Just to clarify & respond to a few comments about Alduin as a nordic version of Akatosh. Belief =/= Reality If I were to say "X" culture believes in a flat earth, it does not mean I believe in a flat earth or that it is true. I am stating the culture broadly does. So, If I were to say nords believe akatosh and alduin to be one in the same, IT DOES NOT mean that this is the "reality" but rather but their "belief". Beliefs are also subject to change over time - like I state in the video: "I established earlier that Alduin is understood by the nords to be their version of akatosh, and rather than being venerated, he is appeased and the nords wish not to invoke him for fear he may end the world. Now, 4th era imperialised nords, tend to disassociate Alduin with the concept of akatosh, surely because it is hard to reconcile the idea of Alduin’s role with the great dragon god of the empire that is akatosh. But it stands that at least for the majority of Nordic history, and even some until today, understand or understood Alduin to be Akatosh." REMEMBER most nords of 4th era skyrim just worship imperial divines (akatosh and the like). ALSO, I DID STATE THE SOURCES IN THE VIDEO THAT SHOW NORDIC BELIEF THAT ALDUIN = AKATOSH, BUT I WILL SHOW THEM CLEARLY HERE: Variteites of Faith in Tamiel: [Found in ESO, 2nd Era] - Conclusion: Alduin = Akatosh Alduin (The World-Eater): "Alduin is the Nord variation of Akatosh. He only superficially resembles his counterpart in the Imperial Eight Divines. For example, Alduin's sobriquet, "the World Eater," comes from myths that depict him as the horrible, ravaging firestorm that destroyed the last world to begin this one. Nords therefore see the god of time as both creator and harbinger of the apocalypse." Varities of Faith in the Empire: [Found in Morrowind/Skyrim, 3rd Era] - Conclusion: Alduin = Akatosh "Alduin (World Eater): Alduin is the Nordic variation of Akatosh, and only superficially resembles his counterpart in the Nine Divines. For example, Alduin's sobriquet, 'the world eater', comes from myths that depict him as the horrible, ravaging firestorm that destroyed the last world to begin this one. Nords therefore see the god of time as both creator and harbinger of the apocalypse." Divines & the Nords: [Found in ESO, 2nd Era] - Conclusion: Alduin = Akatosh "Probably our biggest difference relates to the head of the pantheon. We Nords consider Kyne as the leader of the gods and find the Imperial fascination with Alduin (who they call Akatosh) to be both perplexing and mildly disturbing. We work diligently to keep Alduin asleep, while our southern neighbors try time and time again to get his attention! Which is why I begin every service in the temple with a prayer to praise Alduin (oh great god of time!), followed by a prayer to keep him at bay (may your slumber stretch on for a thousand generations!)." The Alduin/Akatosh Dichotomy: [Found in Skyrim, 4th era] - Conclusion: Alduin = Akatosh BUT the 'primitive nords' get things wrong. "And so, it is my conclusion that the Alduin of Nord legend is in fact mighty Akatosh, whose story grew twisted and deformed through centuries of retelling and embellishment. Through no real fault of their own, the primitive peoples of Skyrim failed to understand the goodness and greatness of the Great Dragon, and it was this lack of understanding that formed the basis of what became, ironically, their most impressive creative achievement - "Alduin," the World Eater, phantom of bedtime stories and justification for ancient (if imagined deeds)." OF COURSE THERE IS DIFFERING BELIEFS SUCH AS: Alduin is Real: [Found in Skyrim, 4th era] - Conclusion: Alduin =/=Akatosh "As my da used to say - Imperials are idiutts! That is why I am riting this book. I ent never rote a book before, and I do not reckon to rite one agenn, but sometimes a man must do what a man must do. And what I must do is set the recerd strate about the god called Akatosh and the dragon called Alduin. They ent the same thing, no matter what them Imperials mite say, or how thay mite wish it to be so. My da was never one for the gods, but my ma was. She wershipped all the Divines, and tot me lots of things. So I noe a thing or two about Akatosh. Just as much as any Imperial. I noe he was the first of all the gods to take shape in the Beginning Place. And I noe he has the shape of a dragon. My da even told me the story of Martyn Septim, and the things what happened when the gates to Oblivion opened. Septim turned into the spirit of Akatosh and killed Mehrunes Dagon. Now I dont noe about you, but any dragon that fites the Prince of Destruction is okay by me. Now I hope you understand the problim. Akatosh is good. Everyone, from Nord to Imperial, noes that. But Alduin? He ent good! He's the oposit of good! That Alduin is evil thrue and thrue. So you see, Akatosh and Alduin cant be one and the same. Growing up as a lad in Skyrim, I herd all the stories. Told to me by my da, who was told by his da, who was told by his da, and so on. And one of those stories was about Alduin. But see, he was not Akatosh. He was another dragon and a real wun at that. Akatosh is some kind of spirit dragon I think, wen he bothers to be a dragon at all (and not a god livin in sum kind of god plac like Obliviun). But Alduin is a real dragon, with flesh and teeth and a mean streak longer than the White River. And there was a time when Alduin tried to rool over all of Skyrim with his other dragons. In the end, it took sum mitey strong heroes to finally kill Alduin and be dun with his hole sorry story. So I got to ask - does that sound like Akatosh to you? No, frend. No it do not. And so I, Thromgar Iron-Head do firmly say, with the utmost connvicshun, that Alduin is real, and he ent Akatosh!" Temples of the Dragon Cult [Found in ESO, 2nd era] - Conclusion: Alduin is firstborn of Akatosh (which like I say in vid, could imply incarnation or aspect of Akatosh, which also aligns with the whole AKA-Tusk concept) "While no modern Tamrielan need believe these hopelessly fanciful fables, the Nords' simple-minded veneration for these places betokens their fear of the return of the Dragon Priests. During the worship of Akatosh (the dragon) as god-kings over men, these priests were the conduit through which dragons spoke, made laws, and were honored with grand and elaborate temples. When Alduin, Akatosh's firstborn, was defeated atop the Throat of the World during the mythical Dragon War, the cult that sprang up around these dragon guardians soon receded into the soil, buried among dragon mounds with the remains of these beasts." AT THE END OF THE DAY, I AM NOT SAYING THAT I BELIEVE ALDUIN = AKATOSH because obviously as players we are privy to the quests, dialogue and experiences of the games, as well as lore understanding of the elder scrolls that would be unachievable for most the nords within skyrim. So, in summary I believe there is a wealth of evidence ^ to show that for most of skyrim's history, nords BELIEVED Alduin = Akatosh. However an academic (Temples of Dragon Cult) understanding, or player (skyrim main quest) understanding would give one a very different point of view regarding Alduin. BUT again that is irrelevant when discussing their system of belief.

