Quick tip: set the playback speed to .25 in the settings I just want to echo the comments praising this video. Thumbs ups and thanks for posting. Still working on my basic technique, this is really helpful to progress even further. One tip for those of us who struggle a bit seeing what is actually happening at full (normal) speed, you can set the playback speed to .25 in the settings. Makes it a whole lot easier to see the the differences in the transitions.

Nice skiing. "Ski into counter" is IMO the most elegant and efficient way to ski. The counter is natural and happens, almost automatically with the torque provided by an active inside ski. While one can counter first, as illustrated, I feel it momentarily gives up precise control and power and requires an "artificial" countering. While one may use either or a "blended" counter, the thing with the blended counter is that it still requires an active inside ski... probably the most overlooked aspect in ski instruction.

Beautiful skier . Magical to watch .

I have a habbit of rotating my body into my left turn and because of it my skis skid out, but not with my right turn, and it bugged me no ends. After watching this video and trying countering into the turns, this has really help me reduce rotating into my left turn! And I realised that with my right turn, I was naturally countering into the turns. Your videos have been a great help, thank you!

@Triggerboy62

4 ай бұрын

Wow, the best feedback I could get. And so glad the videos have been helpful. Cheers, T

Thank you...I learned in the 1980s so right with you!

@Triggerboy62

2 жыл бұрын

You are so welcome! Glad you enjoyed the video and could relate. We are maybe getting labeled a bit but who cares. Skiing is fun :)

Interesting video. I think of countering as a way to preserve momentum in the upper body, and trade it to apply front pressure near the apex... very nice video

@Triggerboy62

3 жыл бұрын

Great point!

I'm a good skier but I'm always trying to get better. I'll be watching this video a bunch of times so I can work it out next time I'm on my mountain. Thanks.

Awesome skiing! Would you mind to explain a little more about those actions, what are they and how are they? like counter (a desk?), anticipated (expected?), banking (leaning inside?), hip dump (throw away? where?), park&ride, etc.

@Triggerboy62

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks and thanks for asking. Let me try: COUNTER: when you turn your upper body out towards the outside of the turn. A form of upper body ROTATION. Upper and lower body SEPARATION. Upper and lower body moving independently to each other. ANTICIPATION: at the end of a turn if you are COUNTERED with your upper body and you start the next turn by NOT turning your upper body from facing slightly DOWNHILL, because that is where your upper body is facing if you COUNTER through out a turn, to facing towards the outside of the new turn straight away. In such case you would turn your upper body to face not only to the outside of the turn but also UPHILL as well. As your turn progresses, at some point your skis are going to square up with your upper body's DOWNHILL orientation and if you hold on to your upper body position and let the skis go on turning while your upper body is still facing DOWNHILL, then you will be COUNTERING again. This is by the way called "skiing into COUNTER". ANTICIPATION at the end of the turn is also referred to as "holding on to your COUNTER". BANKING: when you are leaning inside the turn and something bad happens. Not all "leaning into the turn" is BANKING because we need to be leaning into the turn to turn when we are carving. That is how we turn. By leaning. This we often refer to as INCLINATION. So leaning is INCLINATION when something bad does not happen. INCLINATION becomes BANKING ins such case that you put too much weight on your inside ski and end up not weighting and pressuring your outside ski enough causing skidding and skis not performing optimally. Usually it is the lack of ANGULATION that causes BANKING. ANGULATION is the upper body leaning outwards from the hip up. COUNTER is the rotation of the upper body, ANGULATION is the sideways leaning of the upper body. HIP DUMP & PARK AND RIDE: when you INCLINE, ANGULATE and COUNTER, all the good stuff, but you do it in a static kind of way. All these movements should be continuous and smooth. They are movements, not positions. This is what you should be doing: you INCLINE into the turn while you are at the same time applying COUNTER as the turn progresses. As you hit the fall line at apex and you think you have INCLINED enough your start to straighten your shoulder line by ANGULATING. Your INCLINATION will stop and you will be shifting most of your weight to the outside ski. Your edge angles will increase a bit and as you start to act against gravity as your skis turn from running into the fall line to instead running away from the fall line turn forces will increase and when done correctly you will be pulled out of your turn and not fall to the inside. A HIP DUMP would be you dumping your hip into the turn at the start of the turn by INCLINING, ANGULATING and COUNTERING all at once and then doing nothing. Same with PARK AND RIDE but in the case of PARK AND RIDE you do not necessarily DUMP YOUR HIP. You just do a bit of everything at once and then you passively just stand there and ride the skis for the whole turn through. Sometimes PARK AND RIDE people do have a lot of edge angles and are making impressive turns but if scrutinized by instructors they will be flamed. Note, even great skiers PARK AND RIDE sometimes as they are lazy or just want to be super passive. This element is always there, waiting to be activated. Hope this helps. If not, just ask. T

@L0VSKY

3 жыл бұрын

Triggerboy62 That is an EXCELLENT description. I'm a lvl 2 (Canadian) instructor, and I bow to you, in gratitude! 🇨🇦👏🏼

@trouts4444

3 жыл бұрын

@@Triggerboy62 The writeup is excellent. Hip dump versus inclination was always a puzzle. Thanks.

