incident was quickly dubbed "sofagate," with observers saying the Commission president had been a victim of sexism and treated like a second-rank official.
Von der Leyen was in Ankara with European Council President Charles Michel, to speak to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
Footage showed Von der Leyen gesture in disbelief and utter a surprised "ähm" as Erdogan and Michel took the two center-stage seats that had been prepared.
The Commission head was instead forced to sit on an adjacent sofa, slightly further away from her male counterparts.
She was seated opposite the Turkish foreign minister, who would normally be considered below her in the protocol pecking order.
As president of the European Commission, von der Leyen is head of the EU executive, while, as European Council president, Charles Michel coordinates between the leaders of the EU member states, especially during summits. If anything, von der Leyen's post is considered the more senior and important.
Brussels expects both to be treated with the protocol that would be reserved for a head of government.
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#SofaGate #VonDerLeyen #Turkey
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Ursula: "ehm..?" The guys: "yes, two sugars please".
@A.O.T..
3 жыл бұрын
Dead
@hatrez907
3 жыл бұрын
Çay
@mrkawaii123
3 жыл бұрын
Made my day...
@xxxxxx-rg6qr
3 жыл бұрын
ÇAY
@user-gt1uy9cj6g
3 жыл бұрын
😂🤣
It was a career defining moment for Charles Michel and he failed it.
@martasampaio9134
3 жыл бұрын
I completely agree Antonio!
@olivarionline
3 жыл бұрын
@Je suis non binaire Monsieur yes while trying to explain to the Turkish dictator that Europe values gender identity since it was one of the issues discussed during that same meeting. What he did was the most idiotic non-reaction one could think of.
@martasampaio9134
3 жыл бұрын
@Je suis non binaire Monsieur He weakened the EU. He saw it being insulted and diminished through one of its main officials and did absolutely nothing. Considering that questions of gender were on the table during that meeting....
@olivarionline
3 жыл бұрын
@@martasampaio9134 well said
@patrickbalkany7989
3 жыл бұрын
Sucks, cause the dude was doing quite well so far in my opinion
If Turkey short on chairs, at least Michel should have given up his chair to the senior lady.
@thecomebackking737
3 жыл бұрын
No , he was ahead of here so I believe he done the right thing! Why would he give her his chair? Plus, by the Look of it Mr Erdogan doesn’t want to sit next her 😆
@goodvibes5220
3 жыл бұрын
@@thecomebackking737 You re not serious, are you? Or are you seriously asking why he should have given up his chair??? 1. Common courtesy 2. Solidarity 3. She’s senior to him 4. He should have literally a STAND against the broader issues on display here: not providing a seat for her is an inherent insult against the EU. 5. And most importantly, within the context of Turkey going backwards in time and more and more officially trying to take away any rights women might have achieved over the last decades, Erdogan was trying to show von der Leyen „her place“ = women have to be at a distance from the men center -stage, away from Power, they’re beneath men, they not or less worthy, and more medieval thinking along these lines. His standing up and offering her the seat would have smashed Erdogans entire bs theatre. Are these enough reasons for you?? And Erdogan doesn’t like it? Tough. Bad enough, that half of his country support him cementing his evil religio-fascism and personal power grab. He should not be able to use the EU as props!
@ina268
3 жыл бұрын
@@petitwhite6366 Then Erdogan and Michel are masochists for choosing chairs over a comfy sofa?😂
@LenaLena-ui1pk
3 жыл бұрын
that would happen if there were two turkish visitors, they make sure they offer the seat in the bus
@zulkanainbaharuddin2185
3 жыл бұрын
@@goodvibes5220 what are you mumbling abt. May be turkey was expecting one on one discussion. May be didn't expect 2 people to come. It must be a miscommunication.
I don't understand why this Michel guy didn't stand up and give von der Leyen his chair. That would have solved the whole thing.
@fredmidtgaard5487
3 жыл бұрын
@Sylvester R Agreed!
@jps0117
3 жыл бұрын
Something about the patriarchy.
@cubsfan910
3 жыл бұрын
Why should he? If gender no longer matters & women & men are the "same", there's no reason for him to give up his chair. It's not the military. She doesn't out-rank him. Consequences of the PC world.