@phylsorkyrem3615

2 жыл бұрын

Dang, I appreciate all that extra explanation ON TOP of the whole freaking video! Keep up the great work, Fudgemuppets!

@matthewwheeldon668

2 жыл бұрын

There's is no definitive lore for the elder scrolls is that what your getting at

@knottheory79220

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewwheeldon668 It's one of the greatest things about the universe. Every single interpretation of the same events is different but in its own fantastic way. In a way it's sort of realistic, show the same event to 6 different people and you'll get 7 different accounts of it.

@MarkyD.Ingram

2 жыл бұрын

If you are interested enough you should check out Double Negative. He has several videos on lore and book readings for the elder scrolls games even a discussion with Ted Peterson. He's honestly my favorite elder scrolls lore nerd, but I thought you'd like to see his stuff, if you haven't. :D

@chisasa9509

2 жыл бұрын

Whenever you guys Clarify or Explain an Elder Scrolls Lore, your imagination is more depictive, comprehensive rather than miniscule tidbits sparaticly parceled in Skyrim. How much "out of game" research mush you need to find out there is more than 4 Gods in Skyrim. Lol it's almost like the game didn't care.

I love how nords demonize Akatosh /Auri-el the chief elven god depicting him as Alduin. And on other side elves demonize Shor, chief nord god and depict him as Lorkhan

@salkjdfhalsdgfkauhg

2 жыл бұрын

They're both wrong. There are only the Hist and Sithis.

@corneliaaurelli1603

2 жыл бұрын

They don't. Nords worship Alduin and some believe he is an aspect of Akatosh, and that the Dragonborns, blessed by Akatosh, throughout history are the Divine's blessing to the Nords and one who will solve their problems. In fact, they worship Ysmir (or Talos), one who is blessed by Akatosh. They don't demonize Akatosh just like they don't demonize Alduin. For them, Alduin's role as the world eater is just part of a cycle in the universe and Nirn will be created once again. They see Alduin as the creator and destroyer of the world and the Nords revere him for his role in the universe.

@mongke7858

2 жыл бұрын

@@corneliaaurelli1603 Alduin is not revered at all. He is "worshipped" in the sense that they believe if they please him enough they can keep him from coming to eat the world. It is the worship from fear not veneration.

@bobthestinky7369

2 жыл бұрын

@@salkjdfhalsdgfkauhg The only true god is Todd

@deswestens

2 жыл бұрын

They revere Akatosh

Kyne: *Breathes* Nords: So anyway, we started blasting

@prozoomy3588

2 жыл бұрын

Snow elves go reeeeeeeee

@LordIsrafel

2 жыл бұрын

>blasting >implying ranged combat >implying being too afraid to charge the enemy line Ysgramor: So anyway, I started cleaving

@wessmoore7894

2 жыл бұрын

Upon their creation, the Nords woke up and chose violence.

The way I understand the Alduin/Akatoah relationship is like Jesus of Nazereth, and the God of Abraham in Christianity, Jesus is the son of God, but simultaneously is God. So I’m my mind, Alduin in the firstborn of Akatosh/Bormahu but still IS Akatosh

@lewdawg5196

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly this I have always thought this.

@Super50ldier

Жыл бұрын

Yeah

@theenderdestruction2362

Жыл бұрын

Hence why I like to headcannon that the dragonborn is the last born of aktosh and aludin's opposite both are huge chunks of akastosh and both are cosmic opposites one wishes to rule the other is destined to save in the end the two are atleast in my headcannon forever destined to either find or fight each other until the godhead wakes up

Nothing will ever justify their absence in Skyrim to me

@ravindunandirathna1600

2 жыл бұрын

Tbf the Nords adopting the Imperial Pantheon has always been foreshadowed ever since TES Redguard.

