Pinned post for Q&A :) EDIT - Model has been claimed!

@SkeetWeet4368

Жыл бұрын

why was british gunnery so bad during world war 1

@theatagamer90

Жыл бұрын

@@SkeetWeet4368 Battlecrusier gunnery or main fleet? Think it's been mentioned before that the Battlecrusier's anchorage didn't allow for the same level of gunnery practice as the main anchorage (Which was Scappa Flow IIRC). Thus the BC fleet focused on rapidity of fire, the results of which were horrid accuracy and a nasty habit of leaving powder hatches open leading to the loss of several BC's during Jutland.

@themanformerlyknownascomme777

Жыл бұрын

I remember reading about the mark 71 8 inch gun and how that program was let down by corporate greed. Was there ever any project during the time period this channel covers where a Private company gets into a similar over ambitious money sink project and what happens there? Did the government they were working for wise up or did they make a massive payday.

@damienparoski2033

Жыл бұрын

How loud, on average, was the main gun shots from the main guns of the Seydlitz and how much would it have, in respective of the gun crew , been dampened from the armored steel of the turret? What kind of hearing protection would they have to use?

@Alex-cw3rz

Жыл бұрын

@@SkeetWeet4368 the main Fleet was more accurate than the Germans and HMS Iron Duke was the most accurate ship present. With a staggering level of accuracy

"One Battle cruiser! Slightly used!" *Bangs forecastle* *Gun falls out of anton turret.* "Now treaty compliant!" 😁

@dorn0531

Жыл бұрын

“This bad boy can hold so much seawater!”

@Ragefps

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@stevenread1676

Жыл бұрын

ahahahaha, that had me chuckling I admit😆

@Dilley_G45

Жыл бұрын

Alternate history Germany wins ww1. I would scrap almost all pre Bayern ships....just keep König and Seydlitz for Museum. Build the 4 Bayern and 4 or 5 L20ea. And build 4 Mackensen. Then a few hundred long range subs and a few hundred torpedo boats. At least we won't run out of names. Because Noone is better at giving silly names to ships then the RN. German destroyers and T Boats only had letter number combos until the ww2 destroyers also had names. I just dislike the first name last name thing for naming ships or streets.

@grandmufftwerkin9037

Жыл бұрын

@@Dilley_G45 I'm still fairly certain HMS Chubby Bunny might actually be a ship name from Royal Navy history.🐰

This format- single ship timeline, including the model with the damage and the vocal - is outstanding. Needs to be a continuing series. Although this must be extremely time consuming!!!

@robertstone9988

Жыл бұрын

He basically has a warspite video where he goes over the entire history of battle damage to the warspite. And he has one where he goes over what exactly sank the hood in detail or at least his opinion on it which I think is pretty founded and a step-by-step breakdown of the destruction of the Arizona as well. I would like to see a video on the destruction of HMS Barham.

@The_Modeling_Underdog

Жыл бұрын

@@robertstone9988 True. The Hood video was especially good.

@timengineman2nd714

Жыл бұрын

The model, and the hole punching, help explains things to everyone, even a "pit snipe" like me. British terms are sometimes different (to what they are now called in the US Navy), also turret names plus deck names have changed... (US Navy never had wing turrets so any clarification is helpful, especially when the SMS and the RN use different ways as well!)

@neilwilson5785

Жыл бұрын

This detailed view is so great.

@gregorywright4918

Жыл бұрын

How about doing the Hiei, the San Francisco, the Graf Spee, or the Musashi?

Seydlitz and Derflinger were both clearly hacking at Jutland. Seydlitz herself only deactivated GodMode upon reaching home, which is why she sank in harbour.

@georgestefanko7261

Жыл бұрын

They are both clearly Soviet designs by the wargaming devs.

@bernhardlangers778

Жыл бұрын

Warspite, New Zealand.... I call hack Vs hack.

@THEgodofAzurlanenodebate

Жыл бұрын

And warspite was hacking during WW2

@THEgodofAzurlanenodebate

Жыл бұрын

And enterprise

@dynamo1796

Жыл бұрын

@@THEgodofAzurlanenodebate Warspite has the longest ship to ship hit with a shell - totally fucking hacking

The fact that Drach has to preemptively defend himself against pearl-clutchers who may be aghast at the incompleteness/inaccuracy of the model is both hilarious and deeply sad. The Internet, ladies and gentlemen. Please keep your arms and legs inside the vehicle at all times and try not to stare overlong into the abyss.

@535phobos

Жыл бұрын

The paint scheme is wrong! The second funnel is supposed to be red when in battle! OUTRAGEOUS!!!!

@davidkaminski615

Жыл бұрын

Drach did not include a scale portrait of the Kaiser. And you call yourself a modeler!

@ScienceChap

Жыл бұрын

Pearl-clutchers... 🤭

@khaelamensha3624

Жыл бұрын

@@davidkaminski615 With the pointed helmet!

