I guess I like the "fizz." Greenbacks for me all day. Hiwatt sounded like it had a cold.

@katsavidiz

4 жыл бұрын

Good description on the Hiwatt!

@MaddesG1

4 жыл бұрын

loool

@youKnowWho3311

4 жыл бұрын

Hiwatt is ported, so that makes some sense. I use two separate cabs off the same head. Mesa V30 loaded deep closed back 2x12 and a DRZ green/cream loaded 2x12 oval open back. It makes for a great mix together. Now if I play through just one of them, I don't like the sound. Spoiled. Don't do it kids. Will ruin you forever.

@dwftube

4 жыл бұрын

@@katsavidiz Maybe it would sound better with different EQ on the amp? I didn't hear them say they adjusted for each cab, so whichever one they did adjust for was off to a head start.

@mariodriessen9740

4 жыл бұрын

slimjw ; Maybe we're alone on that one, but I also prefered the Greenbacks. In fact, I thought it was the best sounding cabinet on every example. Sometimes even miles ahead of the others. What I liked about it was the fact that it sounded more agressive to me. In my book 'fizzy' is something else. And about that bass..., most of the time it's the first thing that's being eq'ed out, or else you'll piss off the bass player. Greenbacks for me.

I love this stuff. Good to see the “wallpaper” being put to such good use!

Rick: “Ok, Rhett, here’s how this video is gonna go. The guy NOT playing guitar will become a human bobble-head. Ok? “ Rhett: “Gotcha Rick!”

@jbradford00

4 жыл бұрын

Holy crap!! I fast-forwarded through the video and stopped 7 or 8 times. EVERY SINGLE TIME I stopped, one of them was bobbing his head. :D

@BrettThompsonPT

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@buzzcrumhunger7114

4 жыл бұрын

Every time Rick says, "Let's check it out," I have a Johan Segeborn flashback. Actually, this pretty much IS a Johan video. Check him out!

@glennman0922

4 жыл бұрын

Bradley Rossiter I was thinking the same. Rick has the full on bobble going when Rhett is playing Zepplin. Up down side to side. I almost fell over.

@thorblank889

4 жыл бұрын

It's so strange how he looks like a living wii character.

As a guitarist, every dream of ours is to achieve a better and tasty tone! Really grateful for the information, and always a pleasure to see the collab with Rhett

@jamesgoddard2321

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. As someone who doesn’t have ready access to all the equipment combinations it’s really helpful to hear these comparisons.

@RC32Smiths01

4 жыл бұрын

@@jamesgoddard2321 Ahh definitely man. I know there are many of us who really need these informative videos!

@spaidly

4 жыл бұрын

Mmmmmmmmm.... tone

That mesa sounds huge, damn!

@MrUltraworld

4 жыл бұрын

I liked it best too.

@ShaunaMarieSings

4 жыл бұрын

Agree!!! 💗💗💗

@jessemontano6399

4 жыл бұрын

Mesa kills. Fucking rumbles your soul.

@TheD33pthawt

4 жыл бұрын

Mesa knows how to construct a massive sounding cab, I have a recto 2x12 verticle cab for my TC100 and it sounds AMAZEBALLS with my PRS HXDA 100 too!

@slowpoke7888

4 жыл бұрын

I have that mesa cab (except with the slant back top); it has been my secret weapon forever, and I still love it BUT I just fell in love with that 65w Celestion loaded Marshall cab. I really want one. Maybe because my playing style has changed a little. I would love to know more about those 65w Celestion speakers. I'd like to try them in my Mesa cab. Would appreciate if anyone can help me identify them better.

I used headphones, the Mesa had THE best full sound, high/low/mid all perfectly blending. Just perfect. I love Mesas.