@shortfuse9443

2 жыл бұрын

@@ravindunandirathna1600 there are characters in Oblivion that reference the Nord religion. Even if it is explained, it still makes the world much less interesting this way

@valeclaw1697

2 жыл бұрын

@@ravindunandirathna1600 imperials struggled to convert them within their own province in oblivion.

@mr.j7444

2 жыл бұрын

But it’s so much easier if we just write as if only the 9 divines work guys we don’t wanna have to write more stuff in our 10 year plus dev cycles.

@insaincaldo

2 жыл бұрын

What are you on about, both animal totem worship and praise with Nordic names of gods are present in game. They just made it very clear that Imperial influence is getting out of hand.

Alduin is 100% a deity. Whether he's the first born or actually Akatosh... idk. But the facts lie in the way he dies. When you don't absorb his soul it tells me he is truly not your equal. He's truly something greater. Seeing as you can absorb every other dragon soul.

@mr.j7444

2 жыл бұрын

Because you don’t really kill alduin. You banish him for a time but eventually he will end the kalper cycle. It’s why I think the atmorans may actually be from another cycle.

@codybaggett5329

2 жыл бұрын

I always thought it was because he was an important part of the culpa cycle and couldn't permanently die, or be absorbed by another shard of the original time god? That, or akatosh absorbed, or saved him instead.

@SonofKalas22

2 жыл бұрын

it's spelled Kalpa. It's a real sanskrit word.

@perdedor3571

2 жыл бұрын

@@mr.j7444 absolutely. Alduin was corrupted by power and pride. He chose to rule over men instead of fulfilling his role in ending the Kalpa. The dragonborn needed to destroy Alduin so he can be reborn. Parthunax said that by trying to save the current kalpa you may help it to end faster.

@silverninja5218

2 жыл бұрын

Being the first born of Akatosh is some Imperial propaganda. Hail the Stormcloaks!

Its good to finally have a fully comprehensive video on the my favourite pantheon and my favourite race. May Jhunal bless with with knowledge for the rest of this series, and so you can avoid the trickery of old Herma Mora.

@mr.j7444

2 жыл бұрын

@@BabySniff what you want actual depth? That doesn’t sell to the masses.

An idea that popped into my mind during this video. Auri-el and Akatosh are the same god. Auri-el/akatosh lead the fight against Shor and his human armies during the Dawn Era, afterwards we ear tales of the dragons ( creations/ essences/ incarnations of Akatosh aka Auri-el) and how they dominated the nords in a tyrannical fashion. Seeing on how the nords are the human race with the closest realtionship with Shor and how Alduin is able to enter sovgarn and feast on nordic souls. could the dragons be a tool of Auri-el/akatosh to punish/control the armies of shor/lorkhan long after the divines lost the ability to walk on mundus. This would explain on why the Dragons, a species with a domination kink, never tried to dominate any other race besides the nords (all other provinces at the time where dominated by elves, as far as i understand it the Dragon Wars happened before the fall of the Aylieds/ Ra Gada invasion / Fall of Direnni Clan). Since by this theory, The Dragons where a revenge/control tool created by Auri-el against Lorkhan and his armies, it makes sence for the Dragons to not try to dominate elven races. Also, when phatumax whent "against his nature", he sided with Kyne. Kyne is often despicted as an ally of Shor/Lorkhan. He betrayed his creator, auri-el, by not only stoping what he was ment to do but by going directly against what he was MADE to do. In the eyes of his maker Phatumax joined the enemy, aka the followers of Lorkhan/Shor The Dragons are the Jailors of Man sorry for bad english, not a native speaker 😥

As a Nord main this fascinates me, but as an unrepentant Hermaeous Mora Stan this mildly pisses me off.

@fleezyp

2 жыл бұрын

Herma talk a lot Nord don’t like talk a lot Herma boring Herma bad

@notoriousviv283

2 жыл бұрын

Stan

@TheUlquiorraCifer

2 жыл бұрын

@@fleezyp Me Nord, Me big strong boy! RAGGGGH!

@Home_Rich

2 жыл бұрын

Ooh oh AHH AAH

@imbetter599

2 жыл бұрын

Seen any elves? HAHAHA

I watched that ideal Skyrim lore video you made back a couple months or so, I've gotta say that video was great. Real shame that Bethesda did not choose to take Ulfric and the Old Holds in a more harsh and weathered direction in terms of Nord culture. Seeing a return to tradition with the reestablishment of the Tongues would have been way more interesting and a better take on the Nords. Although Ulfric contains some of these elements already it would have been nice if Bethesda made him more similar to a current era Ysmir. Having the Nords be Imperalised in the Fourth Era just makes for a more boring story and less authentic race of Nords. Also this was an interesting deep dive into the Atmoran Pantheon and Nordic gods. Love your work Scott, the Nords would reserve a place in Sovengarde for you.

Dwemer Gods EXPLAINED: "F*** the Gods. We have logic."

@Doralga

2 жыл бұрын

Technically the Numidium counts as the brass god 😄

@wanderedhades

2 жыл бұрын

WAIT SPONGEBOB! WE'RE NOT CAVEMEN! we have technology.

