Chapters: 0:00 Intro 1:37 Tip #1: Over-Reading and Predicting 3:08 Tip #1: Over-Reading and Predicting (What to Do Instead) 4:27 Tip #2: Secrets Running in the Background 5:43 Tip #2: Secrets Running in the Background (What to Do Instead) 6:41 Tip #3: Over-Talking 7:38 Tip #3: Over-Talking (What to Do Instead) 8:43 Tip #4: Assuming They Know 10:22 Tip #4: Assuming They Know (What to Do Instead) 11:10 Tip #5: Over-Sharing 12:15 Tip #5: Over-Sharing (What to Do Instead) 13:33 Tip #6: Blurting Out 14:26 Tip #6: Blurting Out (What to Do Instead) 15:26 Final Thoughts 16:33 Outro

@jadenbailey2637

3 ай бұрын

Hey Patrick! I was listening to a video while I made dinner on self-sabotage that you did I believe with your mentor, and I recognized in the role play between the inner adult and the inner child that I found myself feeling semi-triggered by Amanda(I think that’s who it was) and how she spoke to the inner child in a way that was so compassionate and understanding. The reason why is because I felt like if she were speaking to me in that moment, she would be talking “down” to me like I was not emotionally able to handle the conversation. That seems like it’s a harsh judgment, but growing up I recognize that a good bit of my autonomy and ability to grow into individuality was stifled by my mother trying to do everything for me and by my father expecting treating me like I was less mature than my age. I was expected to be more mature than them, but treated like I was significantly less mature than your “average” 9-15 year old. Even until I moved out of the house and after that, honestly. My question is, do you have any videos about navigating this issue? How do I speak as an inner adult to my inner child in a way that is compassionate, loving, and validating in a way my emotions did not receive validation without also triggering a feeling like I’m being talked down to or treated as less intelligent because of it? Edit: I feel it is important to note that at the time of writing this comment I am about four days past sending my no contact letter to my parents. There are many, many fresh emotions and so many things I am just now discovering I have felt inside for so long. Those feelings are informing some of what is happening here, and it’s entirely possible those feelings are affecting my perspective or interpretation of what Amanda said. Nevertheless, I felt it was an important question.

@JKDVIPER

3 ай бұрын

That I was very helpful. Lots of good tips on that one🤘🏼😎

My biggest fear is bothering anyone. That has so much weight in my anxiety. Assume everyone is bothered

@birdbird1

4 ай бұрын

Ah yeah me too. I find i go through lifes struggles alone to make sure I'm not 'burdening' anyone this infact hinders my relationships but i dont know any other way. X

@mizelle4096

4 ай бұрын

Same here. It all comes from everybody starting out their response with “I’ve been so busy. “ it feels like They’re basically telling me that they’re too busy to deal with me. Or that they’ve decided they can tolerate dealing with me for a few minutes, so they respond. I’ve stopped reaching out to these people and guess what. They never check in with me.

@HereForTheCatContent

4 ай бұрын

Well I don’t think it’s completely an “us” problem, with the number of people acting like even small, basic interactions - even from supposed friends - are such a crushing burden on their energy and “peace”.

@troysanders915

4 ай бұрын

Offenting people

@oliviacadena2036

4 ай бұрын

❤️🩷🧡💛💚💙

The "you hate me" in the thumbnail is what gets me. I always jump to that thought. Fear of people hating me

@lq6424

4 ай бұрын

Yes! I just reached out to someone this morming, so I can book their service, and they haven't replied... I've been thinking about it all day. Perhaps they don't like me and don't care to have my business. But I also tell myself, if they choose to ignore my message, maybe that says more about them than me. It's so hard. I have PTSD and I was SA'd and neglected as a child. I truly wonder if perhaps I'm overthinking stuff.

@CareyCommentary

4 ай бұрын

Me too!

@gabrielle-AV-n-PFloyd

4 ай бұрын

Me too

@lisabeaumont

4 ай бұрын

“Go into a social situation as just you, not what happened to you.” This is so helpful. For me, I could use, “Go into a social situation as the person your friends like, not what your mother thinks of you.” I’ll remember that, thank you.

@dio69666

4 ай бұрын

I'm the opposite

I find myself going from one extreme to the other. Either I share way too much or completely shutting people out. There's no in between.

@jewels2149

4 ай бұрын

This struggle is real.

@peacerun

4 ай бұрын

Same for me

@llkellenba

4 ай бұрын

That happens 😓

@legendgamer676

4 ай бұрын

When your inner adult comes online you really start to find a great balance between the two. Keep journaling and keep practising healthy habits and you will find yourself feeling more relaxed socially as time goes on! It’s a long road to recovery but you can do it!

@jujubean914

4 ай бұрын

💯

Its so embarrassing when im sharing what i think is a mildly amusing anecdote and the other person tells me they are sorry that happened 💀 that was not the intended vibe i meant to bring

@nyarparablepsis872

2 ай бұрын

So much this >

Love the recent reel on children being told they don't have common sense by abusive parents who have no awareness of child development, communication skills, or the need to explain things to people. People aren't mind readers, and children especially aren't so.

@Lushawnalu

4 ай бұрын

Preach! 👏🏻

@chlldavefromsd7862

4 ай бұрын

yeah, I was publically humiliated by my parents for failing to live up to unspoken standards and with no training-talk about a no win situation-and as a kid that processes as i’m less than everyone else. thank you for acknowledging that aspect of patrick’s wisdom!

@elleryan9196

4 ай бұрын

Omg - that was my Mom's mantra about me from toddlerhood on. I haven't listened to this yet, this comment just jumped out at me... She not only said it to me, she found opportunities to bring it up alllll the time in conversations with others - even people we were just meeting in passing... I had no idea that was a thing! Can't wait to listen to this

@tommiller3017

4 ай бұрын

I heard this one as a qualifier to something good. Mom would say, "You're very bright, but you have no common sense."

@fighttheevilrobots3417

4 ай бұрын

My mom's catchphrase is still "common sense is not common". She was the only one who had this innate skill. My father and I lacked it, in her eyes, and so we were lacking

“Be gentle with yourself.” Easy to say… challenging to practice.

@marylouleeman591

4 ай бұрын

God loves you and has a good plan for your life.

@farisluqman4520

4 ай бұрын

@@marylouleeman591 sometimes i question and doubt why such a thing even occurred in the first place if that was gods will and intention

@TruffleSeeker54

3 ай бұрын

Sometimes I try to view my situation as if I was just an outside observer, looking at a stranger. Would I judge that stranger just as harshly as I judge myself? If the answer is no and I am being too harsh, then I know I'm not being reasonable. I'm holding myself to a higher standard that I wouldn't hold someone else to and I need to bring my expectations down to a normal level.

@janettewong9900

3 ай бұрын

Yes and: It gets easier the more you do it ❤

@mr.guydude

3 ай бұрын

We must become our best friend, because our best friend loves us, supports us, doesn"t give up on us, and most importantly, doesn't lie to us. They help us become our best self, by making us face our own darkness, one step at a time.