@vkobevk
3 жыл бұрын
because european union=coward and fail
@stocko5448
3 жыл бұрын
he knows he will be in her job very soon that`s why.
Ursula: Where is my chair? Erdogan: Where is my sandwich?
@TheJoker-ye9dc
3 жыл бұрын
At least she was allowed to seat on the sofa.
@koshisunuwarrai
3 жыл бұрын
👍😂
@Lizawieta
3 жыл бұрын
W dipie...
@chaseroneeightseven
3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@htxhallitronix1569
3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ursula : ehm Erdogan : tea please
@Kenji17171
3 жыл бұрын
I didm't get
@MoroccanAnwar
3 жыл бұрын
loooool
@herroherrarlee6769
3 жыл бұрын
Best
@artificialintelligence5414
3 жыл бұрын
Roflmao
@enderkarsan
3 жыл бұрын
Der Spiegel wrote the facts behind the scenes: It was a protocol suggested to Turkey by Michel's protocol team. BBC: "The protocol at the presidency met the demands of the EU side. In other words, the seating arrangement was designed to meet their demands and suggestions," Turkey's FM said. In other words: It is a crisis inside EU between Leyen and Michel.
The internet memes of this will be fun!
@rbx22
3 жыл бұрын
EHM what meme ??
@hoebertrabeck1621
3 жыл бұрын
there are not many and they are bad... so no hype
@dinos9607
3 жыл бұрын
@@hoebertrabeck1621 Not at all! They are suuuuperb! There was one with Michel and Tayip sitting and Ursula belly dancing in front of them! Hilarious! But the one I loved was Ursula walking in and carrying her own chair, a camping type one! LOL! Hilarious. She deserved it, both herself and the EU. You know why? Because they tolerate Turks doing so. So yes, Turks are right, Ursula and the EU is wrong to moan. A self-respecting diplomat simply walks out and returns only when the situation is properly addressed and the opponent sorts out his act.
@kciemimido962
3 жыл бұрын
@@dinos9607 you deserved a million hugs
@johnmario9034
3 жыл бұрын
True
Ursula:ehemm! Michel: I think I know her from somewhere.
@biciciabdulkerim7874
3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha
The EU should throttle down the money flow to zero anyway.
@User-iq4rw
3 жыл бұрын
Who cares at this point
@fetusofetuso2122
3 жыл бұрын
@Selma Adela Turkey got 4.5 billion euros from the EU in the last 6 years.
As silly as this may seem, this was a blatant show of disrespect. Call it misogyny, call it what you will, but this was an incredibly dumb move by the Turkish government. Don't think it wasn't done on purpose.
@focast1825
3 жыл бұрын
Erdogan might have learned this when he went to Russia and had to wait for hours to meet with Putin, while facing a painting of Catherine the Great defeating the Ottomans in the late 1700s. 🤣
@absoluteunit3885
3 жыл бұрын
@@focast1825 Hahahahahahaha
@calmondey4214
3 жыл бұрын
@@focast1825 Yeah, I saw it too. This was so good.
@mohammedbaouaisse590
3 жыл бұрын
@@focast1825 That was after Turkey shot down a fighter jet in Syria, Imagine if It was an European country that shot down the jet ,Paris would be a city of Russian federation.
I have heard there is a chair shortage in turkey but a surplus of ottomans
WOMEN: This is an example how women are treated in Turkey! I believe there is better options of countries to be visited!
@thecomebackking737
3 жыл бұрын
Have you visited Turkey before? If yes , how long?
@FuriousImp
3 жыл бұрын
@@thecomebackking737 Numbers don't lie.
@JAMESBOND-cu3ti
3 жыл бұрын
Abiel Zakarias I have already visited several times! But your president is a bad example!
@ramazanceylan366
3 жыл бұрын
@@JAMESBOND-cu3ti you are big ignorant. Women or men equal. Why bring opposite to women? Ursula= Minister Michel= president diplomacy. No interest men or women.
This wouldn’t have happened or at least remedied quickly, if she was a man.
