SMASH ULTIMATE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE... (ft. Coney, WaDi, VikkiKitty)
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So you're telling me in this game I can play as an electric baby rat that can fight a literal goddess of light, on a stage set in a living room with a dog but I can't wall jump with adult Link? Make it make sense, Nintendo. We've gathered our Smash Pros Coney, VikkiKitty, and WaDi to react to a video discussing some of these oddities in Smash Ultimate and more in video titled "30 Things that Don't make Sense in Smash Bros. Ultimate" by Infinite Bits!
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The title should be Coney being a debate kid for 19 minutes
@KingNoirDraco
Жыл бұрын
True
@g33p61
Жыл бұрын
lol thats just coney its entertaining as hell tho
@themostop6142
Жыл бұрын
He’s right tho
@massgunner4152
Жыл бұрын
To be fair some of these claims are bogus
@shotomain4ever
Жыл бұрын
and 44 seconds
Coney the Contrarian is having a field day with this one
@Spyder-Marth
Жыл бұрын
Sakurai made Kirby so this was to be expected.
@TheBotchJob
Жыл бұрын
No one sneaks anything past React Coney 😂
@DrSwazz
Жыл бұрын
The Conetrarian
This is hilarious to see you guys react to my video like this. Thanks for featuring me! P.S. Coney I'll debate you about Smash any day of the week!
@PandaGlobal
Жыл бұрын
Bits, as folks who work with him every day, we really recommend rescinding that PS offer. Coney's very good at convincing himself that he's right. :P
@Richard_gaming
Жыл бұрын
@@PandaGlobal yo
Goldeen being used instead of magikarp is a reference to an early episode in the anime where misty sent out goldeen to fight on land and it just flopped around like a fish out of water. Goldeen has been used for the same purpose in smash since 64, and it didn't go over everyone's head at the time because it was still fresh
@jdittlecon2358
Жыл бұрын
Finally someone else knows
@grantisshananaa4906
Жыл бұрын
I always assumed Magikarp just wasn't relevant at the time smash 64 was made. This is so much better, great info, good shit dude!
@byronlyons3548
Жыл бұрын
And here Misty had the gall to berate Ash. Which is warranted, to be sure, back then in the early seasons. But she wasn't in any good position either to be doing that kind of talk. She had like, how many months, or even more, owning those Pokemon? Way more than Ash has, at that point. Should have known better at this point that ordinary fish looking Pokemon like Goldeen, is useless out of water. But she did that anyways, when trying to first face off against Team Rocket.
@grantisshananaa4906
Жыл бұрын
@@byronlyons3548 Not to mention her sisters ran a water Pokemon gym lmao
@GeekyGamerdm
Жыл бұрын
I thought Goldeen must of been something from the anime, especially since Jiggypuff and Pichu used the anime.
In BOTW you can walljump in the traditional sense, the guy in the video just didn't do it. If you hold down and press x while climbing link will jump away from the wall immediately from his climbing position.
@ado-
Жыл бұрын
doesnt he just fall? i havent played botw so idk correct me if i'm wrong
@Snyper077
Жыл бұрын
@@ado- If you press b, he just falls, if you press x + down, he will wall jump.
@ado-
Жыл бұрын
@@Snyper077 ah tysm
One thing that doesn’t make sense to me is why Coney assumes I’m not subscribed. I am! What a fool
@Spyder-Marth
Жыл бұрын
XD
@kyurei4478
Жыл бұрын
The poor guy lacks confidence.
@wollins7244
Жыл бұрын
Subscribe to Coneys channel so he can reach 100k
Coney: "I counted three things that didn't make sense, everything else was explained" Also Coney: "Well of course Terry is heavier than the giant space dragon! Have you seen how big his muscles are?"
@MerryBlind
Жыл бұрын
Well he’s not wrong. Muscles are heavy. Bones are not. Ridley may be big but he’s all bones. (I still think he should be heavier though!)
@stuckincollege1778
Жыл бұрын
@@MerryBlind But they specifically chose metal ridley.
@MerryBlind
Жыл бұрын
@@stuckincollege1778 Fair point didn’t think that! But normal Ridley is the default colour so that’s the one that matters.