The thing that drives me the most crazy is not knowing when or how to jump into a conversation with several people. By the time I spot a moment to jump in, the discussion has moved on and my comment no longer applies. I think a big part of my awkwardness in general was NPD parents who really didn't socialize so I was never around normal conversations.

@rosalba3701

4 ай бұрын

I totally relate! That happens to me all the time.😕

@momikal2238

4 ай бұрын

I decided I’m a listener. This is brutal.

@momikal2238

4 ай бұрын

Oh one more thing. I deliberately try not to have group conversations. I decided that it’s the pacing I can’t handle. I can do quite well with one person but I can’t get the timing with two or more people. It’s just so much easier to not take the bait and catch people at a different time. Meanwhile, I’m like this. Big smile and a “Good morning, y’all.” Then, quickly go into my classroom. Later dudes.😂

@ellanina801

4 ай бұрын

I literally raise my hand (awkwardly of course). This is where I always try to make room for other people in a convo that I’m being a dominant talker if I can. That sort of leads by example because I’ve noticed when I’m not being a dominant talker, my friends will make room for my comments also. But like the other person said, sometimes just listening.

@amyjennings2343

4 ай бұрын

This is an also an autistic trait! Experiencing the world as an autistic person has a lot of similarities to a trauma experience - it can be experienced as trauma. An interesting one to think about.

It’s after a social event , party, whatever that my anxiety is unbearable to deal with, not just during. Continuously re playing over my mind dumb things I said or saying something embarrassing faux pas stuff. It haunts me days after. I literally run off and quickly do anything to take my mind off a random past memory that creeps up of some social conversation, years after in happened! It is so crippling. I try my best to go with the flow in a social situation however my body reacts before my mind does, so I end up fidgeting, then I become aware of myself even more, try to act normal, smile along, make eye contact, nodding away in agreement, even though I have no idea what conversation is about. I’m lost when I’m around people, but feel at home and at peace when I’m alone.

@macie_key

4 ай бұрын

This is me all my life

@Numina_

4 ай бұрын

Me too!!! I expect it now and make myself a safe place to process. I make sure I have food and tea. It can take a few days sometimes. I’ve learned that the intensity always passes.

@GBmont511

4 ай бұрын

@Opinionatedcancer I worked in customer service too, for 20 years! I loved my job and the time I was working there, my confidence greatly improved, however the feeling of unworthiness was always there in the background from having my self esteem destroyed by teachers since infant school, (undiagnosed adhd) that I can never shake off. I’m in my early 40’s now, and in all that time, I have learned, observed and took stock to understand one thing. If you show any vulnerability or weakness to colleagues, friends and even your own family they will use it against you later on. Sad, I know. I can only count three people in my life who I can talk to with trust. Patrick stresses in his videos to speak to a safe person who you trust. That is so important in mental wellbeing. As far as I can discern there is messed up people everywhere in all backgrounds who are willing to take you down to get an inch ahead. Dog eat dog….🙄 I’m at point in my life where I am tired of masking, to be accepted in social circles. I’m not playing a role anymore. I have learned I enjoy my own company and I accept who I am. That’s all that matters. I’m simply not a social creature wanting to be accepted and liked.

@fighttheevilrobots3417

4 ай бұрын

​@@Opinionatedcancer my partner has worked in customer service for about 5 years. He wins awards for his performance. I did the same job and lasted 6 months and had a total mental breakdown.

@Foodstalker555

4 ай бұрын

I can relate to everything you said especially feeling the most safe when I’m alone and at home.

When I’m in social situations, I completely shut down and don’t talk. I don’t know what to say and assume people don’t like me. I wish I could be talkative and social but when I put myself in those situations it doesn’t usually go well

I deliver pizza. At least once a day I get someone who says Thanks You Too when I tell them to enjoy their meal lol

I’m 3 months into a new job & find working in an office to be overwhelming because I’m scared of everyone, yet want to fit in with everyone. It’s terrifying and exhausting at the same time.

@mntccd

3 ай бұрын

Yes!! Absolutely exhausting. Not to mention doing the actual work

@bonbon0416

Ай бұрын

I feel this so much. You are not alone. Thank you for sharing. ❤

@whatever-lv1ze

28 күн бұрын

you are very brave

@melaniejane3116

26 күн бұрын

@@whatever-lv1ze cried for about 30 min after work today, I really appreciate ur comment

I am still over talking and over sharing and think this is a reaction to feeling invisible and ignored. Even though I’ve been aware of it for years, I still do it in stress situations.

@Nvrsettle111

4 ай бұрын

I appreciate what you are saying. I get triggered when folks talk over me. It feels much like my childhood when I had no voice. I haven't mastered a solution to theee types of situations.

@TimetoWonder222

4 ай бұрын

I do too when I talk then shut down or I don't talk at all because I'm afraid I will. LOL like both don't make it weird and awkward.

@hbennett5640

4 ай бұрын

I understand that. It's as if someone takes over in your mind and after, you think, did I say all that? I grew up the last of many many children and I was naturally shy but also felt invisible, even though I had loving parents.

@stephanieparker1250

3 ай бұрын

I find that I’m over talking because it doesn’t allow the other person time to think about it they like me or not.. it doesn’t allow time for them to say/do something that will make me have a negative reaction/feeling. Which of course is not the right thing to do but it’s a defense mechanism 😖😖

@Liza-ch6wh

3 ай бұрын

Yes, same 😢😢❤

I feel like I needed a #7: jumping in with stories about myself in response to when other people share so that it sounds like I only care about myself. I've read or heard elsewhere that this is the inner child's response to wanting to be heard so desperately that we finally feel like we get a chance to speak. Heck, maybe that was another PT video. But I distinctly remember having a conversation like this in college where my roommate very nicely said, "This isn't about you," and I was just crushed. I was just trying to relate, not dominate.

@owlexS

4 ай бұрын

(as I jump in to contribute how your comment relates to me haha) My partner does this quite a lot. I get the feeling she wants other people to feel that she's actively listening and relating, but also showing that she understands what the other person is feeling. It can big time come across as one-upping and bragging. I know she doesn't mean it that way, but it's painful to watch sometimes.

@elisec9530

4 ай бұрын

It's also a neurodivergent thing. We tend to communicate by relating and expect others to build on what we say and move the conversation. It's collaborative. But the other major communication style wants to take turns expressing interest and asking questions about what the other person says. To me it is so tedious and feels so forced

@steggopotamus

4 ай бұрын

I think what helps is learning to frame it. "the worst that ever happened to me was x" and practice keeping it short then relating it back "it was similar to you so I can see why that's hard for you" .But also, maybe that person isn't the right fit for you. I get along great with people who share stories, and it's weird for me when stories aren't just shared all the time. There's one guy I know who when his "best friend" had a really bad day kept saying "you think that's bad, my day had xxxx happen" and xxxx was nothing compared to his "best friend's" experience. That's one upping.