@thalmoragent9344

2 жыл бұрын

Legendary

@oDogg0206

2 жыл бұрын

*WAIT KAGRENAC, WE'RE NOT CAVEMEN, WE HAVE TECHNOLOGY* *entire dwemer people become gods like a boss*

@thalmoragent9344

2 жыл бұрын

@@oDogg0206 Facts, they all ascend and make their own realm. Instead of Aetherius or Mundus or Oblivion, the madlads carve out their own Realm within the Aurbis

No, the legend is that the Nord confronting Herma Mora was talking to a rabbit, who was Herma Mora in disguise, who could hear the deer that the Nord hunter was stalking but had lost. The hunter wished to know where the deer had gone and the rabbit told him that if the hunter had his long ears he could easily find his lost game as well as not go hungry in the future with such a better set of ears to work with. The rabbit further tells the man that if only he would wish for such ears he could have them. The man without thinking agrees that having such ears would be very useful and his ears start to change. The fox, or Shor, appeared to stop Herma Mora's trickery and save his people from becoming elves by driving off the rabbit and telling the hunter he is being tricked by the rabbit. The fox drives off the rabbit and then reveals himself to be Shor and warns against trusting rabbits who serve the Woodland man, Old Mora. Which is why you should always kill rabbits in Skyrim if you are a Nord.

@theenderdestruction2362

Жыл бұрын

I let wolfs do that for me and then I kill the wolves because they attacked me

@phildicks4721

6 ай бұрын

I kill the rabbits after finding out there is a entry in the Combat Stats for "Bunnies Killed". I think the KZread ESO pointed out that stat in one of his videos on "Things you probably didn't know about Skyrim" series.

The whole concept of a Dragonborn literally means for the Nords that Akatosh and Alduin are not the same. Akatosh gifted men a Dragonborn to defeat Alduin for usurping his father's throne. This is why back on Atmora the Dragon Cult was just and honorable. It all changed after the Dragon War when anything Dragon related was considered bad and compared to Alduin, the tyrant of the Dragon Cult. The books: Temples of the Dragon Cult, The Alduin/Akatosh Dichotomy and Alduin is Real, show us that the Nords see both Alduin and Akatosh as two different deities and it was the early Imperial scholars and scribes who messed it all up, saying that the Nords see both Time Dragons as one. And going by MK's text The Seven Fights of The Aldudagga, the Atmorans also saw a difference between Akatosh and Alduin, and the oversoul Aka-Tusk.

@thalmoragent9344

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, people forget they once venerated the Dragons, and even had a bit of respect for the likes of Alduin, or at least accepted the place of his importance and such

@bernardoblanchetramirez6032

2 жыл бұрын

@@thalmoragent9344 not really venerated, they were under their iron fist and some nords decided to join them becoming dragon priests. But this is just what Skyrim added and changed, the old lore was so much better.

@TheWunderWaffelShow

2 жыл бұрын

Interestingly the gray beards give the last dragonborn the title of Ysmir, who was a champion of Lorkhan and likely one of the Shezzarine.

@RealMothman98

2 жыл бұрын

@@bernardoblanchetramirez6032 I agree. The Dragon Cult shit sucks.

@tokentrend3614

2 жыл бұрын

Lol holy shit, this guy elder scrolls

Gotta love when you open KZread and the first thing you see is a new Elder Scrolls lore vid. Keep up the great work!

Fudge muppet, I have been binge consuming your content and I just want to thank you for keeping my imagination fed as well as keeping my love for elder scrolls alive. I hope you put out more videos soon so I can keep consuming them.

The only good part of my day night time calm and fudge muppet telling me a story about elder scrolls lore. Just perfection

Planned to do a nord warrior(or mage, haven’t decided yet) who worshipped shor & sailed to skyrim to finish his pilgrimage. This video will help alot in regards to fleshing out his backstory & reasons for the decisions he makes.

@insaincaldo

2 жыл бұрын

Why not both, battle mages are fun.

@seawind930

2 жыл бұрын

Comes to Skyrim: well I can tell YOU nord are an outlander.

I hope he does the Argonian God's after the imperial ones. Or the Orcish gods

@valeclaw1697

2 жыл бұрын

This is a powerful lore shitpost holy fuck

@fleezyp

2 жыл бұрын

By the hist

@Doralga

2 жыл бұрын

The Khajiit one is the coolest said god manage to infiltrate Meridia's realm which is inaccessible to mortals and steal a ring off her finger too this day he was only capable of pulling it off

@ShadeMeadows

2 жыл бұрын

Argonian: Tree and Void.

@oDogg0206

2 жыл бұрын

Aren't the orc gods just malacath?

Love to see Atmora getting some love!! Great video as always, fellas

Surprised Nocturnal and Namira weren’t part of the ancient Atmoran pantheon considering that they are essentially the twin sisters of Shor, the former made from his blood and the latter formed from his flesh. However the Reachmen honour both Shor and Namira, and many Reachmen are full-blooded Nords, not just Bretons, so I suppose that counts, not to mention the Ancient Nords built a temple to Nocturnal. Though that’s more to do with individual Nordic cults as opposed to a whole collective racial belief.

@badluck5647

2 жыл бұрын

I thought a Reachmen genocide of nords prevented the mixing of Nord and Reachmen blood?