@guidosc3470
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@graveperil2169
3 жыл бұрын
It was a power play by Turkey and they won
@hoebertrabeck1621
3 жыл бұрын
yeah the cute woman on the right is crying too... oh wait its a man.
@hiikinito2277
3 жыл бұрын
TIL other guy on the opposite sofa is actually a female! Honestly the western media does its Job really good...
@pietrozaccherini8837
3 жыл бұрын
@@hiikinito2277 and who is the other guy? is he someone important in turkey? Von der leyen is the president of the european commission and Michel is the president of the european council. They have the same importance and erdogan even treated them as such before, when they were both males (in 2015, search it up). so yeah he just doesn't see women in power as their male equivalents
The lesson for EU officials must be: next time take with you a foldable chair to the countries deprived of basic furniture, hospitality and manners🙄
@kukulroukul4698
3 жыл бұрын
and two bullets
@yes0r787
3 жыл бұрын
But Turkey I well known for beautiful manners and kind hospitality... and you can see they have nice furniture from this video. Something else was at work this time.
@platinum2905
3 жыл бұрын
Under rated comment :)).
@ina268
3 жыл бұрын
@@yes0r787 Well, this time Turkey has sent a clear signal to the world - the country couldn't afford whole three quality chairs🤷♀️
@ina268
3 жыл бұрын
@Aedin Ridmash Yeah, but there's another shortage - Turkey still cannot afford a sofa for its president. Ok, life isn't easy nowadays everywhere, for everyone😦
But MORE SHAME TO EU guy who just sat down and the way he sat down was like teenager NOT high level diplomat
@jmalinowska9040
3 жыл бұрын
he was happy to sit on the chair
@theancientsancients1769
3 жыл бұрын
@@jmalinowska9040 Who would not be happy to be a guest of Sultan Erdogan?
@jmalinowska9040
3 жыл бұрын
@@theancientsancients1769 you are right
@nearpod5207
3 жыл бұрын
why should he get up?
@ggoddkkiller1342
3 жыл бұрын
Charles Michel even rushed forward to grab the chair while you are talking about giving it, LMAO!! Just watch the incident from a little less biased sources than DW...
Michael should have waited for another chair to be brought before seating.
@DerDoMeN
3 жыл бұрын
Or ask Erdy to be a good host and move his butt...
@theancientsancients1769
3 жыл бұрын
Von der Leyen is not equal in rank to Sultan Erdogan 😂 Michel is the one that represents the elected EU head of states and Von Der Leyen represents the Commission the bureaucracy.
@DerDoMeN
3 жыл бұрын
@@theancientsancients1769 Just out of curiosity... Since in democracy I elect somebody and then that person votes against a law that is put in place... Does that mean that the law that only represents the bureaucracy can be ignored from my side as it contradicts the opinion of the person that represents the elected part? :)
@ludgerwinterfanboy4547
3 жыл бұрын
The Turkish foreign minister was also sitting on a couch, so where's the problem?
@Kleinlew
3 жыл бұрын
„Michael‘s behaviour reflects a huge problem of women’s right in European countries.“ This is always the way how a western country judges the rest of the world.
That pathetic dude of the EU on the left (0:40) does not have the balls to correct the situation... What a little man.
@edsed9290
3 жыл бұрын
@timtommersen It goes to show how the EU views Turkey. They acknowledge that they are in a 'grey zone area', where european norms are blurred, and free speech may not be always welcome. In such cases, it is common practice to be as politically correct as possible for the sake of good foreign relations. Of course Turkey and every other 'Turkey' feeds from that.
@lucasgrey9794
3 жыл бұрын
He is actually pretty BADASS.
Michel definitely thought about pointing out the obvious and request an extra chair, but I guess he didn't have the guts to insult the sultan (!) so he just went with the flow like a good EU representative. I mean it's obvious that they go out their way to sustain their already deteriorating relations with Turkey.
The chair-man has not done his job properly.
@graveperil2169
3 жыл бұрын
he followed his instructions to the letter :)
@jehu8822
3 жыл бұрын
Sofaman
EU admitted that this protocol was their request.
@bostaurus1
3 жыл бұрын
Source?