@sovietdominion

Жыл бұрын

on positive note then there are more naval entusiast then we think

I think its fair to say SMS Seydlitz was the German version of HMS Warspite and USS Enterprise.

@jessedierksheide

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@Benepene

Жыл бұрын

Multiplied by a factor of 2

@the_lost_navigator

Жыл бұрын

For damage-control comparisons - USS Franklin would be a better measure ;)

@Raptor747

Жыл бұрын

@@the_lost_navigator Good point. Seydlitz managed to barely pull off an impossible survival against what should have been certain death, albeit at the cost of being a wreck in need of extensive repairs afterwards. Enterprise took lots of punishment repeatedly, but always managed to recover or weather the damage well enough to make it the long way back home without trouble.

@bkjeong4302

Жыл бұрын

Were either of those two damaged THIS badly? Sure, they came close to sinking on multiple occasions, but Seydlitz actually did sink…and still lived to fight another day.

Seydlitz: "I go down on my own terms" Another fine member of the "too angry too die" club

@Aelxi

Жыл бұрын

Second best girl of the event behind (ofc) Thüringen!

@FM-hw8yv

Жыл бұрын

@@Aelxi what did Thüringen do to become part of the too angry to die Club? And in what battle?

@Aelxi

Жыл бұрын

@@FM-hw8yv was talking about a weeb game

@FM-hw8yv

Жыл бұрын

@@Aelxi Azur lane huh?

@Aelxi

Жыл бұрын

@@FM-hw8yv ya

The progressive use of the model was immensely helpful! I would highly recommend that you do this again with other actions and ships. I understand that the building of the model and then adding the damage effects can be quite time-consuming and laborious, but I feel it has truly helped deliver a superior video. Thank you for your labours in this.

@lappynaytor4605

Жыл бұрын

Yes indeed please consider doing this again it helps trumendous as a non native English speaker

@frankbodenschatz173

Жыл бұрын

And even as an american English speaker it's quite nice sir as well. Great battle damage as well. Some of the early WW2 Pacific skirmishes for sure to start with and Midway definitely would be a hit! And this got me to patreon status.

@bradleyl3

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree!

@frankhoeppel2314

Жыл бұрын

Drach - I bet, if you made requests, members would volunteer to build the relevant ship models so you can do more of these without driving yourself crazy. This is an excellent format.

@denisbannan6875

8 ай бұрын

Perhaps someone else could build the model for Drach. I'm in Perth WA. Sorry, Not an option

42:36 oh wow! Despite being terribly wounded Witting’s thoughts are for his men rather than himself! It seems to happen a fair amount in all militaries that wounded servicemen implore the responders to help their mates first despite their own terrible wounds! Whenever I come across incidents like that it never fails to make me emotional.

@dfgiuy22

Жыл бұрын

Don't let it bother you, or get to emotional about it it dude. The who point is to help others, yourself. There are few who are willing to do it. There are so many professions, armed forces, first responders, day care workers, medical personal, aged care.... Find something you want to do and go for it. It's not just limited to the military. Know a few servicemen/woman and it was just a job. Do something you love, and get paid for :) Don't fall for the 'this person does this and they must be x,y,z' Life takes all sorts :) plenty of teachers, firefighters, dentists have found themselves in dire situations and stood to be counted!

@andrewb1921

Жыл бұрын

Feel free to get emotional about this. Whitting putting the well-being of his companions ahead of his own need to have his potentially life threatening wounds treated. Your feelings respect and honor his sacrifice.

@Subpac_ww2

Жыл бұрын

I recall a story from the Quincy off Savo where a large section of radio antenna had fallen across the deck. A sailor came across his buddy pinned under it and was able to lift it, by himself, to free his mate. Later, with a group of men, they attempted to move this same section of antenna again, but with no crewmen under it in danger, they couldn't budge it.... The strength one gets from adrenaline in those situations can be immense.

@Paciat

Жыл бұрын

He could have just leave the ship... oh wait, he couldnt.

@stevemolloy1289

Жыл бұрын

It's called being in a state of shock,very common

Forget the British shells, Seydlitz should really be worried about the giant wave that's about to take her out @6:30

@TomSedgman

Жыл бұрын

I didn’t realise that Jutland took place on that black hole planet from Interstellar

@SirWilliamKidney

Жыл бұрын

@@TomSedgman Or maybe on the inside of a dyson sphere! Gasp!

@dsdy1205

Жыл бұрын

"Those aren't mountains..."

@Xino6804

Жыл бұрын

Ziggybamwa!!!! kzread.info/dash/bejne/mXprtdyIece8gbQ.html

@vikkimcdonough6153

Жыл бұрын

INCOOOOOMIIIIIIIŊŊŊŊ!!!!!

Seriously it’s like Doc Brown apologizing to Marty McFly because he didn’t have time to build the models to scale or paint them. Dude, it looks great!