@lemmeGoHome
Жыл бұрын
@@MerryBlind there's also the fact that Ridley can fly. Knowing that it's safe to assume his bones are hollow, therefore making him even lighter
@zainepittman6151
Жыл бұрын
@@stuckincollege1778 Meta Ridley*
A mock rock video react could be cool, especially the best moves
@theillusionist1494
Жыл бұрын
Better yet, react to one of his own self-reaction videos, it’d be funny
@vaderwalks
Жыл бұрын
MockRock is brilliant, Esam would have a field day with the best moves vid.
@JJ-xe6wd
Жыл бұрын
I agree, he makes better points and vids than this guy makes
@garytina7009
Жыл бұрын
Would be nice to have them react to a video that doesn't give me an aneurism
@jmurray1110
Жыл бұрын
Definitely
Fun fact: Ness is heavier than Lucina and Marth, despite the 2 FE swordies carrying swords and having armor on them. LOL
@massgunner4152
Жыл бұрын
The brain was too big
@pigeonleader
Жыл бұрын
@@massgunner4152 70% of his body weight is in his head
@DeadArizen
Жыл бұрын
He’s eating gooood
@Luaporleafcutterant
Жыл бұрын
Well Ness is an American child
@jrkev1
Жыл бұрын
He got bricks in that backpack
11:00 To answer this question, according to Final Fantasy 7 guide Books, Sephiroth unleashes Supernova in an alternate universe, meaning the Earth you watch him blow up, is not the earth that is shown for Battlefield. Is it stupid? Absolutely,
A possible explanation for the Sephiroth final smash : he doesn't destroy the solar system, instead he's putting the destruction as an illusion in his opponents' minds to drive them crazy, thus the random effect. Edit : added "A possible explanation" at the start Edit 2 : Other explanations exists as described by Warren Valion in answer to my comment.
@massgunner4152
Жыл бұрын
Nonono, what he does that he uses the summon spell on himself to create a false solar system in a pocket dimension, then releases the energy throught the rift to cause massive damage.
@WarrenValion
Жыл бұрын
That's not true at all. Don't spread misinformation, please.
@itsyo8871
Жыл бұрын
@@WarrenValion no
@CK1000997
Жыл бұрын
@@WarrenValion I'm sorry if I'm wrong. I really don't want to misinformed people. What's the correct explanation ? I'll edit my message.
@jakeberry9931
Жыл бұрын
@@WarrenValion ratio then 👍
"Make Ganon a sword character ! I said what I said." The bravery of this woman.
I think it could be fun if Panda reacted to a MockRock video, maybe the Best Moves video, but they try to guess which is the best move ahead of time?
@CrazyHand7894
Жыл бұрын
It could even be a competition, where they get 3 points if they guess the first place and 1 if they guess an honorable mention.
@enrouteextras6840
Жыл бұрын
this would be dope
@informationnotavailable6433
Жыл бұрын
I would love that, but it would probably be too long.
Ridley's basically a giant bird dragon and birds have hollow bones, which makes them very light so they can fly. His makes way more sense than anyone else.
@peterduprey7286
Жыл бұрын
Ok but don’t try to explain meta Ridley like that
Sing can literally put arceus to sleep
@darknesswave100
Жыл бұрын
Which is the equivalent of God in the pokemon universe. So it being able to put another Jigglypuff to sleep makes perfect sense lol. The only ones that aren't put to sleep are ones with the Soundproof ability
@shaddori
Жыл бұрын
@@darknesswave100 the deaf ones 🥴
i love how all of them focused on pichu's taunts not dealing damage and then didn't actually listen to the part that says skull bash isn't an electric move lol
I have two things about the wall jump. First, Luigi canonically can wal jump, he's been able to since New Super Mario Bros. DS, I don't know why they never gave him one in Brawl and beyond. Second, Little Mac has one of the best wall jumps in the game. Why does Little Mac, the only ground-based character in the game, have the ability to wall jump at all?
@Eclipse-fw5rt
Жыл бұрын
Little Mac never skips leg day
@microwaevy
Жыл бұрын
What are walls, but sideways floors? Food for thought
@nemi9217
Жыл бұрын
Luigi gave up his wall jump abilities so he can crawl. Mario is very jealous of him because he cannot.
@castform7
Жыл бұрын
@@Eclipse-fw5rt He does regularly skip air fight day though.
@angeltripper8518
Жыл бұрын
@@microwaevy What is a wall? A miserable little pile of plaster. -Dracula, probably
Sephiroth's Final Smash references how Supernova works in Final Fantasy VII. Both the damage and the status effects.
These bits are infinite! Shout out to Brad!
