The real mystery is how the hell did they get the Eye of Magnus through the door?

@Noxfaeles

5 жыл бұрын

They put it in their inventory and took it out in that room.

@mondainicorradi

5 жыл бұрын

easy... using pokeballs

@pearsemolloy9656

5 жыл бұрын

Magic?

@jackpitard

5 жыл бұрын

They yeeted it through the ceiling

@andrewpandrew7786

5 жыл бұрын

Magic n shit

Another plothole is how Delphine got Jurgen Windcaller horn without the whirlwind sprint shout

@TROOPERfarcry

4 жыл бұрын

Couldn't that just be done with two people?

@warovader6548

4 жыл бұрын

i did it just by sprinting during my first ever run :D

@DoctorWortspieler

4 жыл бұрын

She took the back way.

@legendary_tortoiseo5553

4 жыл бұрын

She just placed rocks or whatever on the pressure plates

@overlord2870

4 жыл бұрын

Oh shi- YEAH! Well.. she COULD have had help, but there doesn’t seem to be anyone that is in assistance with her, besides Esbern, and he’s hidden away, so.. yeah, I call plothole.

Personally, i like the theory that *that* batch of Honningbrew mead tasted _so bad_ that the guard _thought_ he was being poisoned.

@user-tp5yb4hr4w

2 жыл бұрын

the funny thing is this little slip up could be fixed by a little modification, like having the player actually fill up a barrel of the poisoned mead and carrying it to the other building and setting it in place, and then the player sits down just to watch the guards walk through the door for the taste testing. and done, just like there was no mistake at all.

@user-tp5yb4hr4w

2 жыл бұрын

@Brandon Quist i guess at that point the player can leave the mission for a while after he dumped the stuff and walk in and you can immersivity assume that the guy got the sample himself when you weren't looking, then the narrative makes sense, sort of.

@isaacramos1942

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-tp5yb4hr4w lol while thats a smart way to think, thats just you pretending it took longer.

@user-tp5yb4hr4w

2 жыл бұрын

@@isaacramos1942 so what i was talking about with this idea was adding in a modification through mod magic to fix this little questionable quest design. there are plenty of mods that help fix little issues in this game all the time.

@prod.royalsg1630

2 жыл бұрын

The way you italicized those words to show emphasis makes me irrationally angry.

Solution to Brand-Shei: He isn't the last living member of Clan Telvanni, he's the last person in line to become the leader of the clan. Similarly to Clan Arthur of Scotland in the real world (the last chief died without an heir, leaving the clan leaderless for two centuries), the clan continues to exist. Lynden Telvanni's diary is, in short, the opinion of Lynden Telvanni (I.E. what HE thinks is going on), and the moment you permit the possibility that Lynden is only saying what he knows and believes, then doesn't necessarily contradict anything Neloth says.

@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts

4 жыл бұрын

So he considered only his line worthy to inherit, but other clan members continue to exist? That seems reasonable.

@orangesilver8

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, something like this. There's a political entity House Telvanni. And then there's the original leading noble family of that house that it's named after. Brand-Shei is the last heir of that noble family. Political entity is still around, noble family is gone.

@JezielProdigalSon

3 жыл бұрын

Telvanni leadership isnt based in lineage though. In Morrowind you either get all the magisters to agree to make you the leader, or you kill the ones who oppose you.

@lmxltkamcdad

3 жыл бұрын

Telvanni isn't a clan that's filled with just members of a single family. It's one of the Houses where anyone can join from whole families to lone individuals to even non-dunmers as long as they prove themselves. Telvanni is also a special one where you're allowed to kill other members to rise through the ranks and the only way to be their Archmagister in-game is to kill the current one. I guess a better explanation to this is someone at Bethesda screwed up with the journal. The father's last name is TENvanni, so he was probably meant to be talking about his own clan or family Tenvanni being wiped out, not the whole House Telvanni.

@Alexmustdie-zy6kz

2 жыл бұрын

@@orangesilver8 That’s not how the great houses work there are multiple Telvanani Councilers in morrowind play the game

I like to think the Brand-Shei plot hole isn't really a plot hole at all, rather it's a statement on the sheer carnage Morrowind endured in such a short amount of time, it's possible Brand-Shei's parents thought their great house was wiped out when they fled, which isn't a big leap when you look at what was going on at the time, it kinda adds to the tragedy that if his parents just stayed in Morrowind and rode out the storm, they wouldn't have been killed in a literal storm while fleeing to Skyrim.

@Matt-md5yt

5 жыл бұрын

Or from a Bad House?

@blindtreeman8052

5 жыл бұрын

That or neloth is just deluded and in denial.

@DelinquentChibi

5 жыл бұрын

@@blindtreeman8052 I mean, Neloth was around to see Dagoth Ur defeated by the Nerevarine... he's REALLY old. Probably has to get dementia at some point.

@nathanmorrison6590

5 жыл бұрын

I think Brand-shei is the heir to the Telvanni Family - not the heir to House Telvanni as a political faction.

@DelinquentChibi

5 жыл бұрын

@@Rip.van.winkle4 No, I'm thinking of Neloth. In Morrowind, if you join Telvanni then he becomes your patron. Though I am curious what happened to Divayth Fir.

An easy explanation for Sybille Stentor's lack of ageing bothering anyone is a quote from Savos Aren, Arch Mage of The College of Winterhold. "What you learn here will last you a lifetime - several, if you're talented." ―Savos Aren This shows that magic can be used to extend one's life, giving Stentor an excuse for being so young.

@wolves600

4 жыл бұрын

yep oldest human ever that we know of was 274 and he wasn't dead yet

@thescoundrel793

4 жыл бұрын

Also, don’t elves have a naturally longer life span?

@Zoper1409

4 жыл бұрын

@@thescoundrel793 Sybille Stentor isn't an elf, she's a Breton. Longest of the human lives but not as long as elves.

@wolves600

4 жыл бұрын

@@Zoper1409 Actualy bretons have similar or shorter lifespans than the other humans not longer

@Zoper1409

4 жыл бұрын

@@wolves600 My mistake, I just assumed they inherited their lifespan along with their magical intuition from their Mer side.

i always figured serana’s dwarven comment was more of a, “it’s weird to see such big, advanced cities be so empty” type comment- like she knew there were no more dwarves, but it didn’t strike her as “real” until seeing it with her own eyes, if that makes sense?

@KujiraFEl

Жыл бұрын

i think she didn't give a fuck about dwemers and she doesn't know who they are she knows of them just by rumors maybe

@lifotheparty6195

Жыл бұрын

@@KujiraFEl this is something a lot of fans see as plot holes in several franchises that aren’t exactly plot holes. How much do you or I know about every missing ancient civilization? It’s not that weird that a character doesn’t know things that are important to us as the player.

@KujiraFEl

Жыл бұрын

@@lifotheparty6195 this is exactly the same thing i said

@ameisweirdx

Жыл бұрын

Yea, it could also be a combination of the shock of really seeing it along with the shock that they still haven't come back. The dwarves are incredibly intelligent, if they wanted to find a way back to mundus its shocking that they havent yet.

Vampires don't age, and I always thought it was kind of an open secret that Sybille Stentor was a vampire, not really surprising that nobody is phased by it imo

@MistaOppritunity

Жыл бұрын

Seems pretty easy to explain in a world with magic. When you get to the college, Savos Aren says, "What you learn here will last a lifetime. Several if you are talented." Expanded lifespans are not uncommon for magical users, and Sybil is widely renowned for being an accomplished wizard. It seems reasonable that they just believed she artificially extended her life.

@banegas0411

Жыл бұрын

@@MistaOppritunity the guards or certain characters mention Sybille doing horrible things to the prisoners the cook talks about how he never sees her eat

@MistaOppritunity

Жыл бұрын

@@banegas0411 This is true, however these are people in or close to the royal court who know to keep their god damn mouth shut. It is believable that anyone who hasn't noticed it would believe she has artificially extended her life with magic.

