Moment of silence for Hopper.

@billyrigby4839

5 жыл бұрын

@MK Genest Still not over this loss!

@b2jutsao

5 жыл бұрын

**bows head**

@planetzdr

5 жыл бұрын

F

@wolfhawkpk86

5 жыл бұрын

F

@ChrisJGunter

3 жыл бұрын

Omg, I almost thought you meant Jim Hopper lol.

I have been reading and rereading the series since it came out decades ago... this was one of those arcs where re-reading made it clear and when you first figure it out and start connecting the dots is one of those mind blowing moments in the series. I've always looked at this as Isum and Luke were "forged" in the village where the Faceless's Black shadow blades were forged...one being dominant in the world of dreams while the other was grounded in the real world... but both needing the other to exist... two people holding on to life with whatever scrap was left of their combined soul... neither originally really intended to be evil but required by the pattern as part of the balance... why Lan and Rand were drawn to each other as individuals...the balance must be maintained...

I only wish his backstory and deeds were explained better in the books. It was quite confusing, with all the bits of it scattered throughout all the books. But overall, he was a decent villain, didn't steal the spotlight and didn't go out like Padan Fain. I like him much better after a reread

When losing Hopper I had to put the book down for like a week. I loved Hopper so much and so quickly... :(

@amysthe-wise-one8493

5 жыл бұрын

I threw my hardback book on the second loss. Never did that with a book and haven't since.

@harlandeke

5 жыл бұрын

I know Hopper is not Perrins pet, but you don't ever kill a dudes canine buddy without major consequences if said dude is a complete badass...see John Wick...

@Allan_aka_RocKITEman

5 жыл бұрын

FWIW: I read The Hobbit when I was in my teens. When I read what happened to Thorin Oakenshield, I remember that I got choked up a bit....

@billyrigby4839

5 жыл бұрын

@@amysthe-wise-one8493 I felt the same, though I didn't do the same. :( Not looking forward to seeing that in the TV show.

@billyrigby4839

5 жыл бұрын

@@harlandeke A-freaking-men!!!!!!

Great video. Slayer was pretty confusing for me

@Stellarcrete

4 жыл бұрын

Me, too. I think it was that his dual nature was a different mechanic than anything else ever seen in the world and occurred off screen.

Yes!!! I never understood slayers character when first going through the series, and I felt like I was missing something. Very excited to watch this video! Thanks for making it :)

@harlandeke

5 жыл бұрын

He is a very difficult character to understand.

@BMR3

5 жыл бұрын

I literally had to read the wiki after I finished the series to understand what was going on. Even then I still didn’t fully understand his character

I always thought Luc/Isam was a soul bound to the wheel that had been twisted. Which is why he is so well versed in the Dream. Like Brigitte, but merged with her living counterpart.

I think Lord Luc sent to Blight just for merging with Isam and become killer so he would help the light unknowingly. It's because of the slayer Perrin gained the white cloak army and defeat the shadow army in doing so. And while doing that, his discovery of dream stick and moving it to Tar Valon, helped Aes Sedai to win the battle for White Tower. After he moved dreamstick over the Black Tower as well. And we know how greatly helpful was Asha'man during last battle. And at the end, Perrin learned how to use dreamstick and set it at Shayol Ghul to prevent anybody intervene the fight between Rand and Shai'tan. This protected Rand and helped him to execute his plan about callondor safely. This events was really so important to the story and determined the fate of war for the light side of course. It seems Gitara sacrificed Luc for the light.

So I don’t know how accurate this is but my theory is that Luc and Isam merged in a way similarly to the way Rand and Moridin were connected. Obviously not balefire streams but it just always seemed similar

@Finnssssss

2 жыл бұрын

More like Perrin and the wolf soul he's merged with. Rand's and Mor's souls are linked but still in 2 bodies. Slayer and Wolf Brothers are 2 souls in 1 body.