@fatdoudou

3 жыл бұрын

@@Triggerboy62 The best explanation ever seen on this topic. Should write into a textbook

A great exercise taught to me by my #1 mentor Mike Sodergren in the mid 90s at Squaw Valley, was the reverse traverse.While traversing, mentally draw a parallel line from the tips of skis up through the body keeping the hips shoulders and hands all parallel to the tips of your skis.Then add a turn shape progression from traverse to rounded turns with a slow progression from long to short radius .Then add it to your warm up exercise routine on your first run of the day.When you think you got it change the pitch, snow conditions and terrain.Be patient and HAVE FUN !!!

I would no more coach an athlete to ski like that than to ski totally on their inside ski. Both faulty technique. Swinging and twisting like we see is adding excess movement that doesn't belong in competitive skiing. In my humble opinion

@Triggerboy62

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. Can you be more specific. Chris is skiing in 3 different ways I think. Using both upper body counter and rotation. And 3-way separation. Which doesn't belong in competitive skiing?

@jagers4xford471

3 жыл бұрын

@@Triggerboy62 My impression was you were having skiers purposely ski counter at the top of the turn as to say, this is how to start a turn. There are many forms of agility drills, skiing counter is of course one of them. Skiing counter is an ancient old school form, Stein Eriksen era. I ski with examiners on occasion, I've have in depth conversations on the topic of counter. I would video their skiing showing them the only two times they counter is, 1) In transition 2) Caught off balance hoping to recover. Counter should not be confused with "lead" by the way. Using counter as a drill to impress on your athlete the imbalance inherent in that body position then show ways to recover from it, is perfectly fine. Look at any WC skier, they face with lead, where they are going. I hope this clarifies my comment....

This is great and very interesting! I’ve been following Alice Robinson’s skiing for a few years now. She’s such a powerful skier and I’ve been trying to to figure out what she is doing with her upper body and arms! This seems to be it, particularly in GS!?

@Triggerboy62

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching. You are perfectly right. Countering is a hugely misunderstood skill. It plays a major role and it looks like ski racers in particular has re-discovered this technique in later years. It was banned 20 years ago. Cheers, T

Throughout the video there are many sections where the outside ski arm is beside or in back of the body. You are still fluid and smoother so you have adapted to that and adjust other parts to compensate. I think the skier is TigerBoy or Chris. Both of you should not have an arm problem (because you both are excellent skiers) so this video might be old video. Counter versus hip-dump is not explained well on the net. Swinging the arm like that in a turn is call "wiping the counter" at Mount Snow Racing Academy in Vermont USA and considered a big fault in race form. It is just as unacceptable in all mountain free skiing unless you are skiing in a terrain park. The video mentions an exaggerated "punch" to the front in the last part of the turn which is good but that should start from the arm in front to more in front versus from beside or behind the body.

@trouts4444

5 жыл бұрын

@@JB91710 Are you a member of the Pugski forum? Lots of interesting discussions. This one is about inside outside ski presssure/ballance/weighting www.pugski.com/threads/weight-on-outside-ski-or-inside-ski.14339/

I prefer the ski into counter. Also, when you feature the squared up stance you should mention the free counter that comes with tip lead of the uphill or inside ski.

@Triggerboy62

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't know it was called "free counter". That natural counter that comes off standing on a slanted hill with a bit of tip lead and keeping that same angle at our knees, hips and shoulders. Thanks for mentioning that anyway. Some things are too obvious to be acknowledged by guys like me. I will keep that in mind. Cheers, T

@jamesdunn2214

2 жыл бұрын

@@Triggerboy62 Whether you refer to the counter or natural or free is irrelevant. Either will do. I think of it as free because you don't have to do any " work" to have it. 8-)

@Triggerboy62

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesdunn2214 I like your definition, I need to start using it :)

Perfect!

@Triggerboy62

2 жыл бұрын

:)

Counter/separation is what separates the good racers from the not so good. My problem has always been trying to get around the gate in such a hurry that I don't counter throughout the turn and therefore lose my edge angles.

@rustyme1122

5 жыл бұрын

@@Triggerboy62 Too slow of a transition is another of my problems. Do you have a vid addressing that? Any tips on how to get quicker?

Still a lot of hip rotation, counteraction is not a position, but a movement that needs to be done throughout the turn, all the way to release and INTO the transition. The center of his upper body should face his outside boot when he releases the edges. The need for CA increases with the angles, that's why you can't ever stop this movement as long as you increase edge angles. The outside arm is driven forward to set up counteraction early for the next turn, and should never be done before release, the rebound should come from flexion alone, and a better cue is to drive the new inside shoulder and hip forth after the release of the old turn. This is critical because early extension of outside arm at edge release unwinds the counter, increases risk of tail slipping under tough conditions, slows down CA for the next turn due to longer range of motion to get back in a countered position, and most importantly, it makes it really hard to balance on the little to edge of of the new outside ski during transition into the next turn. The consequence of not balancing on the little toe edge of the new outside ski is a stem at release, a slower transition, and a poor initiation into the next turn. Angry mother drills (hands on hips), no pole drag drills and especially phantom javelins are excellent to get the counter through the entirety of the turn. CUES: you should feel more and more core tension on the inside of your body (hip muscles, stomach, shoulder) as the turn progresses. Hold tension during transition, then the moment the new inside ski gets tilted to a angle, uncoil (it feels like an uncoiling motion of the abdominals) and increase counteraction the other way. If you've ever done a golf swing you know how the feeling should be, it's the exact same movement.