@ThreadBareHope1234

2 ай бұрын

Same. She has the glowing eyes, and from the way the executioner talks about her, it sounds like he knows and is just being vague.

@Passageofsky

Ай бұрын

You can become a vampire at an older age

1:19 When the realistic skin mod isn't working

@Rookstar0239

4 жыл бұрын

Thank YOU!!! Haha, I didn't think anyone else noticed when this 1st video dropped

@cannellaorso4171

4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha hahaha omg

@arthurjohnson7473

4 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who noticed the Headless Guardsman.

@sinistersilence489

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao thanks, I didn't even see that x

@obijuanquenobi1911

4 жыл бұрын

I know it’s the mod but i’m gonna pretend that this was a bethesda thing

“Ancano kills countless students and teacher.” Ancano: **kills two people**

@TheEpicNate315

5 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Mattson I’m bad at counting

@elfdrow6679

5 жыл бұрын

I'm with Nate in this one. since Skyrim it's pretty much a representation of a bigger population. when Ancano release the magical anomalies into winterhold. in theory the casualties of the attack on winterhold are going to be high. I know it sounds like a pretext.. but that is my honest feeling on how Bethesda is going to manage the story going forward ;)

@sly4164

5 жыл бұрын

elfdrow But he said specifically teachers and students

@sly4164

5 жыл бұрын

TheEpicNate315 Lol it’s good, I just found that kinda funny

@elfdrow6679

5 жыл бұрын

@@sly4164 umm you do have a point. sorry Nate he won by TKO XD

Theory: Serana didn't explore dwemer cities, and since she was isolated, she didnt have the chance to hear about the strange event

@jaydencopperthite1126

4 жыл бұрын

Yagrum Bagarn (Morrowind) he is the last known dremer to be seen in morrowind which takes place in the 3rd era

@jonathanwells223

4 жыл бұрын

The Dwemer were dead and gone well before Serana was even born. It’s a stupid plot hole for a tacked on story arc.

@tackogronday

4 жыл бұрын

You speak so definitively for a group of writers that can't even keep their complexity in check. Good on you for knowing better than creators who love leaving us PUZZLES to figure out.

@holczy0

4 жыл бұрын

@@tackogronday What

@jasdanvm3845

4 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanwells223 No, you are wrong, we don't know how old was Serana when she went to sleep, she probably was already hundreds of years old before her endless slumber begun.

Sybille was born on a leap year BAM THEORY OVER!

@spoot9947

3 жыл бұрын

february 29th specifically

It is possible that Brand Shei's father thought the Telvani were all dead.

@SirZeu

4 жыл бұрын

or that they were all dead and that a distant cousin or something took over once the crisis was over. most people in those morrowind family are added into it not born into it.

@BP9000

4 жыл бұрын

Pretty much all of these make sense in some way

@Sheuto

4 жыл бұрын

Another possibility is some split in the family at some point where both families considered themselves to be the "true" one.

@McStick7

4 жыл бұрын

It is 400 years later

@kidthorazine

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah he could have just not known about Neoloth, because if you get to the end of Neoloths questline it pretty heavilly implies that Neoloth is one of the last Telvani and has to rebuild.

M'aiq has many plot holes, none are easily seen by most.

@redwind5150

5 жыл бұрын

The biggest pot holes are found in dawnguard when those two dragons surface from the frozen lake. Oh you said plot holes my bad.

@reverandswanson6352

5 жыл бұрын

I see you and nazeem on every video

@AlternateInfinite

5 жыл бұрын

@@reverandswanson6352 M'aiq is essential and Nazeem is novelty, so..

@breakfestbob579

5 жыл бұрын

Get outta here M'aiq lol

@TheHighPhobia

5 жыл бұрын

I don't care if M'aiq has a million plot holes. I'm always happy when I cross paths with this lovely individual. I wish I could make him a follower.

Plot hole fixed: the official quote says that serana went to sleep in the second era before the septim dynasty. is should be taken into account that she lived long before that and in isolation. this could explain the fact that she was surprised not to find the dwemer. So basically, she knew of the dwemer's existence but not the fact they had disappeared. I do not know the exact date but it could have been that the disappearance if the Dwemer was not revealed to the rest of the world until after she went to sleep.

@nick0875

3 жыл бұрын

But if we go by the timeline of the First and Second Eras there are a few thousand years between the disappearance of the Dwemer at the Battle of Red Mountain in the year 700 of the First Era and the beginning of the Second Era. The First Era lasts almost 3000 years, ending with the fall of the Reman Empire. That is a long period of time for this secret to have been kept from the rest of the world, especially since Dwemer ruins are so common in Morrowind and Skyrim.

@JJ_-fp9sj

3 жыл бұрын

Or harkon just didn't bother to tell his isolated daughter

@user-tp5yb4hr4w

2 жыл бұрын

i think it's easier to explain this detail through the one who created the prophecy was a snow elf who became a vampire during a point in time when the snow elf's were still within the landscape before the dwemer took them in. so i don't think the 2nd era makes much sense in this case, the writer gave some conflicting information that suggests theory rather than truth. to get to the heart of the story, you have to go back to the beginning.

@justfrankjustdank2538

2 жыл бұрын

i was thinking it might be just this lol

@evanabney3659

2 жыл бұрын

@@JJ_-fp9sj yeah this seems like a likely explanation to me, even when still awake Serana was sequestered in a remote castle that likely didn't get a lot of visitors. It doesn't seem at all implausible that the disappearance of the Dwemer simply didn't come up.

I noticed the Honningbrew plot hole myself, but my own head canon is that the mead in the cask on the counter was simply tainted by the skeevers. You arrive too late to poison that particular batch before it was dispensed from the vat, but it was toxic anyway. Sabjorn was too late himself in dealing with the problem and his mead was already dirty.

@KarmasAB123

Жыл бұрын

But is that's the case, Mallus still set you up with a plan that doesn't work and just lucked out.

@hollyhartwick3832

Жыл бұрын

@@KarmasAB123 - That's entirely plausible. Mallus doesn't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed and Mavis is halfway across the province. It might have been the best plan they could cook up, but it's quite likely it didn't quite work as intended and you simply back into a lucky break so that it looks like it did.

"What you learn here will last you a lifetime. Several, if you're talented." -Savos Aren, Archmage of Winterhold He's pretty much saying outright that powerful wizards have access to magic that slows down their aging dramatically. It would be really easy for Sybille to claim that's what she's using to appear younger than her true age. Not to mention that Sybille's nature might be somewhat of an open secret in the Court itself at least, but she's tolerated anyways due to her long history with the rulers and her powerful magical skills, just as long as she can keep her thirst to those nobody will miss.

@astuteanansi4935

5 жыл бұрын

In regards to the Psijics, maybe their plan went beyond just trying to save Tamriel. A personal theory is that they deliberately let the events play out the way they did, perhaps to drive home some sort of warning for the College that they need to be more careful with the divine artifacts they unearth, or perhaps even to deliberately mix up the hierarchy of the College and get the Dragonborn in power for reasons known only to themselves. Basically the Psijics are illuminati confirmed

@eddmario

4 жыл бұрын

Hell, if you have Dawnguard installed she gets the appearance changes vampires got as part of the DLC.

@tackogronday

4 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't consider the Auger to be "alive" in the same sense, kind of like how some ghosts are completely sentient and aware. I think theres more to that implication than just extending the life of a physical body.

Great House Telvanni is likely a different entity from the mainline Telvanni family. Seeing as Neloth isn’t assigned a last name, and Brelyna is a Maryon, what we can assume is that the political entity of Great House Telvanni; that being a collection of loosely related mage clans, continues. Meanwhile, Brand-Shei could be the last able to legitimately bear the last name Telvanni.

@SevCaswell

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah exactly, in the main quest of Morrowind it is possible to join House Telvanni but i don't think any members of the house council are actual members of the family Telvanni.