@ea4571
3 жыл бұрын
@@bostaurus1 Just google it. İt may be more difficult to find since an opportunity to attack Erdoğan is precious for Europeans. Apparently this was Michel's trick for Ursula Von Der Leyen
@barnaby4232
3 жыл бұрын
@@ea4571 why would Michel do that though, vdl has alot of connections they probably won't renew his term it's only three years
@joaoconceicao3964
Ай бұрын
Yeah right, I really can imagine Erdogan's staff doing what EU officials ask them to do in their own "house". And past encounters of this kind have shown 3 chairs in the front, so your statement is wrong and you are just an Erdogan fan.
@ea4571
Ай бұрын
@@joaoconceicao3964 You are obviously clueless, you shouldn't worry about things in general.
Now this is an issue that feminists should really care and talk about. Not some childrens books, movies and video games.
@AlexanderMatrix11111
3 жыл бұрын
@@nobordersnowelfare7285 Then see what happened to these feminists camping in morrocco. Good riddance.
I am not surprised at all about how the Turkish side treated her, but I am really shocked about the way her European colleague couldn't care less about the way the Turkish treated her, that tells you a lot about how much the guy shares the Turkish point of view on women. .
@burakboylu3622
3 жыл бұрын
LOL Charles Michael, who is responsible for this, he didnt allow 3 equal chairs in the protekol because he want try to humiliate her, I hope one day you will leave this fanatical perspective.
@s1gmundfr3ud
3 жыл бұрын
@O : I'm not wasting my time explaining anything to you. .
@s1gmundfr3ud
3 жыл бұрын
@@burakboylu3622 : Turkish guy calling somebody else "fanatical". Besides, it was in Turkish territory, the Turkish government decided the setup of the seating arrangements, not Charles Michel. .
@selcuk32adana
2 жыл бұрын
@@s1gmundfr3ud it was a protocol set up by the eu.. why you bark like a dog from south america where human rights dont exist?
@jaeger9374
2 жыл бұрын
@San_Tiago Why do I have the feeling that you are a racist in real life ? Especially towards Turks . I'm guessing
Such a seating arrangement has been arranged upon the suggestions of the EU.These cheap manipulations is not working anymore
@kokojambo4944
3 жыл бұрын
don't tell the westerners anything like context. they will call you a racist homophobe transphobe fascist.
Don't make it a issue even Turkish foreign minister sit on the sofa show the full image of the room.
@martasampaio9134
3 жыл бұрын
The President of the EU Commision outranks any foreign minister, She is an equal the President of the Council who grabbed the chair, that's the reason for the outcry.
@paikuhansensei815
3 жыл бұрын
@@martasampaio9134 But who chosed Von Der leyen? Nobody in Europe elected her to represent them, she is a pupet of the highest financial elites... She does not represent us and the same goes for Junker when he was in her place...
@martasampaio9134
3 жыл бұрын
@@paikuhansensei815 She was elected by the EU Council and ractified by the European Parliament. Many of the highest public representatives around the world are elected indirectly. The President of Germany is elected by the Bundestag, the president of Switzerland by the Federal Assembly, the president of Italy by an electoral college, etc. They all can be called to make very decisive political decisions and their democratic legitimacy was never put in question.
@nearpod5207
3 жыл бұрын
@@martasampaio9134 in what world is some random lady more important than his own country that's ridiculous
@benansanlier4178
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
As a (supposed) European gentleman, Michel should have offered her the chair, and then stand staring Erdogan down until the 3rd chair was brought forward. No matter the protocol, any real European well-mannered man would do so.
@JonasPrudas
3 жыл бұрын
Really? then the well-mannered European gentlemen would be accused of chivalry sexism because of offering a chair. Go to jail for having a dog and go to jail for not having a dog. This is a non issue. EU must get more important issues to deal with.
@AB-wl8kr
2 жыл бұрын
@@JonasPrudas von der Leyen is highest in rank here though.
@AR-gu2no
2 жыл бұрын
@@AB-wl8kr maybe be higher in rank , but obviously no respect , you have to earn it
@AB-wl8kr
2 жыл бұрын
@@AR-gu2no This is a diplomatic setting, not primary school. It's just about following protocol and showing respect to create good working relationships, even if the other side doesn't really deserve it. If you can't leave such pettiness behind, you shouldn't be in this position.
