Some folks have rightfully pointed out something important lacking from this video: *Israel should not have been allowed to participate this year.* It was a mistake for the Eurovision organization to include them and it frankly wasn't fair to pass the buck to the other performers in the contest - socially pressuring them to individually step down of their own accord, all for the blunder of the organization. I don't hold any personal ill-will towards any (all) of the performers who chose to stay in the competition. They had every right to be there, but the Eurovision organization failed them in upholding their previously established precedent (with Russia). As canucks and far from the cultural zeitgeist of Eurovision, my partner and I had no idea folks were boycotting it this year. In hindsight, I can completely understand that decision. 👍 I do feel however that this is somewhat throwing the baby out with the bathwater - plenty of countries (such as Ukraine or Spain) had important messages to be shared on the world stage. Boycotting the organization is boycotting all of the artists and performers too. It's a tricky situation without a single clear right answer. ☹ For our part, my partner and I disqualified Israel from being in our personal Top 10 on principle alone. That felt like the most fair way to do things; again, I don't believe it's the fault of the other performers that Israel was allowed to compete or that they remained in the competition with that knowledge. I didn't specifically say this in the video because I wanted to avoid shining a spotlight on Israel at all, but it might have been wise to be a bit more direct about our feelings on the matter. I apologize to anyone who I might have let down with a video like this.

@minomushi_hitogata

Ай бұрын

Yeah I mean when you're covering a topic that involves a country actively committing genocide amongst other horrors, you kind of CAN'T ignore it. Thank you for addressing it here but the privilege of just ignoring things "to not bring a spotlight to them" on your small youtube channel feels more like an excuse to protect your privilege of being able to look the other way. This isn't "the thing ppl are mad about at the minute", aside from being what it is, it is also very likely going to be the predecessor of something larger a la WW3. The days of "avoiding shedding a spotlight" are over with Tik Tok and the internet, so now in an age where everyone knows what's going on you aren't doing anything positive to benefit palestine by remaining quiet. You are only helping the genocide to continue by not using what platform you have to speak out and also to just make it known you don't condone those things especially when speaking on topics directly related to Isn't real and their controversies/crimes.

@jumalAnni

Ай бұрын

How did you place Ireland?

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

@@jumalAnni I was shocked how high Ireland ranked in the actual event as metal/heavy music traditionally does not do well in Eurovision. We only created a Top 10 and Ireland didn't make the cut for us. I didn't hate the song or anything, but there were just at least 10 other songs that I liked more.

This channel is the best thing to happen to my KZread experience in a while. It's so infinitely refreshing to me to watch someone talk with so much passion about something they like instead of something they hate for once. I can't think of a single other creator who would approach this kind of topic like this. I think I like the Main Channel videos for the same reason. It's just nice to see someone actually being this exited and positive about something. (Also I love Lego, of course.)

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

Thank you! There are certainly times (on both channels) where I share some of my negative opinions too, but I do try to keep things on a more positive note most of the time. 😊

I fucking love Eurovision, and as a Frisian (minority in Northern Netherlands) I was really excited to have someone with strong provincial ties represent us for once... :)

Now this was unexpected! As a European it is great to see a non-European talk about Eurovision, and Slugger no less! Thank you!

I appreciate this video a lot. I've been watching Eurovision for years and I must say that this year has been the most chaotic and frankly most depressing edition I've ever witnessed. With all the stuff going on behind the scenes and the absolute incompetence of the EBU (the organisation behind the contest). I'm Dutch so you can call me biased, but I absolutely believe Joost should not have been disqualified. If the EBU did their job correctly, none of the mess of this edition would have happened.

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

The EBU really failed on so many levels this year; it was the performers/artists that kept the spirit of Eurovision alive. 👍

It has come to my attention that apparently Americans cannot watch Eurovision. 😭 To help combat this injustice that has been levied against your people, I have created a separate playlist of "freedom friendly" Eurovision videos and linked them in the description. It's not true Eurovision, but it's something.

@Mariello_Makes

Ай бұрын

The champion we deserve. Bless.

I was so unprepared for anything in this video but glad I stayed! Also the extra effort with the brick built numbers was a nice touch.