Great video, thanks for putting it together. I think the first reference (not appearance) to him is in TGH Chapter 7 Blood Calls Blood when the dark prophecy is recited. There are some lines there, "Luc came to the Mountains of Dhoom/Isam waited in the high passes/The hunt is now begun. The Shadow's hounds now course, and kill/One did live, and one did die, but both are." The name "Slayer" isn't used but the lines pretty much describe his nature and origin, obliquely.

Excellent in depth character video!

im here for the white board, red spoilers, drinking beer and kicking ass. Nae'bliss took care of 1st two, I got 3rd. Keep your guard up. haha

Thank you for another amazing video!

Great vid! He is a bit of an enigma before you laid this all out!

Slayer might have been one of my favorite villains. Esp when it comes to Perrin. LIke Perrin shines when Slayer is there. And I agree he had some moments where I thought he was a delusional psychopath and I hated Luc, but Isam? I don't remember what prologue it was. It was either ToM or MoL I wanna say MoL, he was in the town meeting Lanfear and he remarked on the town but when all the channelers were gone (which is supposed to be the time that the normal folk can move) he saw a little kid thinking about it and his inner monologue was like "Go! Run! Anywhere from here! A death in the blight is better than the life you're headed to." and that legit made me see slayer in a different light. Hes a fuckhead but he's a nurtured one and could have been as badass as Lan but his mom decided to forsake him.

Would you believe I searched for this video two days ago? Awesome as usual my man

Time for a game of “Who’s Bloodline Is It Anyway!”

@SeebsL

2 жыл бұрын

Love it! I was just thinking how unnecessary it is for all almost the big players in Westlands to be related. Not like fifth cousin thrice removed related or share a common ancestor ten generations back but seriously related by blood or marriage within like two generations.

Yeah, I feel like there was an opportunity missed with Slayer never having any real moments with Lan or Rand, the 2 characters that have almost no links to home or family. Kind of like when Rand realizes Galad is his half brother...although the character Rand evolves into and the way Lan always has been doesn’t really lend itself to an epic event. LAN’s stone cold ass would cut down Isam without a voidless thought, no matter the fact he’s his last living blood relative, and Rand would probably do the same thing no matter what Luc could tell him about his mother. So I guess I’m fine with it

"smash that like button" Love your videos. They help me unravel some of the mysteries I haven't been able to by myself.

Great summation.I also would like to know more about the dark prophecy that mentioned Isam and what it meant?

i didnt know i needed a video about slayer until you made one!!! nice one! thanx '_')/

SLAYER may not have had it Raining Blood but did Reign in Blood 😉😉🤘

@shaun7809

4 жыл бұрын

Listen to the haloed screams :)

What ever Luc set out to do in the Blight, he obviously failed.

@frrixz

2 жыл бұрын

Unless he was already a Darkfriend?

@HallyVee

Жыл бұрын

Or Ishmael succeeded in manipulation.

I would love to see the actor who plays Lan, play Slayer with some make up/prosthetics so the two characters look just a little bit different.

He is, mainly someone for Perrin to pursue.

I always wanted so hard to see some interaction between Perrin and Wise Ones :) He could learn a lot and also teach them alot too, even Egwene was literally shocked by his negation of balefire though she was very skillfull there and even crashed Mesaana's mind. What do you think who is stronger in Tel'aran'riod? Perrin and Isam or best of Wise Ones?

@HallyVee

Жыл бұрын

Lanfear ;)

Can't wait to see how they handle Slayer in the show

@danielszigeti3241

5 жыл бұрын

An obvious choice would be to have the same actor for Lan play Isam, and maybe Luc be played as a heavily masked Rand. It would make Lan's role more significant and would add to the budget for the actor. #DanielWu

Please do a casting video for Elaida do Avriny Roihan. I believe Lana Parrilla (Evil Witch from Once Upon a Time), would make the best Elaida. What do you think?

@KaitlinLuksa

5 жыл бұрын

Good choice!

