"You see eternal beauty in the everyday person": that has to be the most wonderful definition of love i´ve ever heard

@theuberman7170

5 жыл бұрын

He destroyed alot of poets with that phrase.

@DenianArcoleo

3 жыл бұрын

Surely it's the only one possible. If true love was reserved for those who possessed eternal beauty (inside or outside) then there would be no love anywhere . What he says is, essentially, a truism.

@instagramninacreator1957

2 жыл бұрын

Definition is definition but if you don't live it is shit

@simonphilolaus191

2 жыл бұрын

I'm willing to bet that's the first definition you heard of love

@mthphilo8993

Жыл бұрын

Or, you see the perfect in the imperfect.

I can’t believe that jingle took half the video and clearly cut him short

@tim90003

3 жыл бұрын

You failed to see the eternal beauty within the jingle -Zizek, as channeled through me

@michelepellegrino6640

Жыл бұрын

The jingle is precisely what is saving you from instantly chasing something else instead of taking a moment to reflect on what you’ve just heard

@benzur3503

Жыл бұрын

@@michelepellegrino6640 I’ve read aristotle before I don’t need a jingle for that lol

@NutjobChuck

Жыл бұрын

I liked the jingle.

@benzur3503

Жыл бұрын

@@NutjobChuck pure ideology *sniff*

i met my true love over our shared fondness for zizek

@daviralcreator

3 жыл бұрын

Wonderful

@Anudorini-Talah

3 жыл бұрын

cringe

@jiyan2000

2 жыл бұрын

@@Anudorini-Talah u suck

@taiwomuraina

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@mikisipilainen

Жыл бұрын

what a marvel!

It would be good to elaborate this as he does in his books, because the second part is critical to understand: He says you CAN idealize someone, be obsessed with them, chasing them all you want. Even if you KNOW that they are ordinary, and you don't call it idealization in the conventional sense, for Zizek the crucial moment is their reciprocity. It is when THEY open up their vulnerability to you, share their ordinary aspects and flaws with you, and make themselves accessible to you, AND your love survives THAT, it is when you can call it true love. Because it's usually when we lose interest, our desire for them fades and we seek it elsewhere, in other objects of desire.

@noobzie8963

Жыл бұрын

Could you please tell me in which books he writes about love?

@onurbole7921

Жыл бұрын

@@noobzie8963 He writes about it in many books, and his books usually focus on multiple subjects so as far as I know there is not any book which is specifically about his ideas on love, but "The Metastases of Enjoyment: On Women and Causality" comes to my mind, he speaks of the issue substantially in that book.

@screensaves

Жыл бұрын

well put

@satyre_1

Жыл бұрын

Fuck. Just went through a breakup going through exactly what you said. But... she didn't reciprocate. Even though I had thought she did. What advice do you have for when someone plays with your choice to be vulnerable and them making empty promises? Wanted the perks without working for them, afraid of commitment and inevitable change.

@achyuthansanal

11 ай бұрын

@@satyre_1Go slow. Don’t jump into things without thinking them through. Trust your gut: if you have to ask yourself whether your relationship is meant to be or not, it probably isn’t. Self reflect on if your relationship is more of infatuation or of stable love, on both sides. Ask yourself if you get what you put in. Do not be too emotionally invested until they are too. Most of all, do not put effort into something where your partner isn’t willing to put in that same effort. Do not set yourself on fire to give someone warmth unless you know they’ve done that for you too. Do not lose yourself in a relationship; i.e do not allow your individuality and self respect to be lost. Do not make a relationship your point of existence: love cannot give your life meaning by itself: sharing your life with someone cannot provide meaning if you have not already found meaning in your own life. Be with someone you can have arguments and healthy fights with, but at the end of the day still respect each other and do not let your love be broken by it. Where you do not hurt each other for the sake of it, and when you do cause pain to the other, feel and express that remorse and show change. The is no universal formula for love. Just some lessons you learn as life passes by. It may or may not help you find happiness eventually. Be prepared to be hurt, cry, laugh. Live in the moment.

that's what I do all the time: seeing, feeling and believing that this imperfect human IS PERFECT to me.