@LesBergamotes

5 жыл бұрын

I had the same thought. I'd have to read the journal again to be sure. And maybe play Morrowind again. :)

@Willow.Delilah

5 жыл бұрын

It could also be the case that the person writing in the journal believes him to be the final heir, and is just an unreliable narrator. But I do like that distinction as well. Kind of like how house Hlalu was disbanded, but there's still a Dunmer family in Windhelm with that last name.

@Tatwinus

5 жыл бұрын

The houses are based on clans and tribes. That means that while kinship is a key point of the great houses it is not impossible to join one. Telvanni especially are liars, slavers and backstabbers so in the event of a catastrophe it is not unlikely that they turn on eachother. In Oblivion theres even a rumor that house Telvanni is trying to push back the invaders but it is not going well. As for Neloth he kidnapped, stole, lied and had others assassinated even as far back as Morrowind so his ego is probably telling him he is the greatest person to ever walk the earth and that he lies to make others believe him.

@Mr.Agateophile.

5 жыл бұрын

Additionally, when Neloth makes you a member of house Telvanni in the dragonborn DLC he specifically says that doesn't mean much anymore but will again in a few years. Implying house Telvanni is at least massively diminished.

The psyijic order didn’t want to pay to teleport, and were looking for a wayshrine the whole time

@SergeantPlasma.

3 жыл бұрын

To skyrim? 😂

@SergeantPlasma.

3 жыл бұрын

That'd cost 30 crowns

@samplexample

Жыл бұрын

Cringe

In the Eye of Magnus storyline, the Order makes it clear they avoid getting involved in things; the first guy who contacts you says that some in his Order believe even the warning is too far. It's not until AFTER a crisis happens that the rest of the Order is convinced to help.

@spadeworksproduction

Жыл бұрын

Was I about to comment this also,

@whyme_ee1561

Жыл бұрын

@@spadeworksproduction great minds think alike i was about to type that

@epokele983

Жыл бұрын

I'd also say that since they knew what was going to happen, there's also a chance they couldn't get involved. Sort of that trope of "you know what happens in the future, but if you change the past you'll break everything". Thus they didn't want to chance messing with the future by getting involved too soon. Just speculating, so idk.

@konahrikb1578

Жыл бұрын

Also, maybe they wanted to get involved sooner, but the Eye was too powerful in its current state to let them do anything. One of the Psijics had to physically travel to the College because just being close to it was blocking their ability to appear to the player, until they made their way to Mzulft.

I found a weird plot-hole which is to do with the main quest, the dragonborn is supposed to defeat dragons and save skyrim, however is unable to do this because he has about 300 mods installed and crashes at the start of his quest

@Ecl1p5e-MM8BDM

5 жыл бұрын

He crashes so early that he doesn't even let Ralof start his dialogue on the cart.

@Foynes1

5 жыл бұрын

Mortal Salvez sad to say that is accurate

@thomasjenkins7506

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ecl1p5e-MM8BDM my ralof talks on the cart, but the cart is god knows where, flipping around indiscriminately.

@lunararmy1624

4 жыл бұрын

@@thomasjenkins7506 surprising that's the one plothole in this thread not caused by mods

@crashburndicoot6940

4 жыл бұрын

Then the dragonborn is an idiot that is wasting his parents electricity bill 😂😂😂

1:20 headless naked floating guard, you have too many mods insulted (edit:installed) don’t you

@itz_yhk6088

5 жыл бұрын

Also at 4:20 lmao

@spencer4685

5 жыл бұрын

Beat me to it 😢

@moltreszapdosandarticuno5155

5 жыл бұрын

Hahahahaha

@SnapplyPie

5 жыл бұрын

M'aiq likes this one

@Qortalk

5 жыл бұрын

U don hav to main englishes insulted dew u?

Hey Nate, I don't know if you noticed this, but at approximately 1:15 and 4:21, into this video, there is a headless bikini clad Mjoll The Lioness hovering past, in the background.

@tubb1

Жыл бұрын

that's hilarious

@sarahinthesoil

Жыл бұрын

Hahahajhahaha yes

@tawtofanowl2324

Жыл бұрын

Glad Im not the only one who saw that

@kaptain_kilt8786

Жыл бұрын

I was about to say it

@theYoutubeHandle

Жыл бұрын

lmao. Creepy taste, nate. But you do you!

I think Serana is more surprised that even after thousands of years the Dwarves are still gone. She probably figured they'd be back

M'aiq is a giant plot hole, how does M'aiq live for thousands of years? Is M'aiq a god?

@randomcrits950

5 жыл бұрын

M'aiq The Liar is a god

@AlphaLykkan

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe he is a god

@lazarusofdeath3123

5 жыл бұрын

He’s a ghoul Khajiit

@thomasholmes4669

5 жыл бұрын

It's because of all the callipers I bet

@strange1103

5 жыл бұрын

M'aiq is secretly lorkhan in disguise, tricking mortals into believing false facts.

when i first did that Honningbrew thieves guild quest i had that same thought and when Mallus was like "great job bro you're awesome" or whatever i literally said out loud "dude that's not what i poisoned, Sabjorn's mead is just that shit."

@Nightstick24

4 жыл бұрын

Right? I was wondering why you even needed to bother poisoning the mead in the first place if it's so shit that the guards think they've been poisoned when it's just the normal old mead. If you're being beaten back by mead like that, I feel true and boundless sorrow for the people of Skyrim and their poor tastebuds.

@noodlebrains2689

3 жыл бұрын

In my mind it's not a plot hole and it's just a touch of irony; you poison the mead being produced, but unknown the the Blackbriar family this made no difference because the increasingly poor hygiene standards at the other meadery already caused the Honningbrew mead to be undrinkable. The place is full of rats after all

I always assumed Serana was asleep during the Dragon War cause Dunehvar went to the Soul Cairn during that time to find help/knowledge and since was trapped guarding Valerica. Serana was put to sleep before her mother went to the Cairn.

@SadisticSenpai61

3 жыл бұрын

We don't know what Dunehvar was doing that entire time. I doubt he was guarding Valerica the entire time either. Plus, it seems fairly reasonable that time would pass differently in the Soul Cairn than in Mundus. There's also the fact that the ability to distinguish how long you've been there is going to be rather difficult as there's no real day or night cycle.

@morrigankasa570

3 жыл бұрын

@@SadisticSenpai61 True, time flows different in Oblivion Realms. But still seems to indicate he was there since the First Era/Dragon War.

@VERGILGASM

2 жыл бұрын

It's Durnehviir. Just saying.

Have to agree with Dampened Spirits. Every time I do that quest my immediate thought is why not poison the barrel right there and thus keep the perfectly good vat for later sales...

@quezwatkins4897

Жыл бұрын

I think the guys just a retard and accidentally poisoned his own mead anyway

Witcher 3: solve the murder quest by asking questions Skyrim: solve the murder quest by ignoring wuunferth's self incriminating lie

Do the people of Falkreath not notice the random people emerging from the forest, in dark armor, or do they just not care?

@docartemis2878

5 жыл бұрын

If you see several people in dark clothes sneaking in and out of the woods at night, and suspect them of being violent types, are you gonna take that to your corrupt shit bird of a Jarl, or quietly try and keep to yourself and hope you don’t draw their ire?

@narutotard100

5 жыл бұрын

Simple really, the provinces are scaled down. Skyrim is a lot bigger than the game would have you believe. The brotherhood is much further away from falkreath than you'd think

@StacieMMeier

5 жыл бұрын

The Dark Botherhood base is known, I would guess they do know and noticed. Admit it though, would you be one who confronts them over it? And you do know that some guards do know of Dark Botherhood in Skyrim, as does Thieves Guild, so someone probably getting a payout.

@richhartnell6233

5 жыл бұрын

I like to imagine they don’t give a shit and it became like an annoying inside joke among the residents.

@joshuakim5240

5 жыл бұрын

I like to imagine that any attempts resulted in people sent dying, so the locals kind of just stopped trying since the DB isn't outright hostile to them.