Marshall + LP 02:52 Marshall-GB 03:15 Mesa-V30 03:38 Hiwatt-Fanes 04:01 Marshall-G1265 Marshall + SG 04:35 Marshall-GB 04:53 Mesa-V30 05:10 Hiwatt-Fanes 05:27 Marshall-G1265 Marshall + LP +tape delay 05:53 Marshall-GB 06:32 Mesa-V30 07:09 Hiwatt-Fanes 07:48 Marshall-G1265 Park + SG 08:26 Marshall-GB 08:44 Mesa-V30 09:01 Hiwatt-Fanes 09:19 Marshall-G1265 Park + LP 09:40 Marshall-GB 10:04 Mesa-V30 10:27 Hiwatt-Fanes 10:53 Marshall-G1265 Park + SG 11:26 Marshall-GB 11:36 Mesa-V30 11:45 Hiwatt-Fanes 11:55 Marshall-G1265

cracks me up how Mr. Beato shakes his head while the guy solos, and then goes into nodding when he hits the rhythm riff...

For me the classic Marshall head and the Marshall Basketweave cab is the winner! What a sound!

The Hiwatt was my least favorite. I think the Mesa sounded the best, great high end, the low end isn't boomy at all.

@ScutMonkey

4 жыл бұрын

I agree on most of these. I wonder if the Hiwatt only really shines with a Hiwatt amp. That guitar cabinet with a DR103 head is the basis for David Gilmore's sound and his tone is magic so I dunno.

@MrUltraworld

4 жыл бұрын

@@ScutMonkey I think you're right. The cab is designed for the head powering it. David Gilmore has amazing tone.

@PooNinja

4 жыл бұрын

Love the screen name 😂 do ya still need help with your trusses 😂

@bryanherward4679

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrUltraworld he didn't say what Fanes...Gilmour used Fane Crescendo's which are different than the standard Purple Fanes

@CAPFlyer

4 жыл бұрын

I think the problem with the Hiwatt (as suggested) is that it's more matched to the Hiwatt amps, but also that because of its high power, the massive headroom never really pushed the speakers, making them sound more muddled because they weren't getting the push the other, lower powered speakers were. You could hear it in the Mesa to some extent too, especially on the Marshall amp. I know it's probably not factually correct, but that's how it felt on the speakers I was hearing through.

@Rick Beato Watching your head movements while Rhett is playing his solo pieces 5:57 to 8:08 is priceless. You were totally immersed in the playing and your true love of music showed every run. Great video. Sometimes what you don't say IS just as important as what you do.

this has been one of the best videos you have done!! super helpful

This is an essential video, and does a great job of illustrating one of the most overlooked aspects of guitar tone. If you have a combo amp or two, try using it as a cabinet for other amps. This is a great way to multiply your gear options without spending money. Just make sure the impedance of the speaker(s) matches whatever amp is being used (4 ohm, 8 ohm, 16 ohm).

@joshrepik

4 жыл бұрын

Jeff Ainsley I modified my fender pro 185 reverb for this exact reason to accept a 1/4” input. The amp is great for cleans but pales in comparison to my 5150 head for distorted tones

All of those cabs sounded great but for me personally you can’t beat the greenback/Marshall combo. Also, both of those amps are crazy good!

Rick Beato, doing the work the rest of us only could dream we could do. Thank you! I’ve never had such a great comparison between these cabs. Makes me wonder why I always liked some cabs over others.

It’s so subjective, and down to taste. I loved the low-watt greenbacks. It could be subject to change if I was listening on earbuds, cans, stereo speakers, laptop speakers...

@bnjmnwst

4 жыл бұрын

I'm listening on bluetooth cans from my phone, and I heard it the same way.

Does anyone else have this? It's weird, to my ears the first notes after they switch amp really suck and then after like 3 seconds I start liking it. I guess I'm overwhelmed by the differences at first but then I immediately get used to the different qualities and I can appreciate each one of them. The Marshalls and Mesa are winners, the Hiwatt was a bit dead in this specific setting. I think it's not for this kind of straight ahead rock n roll sound but it's more of a platform for more complex sounds (I'm thinking Gilmour or Hackett who both used them with incredible results)

@evanmiller2579

4 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. And I notice this at home as well even switching through different OD pedals. You get zeroed in on a tone and then upon dialing up something different there is a lag until your ears and brain adjust.

