lemme hold a sub?

@musicmane4146

10 ай бұрын

No

@rKarmaZMS

9 ай бұрын

W

@wruzzer

8 ай бұрын

6:18 then u play singleplayer shooters. or vs bots if possible in that game. humilating noobs is not da wae. also u want a chill game, but what about the noobs? they wanna have fun too. and it's no fun to get only 1-2 kills but 30 deaths. that's what happens without sbmm. shooter players btw the only people on the planet who hate on sbmm. it's standard in so many games for a reason. it should be standard in every single one.

@Kenf333

8 ай бұрын

@@wruzzer This humiliating noobs is not "da wae" gimmick seems to be the only argument pro-SBMM supporters can concoct. It has nothing to do with newb-stomping lol, it's just about creating a new third mode where people can enjoy things without SBMM. Win-win for everybody try using your head next time instead of just mindlessly posting copy pasta.

@shrimpix516

7 ай бұрын

Got me with the Apex audio line.

I remember grinding cod to get good at it. Now it doesnt matter because sbmm makes all the lobbies feel the exact same

@suburbanwillog

Жыл бұрын

facts

@FantasyLandNPC

10 ай бұрын

Single player games are the only games you can chill and play now. CoD you do good one game, you’re going to have to sweat for the next 10.

@cinemapigeon4898

9 ай бұрын

COD is a uniquely casual mulitplayer game (it's not a Rainbow Six Siege or Overwatch) with overpowered/broken design elements to help newer/bad players do well/have fun. It does not behave well with a strict and or possibly predatory SBMM/engagement based matchmaking systems. Every MW2019 lobby at higher skills was just M4, 725 shotguns as secondaries, and claymores behind every door.

@Enragedhippo

8 ай бұрын

Replaying og cod MW2 from time to time is refreshing. I don’t think there’s any SBMM in it. I can play 1 game on Derailed, get 25 kills, then go on Rust and get donked on.

@Thjrjrnem3kjen4brn

8 ай бұрын

You want to sweat and drop big kills games but mad when others in the lobby do that also?

Sbmm is like going bowling, throwing a gutter ball, then it gives you a strike. To keep you there. Then 300 game vets throw strikes and always get splits. Embarrassing

I think one solution to solve this dilemma is to go back to how Halo Reach did matchmaking and have the ability to choose how the matchmaking worked. Connection, balanced, or skill based.

@kye4216

10 ай бұрын

Why would you not pick skill based? Like the only reason I can think is you want to stomp on new players to boost your ego

@ishyameru6232

10 ай бұрын

@@kye4216or you don’t give a fuck about who’s better at a virtual game, you’re new to PC and your internet connection isn’t too good

@Hyperiss

9 ай бұрын

Those features only work when a game has a big population.

@WhatASausage179

9 ай бұрын

​@@kye4216skill based would be fine if games could implement it properly. You shouldn't do well one game then get put against people who are way higher skil level for the next 5+ games. There should be an in-between

@moon-pw1bi

8 ай бұрын

@@kye4216 or to just play casually... have you watched the video?

What gets me is in CoD they use SBMM to "protect" players but allow team stacks vs solo lol...

Watching this after playing multiple hours of apex where I struggled to get even 2 kills per game bc people in my lobbies play like theres a million dollars on the line in pubs

"SBMM not to be confused with SSBM" while SSBB music plays has got to be one of the most masterful pieces of presentation ever

@suburbanwillog

8 ай бұрын

we do a little trolling

Another issue with this is that in some systems you cannot rank down. My friend and I played a bunch of Apex between season 2-5. So SBMM matched us with Dias and Masters. We then took a break for a few seasons. Then we queued up again and guess what: Pred champions squad and only Dia and Masters banners for the whole night. Same goes for R6. Even on a 10 game loose streak I don't seem to rank down and find easier matches. I just wanna get back into playable games man.

@Jayyrains

7 ай бұрын

Youre on the dot with this one. I played valorant when it first came out and hit diamond. I was pretty decent but quit for a few years and I came back to essentially the same diamond games when im nowhere near that level anymore. I went 0-7 my first match and just couldnt embarrass myself any longer so I left the match and uninstalled. Im not even going to bother trying to get back into that game.

Back on 360 playing mw2 I got demolished for 3 months before getting any form of good Now when I dominate a game I’m put into a game where it’s sweaty and just too much

Single Player gamer to Multiplayer gamer: “Wow, sucks to be you.”

I stopped playing online games all together. If one good thing came out of SBMM, I get to finally finish my backlog of games

I think people would be okay with SBMM if it made more sense. Everyone has been there where one decent match means you’re gonna be slammed for the rest of the night. I think it shows how aggressively SBMM systems seek to punish someone who does well, which makes them unpopular. If it was more gradual, or if it would settle down quicker, it wouldn’t be an issue. But these people try to game your psychology, and there’s probably some twisted reason why they make SBMM so punishing.