13:56 Is nobody else freaking out about Infinite Bits’ turnip luck here? He manages to pull a Stitch, a Winky, and then another Stitch all in a row!
@THEbbqsause
Жыл бұрын
Was literally thinking the same thing
Being totally honest I’m with Coney on most of these, the wall jump one I’ve thought was messed up forever though. Why can’t adult Link or Luigi wall jump? Like wtf? Lol you guys are awesome, love the vids
This dude never played Pokémon. Your Pokémon doesn’t fall asleep when it uses sing
For a second, I thought the guy was about to question how goldeen fits into a pokeball. Kyogre would've absolutely blown his mind.
The salt water Pokémon debate begins 😮
“That’s not REAL Mario, he would never do that.”
Coney: "mewtwo looks inflatable to me" NSFW artists: "yeah, gotcha covered"
You've been raided by the BIT Squad! The army who shows INFINITE support
For those wondering, Supernova, Sephiroth's Final Smash, is supposed to be an illusion. While he inflict to his opponent some fire damage to make it more believable, the whole point of the attack is to cause despair to the point of madness to his enemies. In FFVII, the attack inflict random negative psychological conditions to Cloud and his teammates, which is also what happen in Smash.
@elitecombine5373
Жыл бұрын
Wait really? This would make so much more sense.
@trebmal587
Жыл бұрын
@@elitecombine5373 Yeah, it's a bit annoying to ear so many people joking about Supernova making no sense in Smash, while typing "Supernova Sephiroth FFVII" on Google would just clear all of that ^^. I understand we can't expect everybody to do that, but someone making a video about "weird facts in Smash Ultimate" should have checked beforehand.
Coney is actually right for once
we NEED panda videos where coney does his iconic “FELLAS!” Intro.
This whole video is them trying to explain how it does make sense lol
Now, Coney was obviously trolling half of the time, but quite a lot of the mentioned things actually make complete sense
11:09 A) The Universe is WAY bigger than our Solar system, so no matter what he does to our sun it wouldn't affect the universe at large. B) I think in FF7 it's kind of implied Sephiroth is doing Illusions, like he does to mess with your head for the whole game. That's why it can't actually kill you in FF7, no matter what. It only does fractional damage. 11:30 Yeah it does random status ailments. could be any of them, including sleep. 12:30 Actually it's because in the anime, Goldeen was the one they used for showing that while a fish Pokemon could be super-good in water it was useless on land. 17:11 He is! As an ASSIST TROPHY. :D
@poliorice3600
Жыл бұрын
Well for FF7, everytime supernova is mentioned in material, like Crisis Core, it is very much similar to the summons wherein Sephiroth creates a dimension for the attack, this is also supported by Dissidia and Remake
Y'all exposing yourselves with Sephiroth's final smash. They fall asleep cuz it is a reference to the move in the game as it had random effects on the party. In smash it can even insta-kill. Sakurai showed it in his demonstration smh.
Spehiroth Final Smash is actualyl super easy to explain It's an illusion, and he summons the people hit with supernova to another universe, which is why the regular one where he's in stays inteact
@poliorice3600
Жыл бұрын
This is actually false, as both the original and Crisis Core ultimania's say that it is indeed a real attack, but summons are able to create dimensions of their own, with something like Knights of The Round being able to destroy them, and in his Safer form, Sephiroth gains the power to do the same, and as Advent Children and all future versions of Sephiroth are explicitly as strong or stronger than Safer Sephiroth, he retains that ability. Although not canon to FF7, Dissidia also confirms that the attack can even destroy seperate dimensions, and Supernova has never once been stated to be an illusion
@highlandave8507
Жыл бұрын
@@poliorice3600 No. It's an illusion, because it being real cleanly contradicts the story, but the characters definitely think it's real. It's like the science study, the Thomas Theorem, that says if you think it happened, then it physically happened, like the finale of Danganronpa 2. It's still extremely impressive that the characters beat a mental version of the attack though
@poliorice3600
Жыл бұрын
@@highlandave8507 Supernova, very explicitly, destroys dimensional space, it shares an animation with Knights of The Round and othersuch summons, which according to Crisis Core, can all create entire dimensions, and in the case of Knights of The Round, destroy them, and Sephiroth far exceeds most of them upon reaching his Safer form. Not that it matters if supernova is real, as the lifestream, in the Remake ultimania, is stated to have the power to create universes. If you do not count Zack fighting Minerva as canon, then Meteor still has the power to contend with the lifestream, which Sephiroth does not need the black materia for as he can call on it from other timelines, which is what his Divine Proclamation attack is, so even if supernova were an illusion, something never once hinted at, Sephiroth has a far more powerful option
@highlandave8507
Жыл бұрын
@@poliorice3600 That describes the Tsukiyomi from Naruto.