Nice video! Quick question: at 3:42 you say "Remember to keep your hips from being dragged out of position", what exactly is this position of the hips you speak of? A video on counter vs hip-dumping would be awesome! Thanks for the content

@JarHeadGryphon

5 жыл бұрын

@@Triggerboy62 Ah that makes more sense, thanks for clarifying!

If you could put some potential kinetic energy into your turns they would be great.

@Triggerboy62

8 ай бұрын

Thaks for the tip. Have you seen newer videos of Chris? Please check for better kinetic energy issues. Thanks in advance. Cheers Tom

Good info, I find myself thinking what our mogul coach (several World Cup freestyle and at least two in the Olympics Morgan Schild and Jon Lillis) said to drive with the hips and always face upper body DOWN the hill... hmmmm🤔 sounds familiar!!! So I will take this info and a previous videos info and use my mogul training and agility on this Wednesday night adult league race!!! Thanks!! #Bristolrocks #smallhillbigheart #bumpskierscanracegates ski instructors challenge accepted!! 30yrs in the bumps and decided I am so involved in our ski resort I need to try GS... the snowboard lesson resulted in my buying a HELMET..😂🙄

@Triggerboy62

4 жыл бұрын

Nice. Keep up your good spirit and smoke the competition. Anyway, when zipping down the zipper line or flushing gates keep your upper body facing downhill. When going across, use counter for better balance and edge hold.

@rickparshall

4 жыл бұрын

Triggerboy62 flex them legs to keep upper body stable and look 3bumps ahead in moguls..

@rickparshall

4 жыл бұрын

Triggerboy62 here's our kids training.. that's the lift with the zipperline under it I mentioned😁 kzread.info/dash/bejne/gId5o9GLdNHPaNI.html

@jayr601

4 жыл бұрын

@@rickparshall ]

Now look at Hirscher, Schiffrin and Veith for instance. They hold their counter in transition.

A noob question: Is "skiing into counter" similar to the concept/idea of keeping the upper body "still" in the fall line (whilst letting the lower body do the turns)?

@GeroLubovnik

4 жыл бұрын

Jean... If you allow the inside ski to be the guiding and active ski, you WILL ski into counter, as the inside ski requires an opposing force to "counter" the movement of that inside ski. Your body's mass moving down the hill will provide enough stability to allow the inside ski to turn or edge. Consequently the inside ski and stable (quiet) body are the yin-yang that work in harmony together. What one must realize is that "pre-countering" you are simply turning away from the next turn, but in affect you are providing torque (albeit limited) with "rotation after countering". Granted, one can rely on that and the skis' sidecut on edge to do the turn, but you give up some power and control and precision.

супер!!!

Can you make a video on getting your hips forward? My coach constantly is telling me to get my hips forward and am hoping a visual can better help with this. Love the videos.

@AlpineMeister

5 жыл бұрын

Why would so many ski coaches get stuck with get your hips forward. Not one of those coaches asked the skier to put a little pressure on the front of the boots thats about all the hips forward you get about 1 inch of movement is the difference between this seeming hips ok to " get the hips forward". A little more continuous presure on the balls of the feet again you feel the front of the boot. If you had to could you increase the forward lean in your boot. top cuff adjustment.

@csn345

5 жыл бұрын

@@AlpineMeister How does one make a top cuff adjustment, pressuring the top of my boots and balls of my feet is something I have been told. For example, my coach talks about scrunching up my toes to get that feeling of the pressure on my balls of my feet.

@AlpineMeister

5 жыл бұрын

@@csn345 Take 30 seconds and walk on your toes let the front of your foot become a platform that you could jump up and down from. Are you still in balance did the upper body move around a lot or did it behave and it let you keep jumping. Can you achieve any front foot platform presence like this in your ski boots. Some ski boot upper shafts are just too vertical to let this happen that's when we can put a wedge in the top cuff behind the calf or actually reset screws or rivets to create more forward lean in their boots. If we can get to the platform area can we ski with this same sense of a front of foot platform. If this is all ok and we still aren't getting there then do you have a sense of legs hips feet being ahead of you or behind you, if behind then we probably need to see you ski to get much further.then we need to ask where your upper body is and how much bending at the waste you experience.

@csn345

5 жыл бұрын

@@Triggerboy62 Why don't you have a spoiler if it helps tilts your boots more forward and gets you into a squatting motion which is a good thing right? The is what I picked up in the how to get your hips further back.

@csn345

5 жыл бұрын

@@AlpineMeister If your hips are forward aren't your feet behind you?

Would you mind expanding what you mean by "anticipated and ski into counter"? Thanks. Attempting to watch the video a number of times to absorb as much as possible. Appreciate your taking the time.

@sethjturok

5 жыл бұрын

Really appreciate the very detailed response. Tremendous help. @@Triggerboy62

Triggerboy62 very interesting video. Am I correct in thinking that Chris is not used to starting the turn anticipated and then skiing into counter because I could not see him do it in the demo, he seemed to always be countered at the start of the turn although not as countered as he was in the countered demo?