@mizelle4096

4 ай бұрын

I also agree that I think we do this to show that we are listening and can relate to the pain they’re going through. I find when I am really itching to share My story is when I really need to just be quiet and focus on what they’re talking about, my story can wait as I’m not experiencing it now

@rachels.8051

4 ай бұрын

(Doing this now, here, in this post:) I had a conversation with my partner about how he would get frustrated when I’d tell him “I understand” or “yeah, I felt that way too when this happened to me…”. We had to figure out that his typical responses “I’m sorry you feel that way” or “I’m sorry that happened to you” were reminding me of my parents dismissing my feelings. It always felt like “shut up and get off the phone now” when he said that, instead of relating to the experience I’d had. For me, I feel comforted knowing I’m not alone - so knowing someone else also experiences the feeling I’ve had is comforting and validating, whereas my partner wanted me to appreciate his experience without trying to relate to what he was experiencing (he didn’t need me to validate his experience, he needed to express it and have it be heard. And yes, I’m neurodivergent. Edit to add: I’m not trying to make it about me; but if it were me, I’d like to know I’m not alone, so my way of expressing that is by sharing when I’ve felt similarly to show you you’re not alone. Hope that makes sense.

Thank you Patrick for helping me (now in my 50s) finally start taking the training wheels off. Social gatherings are such torture, my mouth diving into over-talking and over-sharing, while the rest of me is looking for a chair to crawl under ... this video is going to be such a lifesaver, I can already tell!

@goodenoughgirl8102

4 ай бұрын

I can totally relate.

@rachelmcgill8143

4 ай бұрын

​@@goodenoughgirl8102me too

@TeaRose9

4 ай бұрын

Same.

@marylouleeman591

4 ай бұрын

Training wheels off!! I love that!

@momikal2238

4 ай бұрын

Yes. I’m looking for the family dog. I find relating to their pet to be much easier.

I do the overtalking and feel so stupid afterwards oh my god. I think it is because I want to make sure I am understood because I've been gaslit so much

@doris2755

4 ай бұрын

First overtalking and then overthinking... I sure do that

@cynthiaforsythe8989

4 ай бұрын

Oh that makes sense to me!

@hannahh8696

3 ай бұрын

Yes!

As the Ghost trauma personality type, I can't wait to see this 🥲Even writing this comment feels awkward

@gwboys

4 ай бұрын

I left a comment… rewrote it like 5 times. I can totally relate.

@SatanenPerkele

3 ай бұрын

Fellow ghost here. Let's throw a party at the local cemetery.

I was having an evaluation with my much younger boss a few years ago. I said, "I grew up in the same town as Kurt Cobain, but" and I intended to say that I was much older than he was but instead I said, "I didn't kill myself."

@ingerlodberg1335

4 ай бұрын

❤

@platzpropeller858

3 ай бұрын

you can't just stop right when it becomes interesting what happened then?

@DiegoSanchezsnrie

2 ай бұрын

❤

@flam_buoy

2 ай бұрын

well, I’d find it morbid, but funny!

@christiespero1066

2 ай бұрын

@@platzpropeller858. He just said, “Yeah, you are sitting here talking to me so you didn’t kill yourself, obviously.”

I was just tripping for the billionth time about how people are repulsed by me. Even though I have no evidence that I am currently hated,I still can't convince myself that I am safe

@mntccd

3 ай бұрын

I get this so much. The only logical conclusion I can come to is that I’m repellent in some way, right? What else can possibly explain it?

@gbluesky4264

2 ай бұрын

​@mntccd Thank you so much for your reply!You really helped me today and warmed my heart..All good things to you

i wish all the people in the comment section could meet and become friends... it would be cool to hang with others who deal with this and create safe places with each other.

@mntccd

3 ай бұрын

Agree.

Wow this is a very specific comment but I think that’s the first time I’ve ever heard someone say that there’s nothing wrong with being shy

Exteeme fear of being perceived. Used to drink heavily in early twenties to try and "be like other people." Then people told me i talked too much, was too weird, etc when i was being more myself openly unmasked. I stopped drinking and have been isolated at home since covid and became chronically ill right before that and i am fully unmasked around my husband and sober. But i still have so much fear of being around people in public and shame spirals of saying or doing something stupid.

@jclyntoledo

4 ай бұрын

Yeah but I think that may be something mostly ppl who are neurodivergent have. Not entirely sure it's trauma related per say.

@aprilg4116

4 ай бұрын

@jclyntoledo I also have a lot of childhood trauma/boomer angry parents that wouldn't allow me to be me so that didn't help, but yes, I am also neurodivergent

@TMcLure100

4 ай бұрын

@jclyntoledo I was told I was neurodivergent because of the overlap of these sort of behaviours/feelings but it never felt completely right - it was when I found Patrick's channel somehow that it all fell into place. I'm a screw up due to childhood trauma, not aspergers.

@Numina_

4 ай бұрын

@@jclyntoledoa lot of neurodivergent kids develop cptsd. It’s often both,

@rachels.8051

4 ай бұрын

I used this exact phrase earlier today while talking to a friend: “hatred of being perceived”. I know how to be silent and shy and quiet and boring at work or I can be more myself and honest and open and weird in the social situations I attempt. Either route seems to annoy someone.

Thank you so much 😊 I feel that I belong to this community of people healing and being triumphant over their childhood abuse. I am 70 years old and it healing to hear your comments. Thank you.

@pennienglert5771

4 ай бұрын

I'm 72--feeng the same.

I grew up in a family with a lot of "secrets" and isolation. I feel like I'm always awkward in a way because I didn't really learn what normal or healthy social interactions looked and felt like at an early age. I tend to keep people at arms length and have a constant neutral outer facade, but deeper emotions inside. I'm much more likely to be surprised that someone can tell what I'm thinking and feeling with very little expression. . .

The biggest factor I've found that's helped my crippling social anxiety is how I feel about myself. Knowing that I'm good enough no matter how awkward or misunderstood I am in social interactions. Lately there's been so much less weight around what strangers might think of me and that's helped me to feel more calm and comfortable talking. I feel like my smiles are more genuine, it's easier to say kind things and just have more pleasant interactions. I notice others' anxiety more too and it's easier to lessen the tension (while not taking responsibility for their feelings). Knowing my worth has taken years of work and is still a work in progress but things are finally feeling easier. I'm knowing I deserve to feel confident, and finally looking for proof of that, rather than looking to confirm that I'm bad and wrong, and should feel bad and avoid people. I'm also late diagnosed autistic/ADHD and learning about those social difficulties has helped me to understand and have much more compassion for myself. I'll probably always seem weird or be misunderstood at times, but I am weird and I love myself for it. They don't have to know I'm autistic for me to know I'm valid in the ways I exist and interact. I'm a good, kind person and I'm always doing my best to be kind and considerate to others, I finally know and trust that about myself 💖 Also learning to treat the more negative social interactions/mistakes as loving/constructive lessons rather than shame spirals and proof that I'm bad. It takes time and repetition but it's getting easier and mistakes are a lot less scary and overwhelming ✨

@binesart

3 ай бұрын

Thank you fellow ND, well put, relate

@JuneJuneyJunJune

3 ай бұрын

I can relate.. whenever i feel the debilitating and spiralling cycle of shame (due to awkward social interaction or negative events), i find what helps is finding things in my life, or in myself, that makes me feel good. And that can be anything; like having a genuine laugh with a coworker, sharing a genuine positive moment with someone, and realizing how fortunate i am for being alive.. And this is most important; u wanna find anything in your life that boosts your self-confidence and esteem. Because the main thing we lack is self love and self acceptance, when we accept (love) our shame and deficiencies, for example i say to myself okay i just had an extremely embarrassing moment happen today, but i fully accept myzelf and would do not run away from it thr next day, i would face it, and accept any shame that comes up, i would even welcome it. And that acceptance i feel really helped.