Justice for Joost

@_Pikalika_

Ай бұрын

Dude's assaulted a women and praised a terrorist organization wtf you on about

Got into Eurovision after Finland got absolutely robbed last year, wish I'd payed attention to it sooner. As a huge fan of a lot of the europop in the 90's and early 2000's, there's a still a lot of the soul of that kind of music alive in eurovision today. And like you said, what a spectacle!

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

"Cha Cha Cha" was our intro too - now we're hooked! 😆

Fun fact: Canada and Slugs are not allowed to participate in Eurovision because otherwise Slugger would win every single edition without doing anything

@M0torsagmannen

Ай бұрын

actually kinda weird that Canada is excluded when Australia and Israel are in it.

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

@@M0torsagmannen I think New Zealand should be next on the list, personally. But I wouldn't hate getting Canada in on Eurovision! We still print the British monarchy on all our money, after all, haha.

oh wow, this wasn't a video i was expecting but am very glad to see!!

Thank you for showing me Eurovision RR Slugger! I have heard about it for years, but this was my first formal introduction. I looked up the performances as you counted them down, and totally agree with your assessments. Looking forward to the Summer of Slug 2024!

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

Thanks! Welcome to Eurovision! ❤

Slugger why are you the Slug who Sold the World

@headcrabking9054

Ай бұрын

Idk, it's probably because he died alone, a long long time ago, but who knows

Regarding Rim Tim Tagi Dim being "inspired" by Cha Cha Cha, Baby Lasagna actually didn't write the song for Eurovision. It was meant as a filler song for his first album, so he wasn't actually inspired at all. It just happens to fill in the same needs as Cha Cha Cha did. After he finished the song, Baby Lasagna asked a friend to check it out on their Google Drive (same friend is also the one on stage who plays guitar and does backing vocals). And the friend was like "you should submit it to Dora (their national final song selection show) and then go to Eurovision with it". Funny how everything turned out!

@Hana9916

Ай бұрын

Yeah, the similarities between the songs are more because BL and Kaarija were inspired by some of the same groups, i.e. Electric Callboy and Rammstein

The way to say the numbers really cracked me up. I've been watching Eurovision my whole life as a Finn, so fun to be mentioned! (Cha Cha Cha!)

Clicked for the Punished Slug, stayed for the content. Looked through some more Eurovision stuff and may have found some new bands to listen to!

Yesss I love to see Euroslugvision! Hope this video will become a yearly thing from now on. I’m particularly happy to see you putting Estonia and Armenia so high, especially Estonia which didn’t deserve its actual final result imo. And slight correction: Ladaniva is the name of the duo with the guy with the trumpet too (Louis), not just the girl (Jaklin). Also fun fact for Switzerland: Nemo technically wasn’t the only performer as they had 2 performers who had to quickly jump on and adjust the Y-axis of the disc off-camera (while the X-axis was automatic), which is really cool to see in the crowd videos.

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

Thank you for the pronunciation correction! It's pretty telling to me that Ladaniva and 5Miinust & Puuluup are the only two artists who I've gone on to buy their albums form this year's Eurovision so far. Really great stuff! ❤ I'm going to go check out those crowd videos of Nemo now - that sounds wild!

Funny enough, Marko Purusič, aka Baby Lasagna was completely unaware of Eurovision and Rim Tim Tagi Dim was simply supposed to be a filler track on an upcoming album. His friends convinced him to take part in Croatia’s national final Dora, where he was out on the the reserve list. After someone dropped out and he was allowed to compete, he utterly landslided the competition, not only winning the jury vote, but getting more televote points than ALL other songs COMBINED. And to then finish 2nd in Eurovision, beating out all the disgusting multi-phone Israel voters to the televote win with 337 points is a true cinderella story. He came home in Croatia to a sea of people welcoming him back. He was the one that brought Croatia their best result EVER.

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

What a story! Cheers to Croatia! ❤️

I have no idea what this video will contain, but I am intrigued

Absolutely wild video! You have no idea how devastated my partner and I were when Joost was disqualified. I recommend looking into his background, as it makes the lyrics of the song a lot more layered! One of our best submissions in years! It'll be one for the history books!

Punished Slug -a slug denied of his Energy Crystals... *_"Standing... on the edge~"_*

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

He played us like a damn fiddle!!

This is something I'll have to sit down and really get into later, but I just want to leave a comment now (hi algorithm) and say that I find your reasons for being interested in this event very valid. Eurovision simply never got into the scope of things I'm paying attention to, but come to think of it, that is indeed a nice way to get a glimpse of other people's cultural identity and way of being, it's a cool way of learning and exploring this distinctiveness.

