SMT5V Demi-Fiend 1 Turn (No Dagda/No Incense/No Repel Phys/No NG+/Over 50% Success Rate)
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Firstly, I am well aware that I am not the first to do this.
Second, some explanations
I had previously done a 2 turn setup with a weaker Gogmagog linked below. That one could have been a 1 Turn as well, but would have required an extremely lucky damage range and a low odds random Dream Fist crit.
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I had since decided to make a stronger Gogmagog, taking advantage of newfound knowledge of how Warrior's Conception works, and while being pickier with Gogmagog's level up growths. And as it turned out, not only could it hit the needed damage benchmarks using only Figment Slash, but it could do so while averaging 60,007 across 7 hits, slightly more than the 60,000 HP that Demi-Fiend has, meaning the odds on the damage range was over 50%. Additionally, hit rate was about 99.75% on Figment Slash thanks in part to Xiezhai's Helmsman, putting the overall success rate of the strategy still above 50%, even if only slightly.
For those looking to replicate this strategy, I made the Gogmagog by setting up an Ongyo-Ki and a Zeus that, together, had gained a total of 132 Strength over their bases between them (Ongyo-Ki at 152 Strength, Zeus at 117 Strength), granting 19 Strength from Warrior's Conception. From there, I was extremely picky with which Gogmagog levels I didn't reset, only keeping levels that Gog gained 2 or more Strength on (though on 3 level ups he got 3 Strength).
For those looking for combat benchmarks, the strategy becomes possible at all at 152 Strength (though only technically). Any less and you could hit max damage on all 7 Figment Slashes and still miss the kill, meaning other more gamble-y skills like Dream Fist would be required. If you want a 50% success rate, I believe 164 is the minimum to get the average damage above 8,571.42 per Figment Slash.
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I love how Dagda is so good in this game that low-turn-count strats need to specify that they’re not using him.
@russmcmacken9001
29 күн бұрын
Honestly I don't find anything useful about dagda that another unit cant do better, hes mostly in my party for danu to use the gauge skill.
@cantthinkofbettername5065
29 күн бұрын
The gauge skill is the reason his absence is worth acknowledging.
@ababyharpseal6534
28 күн бұрын
@@russmcmacken9001 Fair enough, but Dagda was an absolute godsend for me when I was dealing with Masakado (even without the gauge skill) thanks to his passive skill proccing at an opportune moment. He seriously kept Masakado asleep for two full turns!
@Enchilada1994
11 күн бұрын
@@ababyharpseal6534 Lucky! It only happened once for me, then I got my ass obliterated. ...in Casual Difficulty.😢
@Mega1UpMan
7 күн бұрын
Man I really wish Dagda was better on his own terms. Lost Hit is so cool, but I feel like it should pierce or always crit to have it be like actually useful
A Young Man and his Giant Blob beat up a Guy with Tattoos and No Shirt. In all seriousness this was a cool setup. Atlus really went wild with the innate passives. Has led to seeing a lot of demons getting use when normally wouldn’t in Vanilla.
Thanks and THANKS SIX MILLION! I wanted to beat Demi on my first run through in COC, purely to gain access to his bank account. I wasn't getting anywhere even on casual with what I had, so I scrambled to make what's seen here and quite easily followed along! (helped that I had half the stuff i needed in the party with me, though I did need to use my stockpile of almost 50 insence, but only used half of it after grimore save scumming, much like you noted in the desc). And to put the rest of this into words: Demons HATE HIM! Learn how this one Naohobino made 6 figures in one day using this one weird trick!
My man CTOBN
@HispachioZ
Ай бұрын
MAGAfiend is something don't know possible
@baguettetheweirdguy2529
29 күн бұрын
He's not wearing a maga hat lmfao, it's the cap that one kid wears in Persona 5
@HispachioZ
29 күн бұрын
@@baguettetheweirdguy2529 😯😯 LMFAOOOOO how can I see with that amount of pixel
@baguettetheweirdguy2529
29 күн бұрын
@@HispachioZ You can literally just check his profil and see a bigger profil icon
Sorry for a dumb question but why do you switch nahobeeho in and out after attacking?