@babygorl9541

2 ай бұрын

@@JuneJuneyJunJunethese are such great tips. thank you so much you guys 😭😭😭 - someone who is still healing ❤️‍🩹

@Treebard

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for all the comments in this thread. Helps a lot!

Oh gosh, I go for daily walks in the same park with my dog. The other day I felt so depressed because other walkers didn’t acknowledge me or my dog at all. I was very friendly to them and over talked but they didn’t reciprocate. I felt odd and weird for talking to their dogs and to them. I also got upset when a man didn’t say hi to me when I said hello to him. I immediately thought that he thought I was fat and unattractive. I’m extremely sensitive to other’s opinions and responses. I know I’m depressed. I wish I could get over what other people think of me.

@mntccd

3 ай бұрын

I feel like this in the office all the time. That feeling of being invisible and utterly alien at the same time. So draining.

@whatnextincomo

Ай бұрын

You sound really wrapped up in yourself. Where I live it is normal for strangers to greet each other when crossing on a path in nature or in a narrow street in a small village. Often it just happens spontaneously. When places get busy, this can feel tiring. But it is important, societally. This is in Italy and the French part of Switzerland. As a woman, I do not greet men first when passing one. That’s because I deem it more appropriate for a gentleman to greet a lady first. Others might be more socially awkward than you, or somewhat rude, if they ignore a hello from you. Making yourself your main focus is a pity and so short-sighted, perhaps you need too much validation from others instead of just being genuinely you, enjoying being yourself, your walk and your dog.

@theclumsyprepper

23 күн бұрын

I can tell you from experience that not caring about other people's opinions comes easier with age. I'm in my early forties now and only care about the opinions of those closest to me. Just give yourself time and you'll get there.

I over-talk SO much because it feels like I just want to desperately be heard and seen. I feel so much shame afterwards because I also excessively explain all the details that didn't need to be explained and the person is just like "uh huh.. ok" 😅

@babygorl9541

2 ай бұрын

omg i’m this exact way 😩

@Treebard

2 ай бұрын

I've realized that often, when I tell stories, I'll go into too much detail about things that I don't need to go into so much detail about! I really try now to just tell the basics and leave out some of the details, because they're not necessary! And they're boring to people! Lol😂 (I put myself in the other person's shoes and imagine listening to the story -- "is this detail necessary?" Usually the answer is no.)

I undershare but I really have nothing going on bc I’m so traumatized. People accuse me of being distant

@dio69666

4 ай бұрын

My ex wanted me to be a plug for him because he grew weed. I told him I have no friends and don't talk to anyone. He didn't believe me. He said because I was a young attractive woman that couldn't be true. But he found out it was when he would give me large amounts of weed and I'd end up smoking it all and have no money for him

@74GenX

4 ай бұрын

I am a big guy. In the marine corps they referred to me as the silent giant. I can't tell you how many people have commented over the years how quiet I am. I'm 50 now and I spend 90% of my time alone because I have accepted myself as who I am. I enjoy spending time with and talking with my 2 friends. I've always been quiet because speaking in childhood could cause severe physical pain from my mother. I did everything I could to be invisible as a child. I still careful monitor my speech in every situation.

@tishahope2222

4 ай бұрын

⁠@@74GenXI have always been told how quiet I am too. I hate when people ask me why I’m so quiet as if I know the answer to that! I never experienced physical pain and I’m so sorry to hear you went through that, but I’ve always been a quiet person. I don’t know where it comes from. It’s so frustrating. I know that’s not the real me (in my case) but I can’t seem to show the real me with most people.

@74GenX

4 ай бұрын

@@tishahope2222 I don't believe that being quiet is who I truly am either. I believe that it is an unhealthy coping mechanism to keep me safe based on my childhood trauma/cptsd. I am begining PTSD treatment again at the VA soon. Hopefully, this time, at 50 years of age I will be ready to face it and work through it. If and when I have found a person or people throughout my life who have been kind, compassionate and who actually cared about and listened to me, I find that I am quite the chatterbox because I feel safe and because I know that they are actively listening to me. I've always been told that I am a great listener. Ever since I was a teenager people have been coming to me to vent and cry/ release their pain. Friends, complete strangers. People seem to be able to sense that I am safe and will listen. I take it seriously and I feel blessed to have this God given ability for empathy. I didn't understand it until I was 33. A counselor explained it to me as a gift rather than people using me. I definitely understand people asking why are you so quiet as if we are some kind of side show circus freaks because we are not the average extrovert. I am extremely grateful that I don't need social interaction to be satisfied. The best introvert explanation I have heard is that extroverts are energized by socializing and introverts are drained by it and need alone time to recharge. I love socializing with select individuals. A couple of times a month for an hour or two 😜😂

@Treebard

2 ай бұрын

All you quiet people, I used to be like you, but now I overshare! I think both behaviors come from the same source! Being told (overtly or covertly) in childhood to shut up! I know I overshare about movies I love, but I DO think one that helped me might help you: "Harold and Maude". The music alone is great: "If You Want to Sing Out, Sing Out", for example.

I have a hard time making friends and want people to like me, so I tend to overtalk and at times, overshare, due to my anxiety and desire to connect. Then I get mad at myself for it. Thank you for explaining how to keep working on breaking this cycle.

@elleryan9196

4 ай бұрын

Right there with you.

@theclumsyprepper

23 күн бұрын

I know how that feels.

Thank you for this video. Really thought-provoking. Another issue that comes up is under-sharing. by freezing or feeling that no one would really be interested in what you would have to say and therefore saying very little. I find that rather than talking, I ask questions of the other person - having them do all the talking. You leave a "conversation" with the other person doing all the chatting and you saying almost nothing. This awkwardness leaves you feeling rather invisible.

@Sara-uq6km

4 ай бұрын

Yes! This is exactly what I do

I got both from my parents. The world is full of rainbows and unicorns and they gave me overwhelmingly good reactions, but then when I didn't measure up to their expectations, they said why can't you be more like us. So I think my wires are crossed. Anyway, it makes me very anxious and also very germaphobic.

There's also... lying? Not the lying of "I don't want to get in trouble", but more the story telling of "I'm boring, so I have to fib to seem cool". My worst and most persistent maladaptive trait was 'spicing up' the truth; implying hobbies I had no interest in, making up a more interesting personal life, fabricating dates and partners. I'd guess what they'd want to hear, or how I would write the events like it were a book. So I struggled either with getting caught, or only having surface level relationships built on a character of myself that I had to maintain.