@djjazzyjeff1232

4 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. That being said though, I'm partial to the two Marshall Cabs. I didn't really like the Hiwatt at all and the Mesa was kinda there but the extra low end I didn't really care for. If I was to use that I'd eq it out anyway so what's the point lol. The first one and the last cab, man they were both great, it'd depend on the song/part but you couldn't really go wrong with either of them. The first one sounded more classic to me and the last one a bit more of a modern sound.

@JDrums_Games

4 жыл бұрын

No offence, but that’s like a damn essay for me to read

@samxday

4 жыл бұрын

FlyingDorritoChip it’s 100 words. Hardly an essay 🤣

@codymcgrew4015

3 жыл бұрын

That’s ear fatigue lol you’ve probably spent hours looking for an amp/speaker you want and it’s taxing.

The first two cabs were my favorites, definitely. Marshall with greenbacks are the sound of rock n' roll and the mesa had a nice bottom-end with a decent high mid presence but less treble, which is a standard for V30s.

Love when this kinda thing is done so well. Good job man!

I’m surprised the Mesa was consistently my favourite.

@cornstar1253

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not. My mesa 1/12 combo is awesome. Even cleans up better than a delux reverb

@Dwendele

4 жыл бұрын

Same here, with the Hiwatt as a close second

@EricKlein

4 жыл бұрын

I used to have a 100watt Soldano Lucky 13, which is an absolute monster of an amp and when I can shopped for it a straight mesa 4x12 sounded shockingly better than anything else I tried. despite it being absurdly heavy and more expensive it was worth it, nothing else even came close.

@tomasesilva

4 жыл бұрын

Me too, it sounds awesome!

"Hi, I'm Rich Biatch." - KZread CC algorithm

@RickBeato

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome!!!!

@jonkomatsu8192

4 жыл бұрын

Hah! You noticed that too!

@Gibson1961SG

4 жыл бұрын

Same thing for me. Ha ha!

@GeoffBosco

4 жыл бұрын

Saw that and knew this would be the top comment. Lol

@KnowGoodHuman

4 жыл бұрын

KZread auto captions has failed at “Rick Beato” 100% of the time (Brick Piano?) but this new one is my favorite.

Man, I've been sleeping on those Mesa cabinets...I need one!

@RisikoAO

4 жыл бұрын

no, you don't, stop spending money you don't have! :D

4 жыл бұрын

The small 1x12 mesa cabs are amazing, great sound and kinda portable, they look weird with a big valve amp over them though

@eoghanbishop9745

4 жыл бұрын

You made them all sound great

@buzzcrumhunger7114

4 жыл бұрын

Too heavy, too loud for your gigs. Maybe a 2x12?

@NathanSidF

4 жыл бұрын

I vote 2x12's! Love my Orange Tiny Terror on 2 horizontal Orange 2x12's, stacked vertical. (One is open back, one closed, for ultimate tones.) 😏

Fun to see and hear you guys working so hard.

I love the sound of that goshdern mesa every time!

Glad to see the Park is getting quality time! One major thing that needs to be spoken about in reference to speaker cabs is condition and age of the speakers. Depending upon how 'broken in" a set are will make a huge difference in the overall quality of tone as well as the "vintage" ( year they were manufactured) because more modern cones are manufactured differently and do not sound the same as their older versions. Also each and every box will have its own inherent resonances and tone response just due to the quality of wood so not every old Marshall 4x12 will sound stellar. I surmised that the 65 watters Rick loaded into the JCM800 box were nicely broken in and the cab has a nice overall resonance. Of course your own results will always vary!

For some reason I'm digging those 65 watt Celestions.

@bjstein4242

3 жыл бұрын

Since they were used on Back in Black is it any wonder they sounded awesome..

@orionwarren4244

3 жыл бұрын

Me too. And the Marshall amp. The Park sounded just a tad less bright, less 'sear'.

Another great video. These are so instructive. Every time, I found myself loving the Mesa. The Hiwatt sounded like there was a rug in front of the speakers.

Finally a gear video that's worth watching and provides very valuable information! Great content guys!

The Hiwatt Vintage tone is Astonishing, i love it!!!

@bnjmnwst

4 жыл бұрын

It's super muddy to me. The others are more present, the first two very much so.

