Hearing the words "ascension materials" made me SO thankful thread does literally everything in the game

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

Yeah I totally understand what you mean now by Thread. I took Spicebush to the third level now and gained access to Skill 3. It made such a difference. I recycled some shards to get there though (about 80?) but hey, it was so worth it! If you'd like, come along and join the stream Prax! Here's the link www.twitch.tv/FInalPhaseGaming_

Yep! WAW ego is out, but ALEPH isn’t yet, though

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

Thanks for clarifying!!

I can easily say that Evade is the best type of Defense skill by far. Useful in most situations, and can help you a whole lot in certain boss fights. Guards are good for very tanky characters, who you'd want to take the biggest, baddest enemy attacks if you can't clash them, and if they roll too high for evades. Counters are pretty bad on their own, but you often get them on characters who are, at least partially, built for countering. Some of my favorite units have powerful counter skills, such as Kurokumo Henchwoman Rodion, Sunshower Heathcliff, or Middle Little Sister Don Quixote.

@wymarsane7305

2 ай бұрын

Some defensive skills have effects that make them worth using even if they're not evade. N-Sync's or Shootis' block, for instance.

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

Yeah I keep hearing that evade is the best. Thanks FieryGallade. Look at how many people have liked your comment. That's awesome. Glad to have you back! It's a shame you lost your love for FGO. I'm absolutely LOVING Limbus Company and it looks like I have SO MUCH CONTENT TO MAKE!

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

Thanks for explaining , nice to see you in naother comment wymarsane! Yeah I'll have to see it in action to understand it more!

26:40 I can't think of any instances where friendly fire from indiscriminate attacks can be generally useful, but EGO Corrosion by itself has a couple of niche uses I can think of: 1. Corrosion will save you from being staggered, which means if a sinner gets their sanity lowered to -45 and also gets staggered in the same turn, they will corrode next turn but they won't be staggered. Any risk of friendly fire during corrosion is a problem for the future you. 2. A lot of solo runs require you to corrode your sinner on purpose so you can have access to a bunch of "free" corroded EGO attacks during the corrosion turn, which translates to big pp damage, free passive for the corroded EGO, free clash wins (unless targeting RNG screws you up) and occasionally a bunch of status effects. You also don't have to worry about friendly fire since there's only 1 sinner, and it's also kind of a free un-stagger cheat as I said in my first point.

@lostgem8225

2 ай бұрын

What about soupclair

@DuyroZeppeli

2 ай бұрын

@@lostgem8225 funny enough, I completely forgot that EGO existed. Then again, its Corrosion form's indiscriminate attack also harms allies, unlike its Awakening form.

@lostgem8225

2 ай бұрын

@@DuyroZeppeli I wish I could forget about soupclair- also fair point

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

Thanks for explaiing. I appreciate how people have really listened to my thoughts and comments and responded to my questions too. I appreciate it!

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

Wait, they called sinclair, SOUPCLAIR? LOL!

Explanation for simplified and quick understanding of speed mechanics i sent on twitch stream, copied here upon request if your speed is higher you can clash and redirect attacks if your speed is lower or equal to the enemy attack you can only clash with it and only under the condition that character is being targeted by said slot

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

Apollo great to see you dude. Thanks for hanging out on streams and chatting on Discord! Yeah it totally makes sense with everything you've said now that i've been playing a bit longer since this video. The tutorial was a solid explanation too!

He's uploaded a part two intermediate tutorial by the way. (I just noticed you already got told this) On another note, there's a corrosion abuse solo strat. Specifically, if a unit has more than one action, you can usually only use one copy of an ego per turn. But if they corrode, they will only either use the EGO, or they'll take a useless "panic" action. This can allow you to potentially use an EGO 12 TIMES in a turn, although it takes very specific setup and planning usually.

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

That's cool Guaridan. I appreciate people letting me know. I'll be reacting to it sometime this week! I did something SUPER cloes to what your'e suggesting and it'll be in my latest video that comes out tomorrow for Limbus Company. Be sure to check it when it drops - it's to do with the event. Hey guardian, lots happenign on strema nad in the Discord Limbus Company - come and join if you'd like to - Here's the link: discord.gg/7VezWN4fmV

another thing to say about this video's aging, is that resonance has become much more viable as certain ego and id have it built into their kit to give extra buffs

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

Oh that's great to hear Roland. Which EGO are you referring to? I don't see it as a spoiler if you tell. Also, if you'd like to, I'm reacting to the latest tutorial by ESGOO tomorrow on stream. Come join if you like at www.twitch.tv/FinalPhaseGaming_

ESGOO made another "Better(er) tutorial" as he called it.

