Hi everyone! Thanks for 100K views! When I first made this video, I wasn’t even expecting to get a tiny percentage of that! All these comments have made my day. A few misconceptions I want to talk about: - The reason why some moves / characters aren’t in this video is because I wanted to limit it to 10 minutes. I can assure you that I do think Pyra / Mythra are “broken” too lol - I know a version of the Luigi 0-to-Death was patched early, but I’m referring to the specific combo shown in the video that has existed for about 4 years - Kazuya Mishima Thanks again for watching :)

@PomadaGaming

Жыл бұрын

Deserved,pretty cool pretty nice I thought of Aegis as well but Kazuya and Steve are certainly causing more buzz;so you know.

@trix5258

Жыл бұрын

watched this when it had like 600 views (around 3 days when it came out) crazy how much it grown over the week

@lirehsa

Жыл бұрын

Can you add the sources to the songs (specifically the steve section?)

@ShiningSilvally

Жыл бұрын

Ngl, Steve & Kazuya are obnoxious, but even if that is the case, I can still have fun combo-fooding them with Pikachu or Pichu. Believe me. When I say that spiking them with the D-Air, Thunder-blasting them off-stage, or just spamming B-Air for HILARIOUS combos is a pallete cleanser, *I MEAN IT.* -That's why those two are the best in the game, anyway(Fight me, if you think otherwise.).-

@elemental_tha_god

Жыл бұрын

y no joker or mrya mythra

As a Tekken player: He's your problem now.

@ED-gw9rg

22 күн бұрын

What the hell does that mean? Isn't he, like, just the alright starting character in Tekken?!

@jeje_705

22 күн бұрын

​@@ED-gw9rg kazuya is NOT a beginner character in tekken

@FrostXB

20 күн бұрын

​​@@jeje_705 He's a hard character, and yes, i play Tekken and i still strugglin with EWGF

@heckincat1406

19 күн бұрын

​@@ED-gw9rgLmao not at all, one of the hardest characters even.

@joaoflaviobandeira3642

14 күн бұрын

Akuma in tekken 7

This man basically said what we are all thinking about smash ultimate in one nice video. The worst part is, none of these characters are going to get nerfed because there are no more patches for smash ultimate.

@shellytonz2856

Жыл бұрын

They don't need to. All of these moves have counter play and the characters aren't absurd :)

@themarioking7127

Жыл бұрын

@@shellytonz2856 if the moves shown here had very good counter play THEY WOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE. BRUH

@DeepfriedBeans4492

Жыл бұрын

@@shellytonz2856 everything technically has “counterplay”, but you do realize the person using the busted characters can use counterplay against the counterplay, right? So if they have a lot more strong options to use then the opponent has to be a lot luckier in their predictions and/or much more careful which still results in a big advantage for the player using the broken character. In steve’s case you can do stuff to get around his blocks but it’s such an uphill battle that puts so much urgency on you to attack a character who has tons of trapping moves and with kazuya it’s to be absurdly cautious about actually playing the game, which is poor design and not enjoyable.

@shaghilathar3588

Жыл бұрын

​@@DeepfriedBeans4492 When a ton of characters can outrange Kazuya and most people already play with those styles he's easy to beat. Rushdown characters can speed blitz him and long range characters can out zone him

@heroboss3608

Жыл бұрын

Play Neutral. Just literally get used the characters ong.

Steve is alot like S4 Cloud. If you approach him, he wins. If you don’t approach him, he wins

@TheSharkAnt

8 ай бұрын

He's supposed to be weak to rushdown characters, but a lot of characters who lose to him are are rushdown characters.

@dhans9662

20 күн бұрын

Hes sm4sh cloud with Bayonetta combos

@nightslash20

8 күн бұрын

I mean, Sonic can deal with him pretty well.....and I'd rather have a speedy hog than a game breaking character

@DragonMaster1818

6 күн бұрын

Mining=Limit Charge But he can actually prevent you from getting to him with blocks which is worse.

Steve looks absurd to actually fight, but looking in from outside, him being this ridiculous looks hilarious to watch

@vivelespatat2670

Жыл бұрын

We need more funny characters

@ryanhernandez8324

Жыл бұрын

5:54 Steve segment for me and the other Steve lovers

@thechugg4372

Жыл бұрын

He's an incredibly fun party game and really cemented the fact that ultimate is the least competitive smash game, add the insane lag and input buffer and you know just play this game for fun, dont try to play it seriously like the others.

@keeislegend

Жыл бұрын

I love Steve he looks so fun

@daneshannon884

Жыл бұрын

@@thechugg4372 Brawl and Sm4sh exists

Steve makes the whole rest of the game look balanced and thoroughly thought out

@nubunto

Ай бұрын

Fr I don’t play ultimate anymore but having a projectile command grab is a bit crazy. Plus no lag landing on blocks, plus that disgusting back throw into a block… what were the devs thinking

The fact that neither Steve or Kazuya really got patched before the end to reduce SOME of their wonkyness is what baffles me to this day.

Although Smash Ultimate has caused a lot of frustration in my life (Quickplay, losing to disjoints as a Jigglypuff main, etc), this is still one of my favorite games of all time.