Basically the Hegelian line of thought that it is intersubjectivity - the moment of recognition that goes on between two subjects, both seeing each other but also themselves in the other being recognized.

"contrary to what people mean, love does not idealize the other, the miracle is that you say "ok, you are this person who is slighly stupid, not a perfect body, whatever, but still you are absolute for me" and true love precisely does not have to idealize, true love is not either eternal beauty or vulgar every day person, true love is: you see eternal beauty in the every day person"

@Djellowman

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, i am deaf

When Slavoj Zizek gets you in your feels

Holy shit. I think I’ve found true love

Thank you Zizek to made me realise I lost my true love years ago because I didn't knew that I was in love.

Awwww that is so adorable.

Slavoj is describing all of the details of a truly loving relationship (which some people have posted on this comment thread) but he doesn't describe how to build a loving relationship with another person. We can't simply love and accept a person, those are the result of building a relationship for a long time.

@my-lb-arts582

Жыл бұрын

fair point

Indeed. That was spot on.

Exactly what I felt but couldn't express

@halocekicksass "If there is someone whom you truly love then their "flaws" will never appear as flaws in the first place" Yea, that's exactly what he was saying. Your comment just explicitly says Zizek's whole point---that what others may see as flaws, or what you might've seen as flaws prior to falling in love, are part of the qualities that make that person perfect for you. Just because someone is stupid doesn't mean the person in love with them de-values their stupidity; no, they value it

i like the music that takes the second half of the video.

such a brilliant man

Great definition of love...

yeah! i am kind a glad to live in todays times.

@josephbayrak8097

3 жыл бұрын

Are you still alive?

beautiful way to look at this

I love more4, not in spite of its decline from ambitious thoughtful television into endless repeats of property shows, but because of its decline from ambitious thoughtful television into endless repeats of property shows

Watching this on Valentine's day! LOL!

@flawedverses

3 жыл бұрын

The week is starting soon. Got recommended this today.

related clip: love is evil, perhaps more accurate.

This man is soo genius - he must be a god.

Power of love!

Wow. Half of this video is a waste of time.

@michael.knight

9 жыл бұрын

Samuel Torres You must be a very important person worrying about 30 seconds of lost time.

@kutlesss429

9 жыл бұрын

Michael KNT Hah. No. But shotty editing gets no excuse. I want it written that I disagree with this as a standard. The video's just a video. But what it represents disappoints me.

@dcodework2421

7 жыл бұрын

I dint care bcoz I was in love with his words!.

@fabriziolascimmia

6 жыл бұрын

so it's life, man

@tylerodonnnell6821

5 жыл бұрын

A Downbeat Exegete guys, he’s referring to the fact that half the video doesn’t even involve zizek, but rather just stupid transitional stuff

I like his thinking

Zizek is the new Plato!

@ThaleiaFantasy

4 жыл бұрын

*Socrates

Por qué no eres uno de mis profesores de uni?

evidently from Channel 4 (UK)

I found out about about Zizek because of a crush I had. I have a terrible taste in humans and that guy was terrible but Zizek stayed with me.

@cirrusm.2829

2 жыл бұрын

@Tol Jak Yes but only every 3 weeks during my premenstrual exacerbation

that's pretty deep bro

Love is like sunshine, it makes everything grow, takes away ignorant darkness and gives its warm bounty indiscriminately, and yet if you close your door, or pull the drapes, this immense power will not bust down your door, or tear down your windows, it's not in its nature.

I could understand how everything was created but love. It's the most freaking creation, energy whatever the fuck it is, of this twisted human existence

@Djellowman

2 жыл бұрын

No it's just chemicals that make you find a mate

Thank you for posting this video awsome! Where is this clip from?