@krazyhorze777
2 жыл бұрын
Gentleman? No you want gentleman again??? Make up your mind with this equality thing
So basically Erdogan and Michael just like : *You seat on the floor or at the sofa woman* , *choose wisely*
@lovemamahouse
3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@fetusofetuso2122
3 жыл бұрын
Next time Erdogan comes to Brussels, they can sit him on a sofa nearby, I suppose that won't provoke any anger.
@asena2180
3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@erbterb
3 жыл бұрын
Following social distancing protocol, the eurocrats themselves imposed on their populations. Sofa or chair, I would rather sit in a sofa. Overpaid paper pushers trying to pump up the jam over nothing. Just rewrite the script, eurocrat were given honorary seat in the sofa. Just like they rewrote democracy with the Lisbon treaty. "Vote as we want plebs, or we vote for you".
From where I see it the European guy was already sitting on the chair. It was his duty to move, but he didn't. So makes me wonder about his intention of not giving her seat
@theancientsancients1769
3 жыл бұрын
Von der Leyen is not equal in rank to Sultan Erdogan 😂 Michel is the one that represents the elected EU head of states and Von Der Leyen represents the Commission the bureaucracy.
@ggoddkkiller1342
3 жыл бұрын
Charles Michel even rushed forward to grab the chair while you are talking about giving it, LMAO!! Just watch the incident from a little less biased sources than DW...
@ASK-ko9qx
3 жыл бұрын
@@ggoddkkiller1342 That makes it even more weirder. How is it Turkey's fault again?
@nero9506
3 жыл бұрын
@@theancientsancients1769 No, Von Der Leyen and Michel have equal powers, the EU burocratic system says so. That's the problem though, the EU doesn't have a defined head of state and therefore problems like this one are pretty common, when it comes to having a figure that clearly represents the Union.
@maazkalim
3 жыл бұрын
Also, the fellow-commenters are claiming that it were the FrenchMAN's people who sent the seating-arrangement plan to the recently-restructured Turkish presidency, "@@nero9506".
I was surprised Erdogan didn’t offer her a seat but come to find out the seating arrangement was done by the EU.
@mikep5609
3 жыл бұрын
Very subtle. Not the Turks I know. Suppose things have changed.
erdogan: let's discuss this over lunch * turns to Ursula * sandwitch? Ursula: yes please. erdogan: nonono, i meant can you make us some?
@lucasrob98
3 жыл бұрын
cringe
@AlexanderMatrix11111
3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasrob98 No its LOL
RESPECT FOR ERDOGAN ✌️🇹🇷🇺🇦
Turkiye knows exactly what they're doing. 😎
Well, he obviously impressed the incels and teenagers in this comment section with this truly statesman-like gesture. Saying this guy runs a country sounds like a bad joke.
@juicyfruit4378
2 жыл бұрын
And trying to promote Van Leyen to that of a president level rep is a bad joke as well.
What a shame for the Europe to have politicians like this, during this tough times
@Jakub.K0
Жыл бұрын
Educate yourself she's a terrible human being
What absolute uncouth ruffians. A gentleman should always give up his seat for a lady. This is appalling behaviour.
@ninjamusic9554
3 жыл бұрын
The "uncouth ruffian" here was Von Der Leyen who spread baseless rumours and lies about Turkey, and she thought she would be welcomed there? Of course not.
@thecomebackking737
3 жыл бұрын
At this day and age , a gentleman giving up his seat for a lady is seen as sexist!
@goodvibes5220
3 жыл бұрын
@@thecomebackking737 No, it isn’t. Courtesy always has a place. Or call it solidarity in this case.
@goodvibes5220
3 жыл бұрын
@Hamza ForChrist yeah, that’s bad enough. But allowing Erdogan to display such sexist, medieval thinking not only reflects badly on him and on Turkey, it also reflects badly on Michel, if he just lets it happen
@Robert-cu9bm
3 жыл бұрын
@@goodvibes5220 She fights for gender equality, he would not give up the seat to another man. So he's treating her equal.
Charles Michel is the biggest disgrace in this affront
Germany 🇩🇪 is the best friend Turkey has in EU.