@HumanityisEmbarrassing

10 ай бұрын

Well ACTUALLY.... 🤣

The fact that her crew kept their ship afloat was a miracle. RIP to the men who lost their lives in the battle on both sides.

I was first made aware about this ship as a school boy. My grandfather gave me a book in which the Seydlitz captains notes on Jutland were printed. He described how one of his crew, rerouted electric switches in a blacked out room by memory to keep the systems from collapse. I’ve always though the tale of its crew deserved a movie/book of their fight to save the ship. If anyone knows of a book devoted to the vessel , I’d be grateful.

@AtomicBabel

Жыл бұрын

The "Profile, Warship" series of booklets, number 14. Not a book, more like an extended 5 min guide with it's pictures and a centerfold.

@AnimeSunglasses

Жыл бұрын

What was the book you were given as a boy? I was very much like to read it myself.

@TheJuggtron

Жыл бұрын

Upvote for a movie

@barker262

Жыл бұрын

@@AnimeSunglasses couldn’t find the original book, but I had a look through my collection and found one with the same captains notes. Jutland 1916, death in grey wastes. Author Nigel steel and Peter hart. Page 127 in my copy has a full page of his after action report. Mentions the petty officer working circuits, and mentions a stoker having too continually re-enter a 72’ C room, to oil some failing bearings. Heroic stuff. The book itself is well worth the read.

@AnimeSunglasses

Жыл бұрын

@@barker262 thank you! ...72° C, what in tarnation... Man deserved a medal for that alone...

21 hits by heavy caliber, 35-40 by secondary battery, a torpedo... are we sure someone didn't turn on a magnet inside the ship?... to _attract_ shot?!

@falloutghoul1

Жыл бұрын

It's called "holding aggro".

@jlvfr

Жыл бұрын

@@falloutghoul1 guess he must have had awesome healers in his party, too. :D

@mrz80

Жыл бұрын

Well, when your formation is the focus of two dozen battleships' fire these things happen. I'm reminded of the somewhat poetic notation in one of my naval history tomes about "the awesome sight of the broadside fire of twenty four dreadnaughts" and how the High Seas Fleet mutinied in 1918 "rather than face that burning horizon again".

@pedrofelipefreitas2666

6 ай бұрын

It's the classic wolfpack tactic, you focus the attack on the most vulnerable target to get it out of the fight.

We need to fund a new Seydlitz model for Drach. I have visions of him at the workbench with a soldering iron and Dremel laughing maniacally during the filming of this video.

@LukeBunyip

Жыл бұрын

I think Mrs Drach had the Dremel..

@martinswiney2192

Ай бұрын

Nope. All holes were made with real scale model naval guns and shellfire including a bottle rocket used for the torpedo hole. 😅

As a scratchbuild modeler I actually LOVE lightly detailed/unfinished models like this because it makes it easy for me to see the basic building blocks of the upper structures. Makes it easy for me to understand the way all the structures fit together. So therefore I am actually grateful to see this model just the way it is!

Drach shooting at the model with a Webley Tempest air pistol was an interesting way to demonstrate the damage.

Dock worker: “Just how many hits did you take?” The exhausted damage control crew “yes”

@Yora21

Жыл бұрын

Admiral: "What did you do to this ship?!" Dock worker: "It was like that when we got it, I swear!"

@rileyernst9086

Жыл бұрын

"All of them"

@ShockwaveTheLogical

Жыл бұрын

"Honestly Rudolf, I stopped counting after hit 52."

Why there aren't more ww1 movies about the High Seas Fleet I cannot imagine. Emden, Seydlitz , Derrflinger, Gneisenau and Scharnhorst (version 1) are all great stories.

@jamesmaas7244

Жыл бұрын

There is a TV show in Germany called " The Man From Emden "(at least I think that's is what it translates to). It's about the crew on the Emden's ships boat and their journey home after the raid on the British fueling station.

@Gapsx1eGewehr

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I'd watch all of these in a heartbeat! I do suppose it has to do with the stigma that still exists regarding Germany and some certain World Wars and a certain mustache man that taints the legacy of the Kaiser's Empire before him. Ignorant people (or those who genuinely don't know the difference) would call these films "Nazi movies" and they'd be bad reviewed to all hell. If only we lived in a world where the Kaiserlichemarine could get its epic stories told on the big screen with no problem...

@ach3909

Жыл бұрын

@@Gapsx1eGewehr It bewilders me how modern media would portray anything nazi related as evil yet will just portray for instance Genghis Khan and the Mongol Empire as something epic and great, glossing over the amount of killing, pillaging and raping they did.

@luisnunes3863

Жыл бұрын

1. They lost. 2 Germany hasn't got a big budget film industry. 3. Germany has enough complexes from WWII that they could power Berlin if they could turn it into electricity. 😁😁😎😎

@riverraven7359

Жыл бұрын

@Joe Pineapples I mean pick one ship, not try to fill in a whole historical epic.

"Sitting quite jauntily up there" is a very adorable description for that casemate gun.