@Triggerboy62

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, you are correct. The demo is not really that clear. It's also hard for guys like Chris to suddenly on command ski a certain way while keeping many other things in mind. But in my opinion Chris is skiing with quite a bit of anticipation at the start of the turn as you can see in the Kristofferen video. Or at least that is what I think. Maybe the anticipation in the video is not really that visual but if you compare it to the countered demo then there is a clear difference. Im really suffering here not being able to get out on snow and testing things out. I bet you feel the same. But thanks for the comment. We need to be more visual in our demos. Its good to be reminded of that once in a while. Thanks.

A winter upper body is needed. Come the top with no hop.

@grizzkid795

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, good to have a winter body, as you don't get so cold.

With shaped skis the technique seems to change every five to seven years or so. First they wanted skiers to counter, then they said no have your body aligned with the arc of the turn throughout, now it's back to countering. Would somebody please make up their mind about this or just tell us to rail the edges along the entire arc however you can figure out how to do that?

@Triggerboy62

4 жыл бұрын

I feel your pain. Im myself in the Counter Camp as I never prescribed to skiing totally square to the skis as you mention was the way to go at some point in time. To me there are only two right kind of ways to rotate your upper body: traditional counter where your upper body is facing towards the outside of the turn (and in short turns such as in the bumps, upper body facing straight down the fall line the entire time) and 3-way separation where you counter like you normally do but you turn your shoulders in the direction you are skiing but leave your hips pointing into the turn (used for GS type turns where you turn across the hill). The reason for all this confusion is that there are a lot of people out there teaching wrong stuff because they never really learned to ski with proper technique in the first place.

I really like the term Hip Counter, because there is almost never a time for full upper body counter. Understandably, most people think of these movements in terms of the skier being mostly upright. Things change when the legs are extremely inclined. The outside leg is rotated to keep the tip engaged. That leg rotation requires a mass to lever against in order to be effective. The mass is provided by the uncountered upper body, even though the hips are countered for angulation. Kind of like the cotton reel/elastic band/match stick tanks kzread.info/dash/bejne/lpqgpa9ydKrKiJM.html

Great video.... Any tips/drills how to explain all the technical info to a 10 year old who has half the technique but can’t effect the load transfer into the second part of the turn and tends to ride the inside ski too long in the turn.

@Triggerboy62

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and thanks for asking. You should not explain to a 10y old anything. You should give them drills. Never point out their flaws. Just give them drills to practice. That is your job as an instructor and coach: know what drill fixes what problem. Check out my 14 Essential Drills for Ski Racers. 10y is a bit young for the Javelin Turn drill but it could be a good option. Its worth a try. Check my 3 LEVELS OF CARVING video for drills at level 2. Its also good to practice the airplane wedging drill. Kids needs to get into their system that they should be leaning out in the turn. If they don't do it when wedging they will not do it when carving. I was surveying jr practice just the other day with one such case. A girl. The coach ordered the Super Man Drill but that did not work because she still made the exact same movements only pointing her arms in different directions. I asked if I could ski with her for a while and we worked on the Airplane Wedging Drill. Actually the "reverse" airplane drill because an airplane banks the other way around. That helped her out a lot. Also standing downhill from her and grabbing hold of the ski poles that were held horizontal in front. And pulled her downhill. I taught her to edge and resist the pull. After some fails it was impossible to pull her downhill. I also made 3 runs in front of her to show the right movements as we skied. I still think this is one of the best way of conveying the message in drills. Hope this helps. Tom

@tabphilip669

4 жыл бұрын

Many thanks, will put it into practice if we ever get back on snow...!!!

@Triggerboy62

4 жыл бұрын

@@tabphilip669 we will get back on snow next year. I promise :)

Watching this again and got a question: when you say square up to our ski at our shoulders at the end of the turn is WC technique. Is it gs or sl tech? Is there any difference for counter between gs and sl?

@Triggerboy62

2 жыл бұрын

It really does not matter. It is more about what kind of turn you want to make. The more you go across the slope the more you need to square up to your skis with your shoulders. In freeskiing it works great. Cheers, Tom

If you look at the picture for this video, you see what I mention. There's an overagressive CA at the start of the turn (also CB is off, weight already on inside foot), and a fading CA at the finish. The progression should go the other way: the amount of CA needed is proportional to the amount of edge angles you create. Phantom javelins are excellent both for CB (counterbalance) and progressive CA, I recommend it warmly as a drill. The essentials of skiing are simple, yet the execution is a life-long challenge. An enjoyable challenge, but unmistakably difficult.

@grizzkid795

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I noticed it, but couldn't quite put it into words. Too much counter rotation at beginning of turn and not enough at end, and kind of a hip dump or something going on, like things are happening too early and then there is a spot in the middle where he gets locked up. And then there is the arm throw back, which may not be bad by itself, but leads to other unwanted movements. Like I said, I can't explain it well.

@gu5907

4 жыл бұрын

We'll spotted! And oh, it's very bad in and of itself, and is partially why it's so dangerous to extend the inside arm medially at the end of a turn, it unwinds a strong inside structure of the upper body (the inside structures, from the free foot and up, are the most important thing in skiing!), of which the inside arm and shoulder are the most at risk. A skilled skier can still isolate hip counter, but what's above is harder. This is why I don't understand the focus on the outside arm drive. It risks ruining shoulder counter, hip counter and a strong inside arm. WC athletes have insane core isolation abilities after years of getting the fundamentals right and even they only allow outside arm drive on easy terrain where they can use a quick OFR.