@peterduprey7286

Жыл бұрын

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

@fiamma_1585

Жыл бұрын

Jigglypuff main... I understand you... My poor Jigglypuff just can't hit elite 😂

@Carlisho

Жыл бұрын

I hate myself for loving this game so much, 2.5k hours and man do I sometimes wish I saved those 😂

@alexandrocorona9283

Жыл бұрын

For me it was smash four and honestly I can see how Bayonetta contributed to this wack gameplay of ultimate

@DragonMaster1818

6 күн бұрын

As a pt main I partially agree with the disjoint thing, and even if I suck I still love the game too :)

"Luigi wins by doing nothing" Now what happens if he does do something

@DragonMaster1818

6 күн бұрын

Time comes to a stop, the entire universe vanishes in an instant, and Luigi is the supreme ruler of all 69 universes

I think Kazuya has the exact same issues that Bayo had in Smash 4, which is the fact that they feel *exactly* out of their original game. Which ordinarily, wouldn't be bad! It's bad when it comes to Tekken, a game known for it's high skill ceiling, but high reward system (And it's been made slightly easier for smash purposes, iirc EWGF is no longer frame perfect) Or Bayo, who came from a character action game, a genre known for just basically being "Blend your enemies into a fine paste."

@YourAverageLink

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention the justification some people give is "but Kazuya's disadvantage is bad." My memory of smash 4 bayo is kinda fuzzy but wasn't that cited as a bayo weakness and a defense for her? (Bonus points for the fact that Pyra & Mythra are like S4 cloud, their only real weakness is recovery)

aegis dodging the “broken and OP” allegations 😭😭 amazing video!!

@xenocross6597

Жыл бұрын

Oops.

@redshepherd32

Жыл бұрын

Pythra is a dumb character. But Steve is worse because he is basically playing a different game from most of the cast.

@bigtoblerone8446

Жыл бұрын

FORESIGHT

@themonkeyman2910

Жыл бұрын

Here the thing with Pythra, alright? She’s really good, this is no suprise. Glorious combos with Mythra, and early kills with Pyra. But. Pythra isn’t broken in the same way that Kazuya and Steve is. Kazuya and Steve don’t really have many weaknesses. They are good in almost everything, from combos, to kills, to recoveries, and especially in jank. But Pythra doesn’t really have that. She doesn’t have a gimmick nearly as insane as Kazuya and Steve’s. She simply becomes quicker but weaker, or stronger but slower. And, Pythra also struggles with her recovery. Something that Kazuya and Steve don’t struggle with. Basically: Kazuya and Steve’s only real weakness is the skill of the guy playing them. Pythra, however, has an actual area in the game that she struggles in. Yeah, Pythra is kind of bullshit, sometimes. But compared to Kazuya and Steve, she isn’t all that bad.

@dego-mon

Жыл бұрын

As a part time Aegis main, its kinda cuz she has good stuff but has weaknesses. Like Pyra has high damage, Mythra has combos, and Steve has both and camping and a command grab projectile. Also unlike the best 2 characters in the game no 0-to-deaths

I do like how Steve's combos are truly based on the creativity and imagination of the player. it represents minecraft as whole rather well (even if it is broken)

@Oreca2005

Жыл бұрын

That's one way to think about Your making me see a wider view of Steve

@pip3169

Жыл бұрын

@@Oreca2005 now imagine an online steve duo who both are good at playing as steve and have good communication and coordination. What I imagine is someone breaking there switch afterwards.

@Oreca2005

Жыл бұрын

@@pip3169 I'd rather be amused on how well they played instead

@Moooniemoon

Жыл бұрын

Its more so place block grab or just spam jab. The the of the kit hits uneccisarily hard

@pip3169

Жыл бұрын

@@Moooniemoon yeah but if you are willing to put in the effort/get lucky then you could actually pull it off

One thing I think a lot of people overlook is that, yes it is very upsetting to play AGAINST most characters (every character). But it's also very fun to play YOUR character.

@redshepherd32

Жыл бұрын

Translation: it's fun to win and I don't care if you hate me.

@Giyothecoolkid2338

Жыл бұрын

@@redshepherd32 same lmao

@Thelowestofthelowtiers

Жыл бұрын

I wish I could have fun playing Doc if I didn't get T-Bagged after getting edge guarded.

@gingerninja1080

Жыл бұрын

@@Thelowestofthelowtiers I play Mac and incineroar and doc so its 3 times as bad for me

@thecountercounter9127

Жыл бұрын

Definitely plays rob and/or Kazuya and/or steve

2:33 small correction: this WAS actually patched once, that patch is the reason the combo ends in up-air up-b instead of d-air up-b so basically it was a nothing patch, but there was an attempt to patch it

@survivorofthecurse717

Жыл бұрын

It still is there, which was the point. However, he missed 2 crucial parts to his 0td: SDI (to very little surprise), and damaging yourself. If you can damage yourself with your own kit or using Luigi's fireballs, you can put yourself above 0td percent, and his combos weakness a decent bit

@zauztheblacksmith

Жыл бұрын

@@survivorofthecurse717 I personally try and throw him offstage and then intentionally get hit by his side-b as he tries to recover.

@Saben.C-Spoon

Жыл бұрын

They nerfed it at the beginning and Luigi mains immediately found a workaround and they never tried again lol I wonder what a spike on stage dair would have done for luigis combos in the future, we never got to see because it was patched out so fast

@mr.mcklockwork3828

Жыл бұрын

Lets be honest. What the hell would luigi do without it

@Mepphy99

Жыл бұрын

but tbh Luigi is shit without It so he can keep It

I'm very pleased that you're following the spirit of Heeew after his hiatus.