@thalmoragent9344

2 жыл бұрын

If the Ancient Nords were building Shrines to the likes of Nocturnal or Namira, as well as Hermaeus Mora... well, maybe this is why the Falmer were getting fed up with Saarthal, who knows

@fleezyp

2 жыл бұрын

A cult is still part of the collective

@Alizudo

2 жыл бұрын

@@fleezyp But not representative of the whole.

@fleezyp

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alizudo representation matters even if it’s one person doing it

Scott uploading around 5 in the morning by Talos I shall watch !

Just wanted to point out that the difference between mythology and theology has nothing to do with your own beliefs. Mythology is the collection of stories and myths of a religion and theology is the academic study of mythology. The less faith based version of theology is religious studies but both still study mythology. Mythology is to theology/religious studies what rocks are to geology.

@FedEx867

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@rayzas4885

Жыл бұрын

Theology is the academic study of the divivine and its relation with the universe of humanity not of mythology

@Valentine570

Жыл бұрын

@@rayzas4885 That is literally what it means to study mythology. Mythology is a religions stories of the divine and how it relates to the world around us. Theology doesn't exclusively study mythology but it does study it because studying christian theology without reading the bible (a story about the divine or a mythology) would be stupid.

It’s a shame you didn’t mention the All Maker, whom the Skaal of Solstheim worship alone. Technically they are a Nordic deity, and I would honestly love to hear more about them. Especially since there isn’t much said about them in Skyrim

17:04 This is my head canon too! In fact, I think it may have played a role in the migration of Atmorans to Skyrim. My head canon history of Atmoran worship goes something like this: In the Merethic Era, some Atmorans worshiped an All-maker (as Fenari Strong Voice says) and others just worshiped animals. Which one came first, I don’t know. In either case, the All-maker (via The Hawk/Kyne) blesses the weather to be habitable as long as they treat the animals with respect and live sustainably. So early on, they all live similar to the Skaal. But even from the beginning, there is a (albeit small) divide in beliefs. Eventually dragons convince a faction of the animal worshipers that if they worship dragons over over animals, they will be given inhuman powers (at least to the leaders) and won't need to live sustainably. They can be as violent and glutinous as they want. This starts the Dragon Cult. I'm time, the dragons want ALL Atmorans to be their slaves and try to force the All-maker worshipers and "balanced" animal worshipers into the Cult. This sparks the Atmoran Civil War that led to Ysgrammor leaving for Skyrim. After the Night of Tears, the only Atmorans who were willing to seek revenge on the snow elves were the Dragon Cultists since the other Atmorans didn't believe in vengeful violence. These 500 companions brought the Dragon Cult flavor of worship to Skyrim and (primarily) their lineage carries on there today. Other migrations from Atmora to Skyrim are said to have happened because it got too cold. I believe this was a result of the wayward Dragon Cult Atmorans not adhering to their covenant with their deity to live sustainably. Either Atmora was always cold and the Dragon Cultists themselves couldn't handle it since they lost the blessing or there were so few faithful Atmorans (to the All-maker/Hawk/Kyne/whatever) that the land used to be nice but turned into a snowy wasteland.

@jimcalhoun361

2 жыл бұрын

Unrelated but still curious about: How old does this make Valerica? She swears "By the Maker!" when you bring Serana to the Soul Cairn.

@placeholder2586

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimcalhoun361 well serana her daughter was from before the dwarves disappeared.

@Super50ldier

Жыл бұрын

The All maker is Anui-El, the embodiment of Everlasting Light and Soul of all Things.

Listening to this while my Arcane Thane character meditates in the shade of the Gildergreen. Thanks for all the great content throughout the years!

@FudgeMuppet

8 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for the support! Only just saw this! Massively appreciate it

Great video! I love this new series and cannot wait for the next episode.

Playing a Breton Warrior-Scholar at the moment, and these pantheon videos have been a *huge* help in fleshing out the kinds of influences he would learn from or even internalize in his travels, thanks guys!

I have come to look so forward to your uploads! I know you guys have gone into this before, but it just reinforces the idea that Skyrim (the game/plot) would be more impactful if the worship of Shor was outlawed by the Thalmor.

Your articulate narrative is always so calming and enriching thank you so much for these series!

Than you for the video. Its amazing to me that I am still learning things about the lore of Skyrim over a decade after the game was released. Next time I raid a Nordic tomb and turn the dials with animal totems on them, they will have more significance to me than just the animals they appear to be.

FINALLY, been waiting for this video for years

Surprised you didn't expand upon Ysmir more, are you planning on making a video on the Underking?

Curious if you’re planning on continuing this series, Scott. I’d be really interested to see a red guard one

Awesome video dude

This is a great series thank you for it. I would also like it if you were to go back to explaining all of the Aedra individually and what they represent philosophically as opposed to the Daedra. I still remember the series though I don't think it was ever completed.

Interesting that Drew is the Daedrologist whilst Scott is the Aedric scholar. Their general disposition would point otherwise. Anyway, as always, thanks for another great one Fudgemuppet!

@McHobotheBobo

2 жыл бұрын

Errrr..... know thy enemy? Perhaps it is simply more interesting to study something that is not of usual character, then again, what is appearance to truth? 🤔

It's always when I'm getting the urge to play a TES game you guys post. Drew definitely has some pact with Vile going on to summon us viewers.