My feelings of inadequacy are so big that literally makes me shut down . I started a new job and I can’t really function well there , I am feeling extremely shy . All my life has been like this , I used to drink and I could have fun going out but i quit it now I am struggling to be in social situations . I am in a risk of loosing my job I guess . O matter my efforts it seems that I cant overcome it

I get this 100% and have struggled with it. Also… There are a lot of miserable people out there that are exhibiting judgmental and narcissistic behavior that is real and not imagined. I’m glad that I have some of the hyper vigilant radar and balance that with pausing and giving the person a chance to get to know them and see patterns overtime. I love that I know how to create boundaries now. Some thing I never even knew existed or that I was allowed to have. It’s still a challenge but after doing a lot of work- it does get better

@justwatching1985

4 ай бұрын

Its so good to hear that you are managing your way through all of this! The boundaries are the best thing one can have. Be thankful for that radar and always trust it - mine was never wrong. Unfortunately, I have chosen to ignore them far too often in the past. Will not happen again.

@slaybotcom

4 ай бұрын

as someone who's learning boundaries and the process of getting to know someone with an open heart and without projecting, this is so great to hear :) and I'm proud of you!!! this is great

@hbennett5640

4 ай бұрын

Well said.

I like some folk am socially awkward as a involuntary uncontrollable semi-dissociative autopilot-fawning CPTSD response. I „return” to real adult me after leaving the social interaction.

This is one of the main reasons I became an alcoholic. When I didn't drink, I wanted to stay home, but if there's alcoholic I can let loose and actually have fun. It sucks.

"Spooking myself" by blurting out is such a real phenomenon, I'm glad I'm not the only one who experiences that

Making the mistake of assuming people have the knowledge you have is key. People aren't mind readers. They haven't read the same books or have had the same experiences as you. Also, assuming people share your interests as you just because they are of the same sex and in the same age group as you is very common. Asuming they have the same tastes in food, drink, clothing, music, TV programmes and films as well too. Or because you have one interest in common, say birdwatching or painting, then you would have other interests in common. See people as individuals that you don't know much about rather than putting them into a box based on their age group, sex and appearance. And listen to them.

YES!! I've honestly been waiting for something like this!! I feel like my social anxiety has gotten significantly better over the years, but I still have so much to improve on

@TheOriginalOrkdoop

4 ай бұрын

I am in the same boat!

When it's my turn to talk, a lot of the time, I end up tripping over my words and stuttering if the topic at hand is personal in nature. Could be as simple as telling someone my favorite color and why. I feel so... vulnerable in revealing things that are simple, everyday facts about myself. It's so so so embarrassing. Not to mention I think I will be talked over at any given second so I feel like I have to hurry, so my anxiety picks up, and my mouth cannot keep up with what I'm trying to say.

@sweettooth3356

20 күн бұрын

i feel exactly the same 🥹🥹

There are people that I have cut off contact with because every time I was around them I felt I couldn’t do or say anything right. Every encounter led to shame.

@belent8336

7 күн бұрын

I hear you about how every encounter led to shame, or at least practically every encounter.

Omg the overtalking! There have been times when it's like I can't stop my mouth. I see the person's interest waning or I realize I overshared, and all I can do is talk faster to get the story done sooner. So embarrassing! And I feel awful when people comment on it because my dad is even worse about it than me, so I know what the other side of it feels like.

i relate to all of this, god. my trauma isn’t based on anyone abusive, just being bullied as a really small child, and then being a weird, shy kid, which made me have this kind of inferiority issue throughout all my life, which i’m realising just now. it feels good to finally understand myself honestly

@chelseamiracle128

3 ай бұрын

Yep I’m right there with you. I was bullied by several people - teachers, kids in school, my older sister, etc. I subconsciously carried the belief I was this “doofus” and unacceptable, what I liked was stupid, I was a joke, I was ugly. It was pervasive and lasted years. I didn’t realize it altered my development of a sense of self. I carried invisible baggage. I was caught up in being nice to be liked even by nasty people because of this trauma - that I didn’t feel deserved to be called trauma. Being shy, neurodivergent, and growing up in domestic violence also royally did not help! Glad to see so many of us on this worthwhile journey of feeling good enough and human. I’m not that helpless little child anymore.

I can relate to "assume they know" . I was not socialized, and raised around older people so I naturally have a "old soul". So being around my age who don't know certain songs, movies, sayings and thought process has made me feel so awkward🤦

Social anxiety is super bad for me because not only do I have childhood trauma, but I also have a physical disability (from birth) so in a sense I have a double whammy which supports my fears and seeing people as hating me even more.

I talk talk talk out of my nervousness, something I've been working on, and due to a childhood full of trying to be good and not get in trouble, and my natural personality (I do wonder if I'm a little divergent as sometimes I get literal), I find I fail in conversations when people are getting to know me, because I sort of go on autopilot answering questions, and it's like I forget it's a conversation and instead it's just 'prompt->response->repeat'. It's almost like I depart for a different plane and my body is left 'following the rules / filling in the form' by answering questions. I'm also a very honest person and desperately want human connection so oversharing is also an issue, although I'm also working on that. But noticing awkwardness in other people purposefully has really helped me deal with the shame spiral, which has helped me be more social. When I'm shopping I take notice when people stuff up in conversation, when they say awkward things, when grown adults lose all sensibility and say the wildest stuff. It has helped me not internally freak out and want to run when I do something awkward. Because I can step back and say 'that was a bit awkward. But I've seen this hundreds of times from everyone, and also a hundred times worse, so it's no big deal'. And it really isn't. Honestly, the things I used to mull over and fret about are totally forgotten by other people because they just weren't big deals *at all*. It's been very freeing. I recently got into voice chat on a discord hobby group I've joined, first time in a long time actually socialising outside of a transactional setting, and with multiple people at once. And I did overtalk, and I was probably a little more enthusiastic than I should've been. But nobody shunned me, and the next time I was better. And I didn't ruminate on it too much, either. I just said 'welp, here are the things you didn't like about it, remember not to do it next time, and be a bit more chill' and it worked.

@cds8249

4 ай бұрын

Can I just say thank you for sharing your process for overcoming overtalking and awkwardness? I literally felt this recently at a small shop I go to about every other month and I sadly ruminated over how awkward the interaction was and how embarrassed I felt all night. I literally gave myself insomnia. But reading your post made me realize the owner has probably seen much worse or more awkward behavior and I should give myself some grace and let it go. Also, to look at things as a learning experience and how to do better next time!

All my life I’ve rushed what I’ve had to say or felt I had to condense things to make my point before people would lose interest or cut me off. It creates so much anxiety. Now I’m trying to start a new career and my hyper vigilance gets the best of me when I’m trying to critically think. If I sense the person is getting impatient it causes me to lose focus and miss important details. I have great bedside manners bc I’m heavily relying on hoping to be liked and accepted but I’m bracing with discomfort the whole time. When I tune into my inner child, she just wants to feel important, valued and worthy of space and time. Something I didn’t get as a lost child in a dysfunctional family.