@-Kubito-

20 күн бұрын

The last thing i think you're a bit right, it makes you a bit addicted at the games. I never had interest in FPS until a few months ago, i always knew i was bad at those type of things, but then i fell into the competitive rabbit hole. The stats, the ranked thing, i started comparing myself to other players, i started to get frustrated: why am i not good enough? I need to feel like my stats are good enough. When i'm only starting in this! The expectations now are too high (because normally it is expected that you're only good when you play almost perfectly) and i think that's why there's so much problem with casual gaming. It's almost non-existent nowadays, that's why there are really toxic players, i myself got toxic moments, like quitting matches because i was too afraid "my stats would drop and i would be even worse than before". That makes you addicted, and that makes you feel that sense of urgency "i need to get better right now at this game", when you only started at this yesterday. It's also the shaming for being "a noob" or for being "bad", when it doesn't really matter. I tell you the truth, i watched so much gameplays or livestreams with people playing good (not perfect, but really really good) and there was inmediatly that person saying: "you're bad, you're horrible at this", just because they weren't watching some top 1 player level gameplay. I think it could be more of a personal issue, but i do feel that videogames became extremely competitive nowadays, more than they should. Some are even hollow and just have the competitive factor, but they keep people into the addiction hole. The best times of the FPS i got into were when i just discovered them and i was figuring out how to play, it's so much fun, and you even laugh at your deaths. But when you get into the majority of them, you start to see how extremely competitive they are

Sbmm has ruined every fps game for me and that sucks cause i rly enjoy fps games. But when ur constantly havin to sweat in unranked lobbies it ruins everything

The comparison between the immortal jet and Lebron at the local LA fitness is crazy lmaooo

Recommended tab actually promoting a good small creator to me

SBMM existing in casual modes is so incredibly unhealthy for games. Imagine if we banned casual basketball, tennis, or baseball in the real world and you could only play it if you signed up for a team? That'd be asinine! Yet these game companies keep introducing that very same principle year after year? What happened to playing games for fun.

@kye4216

10 ай бұрын

Why? The point is that you don’t get punished for losing, why does it matter what skill level opponents you play? I’d argue it’s way better for casual to be a place you can warm up against the same competition you will be playing in ranked. It shouldn’t just be a mode good players use to stomp on newer players to boost their ego after losing in ranked.

@moon-pw1bi

8 ай бұрын

@@kye4216 the only difference between ranked and sbmm is that in ranked u can actually see your rank. thats why it feels like a "punishment" but really that same punishment exists in sbmm as well, all it means is that you get matched with lower skilled players. we dont need 2 modes to do the same thing

@wruzzer

8 ай бұрын

@@WhatASausage179 and that was horrible. i want a challenge when i play. not just targets. back in the days i played ~30/5 in basically every game. boring af. now i can actually have fun. everyone who doesn't wanna humilate noobs can have fun now. if i wanna chill, i play singleplayer shooter or other chill games, not multiplayer shooter.

@wruzzer

8 ай бұрын

@@moon-pw1bi it's not the same. casual is more chill cuz people aren't afraid to lose their rank. without sbmm it would be horrible like in the old days tho. i would play ~30/5 every game again. there is a reason sbmm is standard in most games. yes, in casual too.

@wruzzer

8 ай бұрын

it's the only way to make competitive games fun for everyone (who doesn't wanna stomp noobs). to compare it with rl sports is dumb. when did u q for basketball the last time and got randomly matched with lebron james? never, exactly. in casual computergames without sbmm this happens daily. would you have fun playing vs lebron james? would you have fun playing vs shroud? no, you wouldn't.

SBMM doesn't belong in quickplay/pubs. Keep it to where its actually designated.. RANKED. What's the point of having a competitive ranked mode when the casual mode is nothing but competitive? I feel the same about apex. The more skilled you are, the more heavily punished you are. I just wanna have fun in pubs and not have to sweat my balls off to play. Keep that for ranked 😅 Really well made vid!!

@kye4216

10 ай бұрын

You don’t have to sweat in casual because you don’t lose anything for losing. It’s good if it still puts you against similar skill players so you can warm up to jump into ranked.

@kittycatkiss530

10 ай бұрын

did you even watch the video..? People dont want to have to sweat like theyre playing comp in a casual gamemode. If youve ever played apex legends, which is majority what i was referring to, you'd know ranked is literally easier than pubs LMFAO@@kye4216

@Dayz671

9 ай бұрын

​@@kye4216No it isn't I play pubs not to play against players only against my skill level or above. I don't mind going against that but not every game. I want to shit on those bad players I once used to be. If I wanted to play against players with equal skill every game I would played ranked.