Royal Navy: In ancient times the royals had a job for a “whipping boy”, where a selected person would take beatings reserved for misbehaving royalty. SMS Seydlitz: Ja! you don’t say?

It is astounding how many hits a ship can take and still not sink. Respect for the crew that kept that ship in battle in spite of her numerous wounds.

The most impressive thing for me is the human sacrifice and pure human exhausting effort to keep this ship afloat even with water up to the bow at certain points. It's a testament to human effort in extraordinary times.

My Great great grandfather served on SMS Seydlitz, from Dogger Bank to Scapa Flow, I might never have known him but it still inspired me to join the navy. Maat Wilhelm Heidkamp, he was. But anyways, Great video as always Drachinifel! Very much enjoy your videos

@brucealbert4686

Жыл бұрын

My fave of the High Seas fleet along with Moltke which is similar

@Spindrift_87

Жыл бұрын

That's awesome! The same man in whose honour a destroyer was later named?

@themissouriranger2829

Жыл бұрын

@@Spindrift_87 I've been researching for awhile to make sure because I didn't find out about the destroyer until much later in my semi-long time of pursuing naval history and from what I've dug up it is! I won't quote myself on that because I could always be wrong but again, from my findings it appears to be.

@z1az285

Жыл бұрын

@@themissouriranger2829 Incredible story. SMS Seydlitz was an incredible ship with a even more extraordinary crew.

This hardy survivor of a ship inspired me so much I named myself after her. She was too angry to die, and didn't sink until she was DAMN WELL READY; I aspire to the same despite all the crap life throws my way. Go Seydlitz!

Another terrifically informative video. The model was a great way to illustrate the hits received by SMS Seydlitz. Top work as always, thank you Drach!

Oh man, having a model showing the impacts is absolutely brilliant for clarity. Much better than almost any collection 100 year old pictures can provide. Very well done good Sir. Next level stuff 👍🏻

I just cannot get over how well this presentation shows the actions. Astonishing clarity on the resolve and bravery all around. Makes Drachinifel one of the finest historians ever

Holy crap, this ship took one hell of a beating. Huge respect for the damage control crews and everyone else involved in saving this ship. Seems almost a pity it wound up scuttled after the war, after surviving all that.

@mrz80

Жыл бұрын

Seydlitz deserved to be a museum ship, if only as a monument to the intrepidity and dogged determination of her crew.

Seydlitz is the undefeated world record holder in fast reloading of it's 11 inch guns, performed at the Doggerbank. After both stern turrets blew up (when Wilhelm Heidkamp opened the red glowing valves with his hands to save the ship, which lowered Seydlitz' stern for 1,5 meters), the captain thought after the explosion, the entire ship will be lost. So he wanted to cover the retreat of the other 2 battlecruisers and ordered "good & rapid fire" for the 3 remaining turrets. Seydlitz fired 128 shells in 6 rounds as per minute, best turret crews in history.

Must have been hell for the crew. I can't imagine the stress levels. It's quite amazing that despite all these hits, more than 90% of the crew survived.

38:11 When a torpedo boat shows up to finish your ship, and then turns away to find a target that needs torpedoes to commence sinking, you've hit rock bottom.

@justforever96

Жыл бұрын

I think you misheard. The German Admiral arrived on a torpedo boat looking for a ship to transfer his command to, and decided on a ship less close to sinking. No one was going to torpedo anyone.

Drach, using the model to walk through the sequence of hits is a genius presentation. 👏

When the Brits scrapped Friederich Der Grosse, one of the British naval officers remarked that she would have been the very devil to sink. The Seydlitz was counted by the RN as sunk at Jutland, what a surprise for them when she sailed into Scappa Flow. During her return and repairs many of the crew were trapped in water tight compartments. They were fed soup through voice tubes until freed.

Every time I watch the intro at :23 all I can imagine is that the Admiral's son is next to the gun at a card table assembling all the pages of the 116 page research assignment that will finally allow him acceptance at the exclusive school that his esteemed father attended.

@josephthomas8318

Жыл бұрын

I've never noticed that lol

@moosepocalypse6500

Жыл бұрын

I've noticed that before myself and wondered what all the bits of paper (if that's what they are) were... 🤔

@captain61games49

Жыл бұрын

0:23

@sillypuppy5940

Жыл бұрын

I just listen for the "booms"

@gandydancer9710

Жыл бұрын

@@moosepocalypse6500 Water shields between gun barrel and turret face, I believe. I believe Drach has mentioned that it was SOP to let them disintegrate when the gun was first fired rather than remove them.

It is still a major crime that no great director (I could think of Peter Jackson as a promising candidate) ever made a movie about this battle. So many interesting aspects.

I love how the "Most played" part is literally just the people skipping the ad and continuing to watch the entire video without ever going back to do a double take. IMO this is a pretty solid praise for Drach, being a very easy to follow and understand orator.