When I'm rereading the series before the show I'll have to examine this a bit closer, but I always liked this character. The unpredictability, brutality, and his shady motives in the early books intrigued me. Like some other subplots, I wish there had been a more satisfying conclusion for him (i.e. a proper meeting with Rand or Lan, etc.) but overall I dug him.

Please don't take this as slander, the WoT series will forever be my all time favorite. I never particularly liked Slayer as a concept. As a character he was fun to read about, and the mystery of this characters identity was interesting. But it was a bit confusing within the flow of the over all story itself to put together, as his actions were few and far apart. I was also a bit disappointed to see Perrin turn into such a great leader, with the hints that he might be leading the Two Rivers into a reborn Manetheren, (and obtain an incredible war hammer) only to see him be completely absent from the last battle. Slayer always felt a bit tacked on to me. As if we needed something for Perrin to do at the end. This is a super subjective opinion though of course. The only objective thing I can really say is that Slayers deeds should have been a bit clearer, as it took a lot of readers several read through's before even beginning to grasp who exactly he was.

Hahhaha, love the message in the background.

I agree with many folks here in the comments, thank you for doing this breakdown since the books seemed a little confusing.

I love the white board.

I thought Slayer was just a little too powerful for who he was. His power and influence in the story was disproportionate to who he was and how much page time he actually got.

@stevenhernandeznon-profitf968

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@HallyVee

Жыл бұрын

Oh? Did he do MORE than some one with Dream abilities and travel could or would do? An assassin who can step out of and into thin air...

More evidence for the Bore being in the world of dreams. Isam was raised near the Bore and is a master in the world of dreams.

Would have been cool if you had included the dark prophecy painted on the wall in the dungeons of Fal Dara. He is mentioned there.

Thanks for this video. I was never really able to figure out Slayer's full story, so I very much appreciate this.

Do we ever get more info about the red veiled Aiel from the town? That would be a cool video.

I like this video. Slayer is, in my opinion, an example of a perfectly executed villain, with an exact measure of tragedy picturing his characters which is necessary to make him believable. As it was said many times, a fantasy novel is as good as it is believable.

I think the merge of the two souls was so unnatural that it caused a ripple in the pattern, the wheel then reacted to this unnatural evil by spinning Perrin into the pattern as a Ta'veren, sent into the world as a wolf brother to balance out this new evil. Perhaps Gitara had foresight into this? Perhaps Luc had an unknowing part in Perrin being what he is.

Do we ever read about Isam in the real world, or Luc in the World of Dreams? I never read it as Slayer could choose who he was in either world. I always assumed Isam was the "Soul" that was in the World of Dreams, and Luc was the "Soul" in the real world. I wonder if Luc had his World of Dreams soul ripped away and Isams tied there instead...

@rossj4755

5 жыл бұрын

Brad Marshall I thought the same. I dont think we ever see Isam in the real world or Luc in the world of dreams.

@orcassio17

5 жыл бұрын

There was a moment in one of the "slog" books. He actively decides to be Luke. I cant remember exactly when in which book, but I do believe he can choose.

@davidcarter6659

4 жыл бұрын

When he And Perrin fight in the last book they shift back and forth between both worlds many times, there is no mention of him changing appearance during this fight.

@orcassio17

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidcarter6659 that's what makes me think he can choose who he want to be.

@davidcarter6659

4 жыл бұрын

@@orcassio17 my comment was for Brad, not you sir.

Another great character analysis, I don't know how I never noticed his relationship with Rand though... I must have focused on his kinship with Lan so much, Slayer to me wasn't even worth the backstory I just wanted him DEAD after the Two Rivers, what he did there and how he treated the people that we in the Ohio Valley can relate to the most, I was just done with him, lol. So I suppose he was a most excellent villain in that regard

Great background information...where do you find it!!

Tograin never married him, but took him as her lover, or she would have to give up the spear.