@kye4216

9 ай бұрын

@@Dayz671 So you dont like playing against good players even tho youre good yourself, but want bad players to be forced into lobbies with you so you can beat up on them. Thats just bs imo. There is literally no reason to not be playing against people on your level every game.

@Dayz671

9 ай бұрын

@@kye4216 Can you read? No, I am above average I would say. Also, when did I say I don't like going against good players? I said I don't like going against every game with every team being a premade squad. If I am playing pubs in Apex I expect it to be casual mostly not to be a complete sweat fest. Like we are playing for 5 million dollars. That is what ranked is for.

As someone who isn’t bad at games as I’ve been playing them my while life, SBMM sucks. I now have a job and college to attend to and when I boot up apex legends and hop into trios I don’t want to have to be facing masters players just because I have an above average K/D

The game would play how it did on COD4. And that’s why I had so much fun back then; even when brand new

Fr my matchmaking makes me have 1. Trash teammates (ALWAYS) 2. Ganging up and perfect teamwork from the enemy 3. God enemies You see this is why I hate SBMM

it's an easy fix. Have a que for casuals with no/very loose sbmm and then have a ranked mode. I never understood why devs really just can't do this one simple thing across all games.

@TimeStrike12

8 ай бұрын

Doesn't work because those playing rank will practice in the casual lobby's and get real toxic to casuals. I know this because it's what happened in Overwatch.

@rexex345

8 ай бұрын

The issue is SBMM and it's ancestor ELO are very old systems designed primarily for 1v1 games like Chess, so they run into issues once you have to account for teams and skills being more varied. In a Chess game it's simple as person A won so they gain rating, person B lost so they lose that same rating. But once you get teams, well how do you track who was the most skilled? Was it the one who got the most kills? The one who died the least? The one who did the most damage? Maybe it's the one whose actually at the bottom of the team leaderboard because they spent their time directing and supporting their team mates.

@glxyzera7532

8 ай бұрын

valorant has that but it doesnt fix much lmao

@wruzzer

8 ай бұрын

@@rexex345 pretty ez. all of what you said combined. there is no issue at all.

@brennanvillao

Ай бұрын

​@@wruzzerwhat ratio because all of them can't be equally important especially in different types of games, no seriously what the perfect ratio for call of duty, valorant, ow, rainbow six, and the finals, it's not that simple kid

The problem with SBMM isnt matching skills its self its how inaccurate most games are at it

The only problem with sbmm is that it can’t find a lobby full of players with your same skill so it gives you a higher ping against lower skill players making hit reg and EOMM more obvious. The game predetermines the winner in the fight not you and because of that we keep restarting the match out of spite thinking it was just a lag spike or strange aim resist, delayed audio…

Your content is SO underrated! This is the prefect explanation of my recent Apex pub match experience in Tokyo server.

skill based matchmaking literally sucks though like howre you supposed to get better if the only people you go against are as bad as you like wtf side note, bro i clicked on this video thinking i was watching some guy with 500k+ subs like dude when I looked down I was genuienly shocked by how low your sub count is at the moment. you deserve way more man holy

@suburbanwillog

Жыл бұрын

thanks homie

@Tachi2407

11 ай бұрын

You're supposed to improve gradually. If you lose to somebody on your level or slightly better/worse, it likely at least was a match and you can look at individual things you did wrong. With fighting games as an example, there might be some move you don't know how to respond to or an aspect like failing to get enough damage out of openings you find. When you get curbstomped by someone way out of your league, you might be humbled, but "he did EVERYTHING better" isn't a particularly useful information for training. Even worse, they might straight up be cheesing, doing things that are actually bad and only work against someone much worse, but they can get away with it because of better execution or beating you in every other aspect. So no, I don't think being completely overwhelmed magically tranfers that knowledge to you. Critically judging your own performance and improving one step at a time does.

@wruzzer

8 ай бұрын

@@Tachi2407 exactly. that's why sbmm is awesome

I'm here 3 months late, but man this video is good. Just goes to show that you don't need the worlds craziest editing to make a good video. All it takes is a good idea and a well written script, and that is exactly what this video does. Earned yourself a sub!

Entertaining, funny, well edited and the pacing is good need more of these content

the problem with smurf detection is also that i suddenly get put into diamond lobbies in gold

"It's basically the same thing" I knew I would like the video straight away xD

I'm older and a casual player on CoD. I have a 40+ hour a week job and only a few hours a week to play. Constantly getting put into lobbies I don't belong in. Most times I can't get 5 kills, or less, on a game. I'm just trying to relax after work. I'm not trying to be a wannabe pro gamer. SBMM and the cheaters who exploit it....make it no fun to play.