The "Never Say Die!" Attitude of SMS Seydlitz & her crew (Likewise IJN Shokaku & USS Franklin) fired up the imagination of a young history buff, the Teamwork & Tenacity necessary to overcome the battle damage to live another day was a motivator for me to join the US Navy and volunteer for the Silent Service. Now USN Retired, these stories still stir my Soul. Mahalo for another Fine Chapter.👍

Given the beating Seydlitz survived perhaps she should be promoted to Fast Battleship.

Drachinfel is the gold standard for naval history. Great episode. So many brave sailors on both sides. The damage from the splintering decks disabling gun muzzles is something I didn't think was possible. The force of water shoving the mighty barrels and torrents into fixed positions from the shells explosions is another.

I will always find the photos of the damage done to the ships at Jutland unreal. Those ships took a ridiculous amount of punishment and Seydlitz is perhaps the best example. Saying she "limped" into port is an understatement. Also, I love the design of those ships from the first era of Battlecruisers. Whether it's Seydlitz, with her unconventional bow and wing turrets or the Invincible & Indefatigable class with their level near straight deck and super structures. I love their uniqueness; they just look fast.

@mrz80

Жыл бұрын

"...limped into port..." Hmm.... maybe "...wallowed into port..." or "... didn't *quite* sink on her way into port..." How many tons of water was she hauling around with her by the time she finally got home?

@trauko1388

Жыл бұрын

@@mrz80 5239 tons of water

@trauko1388

Жыл бұрын

Those photos are of Seydlitz ALREADY under repair, with turrets open and guns taken out of them. Most of the flooding on Seydlitz was due to the weather and the fact that she was run at 20kts with a bunch of hull holes at night in order to reach its post at the van of the HSF. "The possibility of submarine attack to the southward of Heligoland was feared, and against this the Seydlitz was virtually defenceless as only one AA gun was usable on each side, and counter-manoeuvring impossible with the ship steaming astern at 3-5kts, so that anti-submarine protection lay entirely with the minesweeper screen and the Pillau. The latter piloted the Seydlitz towards the jade by continual signalling, as the battlecruiser's speed was too low and the current from the Jade mouth too strong, for her to steer in the Pillau's wake, but the difficult task of selecting a route with 50ft of water was accomplished, the Outer jade lightship was passed at 0730 and 20 minutes later the Seydlitz anchored off the bar as, to the general surprise, the starboard anchor, cable and cable­holder were still in order amid the wreckage of the forecastle. The wounded were now taken off the ship, and at the next high water at noon, the Seydlitz again proceeded stern first, assisted by the sea-going tug Albatross, and crossed the bar. Sufficient water was found inside the bar and it was decided not to beach the Seydlitz for patching NW by N of the Minsener Sand lightship as originally intended. All went well until 1420 when the Seydlitz grounded outside the boom and her stern swung across in the very strong ebb. At 1930 her stern swung round on the flood tide and at 2000 she came off with her stern towards the boom. The Albatross could not bring her stern round, and was holed by the starboard outer propeller in an attempt to make fast alongside. The Seydlitz was virtually unmanageable in the strong flood tide, and it was impossible to point either her stern or bow towards the boom gate until about 2300 when she passed the gate going ahead, and at 0325 3 June anchored in the Vareler Deep. It was now possible for divers to examine the under-water damage, and some patching work was done, while the Boreas, various other pumps supplied by the dockyard and the ship's own drainage system, pumped out the bunkers and other gradually filling compartments. The broadside torpedo flat could be kept drained, and endangered bulkheads, particularly that at the forward end of the foremost boiler room, were made secure. As much weight as possible was removed from the forward part of the ship, including both I 1 in guns, the roof and some of the armour plates of `A' turret. Although the Seydlitz took the ground temporarily at low water and some of the under-water damage was thus accessible, the patching and draining work was hindered by the strong currents, and also by the Seydlitz often having to maintain her position with her engines as the anchor did not hold. It was thus decided to bring the ship into the South Lock of the Third Entrance, which measured 853 ft x 114ft loin with a depth at MHWS of 45ft at the outer sill and 36ft at the inner, and complete the patching in the shelter of the lock, so that the Seydlitz's draught could be reduced sufficiently for her to enter the dockyard. Accordingly at high water 1430 6 June, the Seydlitz, assisted by a powerful tug fore and aft, entered the South Lock stern first, drawing 45ft 11 in forward and 2 3 ft 3in aft, and with a list to port of 5-8°. The patching now made rapid progress, and the compartments between the forward citadel and foremost boiler-room bulkheads, the bunkers, and finally the compartments in the forward part of the ship, below and above the armour deck, were gradually drained. The l lin guns were also removed from the port wing turret, and by the morning of 13 June draught figures were 34ft 3in forward and 28ft 1 in aft with very little if any list. At 0540 that day the Seydlitz was towed out of the lock, and at 0815 was in the large Wilhelmshaven floating dock."