Omg I love Infinite Bits can't believe he got on Panda, he must be so happy
How does the Jigglypuff one not make sense? It's a pokemon move. So why wouldn't it work on another Jigglypuff? Call this dude stretch armstrong cause he's reaching for some of these and straight nitpicking on others. Its a game. It's not that serious lol
@OriginalGameteer
Жыл бұрын
the Jigglypuff one makes perfect sense Sing can affect other Sing users (outside of Soundproof obviously). Heck even the robot one isn't that odd when you consider mechanical/artificial pokemon like the Klink, Porygon, and Magnemite families are still affected. Sure they're not robots per say, but they aren't exactly "organic" either...
@malcomchase9777
Жыл бұрын
@@OriginalGameteer Porygon is affected. Wholly artificial, as much as R.O.B. at least.
@toumabyakuya
Жыл бұрын
@@malcomchase9777 There's also Magearna and she isn't immune to Sing.
The infinite bits squad is here
Good video - KZreadr "Infinite Bits" has a number of great "Don't make sense videos".
Coney does not know Mewtwo's weight. This Pokemon is LITERALLY HEAVIER THAN CHARIZARD
Coney, remember: Sephiroth's Final Smash can inflict a random status effect!
i think i can explain the size one. so basically olimar is actually standing REALLY close to the screen and ridley is REALLY far away. this give the illusion that they are actually bigger/smaller than they really are.
For the Water-Type Pokémon Squirtle and Greninja drowning, just because they're Water-Types doesn't mean they can breathe underwater. Plus they could get exhausted from swimming.
The Goldeen splashing around is actually a reference to one of the first episodes of Pokemon. Misty grabs a random PokeBall from a poke center rack while under attack from team Rocket and Goldeen comes out and just splashes around.
Wow im really glad to ser people react to infinit bits
Smash Bros is just the video game universe's Toy Story. Invitations to Smash are letters sent to video game characters asking for their likeness to be used to make trophies, dolls/figures, and for the Smash Bros simulation, digital models. Video game characters get bored too, so they have their own video game to play where avatars of themselves beat eachother up. We are just playing a video game within a video game
I’m so glad Infinite Bits got some attention
I think the goldeen splashing around is a reference to one of the first episodes of the anime. In this episode Misty sends out goldeen to fight team rocket or something. It then proceeds to flail around on the ground because fish no swim on land you see
To the Jigglypuff using Sing on herself- You kinda have to put effort into doing the singing yourself. Same reason why you can’t put yourself to sleep using anything else unless it’s pre-recorded and played back to you.
For 10, another argument could’ve been that they’re just sparring
I just really enjoyed the background music.... Takes me back😎
For 17, I think they did that because in the anime, it was a running gag where Misty would often try to use Goldeen in a battle on land...only for it to just flop around on the ground. And Misty's Goldeen was seen more than Magikarp in the anime around the time
@BJGvideos
Жыл бұрын
And Magikarp at least can damage with using Flail
Mewtwo is canonically lifting most of its weight with his own telekinetic abilities. That's why it stands on its haunches.
1:08 It's the difference between projectiles "glued" to the ground and projectiles that don't interact with the ground at all.
Awesome video, would love to see Panda reacting to one of MockRock's videos. Maybe the best moves one or something?
The subcon thing actually destroyed my brain I didn’t even realize it’s not a place lol
I think infinite bits which is the maker of the video is going to blow up soon
"That's magnets" -Coney
I will describe this video in this phase. Coming up with Johns
16:57 Coney and vikkikitty: react reasonably WaDi: "That was an ugly-ass piranha plant, I will say that."
*Sephiroth Final Smash is a mind attack* The devastation of viewing the universe get erased does a lot to sanity. This also explains why fighters sometimes get stunned or fall asleep because of the mental stress
Sephiroth's Final Smash is a Genjutsu.
Sephiroth's Final Smash is an Illusion that's why nothing is destroyed
“Mary Poppins’s Purse.” 💀
oh my gosh the sonic music hit me right in the feels 😵💫 that's like the soundtrack to my childhood lol 😂
@DeadArizen
Жыл бұрын
Early sonic music was so goated!!!