For me the Psijic order always made sense. The member that interacts with you mentions that his order does not usually interfere directly. He also mentioned constantly that the world was not ready for the eye. So once Ancano acted, that proved the psijics correct. However they were unable to take the eye while Ancano was using it. Either his use of the eye made it impossible, or that was still counted as directly interfering. Or perhaps removing it while it was being used would be too dangerous. Once you defeat Ancano, the Psijics can safely remove the eye within the bound of their orders law. To make a long story short, the Psijics weren’t allowed to act under their orders laws until Ancano proved the eye would be abused, and then was stopped so the order could safely take the eye away. I mean that’s how I naturally justified it. Not saying that’s how it was written to be. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@prod.royalsg1630

2 жыл бұрын

Horrible explanation. Reminds me of the type of cope Christians use to justify their God allowing people to suffer.

@codex_jinora

2 жыл бұрын

It's always how I justified it as well. I just considered the monks an order that stuck way too close to their own rulebook (almost like modern day public servants), leading to them not being able to stop a serious evil from happening. They're pathetic, but it at least explains why they did what they did.

@VotEtoPizdets

2 жыл бұрын

I like your theory because it justifies my hated for the Thalmor. That, and it makes sense, and when tested by Occams Razor, it holds water.

@evanabney3659

2 жыл бұрын

@@prod.royalsg1630 Except that here, nobody's claiming that the Psijics are all-knowing, all-powerful, and completely benevolent. I find those claims about a god to be absurd... but about an order of mages (known for stubbornness and bigheadedness) with strict bureaucracy and millennia-old internal policies? Makes perfect sense to me.

@theraven.4

2 жыл бұрын

@@evanabney3659 I mean to be fair also people are complaining about the Psijic Order not taking the Eye soon enough. But, technically they weren't obligated to help anyway. The player would have been completely caught off guard and had very little information when attempting to deal with aftermath though. Would have been even more trouble too. Of course another question rings in my mind. Why was Acrano a Advisor to begin with? Everyone is highly suspicious of him. A rouge student/instructor would have made more sense to be honest.

I think that Serana's conflicting informations might actually be related to how Dragon Breaks work. She could very well have seen the Dwemer walking around before her "bedtime", but due to _Weird Time Fuckery™_ they've been vanished from time, even retroactively. Maybe this is one of those instances where the "mistakes" where actually intentional, conscious choices?

The Psijic order guy did say that other members thought him communicating with the dragonborn was an offense. It could have been internal affairs and Ancano forced them to act. That's the best explanation I can think of.

@jonjdonnelly

3 жыл бұрын

They maybe wanted Ancano to weaken or active it for them

@AdonisGaming93

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah seems more like the psijics told their new intern not to mess eith the events, but the new guy was like bruh but thats wrong. And at the end they were like alright fine but since they know about us now we gotta take the orb.

@SadisticSenpai61

3 жыл бұрын

Plus, it would be strange for the College of Winterhold not to have some kind of magical defenses to keep other magical orders from coming and going as they please. They're suspicious of their fellow members trying to steal their research. Why wouldn't they be even more suspicious of outside magical orders trying to do the same? I find it hard to believe that there wouldn't be *any* kind of magical wards around the College to prevent outsiders just popping in and taking whatever they please.

@jodiejackson3089

3 жыл бұрын

It always seemed to me that they couldn't take the sphere because they were essentially dealing with a time paradox ... he said "events have been set in motion ... but there may be a way to stop it" .... it's almost like it had to happen all the way up to ancano (my personal favourite theory is that this is what causes the great collapse) and their ability to change/help matters was limited to the small cryptic hints they gave out ...

My favourite plot hole is how i'm the hero everyone has heard off when lydia did all the heavy lifting.

@JXEditor

5 жыл бұрын

She is sworn to carry your burdens.

@thassalantekreskel5742

5 жыл бұрын

Heavy lifting? Do you refer to the tons of loot she's hauled around at the dragonborn's behest, or the nearly as voluminous count of arrows in the back she's still got sticking in her because she just won't stay out of the line of fire? I swear, every other shot, she deliberately dives in the way...

@DammedMan.

5 жыл бұрын

She is also the best bouncer ever no one gets in the door.

@Canwehitsubscriberswitho-sr1id

5 жыл бұрын

Or out the door

@rokkfel4999

5 жыл бұрын

Litterally i mean those 8 sets of daedric armour are heavy

Hey, Nate. Here's an idea for the Psijic order. They're like the Jedi Order. They are passive and inactive to a hostile situation until they absolutely NEED to intervene.

I hadn’t realized that they literally wrote the same backstory for two guys in the same town, Brand-Shei and Rune are both guys who were found as a baby being the lone survivor of a massive shipwreck and were adopted by those who found them and were given odd names and who both wish desperately to learn about their parents and family. I wonder if Riften has a local support group for these very specific kinds of guys

@Nerazmus

2 жыл бұрын

well, Riften has the orphanage of Skyrim... so there is that.

With serana, she also makes comments about the draugr and remembering them alive.

@azearaazymoto461

4 жыл бұрын

Well that breaks the fucking game.

@turkepic3637

4 жыл бұрын

@@azearaazymoto461 why

@aquilaofdeath7660

4 жыл бұрын

@@turkepic3637 The Draugr were from the time when Dragons ruled the world. I believe that the ones that know shouts that you fight are supposed to be the Nords that rose up against the dragons and used the shouts to fight them and Alduin. This means that they probably are far older than before. Though this could be explained as serana pulling your leg and all but i doubt that

@wolves600

4 жыл бұрын

@@aquilaofdeath7660 well she is surprised an empire based out of cyrodil existed. One existed in 1e 243 so its 100 percent possible she was alive during the dragon war

@wolves600

4 жыл бұрын

@@aquilaofdeath7660 g

10 Tiny Details You might’ve missed: in case you didn’t know, if you kill a Dragon with Esbern around, he’ll comment on you taking the dragons soul

Serana could've been sleeping since before the battle of the red mountain, had she the odd and quite charming quirk of adressing dark elves as "chimer"

@beardiemom

Жыл бұрын

That in itself would be a plothole, though, because I don't recall her ever being surprised that the chimer, who were known for their golden skin, now bear ashen skin and bloodred eyes. She might have been alive before the chimer became the dunmer, but she must be aware of the change the chimer went through, otherwise she would not be able to identify a dunmer as a chimer.

@big_slurp4603

Жыл бұрын

Even if that were the case she wouldn't even recognise them as Chimer as they looked completely different to Dunmer

I always just took the whole poisoned mead debacle, as there being a hidden cut scene? Like in movies? So it never bothered me.

"How is that wizard still alive?" "Her grandmother was an elf"

@zekun4741

5 жыл бұрын

even worse than a vampire then

@EF-kk3vh

5 жыл бұрын

Shartin Mart tea

@IAmTheRealBill

5 жыл бұрын

I seem to recall someone commenting on her unusually high magical ability, even for a Breton. It may be they assume she is using magic and alchemy. The age of the Blades woman, can’t recall her name for the life of her right now, also seems young for the age of her stories. It seems she’d have had to have been pretty young when the blades were taken down several decades ago, but talks like she was a seasoned Blade by that time. Sure, she hasn’t been front and center of a Hold’s court but still struck me as a bit off.

@Katepuzzilein

5 жыл бұрын

@@IAmTheRealBill I hope I'm not misremembering, but I think one of the books you pick up in the thalmor embassy states that she's around fifty-something. But I'm not sure, been a long time since I last did that mission.

@thomasnorfolk2183

5 жыл бұрын

@@Katepuzzilein It states she's in her 50s. It says esbern is in his 70s yet he's running to Sky Haven Temple lol

On the whole Eye of Magnus thing, three words: preserving the timeline. Something further in the future they wanted to happen required the events in the quest line to occur, at least that's my rationalization.