To under stand countering you must understand counterbary… start thinking...NOW!

@Triggerboy62

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, will do. However, what is "counterbary"?

@kenrehill8775

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, what the hell is counterbary?

@MrDogonjon

3 жыл бұрын

@@kenrehill8775 Counterbary starts with baryons, the particles and fields of the standard model that are attractive to each other and clump together spontaneously due to mutual time dilations, EM , strong nuclear force . Counterbary is the resistance to compaction of baryons by forming systems and structures to create and maintain differential time dilations. commonly called life forms like plants, trees are counterbary as are mountains (not life forms per say but vital to water cycles and life.) once you under stand that by standing you are countering differential time dilation, activating a series of linear accelerators and baryonic compaction you will realize that balance is just as fictional as gravity., centrifugal and centripetal force and angular momentum. Your perception of your local frame of reference varies greatly from an observers perspective. Now that we have that out of the way what do you call Inertial frames of reference? Falling? Next Question? 'what the finlay kind of answer is that?" The answer is a smart ass one designed to flabbergast know it alls and make narcissist's rage... how do you rate your self on that spectrum?

@MrDogonjon

3 жыл бұрын

@@kenrehill8775 Sorry I spent a lot of time not skiing this year and the long haul has left me consistently delusional. Unfortunately all of my delusions turn out to be actual things and as i lie nauseated in my fever sweat my mind races through all the physics that goes int skiing and I can tell you with certainty we all got it all wrong...no one talks about Special Relativity and that is Einstein's Happiest Idea for a good reason and we professional movement makers should think about that too...

You two are excellent skiers so I don't get the hand back parts but that is a minor thing. This is an excellent video done very well. It is always possible to nitpick a skiing video as there is so much going on and just about impossible to stuff it all in withing a reasonable time. You would need a film crew, multiple angles and on and on. For the intended purpose the video is fantastic. I've watched it a few times and will watch it many more over the next few days. The opening mirror images are super, excellent touch. Great stuff Triggerboy.....

can you do a video on the transition between turns?

@tjgraham2297

5 жыл бұрын

@@Triggerboy62 the only two i know are the absorb and the hip thruster, really im curious when the turn should be completed and how the transition should go in course.

@tjgraham2297

5 жыл бұрын

@@Triggerboy62 pushing hips forward to start new turn on shovel of ski

@nielsduquet1944

5 жыл бұрын

@@tjgraham2297 You mean: Cross-over vs cross-under. Cross-over is pushing the center of mass over the ski's, by extending the future outside leg. Cross-under is the crossing of the ski's under a stable body by flexing both legs simultaniously during the transition. I'm not the best demo skiër, but here I tried both techniques: -> Cross-over: kzread.info/dash/bejne/oIhms7Gan9Tdg9Y.html -> Cross-under: kzread.info/dash/bejne/jKOH1KSfcbfIdNY.html

@trouts4444

5 жыл бұрын

@@Triggerboy62 Someone else asked but I'll add: Slalom transitions where the gate distance, angle between them and pitch of the slope allows the gates to be run 1. in a more tall upright stance and 2. when the course is too fast between gates to get high so the skier is low with deep knee flex.

@nicolasphamdinh

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video. I had never seen this described in details like this and found the subject confusing. This clarifies it a great deal. Keep up the good work!

Nicely done in separating these components and to ident what one or the other looks like. I'd look forward to your insight on the transition if possible. I regard the transition as the turn and everything else is gravy. There is some part of a ski turn where you are balancing on an fine ribbon ( the gravy ) and your skis are on the right side of your core. You have used much of your upper body counter though this curvy part of a ski turn up to the point of changing edges. Every counter maneuver tactic you employed that went against the condition of BEING 2 FOOTED at the start of a transition became an awkward ski moment for the demonstrator. The very next frame body over the skis and look the skis are now are your left side of core. I see 80% of the effort of a ski turn is making this happen with strength balance and purpose. Bipeds on skis make better platforms from both feet. If you were standing still trying to make one jump, no steps, would you jump from one foot or two.

@trouts4444

5 жыл бұрын

Can your clean up or restate what you have written to be understandable?

@AlpineMeister

5 жыл бұрын

I was trying to demonstrate that the transition represents most of the big muscle movements and that you should move the body over the skis using a 2 footed platform from which your video provides some truth

@AlpineMeister

5 жыл бұрын

JB91710 Really you and Jack just rewrote the book eh, in between bar stools. This video is about actions that COULD take place not so much about what any skier should do it's about having an open mind. The volumn of your claims are completely without physical proof. From the very notion of a quiet upper body you completely ignore the Dynamics of motion. The upper body is proactive when it moves correctly good things happen. When rotation happens correctly the skis maintain a turn. Call it what you want but I got though to every one in 20 words. No encyclopedia. Try and walk without first moving your upper body ...balance..out of balance catch your balance next step.

@AlpineMeister

5 жыл бұрын

@@JB91710 Honestly you can't distinguish between waxing though some imaginary concepts and trying to make legitimate statements on skiing theory when asked I took my Waxing and presented a useful 20 word statement. Your no fun to talk to.