@jona.scholt4362

Жыл бұрын

The photos of her in dry dock are impressive but the ones I was really thinking of were of her still sailing with her bow nearly submerged. In any case, both are insane and a testament to her construction and the crews damage control. When I think of damage control my mind usually goes straight to the Pacific fleet in WW2 and Franklin barely holding on but there is no doubt Seydlitz is right up there.

@trauko1388

Жыл бұрын

@@jona.scholt4362 Seydlitz survived because she was torpedoed earlier in the war damaging the forward torpedo flat and, after repairs, was thoroughly tested for water tightness, failed the test, and repaired again to ensure the job was done right... so at Jutland, the ONLY part that didnt leak and took on water on the bow and thus kept the ship afloat, was the forward torpedo flat. So, Seydlitz was saved by a British torpedo.

Very good idea to use the model for showing the hits. This was very useful. Additional Information: It was Wilhelm Heidkamp assitend by Franz Müller who saved Seydlitz at the Battle of Dogger Bank when he flooded the magazine by opening the red hot valves, burning his hands and lungs, injuries from which he never recovered. The Kriegsmarines Destroyer Z21 was namend in his hounr.

@osvaldoruiz3826

Жыл бұрын

I have information that it was Lt commander Hagerdorn who saved the ship by being able to open the valves that where red hot because of the fires, , Read it in Luis de la Sierra books Sea battles in The Great War

@danubiosalas4231

8 ай бұрын

@@osvaldoruiz3826I suspect having burned hands and a destroyer named after you is a pretty strong argument.

Thankyou, mate. My maternal grandmother lost three brothers on the Queen Mary. Their name was Hunt. Unknown whether it was the Seydlitz or Derlinger that sunk her. Certainly helpful.

@Arbiter099

Жыл бұрын

Three brothers on one ship? Did the Navy have an equivalent to the Pals battalions?

@simonbletsoe7059

Жыл бұрын

Actually it was two. The other died on the western front. Mistaken, sorry.

@alexhunt7810

Жыл бұрын

London family?

@simonbletsoe7059

Жыл бұрын

No, Alex. Suffolk.

@simonbletsoe7059

Жыл бұрын

@@Arbiter099 The younger brother joined the navy as a boy, at 15. the elder joined after learning of this. I suppose the navy was considerate of the boys youth and allowed them to serve together. Tragic.

If the helmsman wasn't drunk during the battle i'm sure he hit the bottle hard after it :D

The physical model with applied damage is better than anything digital. Kickass!

I never realized how vulnerable casement secondaries were and how much of a risk to the entire ship the casement design system was until watching this. Interesting stuff, thanks for all of the research and presentation work, excellent video Drach!

One of the best videos you've done. Adding the model as a visual aid conveys a very clear picture of the battle and damage progression.

Well done! Well done! Excellent blow-by-blow of the battle endured by Seydlitz! As an old engineroom operator I can just imagine sitting down there for hours listening, feeling, and smelling the battle above wondering about signing those enlistment papers...

@vikkimcdonough6153

Жыл бұрын

Wouldn't they've been conscripts, rather than having enlisted voluntarily?

@bullnukeoldman3794

Жыл бұрын

@@vikkimcdonough6153 I was referring mostly to myself. I'm sure those poor guys were conscripts from German farming communities.

@blorblor5438

Жыл бұрын

@@bullnukeoldman3794 conscripts from farming communities went to the infantry, conscripts for the ships usually had some more education and often had a background as mechanics.

Seydlitz after each hit: Tis only a flesh wound! jk That being said, I did want to say that it was immensely interesting to see the damage caused with each hit on a model of Seydlitz. Living through the Battle of Jutland must have been an horrific experience. My heart goes out to those on both sides who served in the battle. Nice work, sir!

Grand Fleet: "Why won't you die?!" Seydlitz: "German engineering sons."

I always knew Seydlitz took one hell of a beating but my god, this video makes it seem that there was quite honestly inches of water away from the ship being lost. I truly cannot believe how much this one ship took. Also this shows just how much kinetic and chemical energy dreadnaught caliber shells had. ones that either didnt explode or did so outside the armor still absolutely shredded the interior of this ship like swiss cheese. crazy thinking how steel that is as thick as it was on this could be bent and perforated like it was tin foil. great video as always Drach

@mrz80

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, by the time she made port, main deck nearly awash, she looked more like an old American coastal monitor rather than an ocean-going battlecruiser

If that is ONLY a week's worth of model building, you ROCK.

What a beautiful ship, your video has really made me appreciate their engineering and the immense contribution of the German crew.

I think this video was put together excellently; I'd be interested in seeing a full series like this, breaking down each individual hit on a ship using models to visualise it. I wonder what Kirishima would look like in this kind of video. The hits she received from Washington were brutal.

Shows how well she was built and the skill of the crew that she made it though all that and back home

@stillcantbesilencedevennow

Жыл бұрын

A tiny bit of luck doesn't hurt either. She certainly SHOULD have sunk, but their efforts saved it, despite the massive damage. I wonder if somewhere in all the madness, their survival hinged upon a tiny thing.