Surprised you didn't mention that R.O.B's side-B can also reflect projectiles. It's far from the best reflector but it makes life harder for zoners and gives R.O.B. a trick up his sleeve against characters with big killing projectiles (Cloud Limit Blade Beam, Hero Kafrizz, Robin Thoron, Samus, Mewtwo, etc.

@DragonMaster1818

6 күн бұрын

Yeah but I’ve almost never seen a rob actually reflect with side b, it’s like one of the rarest usages of a reflector in the entire game

@100organicfreshmemes5

6 күн бұрын

@@DragonMaster1818It isn't gonna be pulled out a lot due to how laggy it is yeah, but against the mentioned "big killing projectiles" it makes ROB better than characters without one.

Ever since Smash Ult's final DLC, they pretty much said "K, we're done". Sadly, none of these things will be fixed. Everyone and their mother in Quickplay and elsewhere will continue to abuse these things, toxicity will continue.

@zachmercer1065

13 күн бұрын

it’s online smash, toxicity would’ve continued even if they changed these things lmao

@DragonMaster1818

6 күн бұрын

Still more balanced than literally every other smash title combined

Link also has a special property, namely that he gets 90% boost to his fall speed when fast falling, which is more than the 60% boost that the majority of characters get. This is why Link, despite not having very high fall speed, has one of the best fastfalls in the game, which makes his nair that much more op

I find it funny that, even before the end of Smash Ultimate's lifespan, the strongest character in the game by *far* is... Steve. Not Kazuya, the character plagued with obscene moves from his 3D title. Not Pyra and Mythra, the tag-team duo with great speed and kill power combined into one. Not Palutena, the versatile goddess with tools for basically everything. Not ROB, despite how easy he is to play and how powerful his simple stuff is. Not even Pikachu, the dedicated (at least) high-tier character because of his archetype. It's Steve. The block man with an absurd amount of jank. The Lego figure with grounded aerials and instant ledge kills. The ugly duckling that became the swan once he learned how to land. Steve. It's fucking Steve.

@DragonMaster1818

6 күн бұрын

Everyone already figured that out, but honestly the fact that frickin Steve from Minecraft as the meta in smash ultimate is hilarious to me imo.

Fantastic job editing this! It was a lot of fun to watch

i only use steve to troll. it makes the game sooo hilarious

@picklemorty2826

Жыл бұрын

Hey Angel. I diagnose you with skill issue

@Fvckallofyou1

Жыл бұрын

@@picklemorty2826 look Rick! I turned myself into a pickle! It’s me, pickle Morty!

@Nokyyyyy

Жыл бұрын

I'm not good enough to play him the cool way :( But I love him

@riotron1026

Жыл бұрын

Appropriate. Steve always felt like a troll character players use to be obnoxious and aggravate their opponents.

@Fvckallofyou1

Жыл бұрын

@@riotron1026 > builds a fourth battlefield platform > uses it to tech chase your ass > wins set > refuses to elaborate

Honestly, Kazuya and Steve are the top contenders for "What bs are they gonna pull this time?" Leaning more to Steve simply because of his block, minecart and anvil mechanics...

I think it"s funny that link had a section about his nair being broken, RIGHT AFTER mii brawler's section even tho his nair's just as dumb if not more (pretty much does everything better than link's apart from range + grant him insane combos)

@emanueltheodorus1056

Жыл бұрын

Brawler's Nair should've been mentioned. That move gave him some of the best combos in the game and is frame 3, safe on shield, spammable, and lingers for so long.

@jaredalanis396

Ай бұрын

Nowhere near as safe in terms of challenging moves tho. No or very small disjoint, low priority, doesnt beat projs, if your opponent is throwing out a move unlike Links this isnt a pseudo shield in midair

3:00 I wouldn't have died there

@xen3588

Жыл бұрын

joe

@lysuudu8604

Жыл бұрын

that’s crazy

@xenocross6597

Жыл бұрын

It was pretty bad DI

@thunderd7904

Жыл бұрын

It’s not really a choice when you’re Cloud against Min Min at ledge

what a great video, it's so good. The best thing is that I don't even play Smash anymore, I just got bored of it (I stopped to play around the the time of Steve release, probably earlier, I don't remember) and now I play other fighting games, but I had such a great time with it

If SSBU has vergil, im 101% sure there would be an entire section dedicated to him 💀

If you think Luigis entire gameplan revolves around grab and thats literally the only thing your going for, your gonna get destroyed. Luigi can hit you at any percent and still deal insane amount of damage and that can lead to a kill confirm combo or up b. Literally being near the character is bad because he has crazy fast frame data and and a up b that kills mad early. Not to mention he can literally get out of almost any combo in the game that isnt true with down b

@Robbie_Haruna

Жыл бұрын

I once saw someone say that there are three types of Luigi players in Ultimate: -Bad (Can't do the zero to death) -Bad (Can do the zero to death) -Good (Can do the zero to death) And it's actually super accurate honestly. If your gameplan soley is to fish for the zero to death, you're a bad Luigi, because your entire gameplan will fall apart the second your opponent takes too much damage and the combo stops working

@ohianaw

Жыл бұрын

@@Robbie_Haruna As a Luigi player myself it dissapoints me that the cheesy Luigi players only fish for grab and spam fair zair fireball the entire time and do nothing else. Elegant and Luugi have shown you can still combo someone without the grab

@greedo194

Жыл бұрын

@@ohianaw and Waka

@karamalkhatib6482

Жыл бұрын

My brother is the best Luigi in Oklahoma & I can confirm this. Also his zair is wildly underrated as a spacing & neutral tool that combos into grab and other moves like dash attack

@gentlefauna

Жыл бұрын

@@Robbie_Haruna this is also very true for a few other characters like Bayonetta. Knowing "the combo" is important especially because having the threat of getting carried off the top is more valuable than actually trying to do it.