@GBmont511

4 ай бұрын

Your comment is an exact reflection of me! I could have written that.

@amberh5572

4 ай бұрын

I very much relate to this.

@mizelle4096

4 ай бұрын

I can also relate to being cut off, talked over and just outright, ignored when talking or asking someone questions. I’ve come to the conclusion that most people are just more interested in talking to hear themselves talk, to sound intelligent or interesting, etc. and this could be from some deep, rooted trauma that they don’t even know they have. Like they have to prove themselves or something. Being aware of my trauma, and actively working on, it has allowed me to let these people talk. I don’t wanna waste my breath or attention on someone who has zero interest anyway.

When I first got a job I felt like all my coworkers hated me and wanted me to leave 😂 That's not true I'm seeing now... Not perfect at it but it is better

It seems like you're a particularly unique voice in this space. You focus in on specific topics in an applied way that I find really illuminating. I think it's something about how you connect specific symptoms and thoughts to childhood trauma in a way that feels different to other creators.

I was at a very posh function in Switzerland years ago, a wedding for a world famous singer. I was completely out of my depth and just trying to be friendly asked the woman sitting next to me what she did, she replied that she was a princess. And that was the end of the conversation, which was for the best 😅

@tlsings55

4 ай бұрын

😂🙌🏼

@cynthiaforsythe8989

4 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@mntccd

3 ай бұрын

Loll. I would have leaned it and asked for all the gory details, butlers and everything

Life helped me to stop caring what ppl think about me! I care about my appearance & my attitude, but I realized I can't make ppl like or love me. I developed what I call DCD. DCD stands for Don't Care Disease. It's my own disease that helps me to be me & not be a ppl pleaser!!!

@SirenaSpades

4 ай бұрын

The rest of us call this Don't Give A F*&& or No F*#&s Given. Call it whatever you want ;)

@bridgettetraveler658

4 ай бұрын

@@SirenaSpades that's cool to. We must not be playing pleasers.

Yea I mean, as soon as there's an interaction that's negative between me and someone else, they hate me..right? 😅 I mean, love to instant hate, I forget the in-between

After extensive CBT training I could list 12 types of cognitive distortions but a lightbulb finally went off for me personally when my therapist suggested I try interacting socially as if the other person was my client because in that role I listened and communicated appropriately. As “myself “ I wallowed in all the inappropriate childhood trauma responses because I didn’t have a structured role.

@mntccd

3 ай бұрын

That’s a good one.

Not gonna lie, I'm a busy parent with limited resources and I've been using KZread to better and heal myself. Patrick is instrumental in this journey; he is the gift that keeps on giving.

My childhood trauma gave me a long history of worrying that people won't like me or that I annoy them. I'm better about it now, though not completely free. The stuff at the beginning of the video about this expectation, how it can become a fulfilling prophecy, and how to handle all of it was SO helpful. Thanks!

I had been assuming I was like this due to my ADHD, but now I'm realizing it may be my childhood trauma. This is really helpful!

@mntccd

3 ай бұрын

Why not both?

Thank you, Patrick! This is an incredibly helpful topic. This problem runs my existence. I don't necessarily expect big energy from people, but I always hope that they'll show interest in me by listening to what I say and asking an open-ended question or two (and then listening to the answer to that). I'm good at giving that kind of listening to other people, and I feel like I hardly ever get it back. I usually end up feeling like I'm the most boring person in the room. It never occurred to me that the (many) people who talk "at" me for long periods of time may be doing it because of their own childhood trauma.

@justwatching1985

4 ай бұрын

Your last sentence is a great point! Never thought about this but it makes a lot of sense ...

@aplaceinthestars3207

4 ай бұрын

I am frustrated with this cycle as well- I'll catch myself in over-talk mode and then over-correct into some kind of interviewer. It's not really "attentive listening" as much as it's "fawning" and usually that's a good indicator I need to minimize interaction with that person.

I overtalk because I wasn't listened to as a kid. Get it all out now because they won't be interested later.

@mizelle4096

4 ай бұрын

I’ve just come to the realization that people really aren’t interested in listening. They’re more interested in talking. And it’s about 90% true. Occasionally, you will find someone who is interested in listening to you and your story. Those folks will ask questions that show genuine interest.

@vivvy_0

3 ай бұрын

​@@mizelle4096or they just have the same trauma 😂

I'm currently receiving trauma therapy for stuff that happened to me as a kid. A lot of this video made sense with my over sharing, social awkward, over reading and I do over talk when highly anxious to try and justify myself. My therapists went through some of this with me last week, trying to work on boundaries and body language. I had no idea how the abuse really screwed me up and made my life hell. Your videos are amazing and eye opening and thank you so much for making them.

I would love to see a video on how not to overshare on a first date! Definitely need that one!

Proving is a compulsion at the heart of alot of this. There is a demand (from unsafe people) to prove. Sometimes the Inner Child lives in a collapsed state. Our theory of mind views it as normative… but that collapse is a shame. Rising from the collapse is exhausting, and that is where I find myself when socially showing up. With a collapsed kid in tow. Asking her to behave.

I'm an extrovert. never met a stranger i couldn't talk to. Now i don't want to talk to any of them.

Waiting for this one like a fan girl waiting to book concert tickets!! 😍

I do listen very well but I have nothing to say.. I'm my head it's always like "I understand". Then I start feeling bad about myself for not being able to contribute anything.

@leoniphelan5278

4 ай бұрын

Strongly relate to this as well.

My problem is the complete opposite of the examples you described in the intro. I am socially awkward but its always because I say too little. I share too little and struggle to build connections with people, when I'm nervous or anxious I shut down and hardly talk, in social situation I tend to become invisible because that's where I feel the safest. The techniques you described though, still apply in a helpful way

I don’t think you realize how much this has saved me from self sabotaging. I’ve taken up intensive DBT in the past and I couldn’t help but feel like I relapse sometimes. Thank you for this video. From the bottom of my heart, you are supporting so many, I’m sure, that have been dealing with this for years. You have articulated the most difficult aspect of my current life- there’s a DBT I’ve always lived by “if you can name it, you can tame it”

As someone who spent a large chunk of my childhood and early teens imitating Ace Ventura, and most of my lifetime being called weird by my friends; I'm looking forward to this😂 If I could stop being a clown to mask my anxiety that'd be great🙏🤡

@hugshandshakes7477

4 ай бұрын

😂🙏🏼

@dayofthejackyl

4 ай бұрын

Lol this is me 💯😂 Nice to meet you, let’s figure this out!!

@gabrielle-AV-n-PFloyd

4 ай бұрын

Lol!

@goodenoughgirl8102

4 ай бұрын

Lol. I can relate. I often go into “entertainer mode.” Some of them seem to enjoy it but I also think it keeps me from getting what I need out of it Bcuz I’m “serving” or “doing a job.” Idk. Maybe for me it’s this idea that I need to be useful and have to sort of “earn my keep” to be worthy enough. Not even sure why yet but I often feel compelled to try and amuse people.

@chelseamiracle128

3 ай бұрын

Gosh I definitely have this streak of being an entertainer to mask social anxiety

The more you listen to other podcasts , the more you appreciate this man .