I'm now imagining von Egidy arriving on the dock in Wilhelmshaven saying, "Would anyone now like a slightly battered SMS Seydlitz, in need of a good touch-up, also noting we left a few gribblies behind? You'll know where to find me". This detailed account of the hits Seydlitz took really brings alive the level of damage the ship survived, and the terrible loss of life and human suffering involved. Thanks for putting this video together.

It really underscores the gravity of the issue with the shells. How frustrating it must be to finance design and build the fleet, practice in its use, put dozens of shots on target, and thousands of men making the ultimate sacrifice in the course of battle, only to inflict merely a glancing blow as the tip of your spear shatters on your enemies armor. Seydlitz is impressive and her crew valiant, but I also feel for a British crew that effectively defeated their opponent repeatedly but with much reduced yield

@Sophocles13

Жыл бұрын

Similar to The Mark 14 Torpedo that let down so many US Sailors, with perfect shots leading to no kills. Or faulty British artillery shells during the Battle of the Somme, where up to 30% of shells failed to detonate, and those that did didn't have the intended effect on target. Or when the US Army changed the powder formulation of the early M16 ammunition during the Vietnam War, leading to horrendous reliability of the weapons fielded early in the war. So many lives let down when the moment came and they depended on their equipment :/

@mrz80

Жыл бұрын

@@Sophocles13 That was exactly the parallel that popped into mind. Every time I read about a munition issue I immediately go "ahem, Mk 14 torpedo" :|

New Drach video providing an examination of apparently (allegedly?) survivable battle damage from one of the German battlecruisers at Jutland?!? YAY! Well played, Sir. 👏🏻👍🏼🔥

And just after I finished watching the Jutland videos for the 60th time. You love to see it

This last entry on the miraculous survival of the Seydlitz made me realize once again of The Fog of War, and how, despite cheering on the British Navy (as "The Good Guys") yet still praying the German Navy gives as well as it gets. With my sympathies wholly on Seydlitz, it reminded me of wild animal doco's where "Some days we root for the Lion; some days we root for the Gazelle." I probably messed up the phrase, but it's possible most understood what I meant :\

Nice work, Drach. I could see this same kind of thing being done for many other historic ships of war (where the records exist, of course.) But I find it tragic that Seydlitz survived such a pounding only to meet its fate at the hands of its own crew at Scapa Flow.

@camenbert5837

Жыл бұрын

I think anyone on the ship at Jutland had fully earned the right to do that.

In regard to pronounciation: It is most probably [aɪ̯] (as in 'eye'). "ey" and "ei" were frequently written for the same diphtong until the late 19th century. Within the old Prussian dynasty the name is spelled Seydlitz or Seidlitz for other branches of the family. Thanks for great content, as always, and greeting form landlocked Austria

@davidelliott5843

Жыл бұрын

I would have said “Side” for the Seid spelling or “Say” for the Sey version. The ship had both spellings so both must be correct.

@christianherzog8629

Жыл бұрын

​@@davidelliott5843 The difference in spelling here most likely does not correspond to different pronounciation. Different spelling for the same pronounciation (heterograms) are still quite frequent in German names today. In the 19th century and earlier 'ei' and 'ey' are frequently used for the same words (e.g. 'sein' or 'seyn', to be). The first uniform spelling conventions in Prussia were established 1880 and don't affect the spelling of names at all. You can find both variants (Seydlitz and Seidlitz) in genealogical handbooks. Unless one branch of the family actually wanted to be pronounced differently (in a more french or polish manner, quite unlikely for prussian/silesian high aristocracy) its just another way of spelling.

@korbendallas5318

Жыл бұрын

@@davidelliott5843 I'm only 90% sure about the Seydlitz' pronounciation, but I'm 99% sure that there would only be one. Unified spelling was still a new thing back then (1901), but people talked to each other all the time.

@toddwebb7521

Жыл бұрын

Having trouble thinking of other "ey" examples but for sure if the alternate way of spelling the name is "ei" that's definitely pronounced I

@Leon_der_Luftige

Жыл бұрын

@@davidelliott5843 That's nonsense.

Not related but USS Texas BB35 just left her mooring on the way to Galveston for dry docking.

@Aelxi

Жыл бұрын

Love the fact that they're streaming it

@ronaldmorton6852

Жыл бұрын

Been watching the live stream

@mahbriggs

Жыл бұрын

Yay!

We’ll done! Speaks volumes about German battle cruiser design and seamanship of the time.

I'm usually more of a fan of waterline models, but for this a full model is perfect. Thank you for your great effort drach

An amazing story of skill and survival. I am surprised by the engineering and skill of the crew that allowed those battleships to take such a pounding. And the willingness of the crews to endure it.

Wow, amazing video. Thanks so much for the time and effort

Another excellent and well documented production. Thank you.