Definitely see you become a huge figure in the smash community you keep the work up. This only your third video and its that well scripted and edited, prop’s honestly. Definitely got sub off this video 10/10

out of all the heeew inspired broken videos this one felt the closest to an actual heeew video. stellar job dude

As an inkling main, the last two mentioned in the video are slightly more easier to deal with. Online, Steve's, when they wall off players, usually leave a block empty in the middle, good for Splat bombs, and inkling has good recovery and fast air speed, it's harder to kill off stage, also inkling's forward air attack the upper hit box and can deal with Steve's Minecart (still hella hard to fight one) and inkling straight up bullies Kuzuka, being very hard to hit and able to low profile under his projectiles and use splat bomb to abuse his recovery (at least in my experiences of fight him, it varies from person to person) also splat bomb is ridiculously good

@EngineerMonkey-zp3yj

9 ай бұрын

I main both Steve and Inkling. This comment... pleases me.

@DragonMaster1818

6 күн бұрын

I played Steve for a bit and yeah I usually accidentally leave a block in the middle of the wall

@entransnake

2 күн бұрын

Yeah I main inkling too, playing her like an agro character against Steve instead of a hit and run works pretty well

I greatly appreciate how this video didn't go the route of hating on DLC. The line you used at 10:35 is definitely the best mentality regarding these things. Mad respect to you, great video.

Great video. You captured Heeew’s style very faithfully.

The outro aged like fine milk

@inainainainagirl

29 күн бұрын

why

@lexennexel1679

28 күн бұрын

@@inainainainagirl Steve mainly got banned in a lot of tournaments at the time due to an exploit of him being able to cancel all knock-back done to him via multi hit attacks. Some examples being infinite jabs, cloud's side smash, pit's side smash... Etcetera. It was easy as hell to do as well, just mashing dodge and as long as he wasn't touching the floor he got an insta air dodge and an instant reversal.

Bro for a moment I thought Heeew uploaded again, cool that you gave the shoutout and thanks for keeping this series alive for him

This was amazing you’re amazing at smash especially steve. I subscribed! 👍

2:14 link can actually rising nair through corrin tipper f smash and then still hit corrin by drifting in

@echigokurogane8612

Жыл бұрын

BRUH. I wish they had buffed Corrin in a significant way.

Man I gotta be honest, I just really hope Steve isn't in the next smash game. I don't know if there's ever been a character that feels worse to play against, and I experienced Brawl Meta and 4's Bayonetta.

@CommentPositionInformer

Жыл бұрын

So, Steve is worse than a character that can kill you at 0 from anywhere on stage with about an hour of pratice on training mode, and there is litterally nothing you can do about it? And a character so busted that the tier list litterally revolves around him? That's rough.

@LloydTheZephyrian

Ай бұрын

@@CommentPositionInformer Worse to play against, they said.

@DragonMaster1818

6 күн бұрын

He’s like sm4sh cloud in the way they force you to approach, but can also prevent you from approaching with blocks as well as putting themselves in an advantageous position because some characters are unable to approach blocks sometimes, and also has some of the fastest and strongest moves in the game, like a FRAME 11 GANON F-SMASH, for instance.

cant believe how you literally mentioned pretty much everything i have an issue with outside of it seeming like dark pit / pit 's side b is the most powerful move in existence great video

I fell like the reason for these strong options is that the devs wanna make the game balanced but at the same time don’t wanna make the characters too complicated so they won’t be discouraged from getting better

I always enjoy watching Heeew content. Even if it wasn't actually made by heeew. It would be interesting to see this style expanded to more than just fighting games too.

@MasterKnightDH

Жыл бұрын

Look up "Kid Icarus Uprising 3DS Is Broken."

Overall a very good video! My main gripes come in the Kazuya section, where you showed off untrue combos (which is understandable given that his combos are hard) and that you didn’t list all his moves that comboed into electric, overall still quite a good watch though :)

@thatsnomoonIRL

Жыл бұрын

This video required me to learn a lot about Kazuya and it was fun! I know some combos I did were close strings, but thank you for the feedback

@charlieallen710

Жыл бұрын

the combo counter doesnt always show that kazuyas electric combos are true, but they still are. Just an issue with training mode

@robinscompass5951

Жыл бұрын

@@charlieallen710 Oh no I know, I’ve labbed this character quite a bit and I know he can get some stupid stuff but some of the combos did seem quite iffy to me

@fiendfi7119

Жыл бұрын

the in game combo counter is broken and also doesn't account for the fact that most characters have a frame 3 airdodge

@vivelespatat2670

Жыл бұрын

Ganondorf Nair is shown as being untrue into eachother in training mode.

Hey bro.....pls do another video that is similar to this one. Absolutely spitting out facts out here man!

I thought this was a heeew video until the end, well done!

EWGF is so busted as a move....that it turns your shield off lol

@KevSB07

Жыл бұрын

but don't be fooled lol, it also does immense shield damage, so you can't go back into your shield

@michaeldevera6285

Жыл бұрын

In tekken, the EWGF has a push back effect on block. Looks weird in smash tho

i'd get into ultimate... if: -Online wasn't so expensive -Had a netcode that was ANY better than 12 frames of delay by default -buffed ridley (and everyone in d tier)

@zachmercer1065

13 күн бұрын

Online really isn’t that expensive but tbf it definitely isn’t worth their shitty connection speed

this man saw that heeew doesn’t post anymore and said “fine, i’ll do it myself”

7:49 oh, so like 1.8 pvp?