@sargent4465
3 жыл бұрын
The funny thing is that von der Leyen was told before that she will sit on the sofa in front of the turkish PM. She agreed and came to make a theater afterwards...
Why sean michel did not gave ursula the chair to make a point of how important is she to the EU?
@martasampaio9134
3 жыл бұрын
Because he is spineless and choose to undermine the more important institution of the EU, and at the same time insult more than half of tje population of the European Union, aligning himself with the.....turks!
@ggoddkkiller1342
3 жыл бұрын
Charles Michel even rushed forward to grab the chair while you are talking about giving it, LMAO!! Just watch the incident from a little less biased sources than DW...
If the two men were gentlemen, they would have said “ ladies first “. . The end of male chilvary.
@antoniorsoftware
3 жыл бұрын
Male chivalry is considered sexist these days.
@Etheral101
3 жыл бұрын
'Male chivalry' ...are you a sexist?
@koshisunuwarrai
3 жыл бұрын
Indeed.
@zbigniewsiarkiewicz438
3 жыл бұрын
Women first ,but not in the Arab world ..
@ggoddkkiller1342
3 жыл бұрын
Charles Michel even rushed forward to grab the chair while you are talking about giving it, LMAO!! Just watch the incident from a little less biased sources than DW...
Von der Leyen :" Aähhhhmm." Erdogan:" Not ÄÄhhhmm, go and make me a Sandwich."
There are hundred of thousands issues but news of chairs gone viral and should be resolved according to EU.
@fetusofetuso2122
3 жыл бұрын
yes, indeed, you should be able to afford a couple of chairs as the turkish government, without it being a matter of international mockery
"Please, take a seat." "Ehm... There are only two seats, and you're both sitting in them." "Actually, there are two extra here."
@zbigniewsiarkiewicz438
3 жыл бұрын
In the White House it would be starting because there is only one armchair ...
@mouqarnasdesign9607
3 жыл бұрын
Michel threats like he came with his wife.
@maazkalim
3 жыл бұрын
“threats” against whom, "@@mouqarnasdesign9607"???
@juicyfruit4378
2 жыл бұрын
@@mouqarnasdesign9607 No, he treated her like an equal; if she cannot handle a seating arrangement gone wrong by the EU Protocol Team, that's her problem.
While your on your feet, get the coffee love, oh and a few Turkish delight as well.
@MoroccanAnwar
3 жыл бұрын
loool
@keremakyuz1839
3 жыл бұрын
😂
If she would had been placed according her competence and integrity, she would had taken a seat on the stairs outside.
@onlydblack
3 жыл бұрын
And erdogan in a jail
@nearpod5207
3 жыл бұрын
@@onlydblack that was a poor attempt
@onlydblack
3 жыл бұрын
@@nearpod5207 it's the truth, it doesn't matter if you like it or not.
@nearpod5207
3 жыл бұрын
@@onlydblack not really prove it please
Is she so stuck up that she thought the enormous sofa wasn’t good enough for her? The seating arrangement was socially distanced and whether she likes it or not she is not a head of state
@erminiaseverino7974
3 жыл бұрын
She is more important than the other guy. The place besides erdogan was her place. This is a demonstration of his beliefs.
@ouzd.19
3 жыл бұрын
@@erminiaseverino7974 BS
Ursula was expected to do a belly dance for men, that's why there was no chair.
@maazkalim
3 жыл бұрын
Uh-huh?!?
Corona virs distance 2 m
@fetusofetuso2122
3 жыл бұрын
3 chairs = 6 meters distance. You mean to tell me the Turkish state doesn't have a room big enough?
@fetusofetuso2122
3 жыл бұрын
@Jean Valjean I hear you. I hope so too. Turkey deserves to leap into the 21st century, socially and politically
RESPECT FOR ERDOGAN 🇹🇷
This is what THESE MEN THINK OF WOMEN. It is a reflection of the thoughts 💭 of women.
@guidosc3470
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@dcodework2421
3 жыл бұрын
or they just dont like EU
@benjamindover4337
3 жыл бұрын
He could have asked if she'd be more comfortable waiting in the kitchen.