Hi Tom ,this video a bit confusing for me. I understand counter in to the turn, ant this is how I learn to ski after watching your video couter to the turn. So did Im geting it right, my hip still counter to the turn when upper body coutering oposite way and it at some point turned square to the hips?

@Triggerboy62

Жыл бұрын

Counter is really just an expression for turning your upper body facing down hill while skiing across the hill. However, we can start countering right after edge change and as we counter at this point in the turn our upper body will not be rotated downhill but actually uphill. Only after our skis turn through the fall line to head in the opposite direction our "counter" opens our upper body to face downhill. So, to solve this dilemma, we instead of instructing to counter downhill to counter towards the outside of the turn. Which can be uphill or to the side of the slope. Your upper body can be divided into two parts, your hips and your shoulders. The traditional way to counter is to turn your entire upper body to face the outside of the turn. In the advanced example you counter only with your hips. After you turn your hips into the turn to open them up to face the outside of the turn, rotate your shoulders back in the direction your skis are pointing. This will create a cork screw type of posture where your shoulders and hips are rotated opposite each other. But if you do not counter at the start of the turn, instead you hold on to the counter from previous turn, facing downhill with your upper body, creating tension between upper and lower body that then aligned with each other at apex of the turn before then rotating into counter again we call it ANTICIPATION. Holding on to your counter at the end of the turn and squaring up at apex to then ski into counter. Makes sense? Cheers, Tom

@MrArunasB

Жыл бұрын

Yes, thanks Tom Again! After rounding this in my head and expermenting by walking the turns with lower and uper body movements as described I finaly get it. To be earnest, I was sometimes skiing like that already just didint clearly understood whats actualy hapening. And you made my day today. Cant wait to try it properly out on the slope.

@MrArunasB

Жыл бұрын

Hello Tom! Tryed this dril today on the slope. As I said earlier, some times I was skiing in short moments like this but coudint understand whats realy happening. Now I understand. When I get my hips ant upper body ringt, you get good feling when you unwind, more control of outside ski and better feling. Need to prace this more, still hard for me to get upper body seperation all the time, only on short periods, but the main thing for me that I have solid understanding, and now just matter of practice miles on the slope. Thanks again!

A tip of the hat is due to the Father of the Upper Body Counter (Not to mention Freestyle Skiing & Inverted Aerials ), the legendary Stein Eriksen. Photo: mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/kpcw/files/styles/x_large/public/201512/stein_eriksen_-_credit_dv_resort.jpg Video: The Legend in Action kzread.info/dash/bejne/a3-EmcSEiMvUhco.html

@Triggerboy62

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the links. Yes, Stein was the ultimate skier! Should be mentioned in such a video, you are right. Thanks.

@ArcFixer

4 жыл бұрын

@@Triggerboy62 Moved to Park City in 1983 to be a full time ski bum. Stein was at Deer Valley, so the only place I ever saw him was the grocery store. He even bought groceries with style. I also hit quite a few golf balls into his back yard on the Park City Golf Course. But over the last ten years I worked in his ski shop at Stein Eriksen Lodge off & on, and got to know him a tiny bit. He was not only cool enough to be the man that made skiing cool, he was very sweet. A true Legend.

Letting your arm and pole go behind you uphill is bad form - you'll end up tail weighting your skis. Keep arms forward facing downhill so you'll keep your skis center weighted.

@MrDogonjon

4 жыл бұрын

He wasn't creating a platform so his affect was to swing his arm back so to simulate countering which didn't actually happen that way. We counter the compaction of baryons beneath our mass energy stress tensor... counterbary. creating a platform to stack our mass energy stress tensors above creating smooth flowing movement affecting gravitic vectors....dynamic counterbary. It's "The New Way to Ski" by Willie Schleffler 1953

@Triggerboy62

4 жыл бұрын

Interesting. A google search gave me no information of the publication you are referring to. I also never heard of "counterbary"....

WOW, ONE OF THE BEST VIDEOS I HAVE EVER SEEN, HOPEFULLY IT WON'T BE LOST ON MOST PEOPLE AS THEY ARE TOO LAZY TO STUDY IT AND SPEND TIME WITH THIS VIDEO, THAT' WHY THEY WILL ALWAYS SKI LIKE CRAP. BUT THUMBS UP FROM ME, FANTASTIC VIDEO!!!!

How do I go from beginner pizza french fry to carving this ski season?