Small correction from a Link main: Link's nair is not minimum -3 on shield. UFD or Kurogane Hammer give the safe on shield value frames for aerials assuming that you immediately hit the ground and enter landing lag after hitting a shield, whereas this is typically not easy to pull off for any character. For every frame you remain airborne after hitting a shield, you lose that many frames of safeness. For sweetspot nair, this is negligible. However, for soft nair, this typically makes the move unsafe if not spaced, depending on how tall the opponent is. You can potentially get away with it against Pichu, Kirby, and the like, but Marth can grab you for it 9 times out of 10 unless you spotdodge. Gimr's video "ONE FRAME" is a similar phenomena to this. Not implying it's not broken though. It is dumb. I love it.

The Steve bit hurts to watch. No character should have that strong of buttons with a force approach mechanic.

@thepsycheduck

9 ай бұрын

at least steve being the best character in the game is funny, with kazuya it’s just straight up unfair, if i get combo’d by steve that’s the funniest thing ever, if i get combo’d by kazuya it’s just “oh wow. 200% in 5 seconds. ok”

@draymondstreamz8268

9 ай бұрын

@@thepsycheduck it’s not funny to people who actually compete

@thepsycheduck

9 ай бұрын

@@draymondstreamz8268 skill issue

@draymondstreamz8268

9 ай бұрын

@@thepsycheduck would love to compare results lmk

@thepsycheduck

9 ай бұрын

@@draymondstreamz8268 how to tell someone you're cocky without telling someone you're cocky i don't play competitive dumbass, i just take out my popcorn and watch #stevesweep

These type of video are like the most funniest and coolest that i might ever seen

Extremely underrated video! Incredible work❤

You weren't finished with Luigi 1)Has so many kill combos and high damage combos 2) Really good at converting hits 3) Good frame data 4) Has good mid-range projectiles, has a huge disjointed grab 5) Has a frame 8 whiff-punish tool that kills super early and is 6 frames in the air 6) But must of all, on top of all that, he has frame 1 invincible, frame 4 startup reversal in the air

Steve in a vacuum is one of the coolest fighting characters with so much creativity. Its just sucks that it is so unmatched by everyone else and that makes it so annoying to fight. However just being one of the best characters is not grounds for a ban. I'm not saying that they should never be banned because as you said, the meta is always changing so who knows if we do end up with some game breaking discoveries with Steve or any other character for that matter. As of right now though I really don't think they should be banned.

@redshepherd32

Жыл бұрын

"character is unmatched" "is one of the best" ........ "But we haven't found anything game breaking so we shouldn't ban :P" Bruh, are you hearing yourself. It's people like you that just make me want to ban this character more. No amount of discoveries in counterplay is gonna drastically close the gap with this character. And is only gonna give Steve more time to adapt.

@docs.a.t.7161

Жыл бұрын

Counterpoint: Steve is a cool and flexible character in a game where most characters are one-note and restricted, so we should keep him around. People say Steve is unfun to watch but he's dynamic and interesting in a way Luigi, Kazuya, Rob, any of the other 0-deatehrs or top tiers aren't. At least he CAN do stuff.

@redshepherd32

Жыл бұрын

@@docs.a.t.7161 Giving a character too much is also an issue. Trying to justify it's existence by downplaying everyone else isn't an actual argument.

@markercrayon457

Жыл бұрын

@@redshepherd32 wouldn’t giving Steve players time to adapt to counter play help strengthen ban efforts? Like I don’t agree with the people that are vehemently against the idea of banning him but if people do discover counterplay only for Steve players ending up just finding a way around it regardless, wouldn’t that help convince people of a need to ban him compared to now where it’s such a polarizing topic that the idea of a ban is unlikely?

@redshepherd32

Жыл бұрын

@@markercrayon457 Well yeah, that's the general idea. I would rather the ban happen sooner than later. Even if Steve is the only character to be banned. Which I think is ultimately fair. Even characters with just as much influence like kazuya and pythra I could at least see people working around eventually.

When i heard *"Kazuya"* A chill ran down my spine

Another broken Kazuya attack is that one move that is like a EGWF but stronger, strangest hitbox I ever seen, hitting from really below. Another op thing most don't know is that Shulk F Smash with Smash Monado can kill at 29% and Up Smash Buster Monado can break shields if charged, was glorious to see.

Like how you demonstrated "Gates of Hell" on little mac cause its told if he gets hit by that he might as well SD cause theres NO WAY for him to get back up

a couple moves that I wanna mention that are also super broken :0 -Steve's Up Tilt is fast, lagless, is a great anti air, and combos into practically everything. Up tilt is the exact same thing. -Sephiroth's Forward Tilt is HUGE and can function as both a spacing tool, an anti air, and a 2-framing option. Better than the belmonts in almost every conceivable way. -Jigglypuff Forward Throw sends people at a horrible angle, often forcing them to burn an option, which Jigglypuff loves to take advantage of. Some characters just die at 0 off a forward throw edgeguard. -Samus and Dark Samus's Charge Shot is extremely overcentralizing and can do just about anything. It zones, it combos, and it kills. Samus players can pressure just by charging it up. -Mii Gunner's Grenade Launcher is a disgusting ledgetrapping tool that is insanely easy to use and doesn't require much forethought. Does great damage and kills, sometimes you just can't get off the ledge against Mii Gunner. Awesome video regardless!! :0

@corrin813

Жыл бұрын

Sora's Back Air is also crazy fast and deals alot of damage

@Aurora-tj8ls

Жыл бұрын

Okay we Jigglypuff mains deserve at least one good thing

@fiamma_1585

Жыл бұрын

@@Aurora-tj8ls I think puff is pretty good (i main puff) but he can only play close range so swordies and campers are so good against him

@gabutman6144

Жыл бұрын

@@corrin813 don't you mean his up-air?