@JohnZ117

5 жыл бұрын

My guess is a cut part of the quest that involves time-travel and you doing something in the past that needed doing to maintain continuity, which got swapped for the resolution we're stuck with.

@caseyzero

5 жыл бұрын

Before Ancano's power play, Quaranir says, "My presence here will be seen as an affront to some within the Order." At that point in the storyline, the Psijic Order didn't have a consensus that intervention was called for.

@overlorddante

5 жыл бұрын

They could also be observing the movements of the thalmor or other related events happening elsewhere. Had the order taken it right off the bat, they may have lost vital information about what the thalmor are planning overall.

@caseyzero

5 жыл бұрын

@@overlorddante "Psijic report; Thalmor Methodology; 4E202/02/12 (Turdas): Research at the College of Winterhold confirms that the Thalmor are less a political order and more a collection of power-mad rogues with no respect for the rule of law or the lives of what they deem 'lesser races'. This marks the twelfth such study, out of a total of twelve, to reach this conclusion, and causes wonderment and befuddlement in the minds of the authors regarding why, exactly, the Psijic Order's leadership can't simply accept that we are dealing with a pack of racist cave trolls with no guiding principles beyond their own personal betterment. See attached citations."

@DelinquentChibi

5 жыл бұрын

The cut College questline was apparently to have involved your discovery of the Eye causing the Great Collapse through some weird reality issues, and you would spend time undoing this and reversing the Great Collapse which was caused in the past by an event that would not happen till the future which became the present and it SUCKS that they never finished this and gave us this weird thing that can barely be called a quest line at all.

It mentioned several times during the eye of magnus and psyjic order quest that there is a split in the group. There are those who don't want to get involved with the rest of the world and those who want to help you. They might want to limit as much interaction with the outside world as possible but the unseen effects of the eye forced their hand.

The one with the honningbrew meadery is easy to explain if you went back through the Skever den It would make more sense that the mead served was the poisoned one instead of leaving through the front door of the mead distiller house

The mead was already poisoned, but Mallus wanted you to get rid of that Skeever lord Hamelyn 🤣

@thomasjenkins7506

4 жыл бұрын

i just left it as head cannon that the guy under the meadery was the one who actually poisoned the mead.

@whitewolf3051

4 жыл бұрын

Out of curiosity, can a person fail the thieves guild mead quest? If so, how can one fail the quest?

@tingispingis

4 жыл бұрын

@@whitewolf3051 No you can't. How could you possibly fail that quest? Maybe you were wondering if the related NPCs could be killed. I think they're all essential

@jonjdonnelly

3 жыл бұрын

I always assumed Mallus had tampered with the barrel the captain of the guard drinks from

I like how hate doesn't even mention the fact that there is a half naked headless woman floating around 1:20 and in 4:21

@Nightstick24

4 жыл бұрын

The real Biggest Plot Hole...

@Azaghal1988

4 жыл бұрын

i thought that was normal in skyrim ;)

@turnerd20

4 жыл бұрын

lol I missed that

@connorboyle2585

4 жыл бұрын

at some point you just get used to it ya know

@exitdoor8695

4 жыл бұрын

ikr

Imagine Brand Shei going to Solstheim and meeting Neloth who reveals his recently discovered heritage is a lie. Not only does that place Brand Shei back at square one, but also it would make him wonder even more who his parents were and why his father believed they were the last Telvanni.

For the poisoned mead, There's also Mallus suddenly being present when he wasn't there to kill the rats earlier. I assumed they just didn't bother explaining things. Mallus poisoned the keg. But if only the keg were poisoned, his boss, Sabjorn, would soon blame Mallus and be released from prision. However, later testing showed poison in the vats in a room only Sabjorn could enter, "proving" to the investigators that it was Sabjorn who was responsible for the poisoning of the guards. Therefor Mallus could go from temporarily in charge while it was being sorted out, to officially in charge for good.

The psijic monk mentions that there's some infighting going on, and that some will be angry he's even speaking to you. My guess is that internal politics are what kept the psijic order from being especially active in the quest

@farrex0

4 жыл бұрын

I know, I have not played that questline in eight years and still that was pretty clear for me. He made it pretty clear he was not even supposed to be talking to you several times, perhaps he then managed to persuade the rest of the order that they should keep the eye and that is why they later appear to collect it.

@MeadowBrook2000

4 жыл бұрын

Or maybe because they probably didn't like the greed of those from the college of winterhold and let them stole just to see everyone involved eventually dying except the dragonborn, they are pacifists and let those guys kill themselves without get their hands dirty

@kalsyphr5039

4 жыл бұрын

Keep in mind that during the first contact with the guy from the Psijic Order (in Saarthal) he mentions that the Dragonborn has _"set in motion a chain of events that cannot be stopped."_ Judging based on this dialogue, he seems to imply that there is a specific desired outcome to the whole ordeal with the Eye of Magnus and that the Psijics have already seen the multiple outcomes through some form of foresight into the future. One could speculate that Ancano had to die before things got REALLY out of hand (Ancano would have most likely continued to seek ultimate power if he were still alive), and the only way to remove him from history is to let him start unraveling the Eye in order to be slain by the Dragonborn. The Psijic guy also talks about how the Order will make judgement based on our actions, meaning that they are prepared for an alternate future in which the Dragonborn fails along the way (be it they die, commit selfish acts, join Ancano, etc.) So the whole thing regarding the Winterhold questline isn't that bad like people are complaining, but is more like the story is incomplete and a lot of details have been omitted which would have solidified the story.

@wu1ming9shi

4 жыл бұрын

@@kalsyphr5039 Yeah, really wish you could join Ancano or something by becoming thalmor as an high elf or something.

@Qbliviens

4 жыл бұрын

Yes but they could've just gone into Saartahl and take the thing out without having to interact with a single living human.

What's happening in the background at 1:20 ? Whoever was able to save that lady definitely had some mad restoration skills y'all.

@GatoSanDad

5 жыл бұрын

Restoration 1000

@anunexpectede5566

4 жыл бұрын

was looking for this comment lmao

My theory about why the psijics didn't take the artifact: Clearly they can see the future to at least some extent given that they warn you about events unfolding, so perhaps they recognized some level of causality that they needed to contact you in that moment so that the events surrounding the eye would play out in a specific way in order for the future to be set along the proper path.

The Eye of Magnus was under a sealing spell before the questline started, possible that the seal conceal the location or the nature of the Eye. Psjics might have some form of cryptic vision but not the whole clear overview of what will happen so they are also quite unsure of the future. They are not omniscent. They do not intervene so they let things unfold, with the exception of this one, this event might cause global catasthrope. They took the Eye because it became unstable and the college of winterhold cannot do anything to stop it so they took it away for the meantime. If it hadnt been unstable I think they wouldnt move it away. It feels like nuke about to explode. They cant just take the eye away from the start, it is a nordic artifact discovered by the college, it might cause complications and they might get suspected for hoarding magical artifacts. They have no rights to it, therefore they didnt make any move, also last time the snow elves coveted the eye things didnt went well for them. Hope this all answer your questions.

@jodiejackson3089

3 жыл бұрын

Late to the party I know but there is a theory that the eye of Magnus is what caused the great collapse, the psychic order know about it because it already happened but theybjad to wait until the right moment to interrupt the sequence of events and prevent total disaster without destroying the whole timeline ... the original quest line was speculated to have been much longer and reveal much more of this ...

@beauvsb5230

3 жыл бұрын

@@jodiejackson3089 From what I read and hear ingame, the great collapse was or is an after effect of the dwarves tampering with the heart of lorkhan also known as "The eruption of red mountain". All sources doesnt specify nor point any significance or link to the eye and Great collapse as the Night of Tears happen ages before it, all it talks about was Ysgrammor's backstory, simply put, it's been sleeping all this time.

@jodiejackson3089

3 жыл бұрын

@@beauvsb5230 I thought that all took place 100 years or more before the great collapse ... little bit "curse of king tut" isnt it??