@ragingchimera8021

4 жыл бұрын

@@bnjmnwst Agreed, sounds like there is a blanket over the cab.

@Darkgl4ss

4 жыл бұрын

It seems to me like the Hiwatt has a much stronger mid-range than the other two, granted it does has less high end. I think it would probably sit better in a band mix

@clicheguevara9917

4 жыл бұрын

i would love to hear the hiwatt cab with a trebly amp or a treble Booster!

Never realized how much I love greenbacks.

Great topic. It’s amazing how many players ignore speakers and cabs in their search for their sound, when they are two of the biggest factors in a guitar tone.

Loved the Mesa cab. I wasn't expecting the high end rolloff on the Hiwatt. The Park head has a ton of character. Loved the raspy bite on the breakup. Another great video, guys!

I'm so glad they used "Since I been loving you". Probably my favorite Zeppelin song.

@cornstar1253

4 жыл бұрын

His playing is better than jimmies drunk licks

@MohamedAboElOla

4 жыл бұрын

@@cornstar1253 hahahaha... Yes and no.

@Jellybeantiger

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah ,the rhodes and drums make the song.

@TheDirge69

4 жыл бұрын

The SRTS version in my top 10

@Jellybeantiger

4 жыл бұрын

Richmond Tiger hi fellow Tiger.

I loved the Hiwatt for the Since I've Been Loving You part for some reason. Both clean and dirty. For everything else I preferred the Marshall with the 65w Celestions or the Mesa.

@Ninjametal

4 жыл бұрын

Exact same

Another outstanding video. Thank you so much.

I kept picking #4. Guess 3 years studying under Mr. Beato has developed my ear. Thank you both for all you do.

i never thought i’d say these words in my lifetime: i liked the 75 watts the best...... omg... what’s next?? will i become a Maroon 5 fan next ??? What’s happening to me...!!!😱😉 Great video!! Loved it!!

@RickBeato

4 жыл бұрын

Haha! I want to get you to my studio to make a video like this one Doug.

Jeez, what a revealing shootout ! Unbelievable how much better the Mesa is.. Clear and concise with a wider frequency response.. Seems like no contest ! Thanks guys.. Lary

Really enjoy these side-by-side comparisons.

Love what you guys do. The Marshall sounds the best with the mesa coming in second.

Just got this notif after watching URM academys video on cabs

6:30 that clean tone is perfect.

@williamscolaro1159

4 жыл бұрын

I said exactly the same thing as soon as I heard it

@darwinsaye

3 жыл бұрын

Funny that some people consider that a "clean" tone. Less distorted, sure, but there wasn't an actual clean tone used in the entire video, which is a shame.

when the notes go higher; Rick's eyebrows do too. cool hair dude. you're awesome. great ear and analysis. what a wealth of musical knowledge and techniques you give us. thank you muchly.

The whole time I was really digging the Marshall cab with the 65w speakers, I’m glad my ear is agreeing with you guys! I honestly liked the hi on the more melodic sounding elements, but there’s nothing wrong with having a specific cab that’s good for a specific thing 🤘🏼🤘🏼

So...the auto-generated captions display your name as “Rich Biatch”... just thought you should know.

@cramerfan04

4 жыл бұрын

Just saw that myself in the video preview 🤣

@gfunkk

4 жыл бұрын

@@cramerfan04 didn't know you were a die antwoord fan Rick!

Greenbacks all day, love the midrange in them especially for classic/hard rock and probably would be best live in a mix. Mesa was good also, just a little scooped for me though. Can see why blokes use 2 greenbacks and 2 V 30’s in a 4x12.

@charleshale8504

4 жыл бұрын

For sure, hard to beat the creaminess of the Mesa, but have that mid presence of the greenbacks as well

Awesome video!! I’m a drummer by trade tho I don’t play much now, but I Love these types of clips. Exceptional work by both of you.

I have to agree, with you guys. The Marshall with the vintage celestions was my fav.