@chachawho435

Жыл бұрын

@@corrin813 it’s frame 13. His up air and nair are insane tho

1:29 thrust uppercut music sync was godly and I'm mad I couldn't find anyone else mention it 😢

as soon as i heard kazuya i knew mans was finna have alot to say W vid still entertains me 9 months later

Great vid, I was actually planning on making this myself and calling it “Smash Ultimate is Broken 2.5” as soon as Christmas rolled around and I didn’t have to worry about school, but I guess you beat me to it. I still have the script in case you want to use it for a sequel to this one since I’ll probably be too burnt out to do it :).

As a fellow Link main myself. I have no shame in truly admitting that his Nair is indeed broken OP. He needs it after all.

Wow, its really cool they implemented creative mode in smash with the NILs

I love how peach and daisy weren’t on here yet they’re still very much op

Link had his chain mail leg armor made just like the Hyland shield

I've just been "yeah that's what they do, that's not broken" with this whole vid mostly. What's really crappy in my mind isn't that the high tiers are good it's that the low tiers are crap. Give the bad characters some more redeeming qualities for their huge weaknesses!

@survivorofthecurse717

Жыл бұрын

First up, you have to realize that even though many play the game competitively, it was never designed to be. The "redeeming qualities" are there, but not exactly in one on one, for example. Others are just bad by default: Ganon is big, slow, and has no way to approach. Mac is Mac (and rightfully so). Secondly, the redeeming qualities could severely wreck the system if not done correctly, or even done at all. Also, if you say that rage drive isn't broken, there will be a few problems. Yes, you can kill him before 100, yes, he does have a bad disadvantage, but if you can't capitalize off of that or the opponent adapts, well... Just some food for thought

@tbc1880

Жыл бұрын

Okay but the high damage output and aight gg situations you get with the top tiers shouldn't be lowered? Cause idk about you but I like matches to last some length of time instead of I got hit now I'm half dead or got tod.

@peluquin98

Жыл бұрын

Yeah dedede hits like a truck but the poor penguin is so fat and slow he can't respond to a lot of things he gets bullied easily especially with stuff that a lot of people consider ""lame tactics""" He also gets bigger and easier to hit when he does certain animations. You could play yoshi against him do the regular yoshi stuff and then run away or camp while dedede tries to figure out how to approach without getting hit Too much

@ronalddonais4164

Жыл бұрын

@@peluquin98 I just wish they made d3 nair hitbox not be like half of his hurtbox lol. It would be a decent move otherwise.

@Ersa_

Жыл бұрын

the bad characters have redeeming qualities being movesets nobody is familiar with💀 like villager which is why i used him a lot last time i played the game

For some reason @10:31, Steve from Minecraft in my head became the British guy from Tekken

0:58 As a GNW main who has used up-smash as my first attack in countless matches, I can confirm this beyond all doubt.

Steve being arguably the strongest character in the game.. kinda makes sense considering what he's capable of

@davidc.

9 ай бұрын

Comments like these are so cringe wtf are you on about. Lore? Kirby and sephiroth clear yet they aren't broken

@AmalgamJiena

9 ай бұрын

@@davidc. and I’d say the same about them if they were.

@shyguy85

8 ай бұрын

​@@davidc.Steve would win with creative mode though

@grimmfan1483

8 ай бұрын

@@davidc. it's not that deep lil bro

Steve and Kazuya will kill the game if left unchecked imo. I have seen plenty of people leave the scene because of them

@SpyderBey

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, I feel like I am losing interest in watching competitive Ultimate. Everyone is starting to use the same few top tiers despite the game having 80+ characters. The amount of players picking up Roy, Steve, ROB, and Kazuya just because they're explosive top tiers is driving me insane. It's not that the characters are unbeatable, either. They're just so good that it's starting to make people feel like they HAVE to play them to win... even Leo wants to main more top tiers because he wants "easier wins." We really need more patches.

That "I'm not gonna sugarcoat it" was a very nice touch

Here's a stupid combo I learned with Kazuya - super easy to perform and is a 100% guaranteed 0-death with over half of the smash roster. One thing to note, use this move on the edge of the platform in battlefield (both variants) and final destination. I have no idea how many spots on different maps will 100% work with this trick, but I do know, if you are on a map such as Wii Fit Trainer's, you should be able to perform this trick near one of the edges of the map for a zero to death. Ok, First, you need to face the direction you want to throw your opponent into. Second, use the side special (Devil Fist) on the opponent. Third, use the tripping attack (Stature Smash) while the stun animation is in play. Finally, use the alternative grab attack (Gates of Hell) while the opponent is in the tripped animation. This should deal a hefty amount of damage, and successfully throw the opponent off the edge, most probably instantly kill them, (Or just in general, throw them, if your not on the maps I suggested above). What I normally do after this, is spam neutral special (Devil Blaster) tilted downward to, as I like to call it, jump guard the opponent, when I use this on maps like final destination and such. You don't need to 'Jump guard' them if they have horrible recovery, like little mac, who will 100% die every time, but for characters with far better recovery whom could make it back to the ledge, you will need to jump guard. I will say, Jiggly puff Is one of the few who will make it past the jump guard and recover almost every time. If the initial throw doesn't work, it can be extremely difficult to successfully make it to the platform having to time your jumps.