Zero build was a really good decision by epic, but I've been trying to get back into the build mode and all I face are 4 stacks and bots lol. The contrast of shooting a bot that doesn't even shoot back, to then getting landed on by 4 extremely horny creative warriors is just bad. And I'm a fairly competent player, but the fact that epic thinks a few bot kills will excuse that horrendous experience is just avoiding the root issue.

@yogosans14

7 ай бұрын

Play ranked you get no bots

@tylerthere5832

7 ай бұрын

@@yogosans14 yeah, I think I will give it a shot. Plus there're probably less chimpanzee pub stompers in there 🤞

Uggh you were so right about pubs being more sweaty than ranked in apex, I hate the sbmm in that game. It kinda killed my interest in playing shooters

I'm glad you brought up Val. Your MMR is different than your rank. I don't play ranked a lot, as I hate that type of play, but I apparently am ranked bronze to silver 2. I stopped playing at silver 2. In ranked I consistently play against full gold teams some platinum. And then TDM I'm consistently up against ascendant and immortal players. When I say consistently, I mean every single game I have an ascendant or immortal player on the opposing team, or multiple. I don't even think I'm that great, I'm good sometimes and I can pull off some wild stuff but I'm not consistent enough. Having to play against these players who only play this game all the time is really obnoxious. This is due to my hidden MMR. I only solo queue when I play ranked. So I'm somehow being pushed into bronze because I consistently lose cuz I'm always playing against gold and platinum players and my team is usually silver or bronze. It's completely fucked. It Makes me hate games, and I love games. Considering quitting entirely. For reference, also a diamond halo player, Plat in overwatch, and was a 2.18 KD player in WZ with 50 nukes to my name in CoD. They are apparently manipulating bullet damage as well. It's too much. It is a bane on gaming.

So high skill players, has more right to have fun, than low skill players has?

My son when he was little played a ton of overwatch on my account. So when I played the game I flat out dominated for a long time because my MMR was so low. This account was stuck getting placed in silver and gold for a while and my winning percentage would be 70% plus all roles season after season. It was fun having friends who were silvers and golds and going on big win streaks all the time, everyone was happy. I got called a Smurf rarely because people could look at my account and see how many games it played. But if you looked at my recent seasons after my son got his own account you’d see some insane stats. If your a grown man and want to have fun let little kids play on your account when your working or busy.

so glad i was recommended this video bro keep it up

this is exactly how i feel, i’ve gotten to a point in valorant where i get queued in a lobby of all lvl 20s that have aims of plats-diamonds. It’s like a constant sweat.

With the quality of your work, I was surprised on how underrated you are. You have a new sub!

In older MMOs and in shooters like GunZ in my region of the world, there was no such thing as SBMM. There's only guild/clan wars and a leaderboard. Players should have the prerogative to challenge whoever they want and accept/reject any challenge they want, but it should come at the cost of: castles/resources - MMO, Clan rankings/prestige (FPS/TPS) Smurfing, boosting, deranking, sandbagging, are all symptoms of the sickness that is SBMM.

This was a really great video! Keep up the great work my dude, you're gonna go far with this!

Arguably sbmm makes it harder to improve because youre locked in a box with other low level players learning bad habbits that wont work against good players

@wruzzer

8 ай бұрын

and when u play vs much better players u learn nothing at all.

@Joutube_is_trash

8 ай бұрын

@@wruzzer false cope narrative. You learn everything you're doing wrong based on what does and doesn't work against good players. Fact is if you're not learning playing against better competition, you're not going to learn playing against safe space match made lobbies.

Man you make really high quality videos, you earned my sub 👍🏼

I remember playing social on Halo 3 and usually there was always one person better than everyone in free-for-all but you were fighting so many different skill levels just in one game that it didn't make the overall experience bad

SBMM is only bad in games like cod because you literally have no idea where you stand as a player since there's no ranks and no rewards based on your own skill level, which means games get progressively harder the more you play and the better you do but you have nothing to show for it. For example in cod I can't flex my global elite rank or my lvl 10 faceit because there's nothing like it, all I can say about it is how sweaty my lobbies are and that just makes me look bad at the game. I think SBMM has a place in games like, csgo, valorant, rocket league, league of legends and even apex, BUT cod, battlefield and games focused on "fun" should either have it extremely subtle as to protect those with impairments and really new players or get rid of it

There was one point in fortnite where I specifically played arena fill simply for less sweaty lobby because of the different ranking system lol. I like how you ask people to subscribe without being cringe or annoying, all-in-all very well done. If you still have less than 50k in 2 years, I will eat my hat

Wow i was really surprised when i saw you only had 1k subs, very well put together video that you clearly put a lot of time and effort into

got recommended this 4 months later lmao. nice video :)