People seem to be really hating on the Hiwatt. My first thought was "what a perfect speaker cabinet to get some amazing 70's Rush and Yes type guitar tones" Expand your horizons guys, experiment with more sounds and you might come up with riffs you wouldn't have otherwise.

@NathanSidF

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly! I loved the tone, but I'd blend it with the greenbacks!

@rwaggs81

4 жыл бұрын

Hiwatt my favorite in some ways.

@rcjward

4 жыл бұрын

rwaggs81 The Hiwatt was warmest.

@matiastarkkala

4 жыл бұрын

Amen, brother. I liked it best too. Maybe because I don't usually deal with high frequencies that well.

@dougrobinson8602

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure they're really hating on it, just a matter of personal taste. I think with more distortion, the Hiwatt would smooth things out, and sound great, while the Mesa would be too edgy. Unquestionably, great tones have been played through Hiwatts.

The Hiwatt and the last Marshall cab are what speaks to me.

Liked the Marshall cab with greenbacks the best. Both amps sound great. Great video!

the Marshall with the 65 watt vintage speakers cab for sure my fave combo too!

Love the 65 watt marshall cab, I had one and I kick myself for selling it. It's even more ballsy with the matching JCM 800 head. Runner up is the Mesa cabinet. I'd be interested to hear one loaded with Altecs and also JBL D120Fs.

I like the faces of the person not playing while the other person is playing.

Everything through the mesa cab or the Marshall with the vintage speakers is excellent...IMHO...great stuff all around from both your channels!!

what amazing set of gear ... can only dream of

i actually really like the Hiwatt cab!

Thought the HiWatt lost out on every take, except when the solos kicked in, then it seemed to fill out all the single note stuff in just the right way. So, that’s sorted, I need two cabs!

Awh yeah, that SG is killer! Great playing from both of you.

The Greenbacks for me. Thanks for taking the time and putting forth the effort for all us GEEKS

Testament to how good Jimmy Page is right here. Great playing by Rick’s friend.

the Hiwatt cab sounded so good, and I assume it would slip right into mix perfectly

@bnjmnwst

4 жыл бұрын

It wasn't super muddy for you? It was too dark for me.

@antoniomarcello9872

4 жыл бұрын

@@bnjmnwst it had some bass. i thought it would be good more for a mix or for rhythm guitar than lead.

@ragingchimera8021

4 жыл бұрын

Too muddy to cut through a mix.

@djjazzyjeff1232

4 жыл бұрын

You must be the only one who thought that, because I thought it sounded crap compared to the others. No comparison.

@antoniomarcello9872

4 жыл бұрын

@@ragingchimera8021 thats why I said "slip right into a mix" not cut right through. theres a use for both sounds, in my opinion. not every song is an AC/DC cover.

I really liked the fanes...something about how it opens up from gentle to aggressive in the low mids ...with the LP. Amazing sound

Hey Rick... Great shoot out!!! I own a 1972 DR103 half stack and would love to put it through the Mess cabinet. Thanks!!!

Would be Great a video of a Jimi Hendrix Marshall Tone!!!

I spent the whole time watching Rick when Rhett was playing.

Back in the pre dialed-in housd-sounds of the '60's, big touring bands playing our San Jose Pavilion using banks of HiWatt amps (Chicago was notable) really stood out. Clean, high-fidelity at REALlY LOUD volumes from the stage to the back of the hall...

Great video Rick.

The Hiwatt was consistently ick. Kinda muddy and flabby, at least compared to the others. I really liked the Mesa and both the Marshalls, with the vintage having a slight edge. I preferred the Marshall amp over the Park. Definitely can hear a difference between all of those setups!

Funny, I thought the greenbacks sounded better than the Celestions every time for the Marshall cabs. My second choice was usually the Messa cab.

@CAYENNEOREZ

4 жыл бұрын

@@rogerdat7807 Whoops. I guess what I meant is that I usually liked the greenbacks better than the cab with the 65W which Rhett and Rick both seemed to prefer. To each his own, I guess.

Excellent technique for comparing equipment! You guys provided a real homegeneous basis for the comparissons you made. I also subscribe your opinions...the 65W x 4 Celestion Marshall cabinet stood above the others... 👍

i understand nothing about amps but the video is awesome. what a difference in sound

The Hiwatt just sounded off with both heads. I preferred the 65 watters in almost every case.