@beauvsb5230

3 жыл бұрын

@@jodiejackson3089 Night of tears happened in the late Merethic while the Great collapse happened in the fourth Era (4E 122). To get a better grasp how long the gap between the 2 events heres a list of era. Dawn era Merethic era - Night of tears First era - 2920 years Second era - 896 years Third era - 433 years Fourth era - currently at 4E 201, Great Collpse 4E 122

@theraven.4

2 жыл бұрын

Late comment but ultimately the Psijic Order doesn't interfere directly unless if something gets really bad like world ending bad. If they told Savos Aren or anyone besides Acrano that they were taking the Eye of Magnus due to danger. They wouldn't have raised a fuss. The College of Winterhold had influence from the order prior and they are looked at in high regard. Considering how fast they showed up to take the orb I am assuming that they were waiting for justification (interfering directly is looked down on by members of the order) and testing to see if the world was ready for such of artifact. But, yes they are not omniscient. As for who sealed it probably some ancient Nordic mages considering the location.

The Sybille one is pretty simple to explain: the Jarls of Solitude have protected her. She’s obviously very important to the family and it would be highly unlikely that they wouldn’t have figured out she’s a vampire. They probably just pay off or threaten anyone who figures it out in order to keep her around

@battlesheep2552

4 жыл бұрын

Not like good vampires being tolerated is unheard of, we already know about the Count of Skingrad from Oblivion

@michaelmorton5698

4 жыл бұрын

@@battlesheep2552 Ah, yes...Count Janus Hassildor of Skingrad. He believes a thank you is in order.

@jonjdonnelly

3 жыл бұрын

Or people assume her magic is keeping her young

@Ellisepha

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I assumed it was something of an open secret, at least among the Jarl's (first Torrygg, then Elisif) inner circle. Over the years she became powerful, but she also aided the family, so as long as she stays in line and is of aide to the Jarl, she's welcome.

1:21 hey uh is that supposed to be there

@GatoSanDad

5 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂 I was listening to the video so I didn't even notice it. 😂😂😂

@Gartos_CZ

5 жыл бұрын

Ghosts do exist

@paulthe2mikolajdupontsrens586

5 жыл бұрын

Oh my Odin I went back and saw it the second time

@shrek6723

5 жыл бұрын

ah yes, the elusive decapitated, naked, floating guard. truly a beautiful specimen.

For Brand-Shei the only thing i can think of is that his father honestly thought that house telvanni was gone in the chaos and destruction of the red mountain, fleeing and dying not knowing he was wrong

Bethesda watching this: “write that down , write that down!”

For the Eye of Magnus fight, you have to use the Staff of Magnus on the Eye to disable it. I like to think that reduced the power of the Eye so the Psijic order could move it. But maybe I'm giving Bethesda's writers too much credit.

@C.Dickey

4 жыл бұрын

the college of winterhold managed to move it without the staff

@jonathanwells223

4 жыл бұрын

Anything more than acknowledging that the story somehow managed to stumble through the quality check is giving them too much credit

@joshuawright4198

4 жыл бұрын

@@C.Dickey not as far though

@ayeayemyint7808

4 жыл бұрын

@@C.Dickey i suppose there's a difference between removing the eye of magnus from this world than to simply relocating it somewhere close

@RyanSwiney

4 жыл бұрын

People forget that the Psijic Order also said that they cannot directly intervene in the events that you started, you must finish it, and only then will they help. That’s when they take the eye of magnus

The most egregious part of the college of winter hold questline is that you can't pickpocket those sweet psjjic monk robes.

@WasLilChrisnowbigish

5 жыл бұрын

Console commands and mods exist

@Jopeymessmusic

5 жыл бұрын

@@WasLilChrisnowbigish yeah I know I just wonder why things like that were left out of the base game y'know?

@williamrees4747

4 жыл бұрын

Personally think the college of winterhold story would have been better if you got to join the psijics in someway

@Jopeymessmusic

4 жыл бұрын

@@williamrees4747 agreed.

@viniciuspraseres3435

4 жыл бұрын

@@williamrees4747 but they only accept high elves, the only exception was one mage of the Tribunal of Morrowind, Sothacil I think

For the Eye of Magnus questline, I’m guessing Ancano was always watching the eye. Savos Aren somewhat trusts him. They wouldn’t be able to move the eye until that trust is broken, or Ancano dies.

Serana may have literally just never found out Dwemer are gone simply due to ignorance but still know about dark elves from just meeting them like the last time she may have entered dwemer ruins being before they poofed Edit: It's also confirmed due to there being a single dwemer in Morrowind not all Dwemer poofed

Next video idea: "5 things you may have missed in my '5 things you may have missed' videos." Put the 1:20 chick in as an honourable mention because this is a different kind of list.

1:18. Look in the background

@tackogronday

4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha omg didn't notice the headless t-pose, ty!

@the32bitguy

4 жыл бұрын

Too much moon sugar

@slavcity406

4 жыл бұрын

What? I don't see anything

@slavcity406

4 жыл бұрын

Oh nvm

@masterbaiter8467

3 жыл бұрын

Also at 4:20

I'd say that the order didn't take the eye because of the amount of factors associated with the dragonborn. With our eventual success against alduin, use of the elder scrolls, becoming the champion of many deadra.... They couldn't see which eventuality would happen because we were at the center of the happenings. There were probably points where having the eye at the college was fine or the use of the elder scrolls did something to the eye, or a god opened it.... We just so happened to head in the direction of destruction and again with our influence they could tell that we were not the ones to lead the college to watch the eye.... Maybe.

"in an ancient nord tomb" or just a regular random tomb back then

The fact that Jarl Ballin' never beat Ulfric in a dance off

@andreapiga9021

5 жыл бұрын

S W A G

@TheTinkili

5 жыл бұрын

Holler if u need me

@LordStencil

5 жыл бұрын

AROOOOOOOO

@LordStencil

5 жыл бұрын

Scorge haters gonna hate

@SaintTheNightstalker

5 жыл бұрын

Why is the doom slayer drinking coffee isn't he supposed to be getting ass fucked by hayden

"What you learn here can last you a life time-- several, if you're talented." -Savos Aren. Mages can drastically extend their life through magic. For example, Divayth Fyr is/was 4000 years old. That's impossible for a Dunmer, usually. High Elves can only live about 1000 years if they're lucky, and they're the longest living race on Tamriel. A powerful mage, only about 80-ish years old looking 30? Not that shocking. Nobody questioning it is probably influenced by the Nord's superstitions about magic.

With the Honningbrew Meade thing, I think that it's implied that you return through the tunnels rather than the front door. So it's more of an issue with story scripting than anything really.

About the poisoned mead: You know how NPCs can teleport when you go through doors? The owner teleported in and out of the mean boiling room, while pouring the poisoned mead in his bottles and carrying them to the building where the guards came. All in the span of the time it takes you to walk from one building to the other.

I just figured the mead was rancid due to the whole skeever problem.

@argella1300

5 жыл бұрын

Clear Sky Guardian I mean, it’s fermented honey beer, technically it’s already rancid lol

@ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy

5 жыл бұрын

Well, honey is bee vomit. Fermented vomit is still vomit.

@YourWaywardDestiny

5 жыл бұрын

I figured people at Bethesda weren't privy how alcohol is actually made and just figured big barrels would be good enough. To be fair, the nords might prefer their alcohol warmed, and this is a popular brewery with a tap room that rivals the bars at the major city inns, it could just be a dedicated vat on minimal heat dedicated to warming the mead for visitors rather than for the the brewing process.

@orcatwar9810

5 жыл бұрын

or it can just be a bad batch of meed

@shamoilbhinderwala2365

5 жыл бұрын

@Cú i'm thinking the mead keg was already poisoned but you were there to poison the rest so it would seem like the meadery was just being negligent with all of the mead

concerning the mead thing, i always just think to myself: well Maven didn't know me very well, so maybe she hired multiple people to poison the mead and i was just not the first to succeed."