@Triggerboy62

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching my video and for asking such a great question. Carving is not a beginner technique so you would have to learn some basic parallel skiing techniques before flying down the hill like a World Cup racer. However, it is not only a technique question as you would have to learn how to balance on your skis. How your upper body reacts to the skis sliding over the terrain with its bumps and ice patches. Also, how slopes are formed and how you can spot steeper sections and prepare and how to avoid crashing with other skiers. This is something you will learn on your way to becoming a better skier. Start out by looking and practicing the basic wedging techniques described in this video 3 Levels of Wedging: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nWGVxKqQlZrdlqg.html After nailing that pressure shift by leaning out over your outside ski without altering the edge angles of your skis keeping your hips nicely into the turn move on to the video 3 Levels of Parallel Skiing: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qaGNzbixcrjJgMo.html It demonstrates basically what you are asking for, how to go from wedging to carving. Once you feel comfortable with stem turning (turning in a wedge but bringing your skis parallel at the end of the turn) if you want to skip the Basic Parallel Turn, you can jump straight to my Learn how to Carve video here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/doitrcymdtKWlLA.html I have seen people jump onto carving too soon. I've seen people try to start skiing by carving and its not a good ide. The best way is to take it slow and go through the progression in the 3 Levels of Parallel Skiing including the Basic Open Paralle Turn. One interesting thing with carving is that you need to start doing it on very easy terrain. European Green. Then once you get the hang of it you can try it on European Blue slopes that are not crowded. If you ski with Open Parallel Turns you can easily ski European Red slopes (if you are an athletic person) but to carve on steeper terrain will take some time. Disclaimer, carving can be dangerous. Check out this video for some safety tips aimed at people like you for making your carving experience more enjoyable and safe for yourself and others: kzread.info/dash/bejne/h5uWt5Vxnc3Qmps.html I have loads of ski instruction videos. Check out my playlists for the level that suits you: kzread.info/dash/bejne/h5uWt5Vxnc3Qmps.html Hope this helps and if you have any further questions just ask. It would also be great to hear back from you after you go skiing and how well these videos and tips have helped you. reg Tom

@davidn.2555

3 жыл бұрын

@@Triggerboy62 Thank you so much. I plan on hitting the mountain next month and going through the steps, but the main goal is carving. And I'm 6'4" 190lbs/86kg i don't know how that affects my skiing. The first time I skied this January, my skis were so long and that interfered with my wedges although I later wedged multiple times successfully. Do you think I should use a little bit shorter ski than the one I used before?

@trouts4444

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidn.2555 How long was too long? 165 would likely be ok for you given your weight and height. Get rentals or buy a used ski you can sell later. The quality of ski is not a factor at your level. You can use just about anything. For a radius: 13-16, 70 to 80 as a ball park. An honest ski shop can size a ski for you easily.

Always when ski instructor does not understand ski-turns deeply enough, they explain things by the need of balance. Nobody understands the term, expression "balance" anyway, so it is an easy way for giving a reason to different things, like here to explain counter. You need counter in order to keep your balance and nobody will understand what that really means. What about this explanation: At the edge change we have to prepare the following turn. The skis must make a larger turn, around the body and the body will make a smaller turn than the skis. At the start of every parallel turn, the skis must be directed more to the edge of the run, in order to make a larger turn and the body must face more the fall-line than the skis do, in order to make a smaller turn than the skis will do.

@Triggerboy62

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Janos. Very good observation. However, I'm not really sure if your explanation is that much better, actually very confusing, but I like where you are going with this. We coaches and ski instructors hide behind the word "balance" too often. "Balance over the outside ski" for example. I need to do some research. Thanks for pointing it out and thanks again for watching and giving great feedback.

I'm sorry to contradict but I'm not seeing what I want to see in the video but it's an important topic so maybe I'm missing. Not looking to be mean but the skiing does not look correct. For example at 1:25 and many other instances the outside hand is back and far above the waist. The position is out of balance and the feet bobble. Also I am not sure why the outside hand is swinging through rather than staying quiet low and level while leading with the inside hand. It looks much different than the product I'm trying to produce with U10s for example. I always want the outside hand lower than the inside to create level shoulders at the apex of the turn.

@Triggerboy62

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting. Its totally ok to speak your mind and Im always exited when someone does. You are addressing the demo of "1. counter at the start of the turn". It requires you to square up at the end of the turn which I dont like at all because it promotes hip rotation and park and ride. Very passive skiing. Chris does not ski like this so when I forsed him to do the demo he missed out on a bunch of other things that you correctly picked out. Good work. Check "3 way separation" for Chris default skiing. Do you like that better or is there no difference?

@stevencooney9236

3 жыл бұрын

@@Triggerboy62 I will take a look. I understand what you were showing. Yes. NO counter at the switch of edges agreed. Whatever is done needs to be undone in the upper body to reset for the next turn or edge switch.

Is that a flame coming off your skis at 1.46? 😮

@Triggerboy62

4 ай бұрын

Wow, never saw that. The devil himself. But that is just a reflection off the spotlights. But it looks like a lightning :)

I do not see any differences between the 3 ways in the video, hard to understand.

@Triggerboy62

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. It can be a bit difficult spotting the difference and maybe Chris is not the best person to demo these techniques as he is not a coach, he is a racer and tends to do the correct movements. Anyway, it was a training session where we worked on the difference between: 1. Early counter where you rotate your upper body towards the outside of the turn right at the start before you come through the fall line. We call it the upside-down position as your are literally upside down facing uphill with your upper body. A side effect is that you need to "square up" to your skis at the end of the turn by bring your outside arm forwards so that you are rotating your upper body from facing downhill to facing uphill at edge change. 2. Skiing with "anticipation" keeping your upper body facing down the hill through out the whole progression. 3. A combination of both where you keep your hips into the turn rotated outwards at the end of the turn while you drive your outside arm forwards bringing your shoulders square to the skis. We call it 3-way-separation. 4. Skiing square as it is a false way of skiing and brings on lots of bad habits. Hopefully this helps. Tom

Those on the WC hold counter from the old turn through the transition, not what you are doing here, you can see this from your hand/pole position. harbskisysems.blogspot.com/2013/01/what-does-hold-your-counter-really-mean.html

@zknarc

5 жыл бұрын

Ah I see, thanks for clarifying!