As a french we kinda had to boycott eurovision with israel being invited, but I guess I catched up with your video! Really made everyone felt weird that they just ignored what was going on. Ireland being censored for a tiny "ceasefire" was also a terrible move.

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

Indeed! I didn't make a point of it in my video, but my partner and I disqualified Israel from our Top 10 list on principle. I wish the Eurovision hosts would have done the same.

@Mysda_

Ай бұрын

@@SlugginAround Good to hear, thank you!

0:36 as a Serb myself, I must say, being in slugger's top 10 of last year's Eurovision is probably the most noteworthy good thing my home country accomplished since 1346 (during the rule of Стефан Урош IV Душан Немањић)

@Bionickpunk

Ай бұрын

Luke Black was criminally underrated last year, same with pretty much all my favorites besides Finland, which was my win pick.

As a Spaniard living in Estonia, I'm happy to see both countries mentioned in your top 10. Both my children are great fans of the Estonian entry and the band Puuluup (Paala Järve Vaala Baar is their favorite song if you want to check it out, it's about a whale living in a small lake next to where we live 😁)

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

I went out and bought the whole album Puuluup & 5Miinust did together, haha - I'm going to enjoy going through their back catalogue now!

@diegogodoy8054

Ай бұрын

@@SlugginAround That's great! 😊 The album is very good and it has weird and humorous lyrics, it's very Estonian. Puuluup is the folksy duo and it has a couple of nice albums, very recommended ☺️

Baby Lasagna's Rim TIm Tagi Dim has actually a lot of parallels to Rammstein, a popular rock / metal band from Germany. Similar energy too!

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

For sure, I could hear it! 😊

Seems an interesting time to be getting into Eurovision.

Hello from Croatia! Big fan and I am really glad to see the recognition for Let 3. Edit: Would really recommend their song "Dijete u vremenu", one of my favourites.

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

I love Let 3 and I'm thankful Eurovision introduced me to them! "Omađijaj me" is another favourite tune of theirs. 😊

Why the professional jury is so important: 1. Do you want Eurovision to have serious artists and innovative music? - In the late 1990ies the popular choice was introduced. Then countries started to send mainstream songs or even silly performances to please at be remembered. Eurovision slowly became that cheesy event no serious artist would go to. - More, nobody wants to be judged by people that have no clue of the job. We are all professionals in what we do, we all hate it. 2. The public voting isn't the "real" voting. - Voting costs. One person, or more exactly, one credit card, can vote up to 20 times. Each vote costs. There are people having multiple credit cards that bragged they voted 60 or 80 times. - Movements, political parties, even governments can buy votes. Either to pay their members to vote or by really cheating with voting farms or bots. It all happened. - Some countries have a large diaspora. People living abroad often vote for their country, not for the song they like best. So, some countries have a great advantage. - There is pity voting. Like the voting for Ukraine in 2022 or Israel this year. Or politics influence voting, like Brexit or the founding of the European Union (Italy, 1990). Yes, in the last two years, the jury vote decided the winner but in 2021 and 2022 it was the opposite. I do not want the system to change. There is a reason why Eurovision became larger and larger since 2016. I do not want to go back to the times when the event was ridiculed.

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

I agree with your points here; it’s fun to come up with our own rulings, but the jury system is a good system and helps disincentivize “gimmick” songs. Joost Klein would not have won Eurovision this year even if he wasn’t disqualified - the jury would have sought to that. 👍

@DramaQueenMalena

Ай бұрын

@SlugginAround There are 37 juries with 5 members each. I can't imagine that there is an agreement between 185 people speaking maybe 30 different languages, from different backgrounds, cultures and music styles. All with their own strategies, some even from countries that hate each others. And as the juries change every year it's over 1000 people. Every year a conspiracy is suggested - nobody ever leaked anything. That's not possible.

I love the big boss slug

I keep telling my waifu that the epic sax guy has won Eurovision 7 years in a row

Punished ''Venom'' Slug

That stickin' around theme song music really hit me in the nostalgia.