When I over read or am hyper vigilant about people I am always right. I end up finding out sooner or later. The problem is I don’t like reading people all the time bc who cares what they think of me. It’s just a trauma response and anxiety trying to protect me because I’ve been hurt and caught off guard by strangers, friends, family etc so I read body language like no other

Every segment of this video is relatable. This is the 'bullseye' description of the ongoing pain I have struggled with for so many decades. What a relief to hear it described so clearly, comprehensively, and compassionately. I am 61 and grateful to be finally healing. This video has contributed to that healing. Thank you so much, Patrick Teahan!!

1. You never miss. 2. The quality of your audio is so delicious 11/10.

I’m so glad I found this channel. I wasn’t abused as a child in the ways people often think about.. I was basically ignored/invisible. Wasn’t wanted, wasn’t valued, had no guidance for how to live and be a successful, well adjusted adult.. but much of this series of videos definitely still applies. Thank you for sharing these insights in your videos! ❤

@chelseamiracle128

3 ай бұрын

Yes my family was indifferent or hostile - a lot though was passive indifference to me being around. I didn’t realize it was wounding to me. It absolutely can be. It’s a subtle trauma.

@stephanieparker1250

3 ай бұрын

@@chelseamiracle128 💜💜💜

“We’re often looking for big confirming energy.” Bingo! And let me flip that… I am always giving big confirming energy, and give it a couple of different ways to ensure the receiver didn’t miss it. For example, anytime someone holds the door for me I will try to make eye contact, give them a big smile, and say in a loud, clear voice “Thanks! I really appreciate it!” Thanks for all you do, Patrick. You have changed my life over the last few years. I am almost 60, and after working on the vestiges of my childhood trauma with your guidance, I finally feel like a joyful, peaceful, 90% adult!!

@patrickteahanofficial

3 ай бұрын

Thank you!

THIS is soooo something I struggle with - the mind reading, the "thinking everyone thinks what I'm thinking, assuming they process/interpret the same way I do" - the "interpreting their reaction or NON reaction to mean they hate me or think I'm foolish... or the "thinking they remember or are JUDGING me for issues I'm imagining." So it's good - in my case - to learn to assume it has nothing to do with me, it's probably okay, and there's probably NOT a big issue. I think a lot of the time, people are pretty cool with me actually but I sorta take their absence or silence very hard, ya know, I maybe think they don't like me, I think "if I were them, I'd reach out! What the heck!" - that's hard. I DO feel very ignored and neglected, because often I AM! I am very lonely. It's so frustrating. I feel so often I could be shooting myself in the foot with people who are good people who like me, because I just ASSUME they don't, or assume they're obsessing about my "flaws" the way I am... It's frustrating to be stuck with so much alone time with this sort of brain but this video was helpful. I need help to snap out of that, because that inner child is such an asset and so much of what makes me magic, but also he's also often running things as far as how I relate to the world, or what I assume of people when I am not directly interacting with them. I wish I did feel more seen, I wish I could trust that people like me.

@rachelmcgill8143

4 ай бұрын

You are not alone; I feel the same.

@AppleTY2015

4 ай бұрын

😊 it can be helpful in these situations to look at your own thoughts objectively like “oh there is that thought again about someone not liking me”. We are merely the thinker of that thought. We can take some distance from it. It’s a pattern we keep repeating. We can disrupt it by noticing it in that manner, then intentionally choosing to simply redirect our attention elsewhere, or to reframe it: “I’m not for everyone and that’s also ok, I like me”. You sound likable to me 😎👍🏽

I love being around people. But I struggle with this constantly. It’s emotionally exhausting. I have to remind myself that no one is scrutinizing me this much. In fact, people are very loving and affirming towards me, but I still wrestle with how I was perceived.

Sometimes I feel like my pets hate me too. It’s crazy how far this extends.

I struggle with this so much!!!

It's good to know how we react in social situations. I think sometimes we're way too hard on ourselves because we were brought up with the bar set WAY too high for our stages of childhood. I find crowds, loud noises, and violent "entertainment" (movies/videos/games) overstimulate me, so I avoid. Also, any amount of alcohol or too much caffeine is no bueno for my rationality and sense of calm.

I do some of these things with people I have known for years (as well as strangers) and always feel so crap afterwards. Afterwards, I am always like, "Why on *earth* did I say that?" And you are spot on, I know that it's because I want to appear normal, I feel anxiety and shame, and my boundaries dissolve and I feel like an impostor and it escapes me in that moment that I have a choice. I also worry with certain people, that saying very little (which I would prefer, as they are not safe) is not an option in case I appear cold. Which seems daft because if they are not a safe person, why do I care? So much work to do! But I really appreciate this video.

"That sounds like episode 147 of Star Trek", was hilarious.

@attheranch873

Ай бұрын

And it’s some thing I would say😂

This is extremely helpful. What I do suffer also is repeating myself and this seems really subconscious and feels really unnecessary. Like I have this belief that people didn’t get it the first time. Or making sure they know what I feel and think and wanting them to believe the same things as I do. So thanks. Your prompts really made me think and I will start journaling more of this and follow your tips in conversations. You also made me understand why I want to have better control of all you mentioned. You hit the nail on the head when you said we survivors tend to be in deep shame as an after effect. For so long I have tried to balance between being okay and accepting of our awkward selves and being ashamed of our awkward selves. You also made me realise how much kindness we need, and perhaps even extending that kindness to others who are over sharing with us too.

As someone who is neurodivergent (which is where my childhood trauma comes from - non ND folx may have been just fine in my child shoes 👟) this content REALLLLYYYYYYYYY fits 🫰🫰🫰

This guy is such a blessing. I've been in and out of therapy, institutions, etc.. and he's explaining specifics that I thought was absolutely specific to my malady. Thank you so much!!! ❤️

I'm 53...I am a childhood trauma "survivor"....my WHOLE life I've known im different...it wasnt until my diagnosis of ptsd and the subsequent work i have to do, it's affects f this are so insidious/systemic and widespread, that the sheare amount of work that needs to be done is daunting as if life werent hard enough already....god speed everyone...and Patrick thank youfor your sage insight

Oh my god, I recently had a “blurt out” incident when I was at my volunteer job. I was talking about children’s books with one of the employees since she’s pregnant, and I was like, “I really want to buy some of the children’s books I had when I was a kid-my parents threw them all away because they’re evil”. It just erupted out of me and now I feel shame and embarrassment for over-sharing. How awkward for the people I was talking with to hear me call my parents “evil”. My parents are evil, but these people don’t know me very well and that just sounds crazy 😂

@theclumsyprepper

23 күн бұрын

I can relate to that. My mother was also evil and I said that to someone I used to work with. Her response was "maybe she had a reason for it". I actually ended up arguing with that woman, instead of keeping quiet. Not my proudest moment, but I get exactly what you mean. Did you buy any of those books btw?