A really annoying trend i've observed recently in some games is them putting SBMM into a game that already has skill rankings . From a couple recent experiences (Destiny 2 comp and Overwatch 2 Comp) having SBMM in comp means that no matter what rank you are, you are (ideally of course) going against basically copies of yourself every game, which then makes every game effectively a coinflip. This is not great for a couple reasons. Chief among them being, that you often lose the feeling of progression that makes competitive games fun, because ranking up is now much harder in practice, even if you do acutally improve. (again, cause sbmm in comp results at its "best" in a 50% win rate.) I personally think that rather than putting SBMM in casual and ranked modes, it would be better to instead do it the old way, connection based matchmaking with skill based team balancing. Altogether, i resonate greatly with a lot of the points in the video, cause for me, i don't particularly enjoy every single match being extremely similar. The main reason i play multiplayer pvp games, is cause they change from match to match, cause your oponents are real people. SBMM takes away from that, cause under it, everybody is (ideally) on the same skill level and you dont get many standout games during a play session. I i sometimes greatly enjoy coming up against high skill players in games i play, cause it opens my eyes to what i could improve on. On the other hand, i also enjoy dropping a 50 kill game on the odd occasion im the best player in the match by a mile, cause im only human. Under SBMM those fun moments are way too rare and i wish it wasnt in most multiplayer games today.

@wruzzer

8 ай бұрын

wtf, getting 50 kills is FUN for you? that's boring af. i'm always pissed if i get a score like that. cuz it means i ruined that match for the other team. cuz i wanna have actualmenemies, not targets. if i want targets, i play singleplayer.

@DanielFalca0

7 ай бұрын

If you have 51% or above win rate in any game you will rank up. The problem in ranked is that people think they are better than they actually are. Casual being the "fun" stomping noobs is ridiculous. Because is the average and bad players that maintain the game alive. See how well the game will last when the bad and average players leave the game because they only get stomped and matchmaking.

@danishhaikal8840

5 ай бұрын

@@wruzzercringe

@wruzzer

5 ай бұрын

@@danishhaikal8840 indeed, stomping noobs is cringe.

New subscriber. This video was great, I didn't understand completely the meaning of SBMM before, now I got a better idea. Thx

Subbed. Very well done and nice quality video! One thing-most (if not all) multiplayer games use EOMM now. It’s all about player retention my friend. It’s gone far beyond them “caring” about the playerbase.

This is insane content ngl amazing editing and writing!

Playing a diverse lobby with good and bad players is nice. The wheat can separate itself. When everyone is the same your win rate and kd are almost guaranteed to be 5050. Which is trash

Halo Infinite is a SBMM cesspool

SBMM should remain in games that are actually competitive (zero to no RNG) think of chess for example. In valorant a 13-0 sweep is boring for both parties. The closer the game, the more you are on edge, the more fun the game. games like cod and apex should have ranked matchmaking in their ranked playlist, but not in their casuals. (letting people decide if they want to compete or not) For games to be fun with sbmm, the game needs to be build with competition in mind.(finding weapons in Apex is RNG, CODs maps and gamedesgin makes the game RNG) This results in the player being frustrated, because too often, the player looses, due to simple being unlucky.(timings from bad map design, weaker guns, etc) Players want to have an even playing field while competing. If thats not provided, the implementation of SBMM results in the highlighting of the mistakes of the game(weapon balance, maps, TTK, Kbm vs controller balance etc)

Amazing video bro. SBMM is absolutely ruining casual multiplayer in so many games. Halo Infinite is a great example of a gane held back by an awful SBMM system.

ahh anyone remember bo2?? man feels like forever ago, def an example of devs and the fanbase working together

@wruzzer

8 ай бұрын

every single black ops was shit. biggest reason for that was: no sbmm. means i was stomping every single game. boring af.

Thank you for making this , I HATE sbmm it’s completely ruined all fps games for me over the years

@wruzzer

8 ай бұрын

it saved fps for me. now i don't play 30/5 every single game. that was boring af.

@headphonesz6527

5 ай бұрын

​@@wruzzerroom temperature IQ

@wruzzer

5 ай бұрын

@@headphonesz6527 no u

Loose SBMM is generally healthy for most games. Problems come when bad actors such as EOMM and smurfs attempt to game the system for their gain at the cost of average players.

I'm Extremely competitive, SBMM has ruined my passion for most games.

@kye4216

10 ай бұрын

Why? If you’re extremely competitive why do you care about beating worse players?

@CarlosC77

10 ай бұрын

@@kye4216 Because if one of the best players it isn't satisfying playing against bots just to keep their avg kd down and get my KD up, it's not organic.