Your videos are the best to fall asleep to.

correction: Herma Mora appeared to Ysgramor as a hare, it was Shor who appeared as a fox and killed the trickster.

Due to the games, i think the episodes on the Nords, Dummer and Imperials will be the ones people are most used to, and know most!

@badluck5647

2 жыл бұрын

That is why I look forward to the Redguard one, because it the one I understand least.

I wish you had touched more on the relationship betweem the Orcs and the Nords and Morlocke/Malacath. It would seem that the two cultures have a great deal in common and venerate similar concepts of martial prowess, perseverance and oathkeeping.

Reminds me of some builds, called Atmoran Totems, in Tamrielic Vault.

What is the general perception RE: the ancient Egyptian aspect of the Nords? I'm struck, not only by the mummification of the dead, but also by their belief in multiple contradictory myths as not being inherently flawed. Additionally, the story of Shor parallels that of Osiris in many respects, as a powerful god, murdered by a jealous rival deity, who subsequently rules in the afterlife.

@SupahTrunks7

2 жыл бұрын

Not to resurrect an old comment but I noticed this too. The smaller burial urns in the barrows even resemble canopic jars

Ysmir's beard!!! I love all this Nord stuff!

Excited to see Imperial pantheon and see Tiber Septim among the list

Good video, but I feel like Ysmir should have been expanded on. I've seen some comments saying Ysmir is just a title to the Nords, but from my understanding thats not true. Ysmir is a deity, one that has seemingly come back to life multiple times and is considered the Nordic version of Talos.

@Alizudo

2 жыл бұрын

He's not /supposed/ to be a diety, he was a mortal man who was resurrected by Shor, and has since become heavily involved with Talos. He's "worshiped" the way Dunmer "worship" their ancestors; not literally, but by paying him homage and respect.

I was think that the last dragonborn is shor because you sit on shor's throne and you dont get force off the throne

@benbittinger9789

2 жыл бұрын

Shor's main goal in Sovngarde is to make sure the party keeps going. If a mortal using his throne ensures that there are enough chairs at the feast, then why would he care? He's not using it at that moment. Plus, the idea that both the souls of Akatosh and Shezzar inhabit the same body seems contradictory to their nature.

@philswiftdestroyerofworlds1988

2 жыл бұрын

@@benbittinger9789 But as Camel said, it's not about contradictions or mishaps In Nord culture it is what they perceive that becomes something in of itself Alduin is an aspect of Akatosh Though the Nords see Alduin as Akatosh himself, so they believe that people who pray to Akatosh are fuelling Alduin And lo and behold that very concept lead to Alduin awakening earlier than expected and springing forward the dragon cult in an attempt to rule Tamriel Now if the Nords didn't believe that then maybe Alduin wouldn't be specifically a dragon, or maybe he'd be represented as something else entirely by the Nords and manifest as a world eating bear or something Maybe if Nords didn't believe prayers to Akatosh went to Alduin instead Alduin would've stayed in his slumber for longer A single god may have many different changes depending on who's viewing it Gods in of themselves are contradictory beings and they are no strangers to working side by side or fighting one another for gain

@Super50ldier

Жыл бұрын

@@benbittinger9789 Shezarr not Shezzar, spelling.

I think the Nords say Alduin is Akatosh the same way Imperials say Akatosh is Alduin. Neither exactly understands the other so they just assume they're the same being. Magic had only fallen out of Nordic culture recently with the flooding of Winterhold. Worship of Jhunal fell out of favor long before that, already stated in Morrowind, maybe earlier.

@Cailan_Mors

5 ай бұрын

Or it's a Jesus and God situation.

Excellent video! What armor is that at 13:29 ?

Wasn't there a priest of Talos in Bruma who mentioned that Nords traditionally prefer to worship Ysmir over Talos? Are they technically the same diety/person or was Ysmir a title that can be bestowed upon someone by the Greybeards. I get that stuff mixed up sometimes lol

@mr.j7444

2 жыл бұрын

From what lore is there to put together the nords associate that ysgramor became tiber septim as he continued on his conquest and became talos when he ascended. Which given the known life span of tiber septim it’s more than possible the atmorans where implied to live far longer than modern races of men.

@chronica6457

2 жыл бұрын

Ysmir is a title given to several people, including, allegedly, Tiber Septim. However, the first Ysmir (or one of the first) was closed friends with Tiber Septim and helped him establish the empire so I think it's possible that he's the one people refer to when they say Talos was named Ysmir. It's theorized that the true Talos is not just Tiber Septim, but a mixture of Septim, Ysmir and The Underking

I hope you do a video about the new creations from Anniversary Edition! :)

@fudgeMuppet are you going to do an overview, podcast or breakdown of the "additional content" from the anniversary edition?

I hope in a future Elderscrolls game, there's a story arch about Nords who wish to return to the Old Atmoran faith. Not only is it interesting, but also befitting the Nords more than the Imperial Pantheon. They should reclaim their culture.

@baneofbanes

Жыл бұрын

I dunno they’ve kinda tied them doves to it with the whole Talos worship.