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

Thanks for letting me know Zetro. I'll be reacting to it on stream tomorrow night. Want to come along? We're also playing through Canto 3. here's the stream link: www.twitch.tv/FinalPhaseGaming_ Hope to see ya there Zetro!

Answering Final's question about saving staggered allies in his stream: (This is mainly based on my experience) About staggered allies, if it is a focused encounter then simply redirecting it if you can. Normal encounters makes you wish the enemy does not target any skills when combat phase starts but some skills (AOE skills or E.G.O skills that has a specific targeting priority) and the progress of the combat (i.e. if a Sinner has an unused skill after killing one it will simply be used against the next target) could help saving the staggered Sinner.

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing this information. I make a few general comments about this now in regards to staggered allies and enemies. Appreciate it sya! And thanks for joinin our stream community!

there's a secret trick that you can do with attack weight that is very useful against bosses like a certain depressed fox with extra summons, where if you first target the boss with the ego, it usually waste 4 slots of your attack weight and leave the summons alive. here's the trick. target the boss with other sinners skills first. doesn't matter what skills you use as we will click them away after. select the skill slots on the boss that you DONT WANT TO HIT WITH THE EXTRA ATTACK WEIGHT WITH THE OTHER SINNERS. Now target the boss or summons with the attack weight skill, this should now target only the summons or parts THAT YOU DO WANT TO HIT. once you set the skill with attack weight you can undo the rest of your skills and go forward as normal. Of course remember to not unclick your ego unless you want to reset its targeting

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

Awesome thanks for sharing. I think i'd have to see this to understand it. If you'd ever like to show me in a voice chat, then come join the Discord. discord.gg/7VezWN4fmV I'm in the voice chat quite often and people love showing me stuff! You're welcome to join anytime, thanks for the details Mike!

I'll add this comment I gave in Final's stream: In regular human encounters, enemy's skills can be redirected based on how many of your Sinner's skill slots available to be used. For example there was a moment where Ishmael redirected 2 of Guido's first 2 skills (That was supposed to attack Yi Sang) simply because there is enough Sinners not staggered and enough skill slots available to redirect Guido's attack. The order of Sinners targeting in regular encounters starts form the left most enemy's skill slot and takes priority in redirecting the enemy's skills.

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

Thanks Sya! Last stream was amazing - I learnt so much too

20:22 yes, or used to be yes. the first cantos where kinda a bump in the reer before nefts, so i used R corp rein deer ismael ID's 3rd skill (that hit randomly if theres not enough charge) to either randomly hit an enermy (which is good damage) or it an ally, less good, but it apply sinking which lower sanity, which is easier to coorode- we didnt have overclock back then- and get access to corrosion versions of the ego, which then proceeded to win alot of the stages for me

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

Totally understood. Thanks so much Shirayuzu! ~

@shirayuzu

Ай бұрын

​@FinalPhaseGaming wild time needed... unconventional methods. The game is much better now in comparison, and the grind is respectable to your time too, so i hope you have your best time with the game Also btw, ESGOO have another tutorial video on his vid, SUPER recommended to check it out Thanks for the reply Edit: i made the wrong timestamp in the original comment, its 25:22, sr

also if you are interested stagger only changes the slash/blunt/pierce resistence to fatal(2x) those +/++ are just (2.5x/3x) while your resistence towards affinities stays the same

@ventusmuller8655

2 ай бұрын

There is also an offset mechanic. If you 'clash' an defense skill with an enemy defend or dodge you can prevent it from activating but effects which activates at the start of turn or combat are still activated, Offset won't affect counter

@ventusmuller8655

2 ай бұрын

Another way for making a decent team is having units that have affinity advantages on the opponent even if your dmg type (slash/blunt/pierce) is resisted while have a few who have the needed dmg type to stagger the enemy. Also if a part of an enemy is broken (HP of the part dropps to 0) it will have it's dmg type changed to stagger unless stated through passives until that part is regenerated. Not every part of an enemy can be regenerated but some part can't be targeted anymore once broken while some remain targetable.

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

Dude, Ventusmuller. I absolutely LOVE your knowledge and the way you explained it. This all totally made sense!! Thanks my bro. It makes more sense too now that I'm up to Canto 3, played the game, chatted to people and watched the guide. Hey, would you like to join the Discord? Love having knowledgeable people in there! discord.gg/7VezWN4fmV

Don't worry, you don't have to start checking out sin affinities until a very particular boss later in the game lol. Even then you get by mostly on slash/pierce/lust. When you do start getting into affinities they're color coded and the combat ui is really helpful, so it's pretty easy to match to enemie's weaknesses anyways.