This is undrestendable only to those whoo completely loved a flawed person not bicouse it's flaws but inspite of them... And to those whoo are searching for ''useful'' partner with reason and practicality on there mind, this is sience fiction!

nailed it

If you're in a fire and someone rescues you, you love that person. We would rather die than be alone and if someone comes along and shows interest then its very easy to fall in love with your hero, even if they look like garbage and are basic. The mind, which is terrified of solitude, does a stunt on itself and voila, Mr Everyday Man is the apple of your eye. The term love is just a nice twist on the term desperation.

@noobzie8963

Жыл бұрын

Very interesting. Could you tell me where you read about this?

@michaelshannon9169

Жыл бұрын

@@noobzie8963 I didnt read about it but think about it, how could so many ordinary ppl, regular joes and plain janes of the world, nothing special, be loveable? What is it about regular ppl that could be considered worthy of the highest form of emotion? It makes very little sense, otherwise we could love almost anyone, right? So its more of an illusion, an inversion - I tell them I love them so I can be loved back, therefore I will love them in return. Its a strange dynamic of reciprocation where two ppl present a false idea to one another and out of desperation, a need to believe it, and it results in a tense emotion of being saved really. We are saviours to one another and love is born out of this, being saved. But its never love, its just desperation and clinginess masked as something exalting.

@satyre_1

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelshannon9169 dude, what are you, Aromantic? Cus same lolol.

All these beauty should make an effort that better beauty are available which give you more euphoria, more joy, and no side effects. Now beauty is capable of doing it.

I find when he said love is evil more true but

Do you want to have a relationship with me or should i pursue other options?

that outtro tho

How is seeing eternal beauty in the everyday person different from idealizing him or her?

@aenesidemus_schulze

3 жыл бұрын

Would be my question, too... Isn't this by definition(!) idealising?

@AlekBro

3 жыл бұрын

It's a paradox, because we're all walking paradoxes. What he's saying is that true love is fully appreciating another person's beauty while keeping in mind their imperfection. Not seeing them as either idealistically beautiful and perfect or vulgar and imperfect, but as a perplexing mixture of both good and bad, as all humans are.

@aenesidemus_schulze

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlekBro but aren't you discriminating all other persons, if you favour one person over all others just based on your unconscious desires? That's not necessarily bad, but not necessarily good or morally superior either...

@power50001562

3 жыл бұрын

@@aenesidemus_schulze I think Thomas Aquinas has a better conceptualization of love. Both in terms of the mechanics of love and in love being the ultimate motivation behind every human being's actions no matter how good or evil the actions are. Aquinas would say: To love is to consistently will and choose the good of the other. This would be a definition that avoids relying on unconscious desires because willing and choosing the good would necessarily make the act of love a conscious act.

loveyou

As a christian growing up, I thought only we knew about Love. I was wrong... again... Hahahah

@Joh-jf5kc

3 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't say so. As a matter of fact, Žižek called himself an "atheist Christian" several times I think. kzread.info/dash/bejne/hnmpu5ZvoJjfeJc.html ... for instance Love in the Christian sense means the most radical form of love I can imagine. What more could you possibly give than the sacrifice of becoming a man: being voluntarily betrayed, abandoned by your closest friends, denied, publically humiliated and brutally crucified while losing faith in the purpose that sustained in suffering ("My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"). And all of that after having just lived a perfectly sinless life. This ultimate sacrifice means precisely to "see eternal beauty in the everyday person" in the most radical way. Furthermore, remember the highest commandments Jesus gave us ;) To conclude, you're right: There are many religions and philosophies that deal with love. But there is only one in which love really constitutes the actual core (logos) of the philosophy.

@Anudorini-Talah

3 жыл бұрын

noobs

@MrMajsterixx

Жыл бұрын

@@Joh-jf5kc Iam also christian atheist as iam from western society but i dont believe in supernatural guy in the skies

recently, we witnessed the Fall of a Titan 😔

To revise my comment, a loved "flaw" or more essentially an item of ones person that is loved truly and absolutely ceases to even be a flaw in the sense of the word as it should be used.

lmao half the video is this music wtf man

@fabriziolascimmia

6 жыл бұрын

it's to allow you to let it sink

@lukamijic9549

3 жыл бұрын

@@fabriziolascimmia I liked it :)

@lastsonshine

3 жыл бұрын

@@fabriziolascimmia lmao

Love is not an active search for something that may or may not be perfect according to some standards, because this requires idealization. Here is why I think Zizek contradicts himself. He says that love is not idealizing but at the same time he says that love is finding perfection in the ordinary person. I prefer to think that love is blind and itself invisible and can only be found by chance (i.e. Passively).