There is some mythological credence to the idea of Shor shoring up a fighting force in Sovngard, as the warriors of Norse myth who went to Valhalla (called Einherjar) were expected to fight for Odin at Ragnarok, on Vigrid Field, where they would all die again, as well as Odin and the other gods.

hey Fudgemuppet yay new video, on 11.11 i was checking youtube refreshing waiting for videos from the gods, fudgemuppet and camelworks hehe, :( anyway bought skyrim anniversary on ps4 pro and series X and enjoying new character play through, cant wait for pod cast and loved the concert too and Lord Camel was featured too, disappointed fudgemuppet weren't featured, sorry to tweet so much hahah leading up to and during Skyrim anniversary just had to thank everyone your channels truly mean a lot and have made my adventures so much more thank you legends :)

The nords have cool gods

I think that Atmorans were given the power of the Thu'um on the Throat of the World by Kyne, and this is where they considered themselves.. changed, into Nords, thus both the Breath of Kyne and Atmora stories are true in a sensible way.

Been waiting for this one

0:45 - "ROGER ROGER!"

Nords used to be more immune to cold and taller. They lost that blessing. And are now 50% immune to frost, not 100% and aren't immune to cold. Could freeze to death. Not talking about gameplay

Ok serious question for all Elder Scroll fans out there. I'm new to the series and I am absolutely loving it! However, I want to know more. What are some authentic Elder Scrolls books with canon lore in them that I can buy? Please provide titles and authors. I've always been interested in real world culture and mythology and this stuff is just fantastic. Thank you.

I feel like a questline that exemplifies the Nords’ view on creation stories is the one where you retrieve a lost verse about Olaf One-Eye for the Bard’s College. The writer claims that Olaf One-Eye never fought Numinex, yet Olaf’s presence in Sovrngarde says different. Perhaps both are true.

@defeatstatistics7413

Жыл бұрын

Shor is symbolised by the Fox, which is also a symbol of cunning. We also see Jurgen Windcaller, who swore off violence, so battle is obviously not the only thing Shor values in his mighty Hall.

Its like Meridia and the Golden Knight. Hes an extension of her will...her champion. Alduin was sent by Akatosh and was given a role. Its his destiny bcuz thts what Akatosh wills. Which makes me think.... Daedra and Aedra are timeless. They dont perceive time like we do. They see past present n future all in one.(That or theyre just extremely meticulous on how they use their assets.)

So dibella is associated with moths maybe just maybe the elder scrolls have something to do with her

@TheWunderWaffelShow

2 жыл бұрын

Moths are also associated with Talos, the imperial army, and Lorkhan in the sermons of Vivec

I really like this content. I don't have much more else to say lol

Any more of these coming?

Oh wait! Kyne and Hircine! The Nords call themselves The Children of Kyne. And the Forsworn worship Hircine

Gosh another great lore video as always. But man TES really know how create complex and so vastly such interesting mythology/beliefs than our own I wont lie.

It's a bit weird isn't it the nords consider alduin to be akatosh there a god of their time. But they fought him in battle and banished him it's odd thinking that they would get rid of one of their own gods.

@jamescarey6263

2 жыл бұрын

That's kind of like saying christians should like satan, because he's an angel in their mythology.

@philswiftdestroyerofworlds1988

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamescarey6263 *Was an angel

@fathergascoigne1457

2 жыл бұрын

@@philswiftdestroyerofworlds1988 Is

@philswiftdestroyerofworlds1988

2 жыл бұрын

@@fathergascoigne1457 How is Satan still an angel? If I'm not mistaken "Angel" is a reserved name for a holy being of god and it's in of itself a role/creation of ongoing commitment and service to the Lord The Bible does everything to demonize Satan and repel him from the divine discarding his rank of angel and holy status before plunging him into hell Explain to me how Satan is still an angel "Fallen Angel" is a title us humans have given Satan but he is an anti-angelic being by nature To claim that he's "Still an angel" due to the title we gave him is beyond stupid It's like saying the human race are "Fallen Fish/Apes" but we are now obviously a different species entirely from what we once were But one idiot still thinks we are an ape/fish The Bible goes into great lengths to explain the deceit of the devil and his grand illusions To claim he is STILL an angel is beyond laughable and is a pathetic argument because you know that isn't the case

@mcgoldenblade4765

2 жыл бұрын

@@philswiftdestroyerofworlds1988 Calm down, dude.

GOD TIMESTAMPS Kyne (Hawk) 2:01 , 16:07 Alduin (Dragon) 2:44 Shor (Fox) 14:12 Mara (She-Wolf) 17:59 Dibella (Moth) 19:17 Stun/Tsun (Whale/Bear) 19:50 Junal (Owl) 21:00

@Super50ldier

Жыл бұрын

Tsun (Bear).

@Super50ldier

Жыл бұрын

What does Shor say?

@aquapb893

Жыл бұрын

@@Super50ldier like what does the god represent? He’s the dead god who welcomes warriors into Sovngarde. It’s rumored that Shor does this to prepare for the next Kalper and the inevitable war with the elven gods for supremacy over the next world

@Super50ldier

Жыл бұрын

@@aquapb893 What does the Fox say?

@aquapb893

Жыл бұрын

@@Super50ldier -_-

I really love the mysticism of the Elder Scrolls universe. It, along with Discworld, strongly influence the softer magic of my own writing.

I was 100% positive sure was the snake. Learn something everyday

My theory is that Orkey is a combination of Trinimac and Malacath. I also have a side theory, that Arkay is an Imperial interpretation of Trinimac. I came up with these separately, but I think they both work well together.