@blancalicm
3 жыл бұрын
Equal opportunity means she could have rushed to the chair first.
@user-tu5tm6kn6k
3 жыл бұрын
It's just an honest mistake. You're over thinking
I mean von der Leyen is probably one of the most corrupt politicans of Germany and should be sentenced to many years of prison but this affront is just to much disrespect through the second-row-politican Charles Michel xD
'I felt alone' but I thought women deserved no special treatment. Every man for himself, if you're too slow you lose. Deal with it. EQUALITY!
This is not even a real issue.
The protocol layout is set on the EU side. Turkey has nothing to do with the subject. In short, there is no protocol mistake.
@theancientsancients1769
3 жыл бұрын
Von der Leyen is not equal in rank to Erdogan 😂 Michel is the one that represents the elected EU head of states and Von Der Leyen represents the Commission the bureaucracy.
@metinbektas7656
3 жыл бұрын
@@theancientsancients1769 They say the two are equal in the news. Meanwhile error is happening in Turkey. However, Europe, Turkey show like monster. There's a lot of unnecessary slander
Let's face it....€U is not a state. That's basically the sum up of what happened at the meeting.
the man on the right side is also sitting on a sofa. what's the problem? there is the corona virus and everybody should be 2 meters away from other people.
@olgakasciara
3 жыл бұрын
There's a huge difference in their status though. Imagine having the headmaster of a school ( not a great example but you get what I mean) sit side by side to students when another principal visits
How to define EU ? EU is not a state ,isn't it ?
She is no foreign leader at all. The e.u. is no country on its own.
its all perspective :-D a couch is very comfortable maybe a better choice. Note: In Europe kings sit on chairs. In Ottoman empire the sultan sit on a couch :-D
She got to work her way up through the casting couch
@user-gt1uy9cj6g
3 жыл бұрын
😂🤣
They just want to play musical chairs😂
@jl240
3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@eleafy
3 жыл бұрын
The best comment :)
It's clearly EU fault not Turkey. But somehow every media try to blame Turkey on it. So which one between Ursula and Mic have higher hirarchy according to EU law ?
@sargent4465
3 жыл бұрын
The funny thing is that von der Leyen was told before that she will sit on the sofa in front of the turkish PM. She agreed and came to make a theater afterwards...
vdL: "Erm" Erdogan: "On which lap you wanna sit, sweety?"
This is a shameful act , not only on the Turkish side but also by the protocol offices of the EU. However, when the damage was done, Jean Michael should have offered his seat to Ms. von der Leyen! Not as EU president but as a true enlightened man! Gabriella Sipos, a Furious EU citizen
@dansfilms7901
3 жыл бұрын
shush
She should have refused the IDIOTIC behavior by erdogan by standing up until a chair was provided , You must TEACH civility to barbarism,
why did she not sit in that chair? Nobody asked her not to.
Actually the sofa is more comfortable than chairs 😁
@ryeryeryerye
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed tbh
@Guide4Ever
3 жыл бұрын
Its only for 45 minutes. He tried to devalue her position.
@FuriousImp
3 жыл бұрын
You're missing the point, being facetious.
EU is dumb. They were the ones who told staff about how should the protocol have been. Now they're pretending they got surprised
Stop talking with Erdogan!!
I love what ERDOGAN for this treatment
So is she a head of state or isn't she? And if she is, who elected her and how can the people hold her to account?
@graveperil2169
3 жыл бұрын
In the UK she is not even a diplomat anymore
May I ask are these EU "officials" elected by a member state in a election or unelected eurocrats?
@MeteorMetro
3 жыл бұрын
Nobody is elected by the people in the EU. The people can only vote for political entities in the European Parliament.
It was equality because cavusoglu also sat on the couch, it had nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman, but her position
The other EU representative should be ashamed of himself as much as Turkey.
@goodvibes5220
3 жыл бұрын
..if not more so.
Lol EU guy supported Turkish over EU lady lol
They just respected the protocol
As a Turkish citizen I feel ashamed.
@sargent4465
3 жыл бұрын
The funny thing is that von der Leyen was told before that she will sit on the sofa in front of the turkish PM. She agreed and came to make a theater afterwards...