I always appreciate in your other videos how seriously you take cultural issues when they arise, dealing with them sensitivity and thoughtfully, in a way viewers might not expect of a Lego channel. It's one of the things that really sets you apart and makes me respect your work. With that in mind, in a year where many people who normaly love Eurovision are purposefully boycotting it, I'm a little disappointed to see a video like this pop up. It feels a little thoughtless, no matter how much people want to rank pop music! Just my two cents, still love you Slugger.

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

I really appreciate you weighing in on the matter! All the way over here in Canada, my partner and I are not in the loop about the Eurovision zeitgeist and truthfully had no idea people were boycotting it this year. 😅 Obviously, I understand the reason as to why in hindsight, but I can't help but feel it's somewhat throwing the baby out with the bath water; there are several performances this year (such as Spain or Ukraine) who had important messages to share on the world stage, and boycotting Eurovision is boycotting them too, all because of wrongdoing another country (Israel) is involved in. It's a tricky situation and I'm not sure there is a single right answer as to how to approach it. ☹ Needless to say, it was a mistake for the Eurovision organization to allow Israel to participate this year. Their poor judgement then put the performers from other countries in an unfair situation where it was then up to *them* to take responsibility and step down from the competition, when it was the organizations blunder in the first place. What I can say though is that my partner and I disqualified Israel out of hand this year from our personal Top 10 and I chose not to feature them at all in this video. I wish I had been a bit more explicit about this in the video itself, however. I apologize if I betrayed your trust here, as it certainly wasn't my intention!

Being from The Netherlands, I’m happy you provisionally included Joost. Many of my countrymen are indignant about the disqualification, but I’m with you: we simply don’t yet know what happened. Should he turn out to be innocent, then I’m glad he made Slugger’s list: that’s at least as good as the actual finals :) Just for information (not to be pedantic), the double o in ‘Joost’ is pronounced as the double o in ‘door’ (as opposed to in ‘loot’: for the ‘loot’ sound we use ‘oe’). You nailed nailed ‘Klein’!

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

Thanks! Indeed - disqualification seemed rash, but we also didn't want to take sides in a legal investigation. This seemed like the most fair way to approach the matter. 🙂 Thanks for the guide on pronunciation! I learned something new today!

Never understood Eurovision myself (but props to those who do enjoy it), but there is one fact about it that I really like. One year apparently the scoring system was changed so that it was impossible for any country to score 0. However, even with that in place, Britain still managed to come out with no points at all, and for some reason, that makes me feel oddly patriotic.

Starting the video, seeing Ukraine so low yet Luxembourg so high, I was a bit confused, but so happy to see most of the rest of my favourites in the top 10, especially Estonia who were my winner this year haha

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

Hey, they both made Top 10 at least! Ukraine's song is much stronger when listening to the studio recording, at least in my opinion. If the live performance wasn't as shaky pitch-wise, I think it would have ranked higher on our list - it's a great song! And Estonia, oh man I play that one on repeat all the time! 😆

Could it be? The rare Venom Slugger?

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

Kept you waiting, huh?

I can't say I care much about EuroVision, but (and perhaps exactly why) it's always extremely funny to me when I see how much some people get worked up over it! I feel like it somehow manages to light a nationalist spark in people who would never think about it otherwise. It would be interesting to see if USA had something similar on a state level.

love that vsauce got the number 5 spot

Had a soft spot for the unapologetic and raw performance from the UK. Was reminded of early Frankie Goes To Hollywood. Not everyones cup of tea obviously but the one that stood out to me.

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

I liked that one too! My partner and I weren't crazy about the singer though... we really liked the song and performance though. 😅

Hello fellow slugs!

Cool

Metal Gear Slugger 3: Eurovision Eater

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

I'm still in a dream...

Top Three songs this year for me were: 3. Mon Amour (France) 2. The tower (Poland 1. Europapa (Netherlands) So much more to say but i wont for the sake of everyone’s sanity haha.

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

Poland was actually our number 11 pick - I'm surprised it didn't make the finals! It was better than most of the stuff that did, in my opinion.

@Fangar.

Ай бұрын

@@SlugginAround yeah i was really sad about it. I actually spoke with LUNA the artist she was very nice.