The Marshall's sounded the best to me. The Mesa and Hi-Watt sounded like they were muffling the sound.

I loved the sound of the Mesa cab with the V30's... but perhaps to be in the the room is where it affects the playing style and feel.. so many comparisons - it's all in the taste . great vid guys.

that MESA sounded amazing, especially with the SG

Vintage 65 was definitely the smoothest.

I think I'm slowly becoming allergic to Vintage 30 upper mids, the ringing note on Rock and Roll was downright annoying through the Mesa cab. Whereas I loved the Greenback reissue biting fizz, it's not as focused.

Great shootout and really informative (listen through great headphones!!). I overall think I liked the Mesa slightly ahead of the vintage 65 Marshall but it was close. And those two amps both, while different, rock incredibly.

Long time mesa guy here. On stage, I'd probably prefer (except for the schelp) the mesa's grunt, but damn the 65watt marshall cab just sang thru the mic. very balanced. Wish I could a/b the amps a bit so I could pick out the differences better. Great vid, guys. Great idea.

I think the Hiwatt would sound better in a mix and not step over vocals

Basket weave sounded best of all of them I think

this is amazing

The Marshall with the 65W Celestions were the best, to my ears.

“Hey everybody I’m rich biatch” oh KZread subtitles..

I had always assumed that most of what I heard as the Mesa sound was the amp. Listening to this makes me think that's only 60% of it and the cab is dong the rest. Edit: now I come to think of it, there is a famous player (who's name escapes me) who uses a Marshall but prefers the sound of Mesa cabs and puts it down partly to the beefier construction.

Mesa sounds amazing!

I have the mesa 4x12 straight and this just confirmed I made the right choice, good part is that the low end is easier to EQ out than in If It's not to taste and the mid and highs has a distinct roar to It :)

8:49 I can hear the full song in my head

@terryducote

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah try not drumming along. Impossible

@MaddesG1

4 жыл бұрын

If u can hear the rest of the band then im with u on that

I still can't get my engineer head around this "what sounds guitarrier" or "I want to throw cables in the open back over sound quality" concepts of instrument amps/speakers, and mostly not the "they are not designed for music listening" off your mp3 or any other source. In my head it would be like both amp and speaker tries to be within 3dB over the audible spectrum and we EQ out what we don't need there. Loved the Mesa, poor Hiwatt didn't impress...

Great video ! Thanks to both of you. I guess speakers 3 and 4 would sound fine if not compared to anything else. But I like 1 and 2 a lot more because they sound better in the high frequencies. A slight preference for the Mesa (#2).

It's amazing to see so many people who aren't Mesa fans giving the recto cab credit. I'm a Mesa fan and am thinking I might try a good Marshall cab! At least to save my back.

MESA< There's a reason the 90's music was soo heavy. Bottom End!

@Dagger_323

3 жыл бұрын

Guess that's one reason I don't like '90s music...

I was surprised I loved the Mesa the best and really didn’t like the HiWatt at all.

@demagmusic

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, I didn't really like the HiWatt either

@clivepeacock

4 жыл бұрын

@@demagmusic Mesa > All Amps

Love this vid, I believe Marshall will always be my favorite but that Mesa, and the order that you picked is the order that I liked best as well

Hiwatt sounds like it's in the club down the block on NewYear's day.

I might be in the in minority but I liked the Hiwatt, I like midrange I guess. Would EQ it differently for sure.

@vox1966

3 жыл бұрын

Hiwatt head and cab would blow everything away

I guess I'm in the minority in feeling like the hiwatt was the only one that sounded good out of them all. It just sounded much less harsh and warmer to my ears than the others. I'm a "combo amp guy" though and probably just have a natural inclination to lean away from cabinet sounds to start with.

Love the boogie cab on the lead lines!

The SG through the Park head, and 65 watt Celestion 100w Marshall cab 4x12 has a very similar sound to the white stripes "fell in love with a girl" tone. Love it!