@kye4216

10 ай бұрын

@@CarlosC77 Why would you be playing against bots?

hidden sbmm is ruining gaming ftfy

bro i was so surprised when you said you got 400 subs and then looked down i saw 500 jesus i thought you had like thousands from like the quality of your videos i immediately subbed

I think siege has found the perfect formula where there is casual games basically all levels all ranks unranked where its still all ranks and stuff but you actually try to win and not mess around and of course ranked where you play against players your rank

Halo Infinite SBMM is in a worse state than most because I swear on my life that it's designed to let you have 3 FUN matches and then proceeds to match you against players way out of your skill level for 3-5 games, and you end up getting ass blasted into kingdom come and just calling it a night.

Yes! I will only speak on COD, but I have written up some thoughts on the matter: I believe that the vast majority of players are average, bit below average, and a bit above average. Just as the bellcurve you showed. Most games most of the time would be made up of those players. All of those players could have fun, do well, and or help their team someway (play the objective, camp so hard their KD is positive in a TDM despite not being that skillful, etc...). Small story about that, I befriended someone on the 360 days with a 5+ KD, I was thinking he must be the best player ever, but when I played with him, he would rock a ghillie suit in tall grass, cold blooded so he's safe from any killstreaks or UAVs, and literally go like 4-0 or 5-1 in a 10 minute TDM. Was he a great player? I would say no. COD is also unique in the sense so much of its multiplayer design philosophy basically appeals to newer players (MW2 2009 through and through, although it's the entire series and why it's so famous). If you remove all of these elements, you get a much better true competitive game (but then it turns into Rainbow Six Siege or completely different game). No longer COD at that point. These design elements shrink the skill gap. Bad players could use the overpowered weapons, perks, strats, etc.. and have success. A few One Man Army noobtubes (extreme example and probably should have gotten patched but it was common) and they get a care package. One care package could very well be an AC-130. A bad player would also kill a better player all the time with such method. Replace OMA with hardcore camping (because if you have the pre-aim advantage, could very well defeat a better player), martyrdom, last stand, low recoil 2 shot stopping power assault rifle, etc... Those same OP meta loadouts in a consistently high skilled lobby makes for MW2019 where everyone is rocking a shotgun as their secondary with claymores behind every door. The same exact playstyle every match because you either adopt it or lose. Yay, can't wait for everyone to use the M4 again. Also considering how lobbies changed up between games, if you had the misfortune of having an MLG reject going against you, you could very well have him on your team the following match. And even when facing an elite 42069 pubstar, you could still kill his teammates (or capture the A & B flags in domination and beat him that way). Now in the less common but definite occurrence of a full party dominating you, that sucks and people would back out (being their own SBMM). Although who knows if an MLG reject joins your team and can single handily turn the tide against a big party. Basically what I'm getting at is variables. Variables all day everyday. Maybe you get dominated one match but you learn exactly how that opponent is playing and are smart enough to simply cut him off on his rushing routes or hardscope his popular spots with a sniper/grenade launcher/grenade.

SBMM needs to be ranked exclusive. I just want to enjoy unranked and have fun and not be a meta slave

@wruzzer

8 ай бұрын

so u wanna stomp noobs? play singleplayer.

This was a very good video. Prior to this I didn't know what sbmm was, and after watching i feel sufficiently educated to decide i don't like/support sbmm even though I'm and older and lower skilled player my self. I didn't know why CODM felt different the FP shooters I played as a teenager/ early 20s adult but know i know. The gaming experience has been throttled (so to speak) which makes for a super bland and boring experience, even for lesser skilled older individuals that don't have the reaction time of a fly like our teenage counterparts.

I remember playing COD back in the day with no SBMM, improving at the game and then getting absolutely demolished by a guy who spends 15h+ a day on the game was so humbling, yet motivating because you wanted to be that guy, nowadays you just say”sweat”,”stop trying so hard” back in the day I used to send a friend request and hope they added me back

Nice video! As others said, the quality is definitely above your sub count. Keep it up and I wish you success in the future.

Yo this video is a huge W, keep up the great work!

Here before 1000 views but I just know this one is gonna pop off. Great vid. I remember old CoD lobbies where it was just fun, even if you were losing, and I cannot Imagine a game giving me that feeling today. I'm afraid the winner-take-all nature of battle royale games, and meteoric rise in the popularity of esports among the general gaming population has basically sucked the fun out of gaming for an entire generation. Game devs know that the more hours people spend grinding their game, the more money they'll fork out for DLC, so they have no reason to rethink their design philosophy. SBMM is a symptom, not the disease.

@suburbanwillog

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I wanted to just cover one aspect of a much larger problem tbh. I don't think any one thing can really be to blame for the state some games are in.

@wruzzer

8 ай бұрын

old cod lobbies were boring af most of the time. almost always only noobs. now i can actually have fun. and the noobs too. btw i started with cod 1.

@danishhaikal8840

5 ай бұрын

@@wruzzershut up sweat

@wruzzer

5 ай бұрын

@@danishhaikal8840 has nothing to do with sweating. it just means u won't get stomped by me people like me and i won't stomp people like you..