Slugger it seems like you are a big boss now.

man, this was very out of left field indeed. as a Norwegian, im very sad the Gåte got stone dead last, even though they had the best song (imo). i never expected them to win, since it is pretty off brand for the contest but their folk inspired rock is very nice

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

Indeed! I really dug their tune and largely chalk up the ranking to their fairly pitchy performance in the finals; however, France sent a singer with a vibrato that felt like a physical assault on my ears and they made it into the Top 10, so what do I know. 😅

@M0torsagmannen

Ай бұрын

@@SlugginAround i think your ranking is pretty close to my favourites as well, just different order on some of them, Estonia has been a real earworm that i have to put on frequently just from it being so good. also a PS, Gåte is not pronounced like gate at all, it has two syllables. first one "gå" is pronounced like go in gobble and "te" is like te in tezeract. it is Norwegian for "Riddle"

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

@@M0torsagmannen Thanks for the clarification on Gåte! I knew I was wrong, haha but didn't really know how to check. 😅

@kekchanbiggestfan

Ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@SlugginAroundPro tip: If a language had to add extra letters to the alphabet it probably wasn’t because they needed something to sound identical to an existing letter, even if it looks visually similar. That’s why an E isn’t pronounced the same way as an F. That sounded passive aggressive, but I just think it’s funny how people’s default behavior when encountering new letters is just to treat it as one they already know. Also, it’s kind of irrelevant here because of how messed up English vowels are, your pronunciation was a perfectly valid guess lol

“I don’t really play videogames.” “Reminds me of Deus Ex for the PC!” You don’t wanna know what I have to say about Eurovision, I’m sure KZread auto moderation would remove it hahaha. Maybe it’s just jealousy that my country doesn’t have a competition where I can sing in falsetto in a silly outfit with seizure inducing light shows playing.

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

Haha, I don't play video games *anymore* ! 😉 All my references are going to be pretty dated.

Most controversial thing about the placement of "the netherlands" in this list imop is that he put it only at 6th spot. It is easily a top3-entry and my favourite song in the competition this year. Dont know if it beats "croatia" though, that entry is totally awesome. Still Joost did a phenomenal job and I hope that he smashes the competition next year!

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

That’s fair, but personally while I think the composition has a lot of merit to it, it kind of falls apart for me in the last third. The dance break seems to be filler for the lack of another idea. It’s “Eurovision gimmick” nature is also a bit of a put off for me too. I still really liked it! But there were better, more consistent compositions/performances this year that took the higher spots on my list. 🙂

Slugger, I dearly love your videos, I respect the passion you display and your levelheadedness, and for that last reason in particular I want to share with you that this video feels like it is in extremely poor taste. The inclusion of Israel in Eurovision this year is pointedly hand-waving the genocide that continues to take place every day in Palestine, and giving attention and coverage to the event without at least mentioning that context feels irresponsible. Otherwise I have been really enjoying the more off-the-cuff videos on this channel!! :)

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

I appreciate your sentiments here, and honestly I share your same concerns about Eurovision this year. My partner and I did what the hosts of Eurovision didn't and disqualified Israel out of hand from our Top 10 list for exactly the reasons you listed. It puts the whole topic in a tough spot though; there are plenty of artists and messages (like those of Ukraine or Spain) at this year's Eurovision that don't deserve to be thrown out with the bath water because of Israel. Boycotting the organization boycotts them as well... it's just a tricky situation with no clear right answer. ☹ Shunning Israel from our list here seemed like the fairest way to go about things, but I apologize if I hurt your trust by not being more direct. It's something my partner and I definitely discussed behind the scenes.

@cybercleric

Ай бұрын

@@SlugginAround​​⁠ I appreciate your response! That’s what I had hoped was the case, and I agree with the difficulty in ignoring other countries through a total boycott. I am glad that this was something you guys had considered and also respect the decision to not draw attention to Israel by making a comment on their exclusion. And, great to see an appearance of the elusive Punished “Slimy” Slug… Even in death… We are Diamond Slugs. 💎

9:07 yes, thank you! Ive been over that beat for 2 years now, it was predominantly in almost every song i heard while working at Chipotle at the time.

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

It's brutal out there!

justice for joost 😢

So if you like the Croatian song, then I think you'll also like Rammstein because it gives those same vibes!

oh no, not me, ive never lost control, you're face, to face, to the slug who sold the world

Did i miss it? Which is your #11 (#10 if the disqualification goes through)

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

I didn't include it in the video, but Poland was actually our pick for #11 - and they didn't even make the finals! 😮

@crisisOstrich

Ай бұрын

@@SlugginAround 🇵🇱

eurovision was fun this year. I enjoyed remembering the tracks as the list progressed .... until SPAIN??!!! EXCUSE ME WHAT we have very different opinions

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

Haha, yeah! Spain's submission this year seems to have been very polarizing! 😅

Yeah you're right about the Croatia part I wasn't mad Switzerland won but it still felt rigged

Im glad you've at least added a late comment re-Israel.