@ladyindira

8 жыл бұрын

All paradoxes may be reconciled.

@justinbailey2347

2 жыл бұрын

"Love is like jazz : You make it up as you go along and you act as if you really knew the song But you don't and you never will so you flaunt your mistakes and you make them until.. They.. Were you" -Stephin Merritt

I can tell he likes Kierkegaard

chi qui dopo la schiscia?

It still is, to fantasize about someone, to see beauty and perfection where there is nothingness is a fictional supplement that supply the imbalance in nature. Love is the imbalance, love is evil.

Slavoj, do you love me? Don't lie to me.

Anyone know where this clip is from?

@fabriziolascimmia

6 жыл бұрын

there is LITERALLY the link below it

@123gwf I don't think that's the point there but, your comment was hilarious haha

qui dopo la newsletter di venti

that was healing through getting over ma ex

zizek would vomit if he saw what you've done to his comment afterwards

What's yours then?

the same guy that say love is evil

@ToneAntone I beg to differ. I come from Singapore and there we learn differential equations before the age of 16. Go check the syllabus out for yourself. You might be surprised. Not that I am a particular fan of zizek's contrarian/unsystematic philosophy

Is that it? Would have liked to have heard more! 🙄

The outro is half the video

@halocekicksass but you love IN SPITE of flaws. perfect people dont exist, so feeling true love necessarily means that you are accepting all flaws in a person and loving nonetheless. just think about it! and yes - of course you will notice flaws, i think your argument is poorly thought out.

@thetinalyons Hm. I admit that is a very bizarre comment that i made. I'm not really sure why i said that, nor why my comment got so many thumbs up. I have the feeling maybe there were annotations that were deleted or something? I'm as confused as you are.. lol

404 zizek meme not found

@Wittgensteinism Its just a T.V channel ident

This seems quite contrary to what he says here: watch?v=hg7qdowoemo Could someone explain?

@matijabl

5 жыл бұрын

Where's the contradiction?

@thebloads i dont give a shit about his personal life, hes a philosopher writer talker

Why don't you love me?

is zizek just a gnostic

xDD press 0:30 for passionate love insert

What? Loving someone for their flaws seems to fit the idea pretty well.

that mustache doesnt feel like żizek but ok

see inmortal beauty in ordinary everyday persons, Know that feel bro. U_U. let's face it most of people never found true love, because they only find beautiful what they see in television. (Rich, beautiful, Sexy, vampires, Cosmo chanel, sex in the city ect ect ect). people love all the things that die, like youth beauty, money, wittiness, social prestige etc etc etc... they doesn't mean anything whatsoever cuz we all gonna die, yes the love is evil coz in selfishness

This is the same man who says he despises love and hates life. Lol

@almasdancing

3 жыл бұрын

He says that? What's wrong with that? Isn't love to be hated when it's endowed to a creation as fickle as a human being? To rely on a human being for external love?! The horror of existence!

@deanmccrorie3461

3 жыл бұрын

@@almasdancing why are you talking to me?

@almasdancing

3 жыл бұрын

@@deanmccrorie3461 I am not talking to you. I commented on your post. What's the problem?

@deanmccrorie3461

3 жыл бұрын

@@almasdancing ok then why are you responding to me? 🙄

Look at Zizeks personal life and you will see that he does not believe what he says. Perhaps he is making you his 'big Other'.

@communistfun True. Im just saying that its really easy to make up false formulations when you are not held to personal account.

You misrepresent zikek

@Wittgensteinism Really? He would vomit to see it on youtube? Žižek appears on television all the time, internationally.