Eh; I always found Slayer to be rather...undercooked. He has such an interesting backstory, but it never really _matters._ He _should_ be an interesting character, with the duality of his soul making him unpredictable and making him act strangely. Instead, he's...a psychopath with superpowers. He enjoys killing, and he's so OP that you know you're just going to have to wait for the deus ex machina win at the end.

I don't know, there are soooooo many characters to adapt for the TV show. How do we know some won't get cut?

Hmm, where is this background information on Luc from? I don't recall this information from the books.

@aozgolo

5 жыл бұрын

It's in a few places, there's a bit of the Dark Prophecy that the Myrdraal write about Slayer, as well as knowledge from Dyelin Taravin when she explains Tigraine's disappearance to Rand, as well as a bit about her brother Luc disappearing into the blight.

Slayer: the man who killed Asmodean

@forceofchaos1

5 жыл бұрын

I thought so too...

@justdave9610

5 жыл бұрын

Graendal killed asmodean

I think a special Hell Awaits for Slayer.

Character, not character(s). Sorry for the typo.

So Luc was Rand's uncle in a way? Went over my head completely!

@NaeBlis

3 жыл бұрын

Not even in a way, he was Rands uncle lol

Perrin foiling Slayer in the Two Rivers is one of the few times where I truly wish he had failed - if Slayer had killed Fain then a whole lot of Rand’s suffering would have been avoided.

@Salvara

5 жыл бұрын

But if slayer had killed fain, rand wouldn't have cleansed saidin.

One of my favorite characters, even though I really did not care for Luc . Ac character who never received the development he should have.

What about Meghdien's strength in the World of Dreams? Or was that just her thinking she was so good there?

I love those whiteboard jokes you put!

Shouldn’t it be rain blood?

Perrin stops balefire. Slayer never did that i wonder if he would of seen it the same way?

It's weird, I would say normally say No to if Slayer was fleshed out well but then again I can't really agree with myself because while he was interesting he wasn't necessarily crucial to the story so I would say he worked as intended. If anything a few more horrible deeds or even some sort of internal conflict under his belt and he may have been an even better antagonist but it wouldn't have really made a difference overall.

I wish Tigraine's story was better explained...

Why was this dual personality thing a thing? Why was this done? How was this done? What are the implications for this in terms of them being resurrected? What are the implications for other characters that have been resurrected? Can this happen again?

Am I the only one that was always pissed off Rand didn’t tell Galad they were brothers? That Rand didn’t tell Elayne to mind herself because actually he was one in line for the Sun Throne?

@ademiranda2

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely...it drives me off the wall that he never reveals himself in this way. There are other creative choices that RJ made that bother me too. I am in book 10 rn, and I'm not happy. Like, how he cleanses the taint at the end of book 9 but does not advertise it. Sharing this with the Ae Sedai and Ashaman would have been important, and would have avoided conflict, fear, and confusion. Instead, everyone that can channel is left scared of the "beacon" and thinking it's the Forsaken or some shit because Rand does Rand and feels he owes no one an explanation.

I watched this because I only remembered him from the Two Rivers and his first fight with Perrin. I thought. Oh THAT guy. I guess I never paid much attention to him until he killed Hopper. His family connections and combo personality seems too convoluted to me. It bored me so I ignored him and skimmed all his world of dreams shenanigans. I hope they cut this character in the TV show. The Forsaken can kill Hopper and break our hearts.

I think abstract concepts like Isam/Luc=Slayer are what is going to be extremely difficult to pull off in the show...and tWoT is full of abstract concepts that are MAJOR parts of the story... how well or badly the creators visualize and execute these concepts is going to be the difference in whether the show succeeds or flops.

Is slayer more masterful in the dream world than Lanfear?

A thought: Prior to being merged with Isam, was Luc captured and forced to merged with Isam? Or was he a darkfriend all along?

@Tom-bs3zh

10 ай бұрын

The dark one only has access to those who pledge themselves to him. So somewhere along the line Luc must have pledged himself, my question is was he forced? or did he do it willingly? My guess is he did it willingly, because he resented the Aes sedi for sending Tigraine off to her death (he assumed probably) and he thought the dark one could grant him the ability to channel, in order to get revenge. Instead, the dark one merged him with Isam....