@kaltsssit

2 ай бұрын

Cool hair btw, ngl I'm a little jealous.

@kaltsssit

2 ай бұрын

All defense skills are useful, but they have their own weaknesses. And their effectiveness really is on an ID to ID basis. Some IDs have crap defense, while others have awesome ones. Defense skills are very helpful when you know you're probably not going to win a clash, but don't want to lose any sanity. If you defend against a skill you're resistant to, you'll often take almost no damage, or none at all. Evade is best with high sanity. That one's pretty simple. It's awesome dodging clashes. Some IDs even have offensive evades, like maid Ishmael's which can do 2-3 turns worth of sanity gain when shen evades against the right skills. Counters are the riskiest, but some units are great with it. You don't get temporary health like you do with shields, but they're a great way to get some damage in on enemies who're stronger than you. Most of this stuff you won't need for the first few cantos though. Just let yourself naturally use the more in-depth mechanics as the fights get tougher. While the tutorial's pretty scuffed, the difficulty curve is pretty nice.

@roach1898

2 ай бұрын

my favorite lust Id is dieci rodya that doesn't have blunt affinities in her skills

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

Thanks for explaining that totally makes sense now that i've played the game to Canto 3.

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

Thanks for loving my "anime" hair haha xD I use a straighter, hair spray, dryer and more hair spray haha

“Evade is god but guard is good”

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the quick explanation. Use Evade. lol Welcome ot the channel Wami!

9:34 Generally, they're all useful in their own scenarios. Evade though happens to be incredibly strong compared to the other two due to being saved until it loses. It's a bit hard to give examples due to how particular any given scenario can be where you would want to use them, but two easy ones is if they provide some kind of benefit for being used, such as increasing sanity, or when you don't have a skill that can safely or at all win in a clash against something. Skills vs Defenses don't count as a clash, and that affects a lot how interactions work between two characters. Not sure why it's said the Skill Deck isn't gone over in the tutorial, believe it is and goes over how Skills are chosen in sets of 5/6(Uptie 3). ESGOO also doesn't go over it properly, but the increase in 'Offense Level' does also mean that your damage when hitting enemies increases as well due to how damage is calculated regarding 'Offense' & 'Defense' Levels. The number of "clashes" in a Clash also increase the the outcome of damage when it comes time to actually hit, this is another thing to consider on when you may want to use a Defense Skill. 17:50 Keep in mind this goes for the enemies too, yet another consideration on when you may want to use a Defense Skill lol. When you don't want to risk giving the enemy more sanity. 19:21 We currently still have not seen an ALEPH tier EGO be released. We only have I think 3 WAW currently as well, one of which used to be a HE until they changed it's classification. 25:37 Something important about Overclocking and resources; You can still overclock if you don't have enough resources, however it will act in the same fashion as your Sinner actually corroding, meaning it can still attack indiscriminately against your own characters. It will also put whatever resources you were missing into deficit, which prevents using that affinity until you get it out of the negatives. If you want to safely Overclock, make sure you have enough resources for Overclocking the desired EGO. 26:09 Most EGOs when corroding have a chance to target your characters. Some have more specified targeting, and that can indeed be exploited. For example, some EGO's prioritize 'Most HP' or 'Slowest' character. Some of this also means that some EGO's you can't control what it targets in a safe Overclock. Much of the game's finer mechanics rely on knowing what things do and how to make use of them.

@Plaugus_Screenz

2 ай бұрын

The Waw we have Yisang Sunshower,The two BINDS Ego,Sign of roses greg and BO ishmail

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

yeah I think i'd need to see the examples to understand it more too!! I really appreciate your attention to detail with the timestamps too and responding. Thanks so much . Overclock is something I'm yet to do on stream as I'm playing through the story. I still haven't even done the EGO thing properly where I've transformed, but I have done the skills (I think I explained that right?) Overall I've only needed to do it once to beat up some guards in Canto 3 at the train station lol

loved the video

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

Thanks so much. I found this tutorial particularly helpfuL!

@AlexisStreams

Ай бұрын

@@FinalPhaseGaming poggers

Thanks

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

This is so kind! You are the first person to donate a super thanks. Thank you SO much! Hey totally encourage to check out the next video here for the reaction to "better(er)" tutorial! kzread.info/dash/bejne/k3Z6p7GEdb23mtI.html&lc=UgwqIqX-r-U45-VAg_h4AaABAg Thanks youreyee7098!

I have to disagree with the purpose of the original video as I figured out pretty much all of those things on my own from the initial tutorial just fine. Only the super precise math eluded me but that's cause I hate math.