Towards the end of playing smash bros regularly, I almost stopped playing all together because of Kazuya. Even if you know how to fight him, it's not fun at all, because the only thing you can really do is try to camp him out so he moves first and leaves himself open.

@YourAverageLink

Жыл бұрын

Fighter pass 2 in general reaaaaallly deters me from picking smash back up. Doesn't help that I really like rivals of aether but I'm not that good at it

I think Steve's kit being so versatile and dynamic is a good thing; it makes combos extremely creative and often requires foresight and setup, allowing him to have arguably the highest skill ceiling in the game. The problem arises not from his gimmicks in a vacuum, but the fact that he has such powerful tools paired with an already decent kit. If you took away Steve's blocks, he would still be a mid tier, and that is too strong for a character with such powerful options

@trublood1117

Жыл бұрын

i’ve never seen a steve really be creative though. they all do the same shit over and over again.

@RickRolledUser

9 ай бұрын

@@trublood1117just like in the original game!

This video's entertaining, good work!

2:20 I like how every patch that tried nerfing the combo still is the same every time

Comeback mechanics in general are a terrible idea in smash. I love Terry and he was one of my most wanted characters ever but who was the genius who thought giving him infinite supers would be balanced? In other fightning games comeback mechanics make sense cause they are universal (and sometimes even then they can be a pain in the ass for example the comeback Ultra combo in SF4, they give you a reversal move that deals almost 50% damage for losing) in smash though it depends in your character and each one has their own rules (Kazuya loses his if he misses too much or if he gets hit enough but Terry can take your 3 stocks out of Power Geysers). I love this game but I wouldn't play it competitively to save my life

surprised you didn’t mention terrys stagnant GO! after 100% and how it can be combo’d into along with the crazy hitboxes/damage

@juniperrodley9843

Жыл бұрын

GO is insane, but people don't tend to complain much about it since Terry's an otherwise mostly inoffensive character. He's definitely really good, but in a relatively balanced way.

@oscar5012

Жыл бұрын

@@juniperrodley9843 that’s a better way to think about it, I’ve just seen Riddles jab or dtilt people and it leads to either 80% or death

@juniperrodley9843

Жыл бұрын

@@oscar5012 Yup, same. I wonder, would GO actually be that strong if Terry didn't have arguably the best jab in the game?

@thatsnomoonIRL

Жыл бұрын

That was in my list of things to include but I shortened it to a 10 min video. Maybe part 2 lol

@xenocross6597

Жыл бұрын

@@juniperrodley9843 Yeah. Kazuya is unbalanced because he's min-maxed. Terry is better because he isn't, and more balanced for it

U miss Byleth Axe xdd, nice video man

Thank you for making this video ❤️

as soon as i heard kazuya, i felt very called out (yes, he actually is incredibly busted but god is he fun to play)

Let's not forget how it's possible to end hitlag and cancel spikes with Steve.

@Monokirb

Жыл бұрын

I mean cancel spikes is useless because the only way to do it is by knowing your opponent will spike you, but if you know that, why would you not choose a better option?

god, this game got announced when i was 17 years old my senior year i remember being in the library and seeing the announcement and absolutely flipping the fuck out. first starting with brawl when it came out and seeing into what smash has become and how big it gotten makes me so happy

What is the song name by the Kazuya part called?

I get Heeew vibes and i like it.

I am shocked Hero was not mentioned once considering he is the 4th if not 3rd most broken character

@matthewlasalvia7026

6 ай бұрын

He’s B tier at best.

@oliverorchard6774

Ай бұрын

A lot of that though comes down to RNG though with his magic abilities, which in most cases don't make him absurdly broken.

kazuya on online quickmatches always gets my blood pressure up....he is menace

So glad to see someone carry on the work of Heew 😁

Kazuya is one of the funniest things in the whole game lmao. Even if I lose I still have fun playing or fighting him. Steve on the other hand, I would gladly never look at or fight again lol

Honestly, this just made me appreciate Steve more LOL. This character is insane.

You included Links nair. I liked and subbed

Whats the song playing the kazuya part

although kazuya and steve are broken in there own ways they shouldnt be banned its nothing like bayo or meta knight were the only way to win is play them and there was 0 counter play. kazuya has boken combos but his nuetral so bad that he balances out alot

@Countdownsmiles

Жыл бұрын

Imma be honest, i have 0 clue what the counterplay for Steve is, that character definitely gives Meta Knight vibes

@ronalddonais4164

Жыл бұрын

Steve is dumb, hes definitely the closest thing to the broken tiers from past games, hes just ridiculous and it will only get worse as the top players find more and more new techs with him.

To this day. I still fully believe that all developers for every platform fighting game have a massive foot fetish. Because there is no reason why all these kicks, or literally just sticking your foot forward for a long time, are beating projectiles, swords, etc.

@poopheadtwenty-seven540

8 ай бұрын

Fun fact: Link's neutral air is called "the sex kick." Many characters have it.