The fact is that in Turkey women are sitting in the kitchen, And she had give tea to two men...
@berkedenishan8916
3 жыл бұрын
where did you get that wrong information
"Well, looks like we're shy of one chair [hehehe]." "You brought two too many..." [Apologies to Sergio Leone]
It has nothing to do with gender, they had equal chance to rush to the seat and Michael won
She should have walked away but then men would say she was emotional!
@kalurank
3 жыл бұрын
Of course she shouldn't...
@Baba-so6fh
3 жыл бұрын
Why didn’t the guy sitting next to Erdogan offer her his seat if it was such a big deal? He didn’t think so as he saw she had a whole sofa to sit on
Well, it has nothing to do with the turkish govt, the. EU commission for foreign affairs has notified the protocols division in the turkish presidential palace that they need only one chair in the official meeting and turks did what they were asked to do.
It was straight forward. Your a woman and your not equal. I’d be pissed as a woman.
@Robert-cu9bm
3 жыл бұрын
Giving up the chair because she's a women isn't equality.
@Tammissa
3 жыл бұрын
@@Robert-cu9bm I’m sorry I don’t understand what your meaning. Nobody gave a chair up for her.
@Robert-cu9bm
3 жыл бұрын
@@Tammissa If they gave up a chair JUST because she's a 'women', that's not equality. Which is what your advocating for, give up the chair because she's a 'women'. You want "equality" that comes with giving up the benefits that are only given to women.
I would rather sit on a sofa than a chair...
Well EU has no intention of giving turkey place in EU... maybe that's the joke
Sexist or mistake, either way it is stupidly wrong.
@graveperil2169
3 жыл бұрын
Power play the EU needs Turkey to be nice more than Turkey needs the EU and Turkey was happy to explain that to them
@4623620
3 жыл бұрын
@@graveperil2169 That's not explaining, only showing in a very rude and uncivilized way !
Erdogan's behavior towards Mrs. von der Leyen matches with the recent events casting away the protection of women in Turkey. Whatever you think about the EU and Mrs. von der Leyen, but this was quite rude indeed.
Her failure to walk out proves massive weakness of the EU.
@goodvibes5220
3 жыл бұрын
He should have walked over, stand behind them between their chairs, towering over them 😝 That would have made Erdogan have a chair brought asap, since surely he wouldn’t have wanted a woman commanding the scene
Well if she's able to incite to wars and armed conflicts she may as well be able to bring her own chair. God, I hate this woman.
Ursula: Ehm!!! Erdogan: French Vanilla.. Other dude: Hot Chocolate...
😂😂😂 Shows how important they think you are 😂😂😂😂
@vascocastro2017
3 жыл бұрын
its Not a matter of thinking. Shes one of the Most Powerful women in the World, way more Powerful than Erdogan. But since Shes Not a Dictator, She dint threat him or anything.
Thank God they didn't ask her to make pasta for them
@adamowen6226
3 жыл бұрын
She is a bad cook anyway!
it's Erdogan's message "You belong to the kitchen, like my wife!"
@khadizarezae6799
3 жыл бұрын
No . His voice was that lady should be seated where she belongs. If that so what ur telling then look Ak party has much women members then others .
@enderkarsan
3 жыл бұрын
Der Spiegel wrote the facts behind the scenes: It was a protocol suggested to Turkey by Michel's protocol team. BBC: "The protocol at the presidency met the demands of the EU side. In other words, the seating arrangement was designed to meet their demands and suggestions," Turkey's FM said. In other words: It is a crisis inside EU between Leyen and Michel.
Michel should resign!
That was with intention
i can't stand von der leyen, but bruh, that was rude
@vercoda9997
3 жыл бұрын
She seems a poor leader at the moment, but That was a deliberate, calculated slap in her face, and the EU’s face.
It is EU protocol nothing about Turkey.
Damn so the europeans did that on purpose!
European union needs to mind their business
Once we went to war over a bucket! We may have progressed to sofas!
@puraLusa
3 жыл бұрын
LoL best analisis so far 😂 thanks
Mevlut was also sitting on a sofa, so what?
Von der Leyen has been demoted to coach potato