As if I am cheating my therapist with your talks. I am shocked that for the first time someone speaks so kindly to me and understands the deepest problems. My therapist tolerates all my behaviors without judgement but you understand. Thank you so much for your work

Thank you so much for this! These are all things I have struggled with and I have something to work with now. Other social anxiety "help" just heaps on the shame of not being normal and wanting to get out and talk to people. This makes me curious about why I do these things and how to work myself out of it. ❤

So looking forward to this!

@courtneyisaseagull

4 ай бұрын

Me too!

I had a friend whom I thought had a deep connection with but I found out I was the only one who felt that way. But I wonder, was that sorely my own problem? Because now grown-up me can see that friend was not someone safe. Is she truthful? No. Is she present? No. Does she accept me for who I am? No. She outspokenly hates changes in people and she fakes interest. So where does this leave me…? If the other person was healthy unlike me then I could accept my own social failing but she was not healthy either 😅 And how do I find out what deep connection should look or feel like?

Rarely discussed topic and seriously a chronic issue for ADHD women. Thank you!!!

My biggest issue with social interactions is that, on top of being an introvert, I have nothing in common with most people so trying to talk to strangers is mentally exhausting. I end up either blabbing like a fool or avoiding conversations altogether. I can put on a different persona at work, and can talk to the wall when in that mode, but outside of it I just can't do it so I avoid social occasions like a plague. I still occasionally make a fool of myself at work, but I'm learning to keep my mouth shut.

thank you so much for acknowledging neurodivergent differences in this ❤ ❤❤ i feel like there is a huge overlap in this specific topic, especially with high masking late diagnosed folks, that would be highly beneficial for both neurotypical and neurodivergent people to explore... autistics in particular, but i think all neurodivergent children suffer from being different and rejected a lot, many experiencing abuse in their own families too (often stemming from internalised ableism of neurodivergent parents). so the number of people who struggle with social awkwardness and childhood trauma because of unrecognised neurodivergence is likely to be very high. maybe you could do a collaboration with some youtubers in that space? my favourite is meg from 'i'm autistic, now what' as she is a long time youtuber and seems very interested in filling that gap of understanding between neurotypes in a very respectful and mutually supportive way ❤

@sujammaz

4 ай бұрын

like some interesting questions around this could be 'what is the difference between hypervigilance and hyper-empathy?' (many high-masking autistics go unrecognised because of hyper-empathy), 'what is the difference between overtalking/oversharing and info-dumping?' and 'what is the difference between inertia and shyness?'. just as like some conversation starters, not saying these things are all relevant or connected 😅 for me personally, the most overlap and the one thing i struggle with most persistantly is questions. a) when and how to ask them and which ones to ask - i have overcome the stage of not being able to think of any, with a lot of practise, but am still quite insecure about not prying, which was also the reason behind not being able to think of any questions in the first place: like with eye contact and touching, asking questions feels intrusive by default - and b) how to answer questions appropriately, as in determining how much interest there is in a serious and/or honest answer and how to not overshare/set boundaries when the question is inappropriate and/or it's the other person that is nosy and prying. and also how to deal with other people's oversharing, especially when they talk about things that trigger me. anyways, i would obviously love any more content around socialising so fingers crossed 😁 thank you for this one too/again, it was definitely much more applicable to my neurodivergent problems than i thought it would be 🎉

This is so, SO helpful. I've always felt so socially awkward bc of my deep, complex trauma...for me, this also directly relates to feeling like an alien. Thank you so much for what you do! This is more helpful than I have words for...and I was an English major. Bless you, Patrick!

@mntccd

3 ай бұрын

Aliens unite! 🤜🏼🤛🏼

“You hate me” wow. Thats so powerful. I always walk around with this feeling, this is exactly what I do everything to avoid subconsciously. I work somewhere as a man and I am the only man who works there. I always feel like everyone hates me, I am overly nice and try to people please in every aspect of my life even though it doesn’t feel genuine. I just do automatically, even when I try to act differently it feels literally like I have to put every fiber of my being into acting differently even when it is how I actually want to act. I don’t know if that makes sense, but i hate it, and it makes me hate myself because I feel like I can’t change this aspect of myself. What really hurts me is that it feels like that’s just who I am and I have to just deal with it. But I do it because I have this deep feeling I am trying to not feel which is “you hate me” that has been something I can never bare or deal with because I was neglected as a child and took on a parent role emotionally and was bullied so badly by an older sibling. Is there hope? 😣

I needed this. Both Parents found a way to shape shift into people who have no children and treat us as acquaintances. I am in therapy. I no longer want to be mad about anymore. #R76

This plagued me all my life. Until I met someone who was worse than me and got a look at how it feels.

I don't have social anxiety, usually, but I do frequently go through what I call "hindsight anxiety", which is exactly what you describe in this video as the shame and bad feelings that come up judging oneself after social interactions in which one was dissociating and/or talking too much or even overshared vulnerabilities. E.g. I participated in a "getting to know each other" group at a conference, and it was moderated really poorly, so the next person was always sharing more (personal stories) that the previous. I tried so hard not to do that.. but then a person came out to all of us strangers (in this social, but work related setting), and everybody was quiet after their story.. the situation felt so uncomfortable that I felt a strong urge to end the quiet and started to talk after all, and even though I started with telling them that I was worried about the questions we were answering because I struggled with oversharing, I wasn't able to keep my story brief and over talked to an extend that the moderator ended up interrupting me. I felt so ashamed and exposed. It was a really horrible situation and probably the worst "hindsight anxiety" I have experienced so far.

@cynthiaforsythe8989

4 ай бұрын

“Exposed”. Yes. That def comes from my childhood trauma. I deeply feel your pain

@mntccd

3 ай бұрын

Awful, although that is 100% on the people running the conference. They should know better

Thank you for this video, Patrick! I will have to implement some of the journaling around this topic. I was a more shy and sensitive child with narcissistic parents and loud/overbearing personalities in my family. I tend to not feel seen or heard, and definitely am hypervigilant about how people are responding to me in conversation, always noticing what seem to me like negative reactions to me and it leads to shame and continued feelings of awkwardness, and makes me want to bolt. I'm at a place where i want to show up more to conversations but it also feels scary to be seen and I experience flushing and elevated HR because it feels dangerous to have eyes on me for too long. Ironic and weird to want to be seen, but feel unsafe being too seen. I can stumble over my words or lose my train of thought. And then i feel more shame for my body's response of feeling unsafe. I thankfully have a husband that I feel safe with and have been able to do a lot of healing due to that, but its even difficult to try to figure the conversation dynamic with my inlaws, even after years of being married. They tend to dominate conversation and not ask many questions, leading to more of that feeling unseen and unheard, which triggers my inner child. I don't think they mean to, but i think its due to their own trama and awkwardness as humans. It can be hard to navigate, and tends to end in me feeling unseen and disappointed.

@mntccd

3 ай бұрын

I see you, friend.

This hits home in so many ways. I actually watched this while attempting to navigate dating after divorce… So I am also hoping and waiting for the “what not to overshare on a date” video 😂 As always, thank you for saying these things in such a kind and honest way ❤

😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮 patrick, the timing of this video is impeccable i just moved out for university