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

I'm out of the loop on the Eurovision zeitgeist and had no idea it was such a hot topic this year! I never considered that I would need some sort of disclaimer before talking about a song contest, but I guess there are plenty of politics at play in Eurovision, whether I like it or not.

Switzerland was good but the flag is a big plus

I’m still salty about Portugal in 2023 placing outside the top 10

How dare you form your personal opinions and not include Ireland and Finland to your list?

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

Haha, I'm honestly shocked Ireland ranked so highly this year! Not that I didn't like the performance, but typically metal does not do well at Eurovision, (see Germany last year). And Finland was definitely worthy of an honourable mention this time around. The first time we saw the performance, my partner and I were in stitches! 😆 But every time we watched and rewatched the performances to help form our Top 10, Finland kept dropping lower and lower; it was kind of a gimmick song that while fun the first time, didn't have the staying power we were looking for.

Gåte is pronounced gotte the å has an o sound

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

Thanks! I knew I was out to lunch on that one. 😅

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

Thanks! I knew I was out to lunch on that one. 😅

DEUS EX MENTIONED!!!!

If you want ill call EU and ask them if Canada can become part of EU...got more right to be here than israel i would say.

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

Agreed! Maybe one day. 😊

It's really a shame that this is the year you made a second channel for other content, because another year I would have been happy to hear about Eurovision. I can believe you just didn't hear the call to boycott it, but you use footage of people waving Israeli flags & never mention their inclusion. I don't come here for politics obviously, but the ongoing genocide in Palestine is something that cannot be ignored. It's incredibly disappointing to see you not only enjoy & make content about something that is supporting Israel, but then not mention that fact.

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

I really appreciate you voicing your concerns here, and honestly I share your same concerns about Eurovision this year. My partner and I did what the hosts of Eurovision didn't and disqualified Israel out of hand from our Top 10 list for exactly the reasons you listed. I'm realizing now that perhaps that's something I should have made more apparent in the video itself though. Israel's ability to participate in Eurovision was a mistake on the part of the organization and I should have done a better job making it clear that I felt that way. It is a tough balance though; there are plenty of artists and messages (like those of Ukraine or Spain) at this year's Eurovision that don't deserve to be thrown out with the bath water because of Israel. Boycotting the organization boycotts them as well... it's just a tricky situation with no clear right answer. ☹️ Shunning Israel from our list here seemed like the fairest way to go about things, but I apologize if I hurt your trust by not being more direct. It's something my partner and I definitely discussed behind the scenes, but that discussion didn't make it into the final cut here.

@Clockehwork

Ай бұрын

@@SlugginAround Thanks for responding; it's definitely something that should've been upfront, but what is done is done, & I'm glad to hear it was taken into consideration anyway. I don't doubt all artists were talented & most performances had merit this year, but I'm of the opinion that none of them are babies, & they CHOSE to be in the bath water knowing who else would be there. Several participants considered boycotting even during the final hour before the event, & every single one decided they didn't care enough to do so. There are many issues in the world, but the time & place isn't always right for all of them. This is a case where the time was right for the Palestinian people to be the central issue, & no matter how important any of the messages were in the individual songs, all of them were tone-deaf by not ceding the stage, literally & metaphorically, to Palestine.

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

@@Clockehwork I think that's a completely fair perspective to have, and you make a good point about them having the option to decline the Eurovision invitation. I wonder how much influence each county's government had in the decision making? Ugh... world politics getting in the way of what is supposed to be a silly song contest. It's an ugly world out there sometimes. 😔

eurovision is the pinnacle of bad taste why do you even talk about this horseshit show ?

I took you for a well-learned, versed fella. Oh well. Another westerner who fell into the iran-hamas propaganda trap. Long live Israel

@SlugginAround

Ай бұрын

I genuinely don't understand your comment here, I'm sorry. Are we talking about a music competition or not? I don't think Israel should have been allowed to participate this year because of the precedent set with Russia last year.