@cantthinkofbettername5065
7 күн бұрын
To refresh Impaler's Animus on Gogmagog
Interesting. By all accounts, you can add an extra 5% damage by removing Arahabaki for a Slime at the last hit when it's set up. Not a necessity but it helps for reliability's sake.
@cantthinkofbettername5065
Ай бұрын
True, I wish I thought of this sooner. I believe you could also swap it for Huang Long to get a slight bigger overall boost, as 2.1 x 1.06 > 2.2 technically. Or actually, Bicorn would be a bigger boost than that, giving the last hit an overall 7.381% damage boost. EDIT: when I said 7.381%, I think I punched the wrong numbers into my calculator. It's actually more like 4.884%, as opposed to Slime/Black Ooze/Siegfried giving 2.326% over what I did
@bothdoorscares3878
Ай бұрын
@@cantthinkofbettername5065 Wait, I'm not comprehending this. Why Huang Long? Doesn't his innate passive only work for Multi-Hit attacks? As for Bicorn, is the critical damage boost really worth it? If I have the right idea, you should have a 190% damage boost (since Bicorn only has 2 weaknesses) multiplied by 1.1x. And I don't think that's stronger than 220%.
@cantthinkofbettername5065
29 күн бұрын
compared to Slime's 5, so you go from 2.2x to 2.05x. 2.05 x 1.1 = 2.255. Bicorn's innate is only insufficient to out-perform Xiezhai as Gogmagog support.
@cantthinkofbettername5065
29 күн бұрын
Huang Long's innate has been grossly mistranslated and misunderstood. It's like Nyami-Nyami or Zaou Gongen, but for other party members with Omagatoki effects.
@russmcmacken9001
29 күн бұрын
@@cantthinkofbettername5065 This is the first place Ive heard this and it makes so much sense in my testings im mad i didnt figure it out before, ty so much!
is gogmagogg with figment slash really the best for this strategy? what about keraunos instead as you can use charge and it may also crit 100% of the time with 24 demons in stock.
@cantthinkofbettername5065
27 күн бұрын
Demi-Fiend's not in your stock when you fight Demi-Fiend, and you want a full party of guys ideally (Zeus, Arahabaki, something to boost Zeus damage) with that setup, so it's at most 21 in stock. Assuming I use my 4th slot for Glasya-Labolas (who gives Zeus 1.5x crit rate), then Zeus still needs 155 Luck to hit 100% crit rate into Demi-Fiend. 155 Luck Zeus with a reasonable Strength stat isn't feasible without incense. Gog's damage multiplier is also over 2x, which more than makes up for the weaker Charge
@garlanramadhan4291
21 күн бұрын
@@cantthinkofbettername5065 Oh, does gog's vengeful might also count for the ailment weaknesses?
@shmurple7953
16 күн бұрын
@@garlanramadhan4291yes it does, which is why xuezhai affinitoes buff it the most
How does dagda cheese this fight? Or why you the no dagda tag?
@calvaflow323
Ай бұрын
Im assuming its because of his unique magatsuhi skill which refreshes all of his press turn icons, essentially giving you twice the opportunities to attack
@cantthinkofbettername5065
Ай бұрын
ya Dana's Wisdom (the Dagda + Danu Magatsuhi skill) resets the press turn counter, and can also be looped for a grossly extended turn. Since Dagda is DLC, saying "no Dagda" is more or less equivalent to saying "no DLC", for people who perceive DLC as "cheating" or "pay to win".
@homerlol9058
Ай бұрын
Thank You both :) I did not know that Atlus really went bonkers with some of the magatsuhi skills
@russmcmacken9001
Ай бұрын
@@cantthinkofbettername5065 How would you generate enough magatsuhi to loop it? I assume it would take careful setup.
@cantthinkofbettername5065
Ай бұрын
You need to set up 5 demons to kill themselves to refill the bar, refilling 15% each. If Nahobeeho is out when you use Dana's Wisdom, it's possible to have 25% or more still available after using it the first time. It's something you'd do pretty much only with strategize active.
No Dagda? Gimme some time to grind and I can demolish my way through just by using Beelzebub, Konohana Sakuya basically Idun on steroids. Donum Gladi and Masakado