@blowbow5561

2 ай бұрын

Same here, but I gotta ask if you've played previous pm games? I've seen plenty of streamers clearly not understanding what they're doing even after the tutorial. But those, who have played library of ruina adjusted much faster.

@reginaldmeta2762

2 ай бұрын

I'd say that, despite the player's ability to figure out the mechanics of the game, the fact that the tutorial does not explain those certain mechanics makes it an "objectively" bad tutorial, and justifies a video like this. (Though I was doing fine in the early cantos of Limbus, I didn't exactly get WHY I was doing fine until I watched the video)

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

I found the video to be quite helpful. I also have used this "reaction" to show I care enough about the game to do some study before my "second stream" for Limbus Company too. I'm loving it so far. I'll be checking out the second tutorial now too!!

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

Oh hey Blowbow again! Yeah you seem to love Limbus Company. You were probably heavily invested in learning it during your own playthrough and discovered the mechanics. I'm still yet to play Library of Ruina

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

I wouldn't say it's a "bad" tutorial or "obecjtively" bad - I thought it was really well explained. I managed to understand heaps because of it. But I like the statement "i didn't exactly get WHY i was doing fine until i watched the video" - yeah, I love how I can watch a fight and know it's not just randomness

Is this? Will make fine silk?

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

Is this a quote? XD

@JannetFenix

Ай бұрын

@FinalPhaseGaming kind of is c: You see, plenty pick up the game as fuel for "reaction content". But the games from ProjectMoon are more than that; unique, mature in themes, resonating with emotions hidden deep away. We dont like them being done dirty and just looked past, so, hoping to see some genuine interest, we lay waiting, the hivemind. XD

late to the party but about corrotion, its SUPER niche like LATE game niche, so not really important to know, but rule of thumb: if your sinner is @45+ sp it is safe to OVERCLOCK, HE and below (WAW usually are like -50 sp when overclocked) and youll deal more damage/status overall.

@Royicahn

2 ай бұрын

also tip for general, get Fluid Sac For Faust, one of, IF not the best heal E.G.O. in the game and can carry you through grinding.

@FinalPhaseGaming

Ай бұрын

Thanks for explaining. That makes sense. I'm more after a SINKING team. Do you have any info on that Royicahn?

@Royicahn

Ай бұрын

@@FinalPhaseGaming Hmm for sinking the cornerstone ID's are Diecci Hong lu Diecci Rodion and Spice brush Yi sang, then Molar boat works Ishmael, Sunshower Heath and the wuthering heights units are good to have (Outis is the best for maintaining stack and Greg is MASIVE DMG).

@Royicahn

Ай бұрын

(also sorry for late reply DX)

There is one e.g.o. I can think of which is meant to attack your team, but let just say that Esgoo himself loathes it lol. As for defensive skill, evade is really good as the enemy attacks will completely miss, yes "attacks" if you are getting ganged on you can use evade to... well evade every attack. Made a lot of solo challenges possible. Guard on the other hand is bad for multiple reason 1. The attack will still hit, inflicting you with any debuff it might have 2. It's not actually a shield. Instead think of it as "Extra HP" this mean that if you are fatal to a 20 skill attack and use a 20 skill Guard you won't block all the damage, normally you will take 40 as you are fatal, a gurad will cancel out 20 damage, whereas an actual neutral shield would block it completely. Counter is just bad, people only use it for special effect it might have unrelated to being a counter skill. If the ID isn't built around using counter then it just won't get used.

@schnozgaming989

2 ай бұрын

Counter is good when you have no way to win a clash and redirect an attack, also it's the best to reduce hp of identity

@randomperson6176

2 ай бұрын

@@schnozgaming989 Well unless it's a normal encounter I think doing a one sided attack would be better, and you would only want to reduce your own hp if the ID is built around that, you wouldn't use it on Liu Ish/Rodya unless for A. Res or something.

@schnozgaming989

2 ай бұрын

@@randomperson6176 i actually ment focused ones because simetimes speeed can screw you over, and yea, also resonance for passives. Also counter is second best for solo runs if it means something

@reginaldmeta2762

2 ай бұрын

ah, the Stew Segments... I look forward to more in the next Railway

@negate4828

2 ай бұрын

Counters for certain units are really good. For example Sunshower heath its good because not only do you get to do damage but you also gain a reward for getting hit (sinking sanity decrease). Or Middle Don where envy a res it acts as her 3rd skill but it's not envy and she has more power to it. Counters are very niche but certain units pull it off extremely well. Can't say the same to gaurd units. Units like Ahabmael or Nclair is way too fragile for the gaurd to even save them from anything and you're better off taking the risk to win clash.