Disappointed to see Ski Sunday presenters claiming that skiing is racist! Let me give you the facts! Skiing is a lifestyle choice, enjoyed by a very few, mainly middle class people with disposable income. It is very expensive & very cold & has no universal appeal. I've been skiing since 1976 & have only one black mate still doing it.

BenzKnees - we will have to agree to disagree here, i didn't say Chemmy had competed more recently (although she has).... i said she was brought up on carving skis where as Graham (like myself and many others of the era) was not he is still lifting his inside ski slightly, thus applying to much pressure to the outside ski instead of standing more evenly on both skis as per the modern technique. His left arm is all over the place causing the tails of the ski to slide (especially from the jump onward) ... instead of carving clean turns with a quiet upper body like Chemmy does ..... as for getting out the gate Chemmy gets the jump on him from the very off possibly better reactions (or perhaps over confidence from Graham but i don't think so) or more likely once again technique (dual slalom starting in VERY VERY different from wand starting) possibly Chemmy's husbands vast experience at Bearsden ski club has rubbed off on her he was as i remember one of the better starters up there..... us plastic spastics have our uses as backroom staff after all it would seem It is my reckoning if you were to ask Graham it would pain him to admit it, and he would do so through gritted teeth (as he is as previously mentioned an out and out competitor) ..... but simply she out-skied him ...

@Benzknees

6 жыл бұрын

Euan Aitken - Again you’re talking technique and familiarity with carving skis (which are hardly a new thing, having been around for about 20yrs) as if Bell couldn’t help but ski so badly. He knows modern slalom technique well, commentating on it on TV, and as a super competitive ex-pro skier he’s hardly going to ski like an amateur unless he’s doing it deliberately to lose. Otherwise how do you explain the start, where slalom technique doesn’t come into it, and he should have been miles ahead??

@euanaitken3890

6 жыл бұрын

OK Benz... Clearly you are seeing something i am not, and you will not be convinced (by me) otherwise. And you are of course entitled to that opinion (only Graham will be able to tell you the truth) but likewise i am entitled to mine which is 1/Chemmy gets the better start and the only thing keeping Dinger in the race from there to the first bump is his greater strength making up for his lesser technique..... thus the reason he is still in it, neck and neck at the first bump. From there on in Chemmys better technique just stretches her away. 2/ Saying he skied like an amateur is super harsh he skied pretty well and you would be amazed how average skiing any course can make even the best skiers. Especially head to head in duel slalom like this and it only gets harder to hold you form (just like sprinters) when you are behind as you tighten up ... 3/ carving skis have indeed been around for 25 (ish years) the Elan MBX being the first sub 30m radius ski as i remember in about 1991 / 92 when they started turning up at Scandinavian events. i remember being gobsmacked at them. These lead to the first recognized carving skis the following season (first ones on sale in shops were the Elan SCX in about 93 iirc) 4/ Graham retired in the late 90s iirc after competing at 5 Olympics (84, 88, 92, 94 and 98) so he spent the bulk of his career skiing in the era of non Carving (straight skis) Yes he knows the modern technique, yes he can carve a beautiful turn on a craving ski but ...... in a race course, when he is behind, he will like all of us..... resort to his old habits. Also carving skis were really not used early on for downhill so i am betting Graham hardly raced on them at all, other than when he and his brother would make there annual pilgrimage to support the Scottish FiS Champs at home and the British Champs abroad something he and Martin were excellent at doing. My call is .. the race was real, Graham was trying, and Chemmy beat him ... but it wasn't fair :) A fair race would have been Chemmy vs Alan Baxter (sorry Chemmy my money is on Alan) or Graham vs Lesley Beck ... and i am still betting Lesley would have beat Graham on that course :) Put them all down "Any" downhill course in the world ... and Graham would at least have had a chance ... and my bet would be on him to win. Its been an interesting conversation but i think ill wrap it up now and just allow us to each have our own opinions .... Your KZread tag tells me you at very least know the favorite saying of one of Scottish (and Austrian) skiing's greatest characters, and it made me smile to remember him today .... and for that i thank you :)

Yeah right, he clearly wasn’t trying.

@euanaitken3890

6 жыл бұрын

anyone who knows Dinger "knows" that is just not true :) he is a racer he will always race Chemmy is technically just a better, younger skier, who skied multiple disciplines and was brought up skiing on modern carving skis and can use them more effectively than he can ...... Dinger was a specialist downhiller who whilst still being a decent slalom and GS skier in his own right seldom skied those disciplines and stuck to what he was good at (going fast) All good fun and good on Dinger for taking on what he must have known was a lost cause :) if he won no one would be patting him on the back and it was always likely he would lose this one.

@Benzknees

6 жыл бұрын

Euan Aitken - Allcott may once have been more of an all rounder and have competed more recently (if 8 yrs ago is ‘recent’) but that is irrelevant. You can see right from the start that Bell doesn’t even try to beat her out of start, where clearly his strength would be a massive advantage. Then he gets no proper angle on the skis thru the turns, to accelerate them out into the next turn, when he knows full well the correct technique.

I find ski Sunday not the same to watch the presenters so boring. Alcott screaming all the time when skiing have to turn sound down

BBC SKI GONE WOKE