Hard to read! Please talk

@Triggerboy62

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry, yes, I have to redo this one with a voice over now that I have a microphone. Check out my newer videos. Thanks for watching and for your comment. Much appreciated.

@hzhang454

4 жыл бұрын

@@Triggerboy62 Thank you! I will check more of your newer videos. Sorry I didn't know it is older one before you had a microphone. Thank you for teaching us!

Nope, off balance plus harder to find center. Counter is a transition move, not a center of the turn body position. He has the understanding of WC technique all wrong. The reason Ligity would swing his outside arm was to drive body weight to build inertia in the direction of travel.

@Triggerboy62

3 жыл бұрын

Yes of course, that is what Ligety was doing. Here we just try to explain 3 ways of how to use counter. The third variation would be how Ligety swung his arm forward, called 3 way separation. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment 👍

at 1:46 why is there sparks??

@Triggerboy62

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. Not sure what you are refering to. There is a flash transition between two clips at 1:46.

@MrG3ST

4 жыл бұрын

@@Triggerboy62 haha yes i just noticed . Nice skiing will try it next season

@KKevinnnn

4 жыл бұрын

If you ski properly there should be sparks from the speed of your edges shredding the snow

@Triggerboy62

4 жыл бұрын

@@KKevinnnn hahaa.... turning the slope on fire :)

@zviuk

Жыл бұрын

There is another one at 2:00 :)

Down with skiers! Long live snowboarding!!!

looks like my frozen left shoulder.

@saltercjeff

5 жыл бұрын

@@Triggerboy62 yes I have a damaged left shoulder , that looks like my move

@AkatarawaJapan

5 жыл бұрын

Triggerboy62: Thanks for all your work putting these vids together. Just recently discovered them. Chris is a zillion times better than I was at 17, but he does have lazy pole plants. Sometimes unlocking the wrist by scribing a wide arc in the air close to the snow bringing the pole tip well downhill almost ahead of the DH ski-certainly ahead of the boots-can be a useful trigger for more upper body fluidity without screwing up counter. So the poles are flared outwards like the two sides of a wide cone, rather than pointing straight back behind and in close to the skis like they tend to be here. Can get a feel for this by dragging both poles super wide; the wider they go, the more the wrists have to cock forward. But have to be sure to achieve this by getting the skis out wide arcing away from the body rather than breaking at the waist (something I struggled with). Anyway that’s my two cents worth. Would welcome your expert view.

Why? Its a wasted movement and a bad habit. Will cause a delay in your timing when a shorter turn is needed if that is your signature move. Otherwise known as the patrol roll. No don't do it. I'm referring to twisting the body up the hill before each turn. Skiing to a counter down the hill is good. I can't even watch this anymore.

@Triggerboy62

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. Glad you picked up on the general ide here. Yes, awful isnt it?

You know better than to push a tuttorial like this!!!

Trigger Your demo skiers have part of the picture. Why is their skiing still so awkward, with them frequently on their heels during turn initiation? Looks like they are thinking about body position rather than skiing. 1-Work on feeling where the pressure is located on the ski during the full turn. Skiing starts where the skis meet the snow! 2- You pop up --- sometimes completely off the snow--- during transitions. Good skiing is about engaging the edges with the snow and using the power thus developed to execute the turn. You can't do that successfully if you are in the air! Or if you try to pressure before you have developed sufficient edge angle to hold it. 3- Develop the ability to initiate the turn transition by "softening" the outside or long leg which moves the body center of mass across the turn radius without losing edge contact with the snow. Only use up initiation when softer or variable snow conditions demand it. 4- Think about pressing your skis against the snow rather than releasing them from it. 5 Engage the entire ski edge with the snow, especially being conscious of "hooking up" the forebody without skidding at the early portions of the turn when high G forces have not built up yet. 6- Look at how guys like Paul Lorenz, Riley McGlasen, and Harold Harb (at age 70) ski. Watching Marcel Hircher is fine as long as you remember he is from another planet!

@rich8304

5 жыл бұрын

You completely missed the point of the video. You will be far better served in your quest for skiing excellence when you learn to focus on the specific discussion stated in the video. Have fun!!!!

It's impossible to read and watch at the same time. Buy a microphone!

@Triggerboy62

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching my video and for your comment. I have now bought a microphone and in the future hopefully you will find many of my videos with a voice over. I already did some. Check out the Bootyband, Bumps and Short Turn videos. Those I did with various computer mics etc but now I have an active Rode mic for this purpose only.

@inquistive

4 жыл бұрын

Just pause the video! I much prefer the text as you can pause the screen and read it several times if necessary and then relate it to the action. You cannot do this with the spoken word.

sempre in ritardo sul cambio

@stuartcoles2677

5 жыл бұрын

Poi non fa avanzamento tra una curva e l'altra

E' tutta una smanaccata. Poco elegante.

This is bull shiiii.....................

@kountchev1

2 жыл бұрын

always nice to get the thumbs up by a hater.