I know it's been a while since a build was made, but what about a Falmer Slayer build pls?

Atmoran master race represent. Where muh Nord brothers at?

@crazychickSHENA

2 жыл бұрын

NORDs rule 😎

Where can I get the preset or the sliders of the character in the thumbnail?

Who is physically strongest in The Elder Scrolls; Orcs, Redguards, Nords?

@benbittinger9789

2 жыл бұрын

My interpretation is that they all are equal in term of muscle, but they have different dispositions towards fighting styles. Between the three, the Orcs are the boldest, the Redguards are the most dexterous, and the Nords are the most headstrong.

@smuggrog9821

2 жыл бұрын

Redgaurds are more known for thier skill, speed and endurance then thier physically strength. So its a toss up between Orcs and Nords, imo I would say Orcs are physically stronger then Nords though, due to the average Orc having a more hardcore lifestyle up in thier strongholds then your average Nord living in a village and thier was a book in Morrowind that stated that Orc corpses are sought after by necromancers for thier strength, and I remember at least two occasions in game where someone mentioned that a Orc had physically ripped someone apart with thier bare hands.

@noahtylerpritchett2682

2 жыл бұрын

I always thought it depends on the individual in this case.

Any chance of getting a new Skyrim build using all the new mods just released with the anniversary edition??

And the nord are right, folks, Alduin is the time god, not that black dragon. That's why the secret working title of Skyrim was "Revenge of the Lusty Argonian Maid".

It is kinda interesting how the imperialisation of the Nords kind mirrors the christianization of Scandinavia between the 8th and the 12th centuries.

Hey guys, what is Doomcrag from ESO? Is it another tower? It has it's own stone. And if it is, does that mean that there could be other towers on Nirn on different continents, like the one in yasuda, maybe in akavir? Or admora?

So are the events of Skyrim the other side of the “future” Alduiin was first thrown into in the first age?(or whenever he was first sent forward by the elder scrolls)

You know I find it interesting that parthurnaax refers to his inborn nature as evil dragons are the children of akatosh and some could say shards of the aka oversoul but if a dragons nature is evil wouldnt that imply they get this exact nature from there own father

@cherrycola4476

2 жыл бұрын

That's an interesting way to see it. I always looked at it as him saying Dragons wanting to dominate equals being evil.

@cherrycola4476

2 жыл бұрын

Then again wasn't it akotosh who sent the Dragonborn?

@wessmoore7894

2 жыл бұрын

@@cherrycola4476 Depends on whether you believe the theory that the Dragonborn is a Shezzarine or not I suppose.

Are you going to continue the series?

what lighting mod are you using?

The Nord's concept of myth and reality remind me of pataphysics from the SCP wiki.

favorite youtube channel.

So do the nords think that Alduin commanded the eleven army? And why does Alcuin call himself first born of akatosh if akatosh was created after him?

@benbittinger9789

2 жыл бұрын

Same reason that Jesus is the son of God when both existed before time itself, the roles that they play. Time's end must be born from it's progression.

@TheWunderWaffelShow

2 жыл бұрын

Akatosh was created via Dragon Break, meaning Auri-El is always was the dragon god of time

@Super50ldier

Жыл бұрын

@@TheWunderWaffelShow Auri-El is the Elven version of the Time God Aka, the original Dragon God of Time just like how Akatosh is the Imperial version of Aka and Alduin is the Nordic version of Aka.

@Super50ldier

Жыл бұрын

@@benbittinger9789 Exactly.

Fudge muppet graphics modlist when

Damn, I need that waves mod for LE

I would love to play a elder scrolls game that take place during the time of ysgramor. Being one of the 500 companions that went back with ysgramor.

So since you can go to sovngarde does that means the Nords are right and that their perspective of Shor is correct, and the perspective of the elves (i.e Lorkhan) is incorrect?

Isn’t there a whale bone bridge in Sovngarde? So does the whale totem represent Shor/Lorkhan?

@Alizudo

2 жыл бұрын

Shor is the fox, because he's quick and clever. Tsun, the man standing in front of the whale bridge, is the whale.

@Super50ldier

Жыл бұрын

@@Alizudo No, Tsun is the Bear.

How do you manage to make the exact video I was looking for not two days ago

It makes sense that the telling of Nordic religion is based on song. I mean when on a long march off to war, one of the only things Nord warriors can do to pass the time is to sing songs they know and have heard. Kinda like how much of Greek mythology is told through poems and hymns rather than linear storytelling. Also the whole cyclic world ends in fire -> world starts anew is definitely a reference to Ragnarok.

Is this the same Scott from the last video? Do y'all have two Scotts??

Do you think Lyris is in Sovigngard somewhere

Doesn’t Akatosh choose the dragonborns? That means Alduin chooses people and bestows them the power to suck up dragon souls and destroy himself… I’ll never understand the lore.

@benbittinger9789

2 жыл бұрын

The oversoul of AKA is making a decision. If Alduin wins, then he decides to end the Kalpa right then. If the Dovahkiin wins, then he decides to wait on it longer.

What are those animals on Claws on doors? In elder scrolls Nordic ruins.

15:59 Interesting that Shor could be seen as a trickster god, much like Odin in real life Norse mythology