COD’s SBMM is outright cheating ! The fact that they actually lower my health, reduce my hit box , and make it harder for me to kill lower ranked players isn’t skill based march making it’s just cheating me. Me shooting another player in the head or chest twice and getting hit markers and allowing them to turn around and shoot me once killing me has absolutely nothing to do with skill and everything to do with making my game experiences different and more frustrating.

@nofbi8582

2 ай бұрын

It's because lower skilled players pay money, I myself am a low skilled player, not as bad as timmy, or the bots in every streamer/youtubers lobby, however I don't pay money so I'm still affected by being thrown into WZ lobbies that have people with nukes and crap. This is all from patent/US20200114268A1 last re-application/updated in 2019 when the IW9 engine was made for MWR. Pay money = timmy lobbies; "For example, in one implementation, the system may include a microtransaction engine that arranges matches to influence game-related purchases. For instance, the microtransaction engine may match a more expert/marquee player with a junior player" Pay money = "bot" lobbies; "The matchmaking system and method may be leveraged in various contexts as well, such as to influence game-related purchases, recommend a composition of groups of players, train or identify non-player characters (NPCs) that should be used, and/or other contexts." "For example, in a game in which the system has determined that five snipers and five run-and-gunners represent an optimal mix of player roles, the system may select NPCs to fill gaps such that the desired combination of five snipers and five run-and-gunners is achieved to the extent possible (because potential matches having this ratio will have higher match scores)." ping is not king; "A game designer or others may assign a default value to one or more coefficients. For example, a match variable related to a composition of a team may, by default, be more important than a match variable related to latency and may therefore be weighted more heavily when generating a match score."

I have no idea what any of your words mean, all I know is that social Halo infinite is absolutely terrible because it's a constant sweat fest. I miss Halo 3 social when I could turn my brain off and have fun.

I don't mind sbmm in comp. I'm perfectly fine with it in comp. I 100% mind it in casual though. As it just feels like I'm playing comp but without any of the rewards of playing comp.

@wruzzer

8 ай бұрын

and less toxic, that's why i prefer casual over ranked. and that's also why sbmm in casual is not only a good idea, it's mandatory. otherwise u force every single player who wants to have fun vs same skilled enemies in toxic ranked games.

Ngl great video thought you had way more subs based on how well made it was

Another reason why Fortnite is a more casual friendly game is the inclusion of bots and the ratio of bots/real players is adjusted quickly depending how good or bad your games go. I was surprised you didnt mention another problem with SBMM and that is the sandbag problem as in a decently good solo player gets matched with much lower skilled teammates while going against teams on the good player level. It adds another layer of frustration and toxicity to modern gaming. Lastly I blame streamer culture for creating a new generation of extremely sweaty players. Metas are now instantly defined instead of taking weeks to form since everyone can watch what the pros are doing. And the advent of Cronus Zen and soft aimbot devices has completely ruined the competitive intregrity especially in games like Apex where is just rampant. Suffice to say even casual games like Fortnite are starting to lose interest because why bother to be good? I even dread the thought of winning a match now since i know ill be put into a sauna of a lobby with some dude with 600 crown wins. My prediction that co-op games are gonna rise in popularity among the casual playerbase if this kind of matchmaking continues

@suburbanwill shout-out to my boy Will for making this video, definitely agree to your take on SBMM, i myself am in similar situation being 30 year old and reaching the peak of my Apex skills, day one player, often solo Q but this season finally last straw and hanged the boots. Pubs are sweatier than Ranked and ranked is matching you with higher ranks while not letting you team up with them after match. Zero sense, don't know if both is KD related but sucked the joy out of casual few hours a week gaming. I have both 20k and 4k badges but mostly soloQ and if not 3 stacks predators that got me than it's roller with no movement or with strikepacks, zen on. Community is crying out loud for some changes since it ruins the fun for casual(majority). Peace out

It really comes down to this: Should a player have the ability to improve so they have a fair competitive edge?

In apex unranked schouldn‘t have sbmm, but for games like ow and valirant there needs to be some matchmaking, it doesn’t have to be strict at all but In team games you need people who are closer to your skill level, overwatch quickplay does it great, its not sweaty att all. A game like league of legends where it’s basically a 1v1 needs very strict sbmm, because you scale. I do nor mind playing against someone much better and winning 10% of the 1v1s but if that person gains 5% stats for everytime he kills me it starts getting extremely unfun

I’m happy about sbmm and the poor direction of the recent cod games because I ended up playing other games that I enjoy much more

Just earned a sub. This is probably the best video on the issues with SBMM I’ve ever watched. It’s the reason I stopped playing CoD. The biggest sticking point to me is Pubs vs Ranked/Competitive modes. Crazy that when I was a teen, getting 100 nukes/moabs before the next game came out was a feasible personal challenge. Last two MW games I couldn’t blink more than 4 times a match if I wanted to go positive. I don’t feel like I’m any shittier at shooters than I was a decade ago. Pubs shouldn’t have SBMM, or at the very least to a much lesser extent. The best people at CoD now take it as serious as a tour in Afghanistan. Just not a desirable way to spend my evenings anymore.