@Janoha17

2 жыл бұрын

Mallus poisoned the cask, and had the Dragonborn poison the vat to cover his tracks!

It’s possible when they say we aren’t ready for this kind of power and would return when we are, they were testing us

Eh, maybe Brand-Shei's dad had delusions of grandeur and was like, "I'm about to die, so I'll give myself a promotion."

The one about Bran-Shei isn't necessarily a plot hole. The family could've still nearly fallen to ruin at some point and his father truly believing that all was lost could've fled to Skyrim thinking Bran was actually the last living heir but then instead of completely collapsing the family was somehow able to recover.

@weedle5221

3 жыл бұрын

I guess but telvanni doesnt even have heirs. Anyone can climb the ranks and become the head wizard of theyre powerful enough

@JezielProdigalSon

3 жыл бұрын

Neloth is a magister in Morrowind aswell, implying that there wasnt any moment between the third game and the fifth game, where House Telvanni fell into ruin.

For that last one: kind of obvious it's trying to imply there was an unstated passage of time between us poisoning the mead, and it being brought to the guards, not that it was already poisoned. Could they have shown it better by having him come to get the mead after we tampered with it, or him and the guards enter to taste from the source? Yes, but they cheaped out and just had there be an unseen, unstated passage of time.

@rottenhead8385

2 жыл бұрын

same with the solstheim thing, how did the cultists get there so fast?! pissed me off.

@beardiemom

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it would just have been nice to add a few more lines of dialogue after you go back to Sabjorn to collect your reward: Dovahkiin: "I have placed the poison in the skeever nests." Sabjorn: "Great job; just in time, too. Tomorrow I am holding a tasting for the captain of the guard, commander Caius. How about you join us?" [Objective: Return to honningbrew meadery to watch the plan unfold] Having to wait for a day for quest progression was a very common thing in Oblivion and I feel like a few quests in Skyrim would have benefitted from taking the passage of time into account.

Regarding the "plothole" to Sybille's secret: You can literally see that she's a vampire in vanilla Skyrim, her eyes are glowing orange, which you don't usually see in anything but vampires. While people might suspect that she is a vampire or otherwise artificially prolonging her life, as long as she is a benefit to the court, they will likely tolerate her quirks. There's a lot of positions where a vampire would likely not be tolerated, but as a powerful court mage supporting the Jarl of Solitute, she might be worth the trouble.

Yea actually about sybille there’s a dialogue in College of Winterhold saying “what u learn here will last u a lifetime, several if ur talented” meaning u can slow down the aging process using magic

Sybille Stentor is a vampire. If you have Dawnguard installed her eyes glow

@thomasjenkins7506

4 жыл бұрын

and she's been "influencing" the court for years.

@Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer

4 жыл бұрын

The fact that vampires started to be painfully obvious with the Dawnguard DLC is a plot hole in and of itself

@thomasjenkins7506

4 жыл бұрын

@@Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer yeah, that is a problem. it should've been that you can only notice the eyes if you are vampire yourself. i'm not a game programmer, so i don't know how hard that would be, but it doesn't seem too difficult to pull off.

@LoveFor298Yen

4 жыл бұрын

Thomas Jenkins it probably isn’t. They could have assigned vampirism the same effect of aura whisper but only for entities within unbroken fov and the effect would only apply to the eyes

@gilamobster5558

4 жыл бұрын

She also doesn’t glow with a detect life spell, but she does with detect dead. Food for thought.

The Serena one isn't a plothole because she could've been born when the dwemer were around and went to sleep in the second era

@apofis231

5 жыл бұрын

That's a good point. I vaguely remember reading that humans didn't realize the Dwemer had vanished until the middle of the Second Era

@Canwehitsubscriberswitho-sr1id

5 жыл бұрын

There is also the possibility of her being a very sheltered child(?) Which would make sense

@Jay-vv6wl

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah she hardly ever got to leave the castle so her perception of the outside world would probably come from books and tales mostly

@heindepaauw4886

4 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't she have been around when they disappeared then? Isolated she might have been, but the disappearance of a race 'might' have become a topic of conversation in a few thousand years?

@scottgardner2950

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe she was surprised that they're STILL gone

I feel that Sybille being a vampire isnt lost on people more of like a "It's a secret to everybody" moment where they know but she gives no real reason to alarm people

1:17 so like is everyone gonna ingore the body randomly floating by in the backround here?

Hilarious? The frequency of your visits to the cloud district

@bullyrag

5 жыл бұрын

Nazeem do you see your wife very often? Oh what am I saying of course you don’t

@bullseye5262

5 жыл бұрын

Do you live through a normal Skyrim playthrough very often? Oh what am I saying, I make damn sure you don’t.

@SuperLumianaire

5 жыл бұрын

@@bullyrag OOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

@nazeem8086

5 жыл бұрын

Indentity thief. I am the original Nazeem. You stole the idea of being a god.

@bullseye5262

5 жыл бұрын

Nazeem faker or not it changes nothing

Delphine...how she got the Horn of Jurgen Windcaller? The Dragonborn must - clear up cave full of Draugrs and spell casters - using shout to open up the gates - avoid traps and spiders Maybe Delphine can get passed all the enemies and traps, but she sure can't get pass the gates that the only way to pass it is by using shout.

@poopydoopy3313

5 жыл бұрын

maybe she snuck in through the back

@MizanQistina

5 жыл бұрын

@@poopydoopy3313 the secret door can only be opened from inside

@poopydoopy3313

5 жыл бұрын

@@MizanQistina yeah nevermind idk how she did it

@RustyMerc4Hire

4 жыл бұрын

The most glaring plot hole of plot holes... it's why I recommend Not So Fast - Main Quest. It actually stops that bullshit and forces her to find another way to get your attention.

@SZRLM

4 жыл бұрын

I mean, she and the Greybeards seem to know each other. We know others have visited and learned to harness the voice yet we never see them shout. It's possible Delphine learned a shout.

14:38 "Tastes something fishy" oh so not the fact that they got poisoned and died or got frothy mouthed from the poison? Just the fact it tasted "off" ?

12:13 Yes but they said that they couldn’t interfere directly with the events, so when they finished that’s why they were able to take it

On sybelle. Mages can live several lifetimes unchanged ex. Fallion, Wulfarth the undying, Savros Aren, and Tolfdir. As a matter of fact its one of the first things that The Archmage says to the player. SO a long lived young looking wizard...It happens

@dxmixnj6583

4 жыл бұрын

Well most of them are elves...which can live over 200 years

@dagothur2666

4 жыл бұрын

@@dxmixnj6583 Wood Elves live normal human years, Dark Elves 200 years, and High Elves 1,000 years if they don't get sick or injured if they are a powerful mage they can live for much longer, example is Mannimarco.

@lharchmage6908

4 жыл бұрын

Falloio, Tolfdir, and Wulfarth are human

@Tamizushi

4 жыл бұрын

That's what I thought too. Most people in Skyrim are ignorant about magic. If anybody asks how she stays young, it would be easy for her too pretend she uses spells to stay young. It would fool everyone except maybe other wizards, and I think other wizards are less likely to care about her being a vampire anyway.

@1993rnicholson

4 жыл бұрын

@@dagothur2666 err Mannimarco is his own can of worms he is a very confusing character who A. Is a necromancer so if he is immortal he has acheived it in a non standard way and B. Is a High elven mage plus C. Has ties with the Psyjic order well historical ones anyways he really doesn't represent anyone else very well he is a very complicated character who walked a very non standard path of magic

Biggest plot hole in Skyrim: How come if I literally take off all my clothes, drop them on the floor and then eat 500 loafs of bread in the middle of a town *NO ONE* says anything... HOW CRAZY IS THIS PLACE REALLY?!

@SirConto

4 жыл бұрын

The kids might start laughing at you for being naked. And the guards might complain about your littering or ask if they can take that armor you dropped.

@FilmsNerf2

4 жыл бұрын

@@SirConto I remember being yelled at by a guard for dropping an iron sword I didn't want.