The picture at 38:13 is one of the most impressive things I've seen in a long while. Can you imagine going through all of that? Think about it...put yourself in the shoes of a seaman on that ship. That has to be the high watermark (pun intended) of terror and doom. I don't see how people came out of that with their sanity intact. Damn!

@Yora21

Жыл бұрын

Could be worse. You could be in the arctic ocean. In december. In a storm. And hopelessly outnumbered.

@pollauritsabrahamsenjq1618

Жыл бұрын

Worse things happen at sea

I can't help but imagine Drach as Doc Brown in Backto the future, explaining he didnt have time to finish the model.

This is much more demonstrative than any CGI!

Thank you for this very interesting video. Great idea to use the modell to show the hits, and well done!

I am continually amazed at the work and effort you put into these videos! The model is an excellent example, and was a very good way to help illustrate the location and sequence of the hits!

I have to say that the Seydlitz is one of the most beautiful warships ever built. However, you know that famous picture with her bow barely above the water? Everyone needs to remember that Seydlitz has a raised forecastle and a lowered stern... She is tilted way way forward.

@5000mahmud

Жыл бұрын

German WW1 ships certainly had a distinctive look, with most of their ships funnels and superstructures being close to the waterline

I love this format. Thank you for posting. informative and entertaining

Excellent video, the model and the damage really brings it to life. Keep up the good work.

Absolutely superb video! The visualization on the model, while no doubt laborous, was incredibly helpful. Especially in combination with the historic photographs, it made the hits and damage much less abstract.

35:49 this damaged barrel can be seen (and touched) at the German Navy Museum Wilhelmshaven. EDIT: Well, Drach just said it a few seconds later lol.

Great video, loved the detailed info with timeline! Thank you

Awesome! Was always fascinated how she made it back to port! Thanks Drach… you are amazing!

Thank you for this fascinating video. The use of the scale model of Seydlitz to illustrate the location of hits was a brilliant idea which makes it easier for the audience to understand where the hits landed and the scale of the damage related to each hit. Bravo!

Honestly Drach, thank you so much for this video! I often have a hard time understanding through words where ships took hits and the extent of damage, even the damage charts you used during the guadalcanal videos don't always make sense to me. But seeing it on a model it makes so much sense in my brain, It would be bool to see more videos like this in the future

Great video! Model + your commentary were extremely informative. Nice work indeed.

Excellent review. Love this kind of content

Simply OUTSTANDING! The representation of damage was unique. Liked how ship movements to were tied into the timeline. A video illustrating how you modeled the damage would be interesting. BRAVO!

What a beast of a ship and salute to the spirit of the crew keeping her going.

Thanks very much for your rendition of the Seydlitz at Jutland. Your expertise is much appreciated.

A wonderful presentation. Thank you so much..

Lovely work. It’s hard to visualize the pounding that any capital ship can take. This was the best visual report I have ever seen on how the damage accrued and what happens when a ship takes this kind of damage.

Drach talking about his model of _Seydlitz_ makes me want to restart work on _Warspite_

@sugarnads

Жыл бұрын

Make sure to include her plot armour.

This was amazing, thank you. Loved the use of the model.

fantastic as always. thanks Drach

Actually, I imagine the helmsman as Lt Dan from Forrest Gump, shaking his fist and screaming into the maelstrom 'You'll never sink this ship!'

@merafirewing6591

Жыл бұрын

Either him or Hector Barbossa are the best descriptions for the helmsman.

Fantastic video! I love the use of the model of SMS Seydlitz as well as the smaller models showing the ships position. The Kaiser Marine did well to learn from their earlier mistakes regarding ammunition handling

@Fitzwalrus06

Жыл бұрын

As a long-time naval miniature gamer I found the use of the small minis to show relative positions and perspective view very useful, much more so than the usual static top-down fleet maps one usually sees.👍 And where did that sea mat come from? That's gorgeous!😎

Thank you so much. I absolutely love these type of videos. Man she took a beating an gave one. Always loved this telling of ww1.

What a fantastic video! The job you did using the model was fantastic. It made everything clear. Thank you.

Slightly off topic but yesterday I finally got to go visit the USS Constitution and Cassin Young! Was the only thing I wanted to do in that entire week I got dragged out to the east coast. I was able to reference a LOT of what I saw from your video on it, and having learned about everything from carronades to the ammunition types to the furnace for heating shot, it made the whole visit even more fun. So thanks again for what you do Drach, your obsessive naval historiography really does make a difference.

Been waiting for a damage analysis on a KLM BC. Very well presented. I am surprised how much damage was done by splinters alone to armoured parts of the ship. Just a shame we lack oral history from both sides. So many stories of the bravery and heroism that kept her somehow afloat with a ping pong ball worth of positive buoyancy have died with her crew.

Great video D. Model really helped me visualize situational damage.

Ok this is a fantastic format to present this information in! I hope we see more like this in the future!