I was just telling my friend sbmm battle passes and Microstations ruined online games for me why I don't wanna play games with em its not fun for me anymore

There should be Random lobbies and SBMM for Ranked

Apex is the most egregious out of all these shooters. As a solo player you’re literally supposed to lose matches, once you lose enough the game tosses you a bone for persistence. Really shouldn’t be played solo unless you’re casual.

@jeagerist4072

8 ай бұрын

One thing it does really well on the other hand is smurfing, you’ll go a few games on a new account and your mmr is the same as your main.

"the better you get the more you get punished" yup, imagine practicing for half a year for two games where you win just return right back to getting insta hs... It's dumb

The problem is SBMM is that it’s forced into casual lobbies. It’s great for tanked modes but what is the point of casual lobbies if they’re just as sweaty as ranked?

Ik I am 4months late, but whatever. From the perspective of an Val Imo that's playing since beta, I can just agree with u. I think that SBMM should only exist in the ranked game mode and not in the casual once. What's the purpose of quing unrated for example if I still paly against the same people as I would when I qed ranked?

lowkey I thought this vid had 100k views. I didnt realise u had 400 subs until you said. Cracked content

The worst is when u are legit good at a game and then you must play against cheaters

I am a competitive player in practically any game I play, and personally it does not affect me in terms of difficulty in SBMM, but it does affect me in the long waiting times that there are, sometimes I just want to play a quick game without further ado. sbmm is socialism in games, any side where it is applied destroys it

So well done. Thank you.

I DID NOT EVEN HAVE TO WATCH THE VID!!! THANK U SOMEONE FINALY SAID IT!!!

My issue with sbmm is that I do good one match and it thinks I’m ready for way better players than me. One or two matches of getting stomped is fine, can’t win them all. My skill only goes so far and will only go so far because I don’t play games consistently enough to be a pro. So my skill will hit that glass ceiling. As I start to lose I would hope the people I face got a little easier. Lately I feel like I’m stuck in stomps. Yes getting destroyed can be a learning experience but damn near every time I turn on the game? That makes me not want to play.

Its not there to make things even and fair. It's there to keep the majority of people at about a 50/50 win loss. Stats show that when people get slapped too hard for too long they turn it off. Companies want people engaged for as much time as possible because theyre data shows that more time =more trash microtransaction exploitation. Competitive was already sorted perfectly as early as halo 2 2004. You want fair competition? You played ranked. You want random casual? You played social or custom. It was perfect or as close as possible. The only update that has been relevant and pro consumer has been the super casual option where players rank 0 to whatever or 0 matches to whatever are put into a super noobs only pool. Sbmm isnt for the players. Its a greed tactic based on algorithms and data💩. Now get in there and by digital pretend goods nerds 💩💀💩💀

this video hit the algorithm again. concrats!

personally i blame mostly the alt accounts. It truly sets the system in a spiral “ wtf lvl 1 dropping 30+ kills… maybe it was a good game and got lucky” and then they get put on my lobbies and im like “why do i get the new players but they get the alt accounts”

Bro- i 100% agree with this. Fortnite unranked feels most of the time like ranked. There’s also too many AI bots in unranked… i still haven’t figured out why

Yea but think abt it at the other end. I used to play a flash shooter game in class with a big group of some friends and I was the only one who played COD, so i was really good at it. After like 3 days of playing and stomping everyone it started to feel unfun. Like i had to handicap myself to be even on a remotely even playing field. And eventually i just stopped joining cuz it wasnt fun to autopilot and dominate lobbies, and it wasnt fun for them The solution is to play the right games. Games where strategy and reads count more (like Valorant and Apex) allow you to go on a roll even at your skill level if you make the right plays. I hate to say it but is honestly just skill issue. If your games are always neck and neck it prolly means ur autopiloting and just throwing yourself at the enemy with no major changes or tossups.

holy nice video, glad you got recommended to me

What keeps happening to me is when it works *too well* I play codm which has bots to fill lobbies, so what will end up happening is I destroy a bot lobby, then next game I get absolutely demolished to the point where I don’t have fun. Then next game I’m back in a bot lobby which isn’t fun cause it’s too easy. Then the cycle continues and I never get a fun, balanced game

If sbmm is removed, and you hop on to turn off your brain and relax, what makes you think you are not going to fight the number 1 player in the world?

@suburbanwillog

8 ай бұрын

because I am the number 1 player in the world.