@rainyamamoto2736

4 жыл бұрын

I did that and there's this one guy in solitude who said "can a have the clothes you drop?" And I said yes but after I came back 10 days in game time the clothes are still there. Lol

@thatguymilk3840

4 жыл бұрын

Dragons, zombies, demons, gods, vampires, werewolf, werebears, elf's, dragon born, magic, giants, mammoths, skeletons, dragon priests, giant spiders, blind elf's, ghosts, and giant robots, I dont think a naked guy eating bread is much if a concern

@a1phamalestud

4 жыл бұрын

ThatGuyMilk how bout stealing pants off someone wearing them

The psijic order didn't want to interfere. They only interfered in the end because they literally were forced to. In addition, the guy who warned you in the beginning said his psijic brothers would be angry with what he was doing. I think they were very torn until the end forced them to agree to take away the eye of magnus.

Nate Is so underrated! Your vids are so awesome!! Keep it up my dude.

The Telvani plot hole can be patched with a quick story about a family losing, then regaining their status due to some Game of Thrones-style scheming.

@jonathanwells223

4 жыл бұрын

How and why is the player supposed to assume that instead of dismissing Neloth as crazy and Bethesda writers as objectively retarded?

@ArturoPladeado

4 жыл бұрын

Or they rose back to power because isn't it like 200 years between the shipwreck and you finding and giving the journal to him. So alot could have changed in 200 years.

@M.-R.-S

Жыл бұрын

Or the writer of the book believe that the Telvani was destroyed and not know he didn’t see the hole picture of what happen. From what he saw and experience, he jump to the conclusion that they were wiped out.

The 4th plot hole might actually not be one. Perhaps the Psijic Order wanted the Dragonborn to become archmage for some kind of plan.

@apollojustice9401

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think it's the dragonborn they want Archmage but a new one in general, if Oblivion is anything to go on, considering that he had some shady dealings in the past.

@yeetpeet9660

5 жыл бұрын

Also, the order doesn’t like to get involved (partially) because they want to avoid any hostilities that may threaten their existence, so if they took the eye without the college wanting it gone, it may have warranted retaliation. To them, avoiding the chance for conflict is well worth a couple of lives that would’ve died anyway.

@danschreimann215

4 жыл бұрын

Isn't it also possible that because their teleporting a gigantic magical orb into another dimension it takes a while to do the magic ritual

@lordjaraxxus5418

4 жыл бұрын

@@danschreimann215 or it is quick but inter-dimensional lag caused it to take forever

For the Psijics - Perhaps they saw several possible outcomes to the discovery of the Eye, some good, some bad, some just okay. If you'd made all the right choices, looked in exactly the right books or whatever, you could've used the Eye to do some really good thing, so they gave you a chance to try. As it turned out, you made the "just okay" choices, that ended up with some people dying but at least Ancano didn't get his hands on the power of the Eye. So, the Psijics won't punish you, but they don't trust you either.

Has no one noticed the headless person in the backround while hes talking about Brand

The other thing about the meadery quest is how the poisoning wasn't linked back to the Dragonborn. He stands there stating he doesn't know how it got poisoned, directly after sending this wandering stranger alone throughout his property with poison.

I remember the psygic dude saying in the first time he contacted the dragonborn that the rest of the order didn't want him to interfere... Then after the questline they take the orb having realized how dangerous it is in the wrong hands. Just my interpretation anyway

@turtleshell6391

4 жыл бұрын

Psijic order usually doesn't wanna directly deal with any of Tamriels problems. They have a monk like lifestyle. Where they spend most of their days worshipping the Aedra. It's not at all a plot hole. I just think nate needed to fill a slot in the video.

@dominickbolieau9328

4 жыл бұрын

@@turtleshell6391 no it still doesn't make sense bc the psijics can literally see the future.

I always love to discuss plot holes from a game that let's you go to heaven to defeat an ancient evil from destroying the world just a few days after offering your spouse to a demon in order to get some cool armour.

@daviddragonheart6798

2 жыл бұрын

Doesnt need to be a spouse: you can pay a mercenary to follow you, and that works just fine too. The specific sacrifice that you mention at the end needs a character to be lured to the altar that has a disposition of at least 3, which is consistent with followers. Spouses are 4. Mercenaries gain disposition 3 when you pay for their services at least ONCE, even if they never met you before the payment.

@PR-ot7qd

2 жыл бұрын

@@daviddragonheart6798 didn't say you needed a spouse...

I’ve always thought of the psijic order as the Jedi order and loved the quest line, in the way the are MENT to be all knowing all good however nothing is, so big mistakes happen…and then they need to take drastic measures to fix an error they made by being passive. Loved that faction quest line

In "Dampened Spirits" you were likely meant to return through the tunnel, giving Sabjorn enough time to fill the sampling barrel full of fresh mead and return

@fightingfaerie

4 жыл бұрын

Okay but why would anyone when the door is right there lol

@urayoanbonilla-mangual7028

4 жыл бұрын

@@fightingfaerie last second change would take too long to fix

@Kahadi

4 жыл бұрын

Could also be the usual game limitations of how characters and assets get there. Happens in many games, a character telling you to meet them somewhere, never being encountered on the path or heading the wrong way to start, yet already being there no matter how quick you move, or going ahead and disappearing as soon as they're off screen. While Skyrim does its best to avoid this, having some characters physically walk to a destination if you walk there and warp there if you fast travel, there are still limitations in such a situation, since to have it happen properly would require the player to wait for him to head over to collect more mead and bring it back, either by teleporting him to the door to enter, pick an animation to look like he's collecting the mead, then walk back to make the player wait the least amount of time, or making the player wait through him walking from his usual spot over, taking even longer to head over. I mean, think about it. You never see him nor any merchant actually do anything to replenish stocks, closest being seeing some blacksmith merchants use the forge but never replenish the materials they'd be using. So just like having Lucan have his wares, go to bed, and reopen shop with drastically different wares, its meant to be implied that he did get more mead and you just don't get to see it

@McHobotheBobo

4 жыл бұрын

Not to mention mead is a fermented drink that takes like a month or more of sitting in a dark room to be made

@jonjdonnelly

3 жыл бұрын

Or Mallus who works for Maven dealt with the barrel inside the meadery while we got the rest for when the guards do an inspection

1:20 in... WTF is up with the headless warrior-lady in the background?! LMAO!

These are great ! Thanks for this! 😊

1. It is possible that Neloth isn't aware that the rest of House Telvanni has either died or been scattered to the winds, so he might assume they're still prestigious because he hasn't bothered to actually checked. He is incredibly self-centered. He could also be lying, assuming you (the Dragonborn) are just too ignorant and provincial to realize he's resting on some really old, dried-up laurels. 2. Sybille probably isn't too alarming because mages with longer than normal lifespans aren't all that uncommon. Neloth is over 1,000 years old, which is pretty unusual even for a dunmer, for instance. She could probably play her seeming lack of aging off on her skill at Alteration magic. 3. The Psijic Monks left the mages at the College of Winterhold in custody of the Eye of Magnus for a couple of reasons: First, they couldn't clearly see upcoming events because the energies of the Eye disrupted their scrying, in a similar way to how it blanks out the Oculary which the mage from Cyrodil thinks will let him detect magical artifacts all over Skyrim. Second, it wasn't actually *unsafe* to study until after Ancano tried to use it as a kind of magical neutron bomb to wipe out humans and restore the world to the Thalmor's idea of paradise. 4. Serana's spotty knowledge is pretty easy to explain: she was a book-smart young vampire before her mother locked her in suspended animation for thousands of years. She had never seen Solitude in person and it's literally the closest Hold capital to her family's castle. She knew what she read in her family's library and what her mother taught her about magic and alchemy. She might not have been too clear on exactly what happened to the Dwemer. If I recall correctly, she does say that the books she read about the Dwemer made their cities seem so alive that it's strange not to see them there, rather than saying she didn't know they'd disappeared.