Well, not much beauty around.

True love may ruin a good cigar and your political career, but it doesn't charge you 40 dollars - Bill Clinton

@ToneAntone 'Easy stuff everybody can do?' I take real issue with that. On the contrary: critical theory is in no way as easy as you might think; and its role is to be in no way shunned. Just because he isn't a scientist - perhaps what you might call a social-scientist instead - it automatically means he's stupid? I want to see you write 30 books on cultural phenomena, and say it's 'easy stuff everybody can do'.

You could 👩‍❤️‍💋‍👩 love a stone if it emitted sufficient amount of pheromones Period .•°

SNIFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Romantic love is ego expression.

@lc9072

3 жыл бұрын

Egoists annoy the fuck out of me. And most people, so thats why you can't find anyone if you were wondering.

@farrider3339

3 жыл бұрын

@ikmarchini : let me add "ultimate" ego expression .•°

Agree with the sentiment but Zizek seems to be making a false dichotomy out of this. Surely seeing beauty in the mundane aspects of your lover is a kind of idealization in itself? It's just an idealization grounded in the reality of the person rather than one which unhealthily objectifies them (c.f. Romeo & Juliet).

@rasmusbang505

10 жыл бұрын

Why is it false? There is a difference between idealising the sublime (the perfect body etc) and the mundane (ordinary person). Love is very traumatic in this sense, that it makes one person more significant than everything else, despite the person being completely "ordinary".

True love doesn't set you back 40 dollars, but may ruin a good cigar- Bill Clinton

Zizek's comment is almost self defeating in nature. If there is someone whom you truly love then their "flaws" will never appear as flaws in the first place and would only become evident once the person you love or someone else tells you their opinion from their perspective. If you call the one you love slightly stupid and describe your loves figure as imperfect how can you ever see that person as an absolute? Those are both phrases used from the mass inclinations of others.

@C.R.C.

Жыл бұрын

I know this comment is over a decade old and you might not even be alive anymore, but I just want to tell you that you are a fucking moron.

@PesterNester

Жыл бұрын

@@C.R.C. awe thanks for thinking about me

@C.R.C.

Жыл бұрын

@@PesterNester You're welcome and I'm glad you're still alive

oz ta folk neki debatira in zanima me koga on distrakta z debato in Ali se mi njegov govor pojavi cez moja usta???

marcosturner1 They don't admire those aspects because they see it on television, they admire those aspects because it's our nature. We still think mostly in our evolutionary, instinctual, egotistic, narcissistic ways and that's why we value those things. You rarely see someone with someone who is lesser than them in at least one of those categories: physical attractiveness, social attractiveness, charm, wealth, or confidence.

Not real love, apparently.

sickening lol

Hes wrong

Thanks for 27 seconds at the end of pointlessness.

It's basically the Christian definition of love. 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” That is Jesus' incarnation and his death on the cross. He saw eternal beauty in the sinful everyday person. And died for us. What higher form of love will you find? The only sinnless man who has ever lived being abandoned, betrayed and denied, ridiculed and being crucified. "And love consists in this: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son as the atoning sacrifice for our sins." 1 John 4:10

Vulgar every day person - how can you not fall in love with them. lol.

so out of context.... missed the point...

love is a feeling caused by having your sexual and emotional needs met by someone. it's wonderful and significant, but that's it. everything beyond that is just societal interpretation.

it idealizes the imperfections, making them perfect so it is an idealization of the other, making the person perfect. love is idealization, it idealizes the other, it transvalues the other. every heinous, despicable behaviour has its potential to find love and be idealized. this is the evil at the core of love

@cypher90s15

5 жыл бұрын

No, because in our everyday lives we are not closer to the truth, than we are when we're in love. Being in love makes you ,,more alive'' than in your everyday life, therefore there is no need for idealization, when you have the gift to see that perfection is already there immanent to imperfection, something which we are not capable of seeing in everyday life.

@ash4321able

3 жыл бұрын

This thread reminds me of what zizek talks about wisedom.