2:32 "has never been patched" wasn't there a patch where the old combo no longer worked but it was immediately replaced with the new dair > up-air > dair > up-air combo? I could be misremembering though

I’ve been wanting to get back into the game but Steve gameplay makes me want to blow up my head with C4

The brokenness of Ultimate is a lot more difficult and entertaining than in other games.

@user-jr3zr2mp9c

8 ай бұрын

No lmao

Another great game ruined by money. It's basically pay to win at this point. At least Melee's broken moves were unintentional.

@vitorhenriquefarias8916

Жыл бұрын

Not really smash ultimate is still great and it's arguably the most balanced smash game. I'm positively sure that smash isn't meant to be played competitively it's a party game after all also ruined by money It would imply the game is terrible and bad the video isn't made to show that ultimate is a bad game because of two dlc characters it's still a great game even if there are two op characters

@natibinyam9264

9 ай бұрын

It's not ruined though. Sure most dlc characters are op but the game is still even if there are 2 op characters

@Seeker_of_the_storm

8 ай бұрын

It's not intentional here either, I'm sure if they still updated the game more balancing would come

How to avoid these attacks and abilities R.O.B.'s side special: stay as far away from R.O.B. when you think he's going to go for it. Mr. Game & Watch's up smash: find a high enough semisolid platform. The best you can hope for is that he won't go for the up special. Mii Brawler's Thrust Uppercut: try shielding and quickly dodging the Mii Brawler if he tries grabbing you. Also, avoid semisolid platforms. Link's Nair: just run as far away from Link until he stops. Also, avoid shooting projectiles at Link, especially if they can be charged. Luigi's 0-to-death: pick a range character like Samus and Mii Gunner and keep your distance. Ram Ram: pick a character that is either really agile, really fast or has multiple jumps. Fox, Sonic and Kirby are preferable. Electric Wind God Fist: same advice as Ram Ram. Just pick Kirby or Sonic and you can outrun/outjump this attack. Kazuya command input throw: pick a range character and stay as far away from the attack as possible if you think he's going to do it. (Even if he's on the edge) Rage Drive: pick a character with an easy to perform 0-to-death combo that doesn't involve inflicting 100% damage onto Kazuya. Kazuya Command Grab: pick a character that can jump high or has more than one double jump. Steve blocks: navigate through and/or break them shortly after they appear (preferably with a strong character like Bowser). Mine: pressure Steve into not mining as often, preferably by faking a devastating combo. This would give him less materials to work with. All of Steve's grounded moves: establish some space between you and Steve, and 8 to 9 out of 10 times, you're good. Back throw into Block: avoid Steve's fishing hook at all costs. Jab Strings: avoid Steve's frontside at all costs. Attack him from the back if you need to. Steve's TNT: use Pac-Man's hydrant or use a charged shot to push it towards Steve. Alternatively, trigger the button that sets off the TNT. Steve's Minecart: quickly run away from it. If you can't, jump over it. Also, don't get too close to Steve. I can't say that enough at this point. Diamond Tools: prevent Steve from mining a diamond. If that doesn't work, destroy his crafting table to prevent him from using the diamond. If that doesn't work, avoid Steve's Diamond Tools at all costs. NIL: get Steve to run out of block materials. Also, about that Steve & Kazuya being banned thing. I understand the importance of the ban. I think we should keep the bans in the major tournaments. In the meantime, we should try finding weaknesses in Steve & Kazuya's moves. Once we found enough weaknesses, a lift on the ban can be consider. It's going to be hard to find weaknesses in Steve & Kazuya, but I'm sure it'll all pay off in the end. We just have to lab as certain characters and hope for the best. The best being that Steve & Kazuya end up fighting each other or if they encounter a ditto fight.

I play Kirby and just try to avoid every grab by flying, so that most combos can't be activated

This is honestly why i think nintendo shouldn’t of stopped the patches so quickly, because stuff like EWGF and steve in general need to be toned down imo. I dont think they should’ve had sakurai work on the game longer obviously, he deserves a break, but there should still be a balance steam team so stuff like electric wind god fist can be nerfed (making it have more lag on whiff/shield, lessing kazuyas ability to confirm into it, etc), and steve can be nerfed to (a laundry list of nerfs that need to be done to steve, but for now lets say he can’t place blocks off stage and they’re weaker so opponents can break through easier)

@shaghilathar3588

Жыл бұрын

Ewgf is meant to have good shield pressure and whiff recovery

@xenocross6597

Жыл бұрын

@@shaghilathar3588 Honestly, the lack of whifflag on Kazuya's moves is what annoys me most. In Tekken, whiffing is at least five times worse than getting blocked. But what moves (forget forward tilt exists) have really high whifflag on him? I'm pretty sure none

@shaghilathar3588

Жыл бұрын

@@xenocross6597 Tons. I'm disregarding smash attacks but roundhouse, hellsweep,even flash punch combo and simple jabs are easily whiff punishable , even from range. This isn't even mentioning that most of his moves can simply be outranged or interrupted. Dragon uppercut is a free punish , as is down air, regular god fist and heavens door

@jaydenvaporwave1772

Жыл бұрын

@@xenocross6597 bro it’s ok to say you don’t know the character lol, EWGF is fast and has invincibility but is not lag less at all. Been punishing that move for awhile now

@xenocross6597

Жыл бұрын

@@jaydenvaporwave1772 I don't know the character very well lol. But I've yet to see EWGF be whiff punished by anything slower than frame 12