"Mewtwo kinda looks inflatable" - Coney, 2022
"How come Fox is so big when standing on his spaceship?" With apologies to Monty Python: "The Great Fox!" "The Great Fox!" "The Great Fox!" "It's only a model." "SHHH"
Infinite Bits Squad raid
9:12 "I feel like Mewtwo isn't actually that heavy..." Mewtwo's Pokedex weight: 👀
my take on why all the characters fight is that it’s basically just fight club. every Sunday they go and beat the shit out of each other to relax because they’re the only ones powerful enough to fight each other safely without killing anyone. “we fight in your levels, we stomp your Koopas, we save your princesses, we guard your kingdom while you sleep. do NOT fuck with us”
"Sephiroth is like 5' 2" " so he's taller than coney
Here’s a few I came up with, How can Mario fight himself? How come different characters fall at different speeds? Why does Stone Kirby slide to an edge and then stop?
INFINITE BITS IS WATCHING YOU
The ice climbers thing is because popo and nana are separate entity’s, same thing with Rosa and luma only Rosa gain a boost but since kazooie and duck hunt duck aren’t able to be killed on their own/ attached to the characters the are effected and Pokémon trainer is because again they all share a stock
All of this was explained in Nintendo 64 Super Smash Brothers with a combination of the intro, single player classic, and design. I believe there was an interview confirmation for this too. This game story wise is similar to Toy Story (is the easy explanation), but the truth in the ending is you decide what the outcome of who wins between Mario vs. Pikachu for example. Also what the rules are, what is at stake, and therefore creating a unique experience that has become a series.
For the Mario galaxy stage: lasers are light and don’t have mass. Therefore they are unaffected by gravity. Items like the drill have mass and gravity can act upon them
Sephiroth's final smash is psicological, that's why it doesnt destroy nothing, And leaves an effect on the characters, it's just psicological damage
He said when Pichu evolves. WaDi, Pichu is the first stage in this evolution line. Pikachu is the evolution of Pichu
i know im probably in the minority here, but i genuinely feel that bowsers jrs current moveset is much more interesting than if his main weapon was the paint brush
3:05 is because in Wind Waker and the games Young Link is in, there isn't a button to jump. Link automatically jumps when you go new ra ledge at speed. BOTW link jumps with a button.
Obligatory Coney agreement
For the mario galaxy stage, energy projectiles aren't affexted by gravity, while physical ones are.
8:05 so for Pokémon trainer I guess they're using baton pass for the Stat changes, like metal, mushrooms etc. 🤷🏿
Definitely should look at a MockRock vid. Panda reacting to his takes would be wild
So here’s the thing behind sephiroth final smash. Sephiroth himself is not actually summoning a mentor to cause a supernova, but is instead casting the character into a different timeline where one is occurring. Why it does so little damage I don’t know. It should do way more
14:00 Unrelated note to this. But that is 2 stitches in 3 pulls being casually shown, with pull number 2 being the 3rd rarest turnip as well
Off topic but who's idea was it to make Spiral Mountain spin. Literally everytime I'm on that stage I feel like I have motion sickness and apparently so does everyone else.
Ridley has to be light enough to fly after all.
Extra thing that makes 0 sense, Pichu's down b doesn't damage him until the bolt hits Pichu, so if it misses Pichu, he'll take no damage
the Goldeen thing is a reference to an episode from the anime
Here the video is wondering how the inklings swimming solid surfaces while I’m here wondering why they don’t instantly die in water this time
Goldeen is grandfathered in at this point, Goldeen has always been the useless pokemon, all the way back to 64. And Goldeen was originally chosen because of a running gag in the anime where Misty's Goldeen would come out/be sent out and just flop around uselessly
Always cool to see VikkiKitty in a video
@ninjabobbob8090
Жыл бұрын
Is she cis?
@ninjabobbob8090
Жыл бұрын
@@bibbyboxx2219 ok thanks
7:09 I think that smash is being put on more as a sport (like the crowd cheering) than anything else.
Infinite bits squad unite!
6:37 What if they had unique character intros for player characters but had the melee intro for CPUs and amiibos
Good on Infinite Bits for making a name for himself. Day 1 fan.
Pikmin can canonically take root and bloom in metal, so Olimar could totally pluck those guys out of anything
Sephiroth is canonically more than 6 foot