Something has always bugged me about Slayer: if the evil of the Aelfinn and the Eelfinn is a different, and incompatible, evil than the Dark One, as I think was mentioned in a previous video, how was he able to enter the Tower of Genji in Tel'aron'riod?

@jawanzieivey9463

3 жыл бұрын

The Aelfinn and Eelfinn were never actually said to be evil, just that their ways are some different and incompatible to ours that in some ways they may as well be evil. They're more neutral and square dealing than anything. You get what you bargain for. But it is also confirmed that their world is attached to the World of Dreams as well as the others.

I just had a thought, what if Luc was a Darkfriend before he merged with Isam?

@amysthe-wise-one8493

5 жыл бұрын

Oh now that's a really wicked headcanon idea. If Gitara Moroso had a vision and then witnessed him doing something wicked or evil, sending him off to the Blight on a wild wolf chase would make sense even if there was some cruelty involved later on. I still wonder *how* it was handled since the only examples you see of a retained soul into another body is for Rand, Moradin, and Osan'gar and Aran'gar. None of the others who are bequeathed a new body for their soul has a Janus situation. Could it be that Luc was a channeller - or Isam was? Or maybe both? The things I'd ask now...

@jamescator9746

5 жыл бұрын

That's very interesting idea indeed.

Who killed Asmodean?

@justdave9610

5 жыл бұрын

Graendal did it

I personally thought Luc/slayer was poorly written. You don't understand character till your second read thru unless somone spells it out for you. Plus its Perins Nemisis and perin is weak in story with his 2 book finding his wife storyline

I know Perrin needed something to do at Tarmon Gaidon but aI really wanted Slayer dead long before then. Hopper was unforgivable and I get frustrated in stories and shows where the bad guy keeps slipping away.

Wouldn't Tegraine have to give up the spear if she married Janduin?

A little of topic. But this got me thinking of Rand's family tree. And while I know Rand's mother wasnt married to Rand's father; by law wasnt she still married to Taringail? Which would make the prophecy saying 'the DR's mother was not married' a false prophecy?

@yves2016

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting. Was he dead before Rand was born? Not sure just wondering

@ericmiller2608

5 жыл бұрын

@@yves2016 no because he fathered children younger than rand

anyone else just think of halo when they read "slayer"

Love the whiteboard lol. I thought he was an interesting villian. When Perrin and him fight it's really awesome. But he didn't have enough page time for me to really get into him like other villians.

@NaeBlis

5 жыл бұрын

Lol not sure many people will understand this one

@AvlShirkus

5 жыл бұрын

@@NaeBlis It took me a second. Maybe if you said "Did Slayer ever make it reign blood?".

at this point, I have only two hopes for the show; that I'll be able to see it(unless it turns out to be NPC trash) and that the various characters will be REMOTELY recognizable from their descriptions in the books. THAT will be GROUNDBREAKING.

I always pronounce Tigraine "tig-RAIN", rather than "TIE-grain" or "TEE-grain". I definitely think it should not rhyme with "migraine". Slayer was always a meh character for me. Super not interested in Luc Mantear, Isam Mandragoran, or Slayer. Anything that's Perrin-related usually puts me to sleep.

@ErisianThreeFourteen

5 жыл бұрын

When I had the physical copies, I always found myself going with "TEH-grain" or "TEE-grain", but with only access to the audio books lately, I just roll with whatever Kramer and Reading are currently rolling with. ^_^

Get real, Slayer is just the type of character to get cut from the show

I know I’m gonna take a beating here but I think the slayer story was totally unnecessary, anything he did could have been done by other characters and his history just serves to confuse the story. Don’t mean to upset everyone, just how I feel🤙

Slayer is yet another piss poor written character in the books. I'm reading the books right now and have no idea who he is as a character. Just some dingus who runs around the world of dreams killing wolves