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This episode is one of your best. You guys have hit on something with me and I’m hanging on every word. Three great set of eyes to analyze and simply explain the mechanics and what good skiing should feel and look like. Love it and passing it on in my lessons here in Maine, USA.

Discovered hiking in minimalist (barefoot) shoes last summer as a 54 year old. Noticed during this ski season just how much ankle and foot finesse had developed from freeing my feet to operate naturally. This video was fascinating and really helped me understand what was happening. You guys are game changers.

@kellyburgessart

3 жыл бұрын

Yes game changers!

This is the best! Very helpful.

Just love these type of videos. So much valuable information.

@SIAAustria

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback

Outstanding analysis! I love how this conversation was so thorough and non dogmatic.

@JB91710

3 жыл бұрын

No, it was a Horrific analysis. Not even close to correct.

@26:49 very nice indeed. Best run here to my eyes.

You guys hit topics well selected for good analysis. the comparison of short. and long turns was my level III teaching assignment. Love that much of your analysis video comes from my home hill Timberline/ Palmer. Then having a remote analysis with international discussion is eye opening... thanks.... across the world we were once disparate cults battling each other over who is "skiing right" . Now we are busting the old rules and wrong thinking psia HAS HAD SINCE 1961.iT IS HARD AND NO LIKES MY APPROACH BUT WE NEED A NEW ORGANIZATION IN USA... PSIA is not professional the operators are in the pocket of the conglomerates. WRONG!!!

@JB91710

3 жыл бұрын

I figured out that the PSIA was a Boy's Club Money Making Racket in 1971. No idea how to teach skiing but by creating Certification, they provided the Carrot that all teachers need to follow. Now they have a Fourth Level of Certification which is pulling in a mind boggling amount of money. I could teach a good skier everything they need to know about ski teaching in an hour. No, I didn't flunk certification, I was the youngest Certified ski instructor in the country. When I started to Think for myself two years later, I gave my pin away and stopped paying dues to the Kings. Oh and these guys? They were wrong in everything they said. Not one thing was what you are supposed to think about and do to allow your skis to turn.

Wow thanks so much! I learnt a lot watching and lisening to you guys. Keep the vidoes coming!

@SIAAustria

4 жыл бұрын

No problem at all Patrick. We are glad they could be of help!!

@JB91710

3 жыл бұрын

Problem is, they didn't teach you anything about skiing. Not one useful of correct comment.

This is gold.

...really well done! Very usefull technical discussion!

@SIAAustria

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Matteo, be sure to check out our other videos. there is also more videos to come

@JB91710

3 жыл бұрын

Yet, they explained nothing about skiing or what you saw in this video.

Just come across this site & wow, some great stuff here for advanced/expert skiers. But my favourite was 33:24 - making the turn from the feet up, as opposed to many skiers’ notion of starting the turn from the upper body down. I’ve found the body above adapts to the forces and angles established by the type of turn at the feet. And it helps support down unweighting & keeping pressure on the ski, as opposed to the intermediate up unweighting that unloads the skis.

@SIAAustria

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your feedback. :)

@JB91710

3 жыл бұрын

They are 100% WRONG in Everything they said. EVERYTHING!! Did your driving instructor teach you how to steer a car by talking about the steering rack or by rotating the steering wheel which in skiing is your UPPER body position at the start of a turn?

@Benzknees

3 жыл бұрын

@@JB91710 - Steering a car is a strange analogy. Car tyres don’t angulate relative to the road. And ‘steering’ by twisting the upper body round is surely what beginners typically do to skid the skis round.

@JB91710

3 жыл бұрын

@@Benzknees The steering wheel and it's rotation is what the car designers gave you to make a car turn. I'm not talking about steering with your shoulders to make your skis turn. I'm saying that where you put your upper body is what the designers of skis require from you which will allow the skis to make a new turn. Stopping the travel of your entire upper body from crossing the hill is what makes your legs lean over so when you change your weight from your downhill to your uphill ski, that ski will roll over and the ski will turn. Go to 2:50 At the left, he is balanced on his left foot and going across the hill with his skis. When he wants to make a new turn, he stops his upper body and gets off that left foot. You can see the leg angle changing. 29:50 The guy at the bottom. He is balanced on his left foot and going in the direction of the skis. Watch his upper body stop while his skis continue and then the leg angle change. Then he is on his right foot and he stops his body for the next turn. 30:00 Watch his body stop and the skis shoot out from under him. Read my main comment here.

My two cents: 1) Upper/lower body separation is missing. The skier is entering the turn “leaning” his body onto the turn instead of properly edging his skis and keeping his upper body steady throughout 2) he is also keeping his poles behind which keeps him on the back seat and therefore flattening his skis. This also contributes to an upper body rotation

Lots of fun reviewing this with you. Curious what you folks think of Harold Harb’s strategy of focusing on the inner foot/leg tipping, as you go into the transition, pulling the inside foot back and shortening the inside leg, which frees up the outside leg to tip and carve. Always making sure you are not dipping one’s shoulder into the turn. Worked like magic for me this past season.

@SIAAustria

3 жыл бұрын

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day! I certainly see the benefits of what you say and will introduce the topic in future breakdowns

@puregsr

8 ай бұрын

I'm convinced that unless you grew up skiing, most people can never imagine entering advanced skiing unless you release properly. Harb focuses on using your inside foot movement (similar to what these guys are talking about foot/ankle movement) to start a chain of movements and learn to anticipate/balance on your outside foot with pronation along with proper pelvis/torso position. I think a lot of us are overdoing the "drills" thinking that's what real skiing should be like and are here to learn the nuances of advanced skiing that just can not be conveyed to the masses without causing massive confusion

18:00... that’s why I advocate to learn ice skating... it’s exactly what he describes.... the Upper Body and Arms need to have freedom or otherwise it will be hard to handle the puck while playing ice hockey. For me the art I move while playing icehockey is pretty much the same as on ski

I loved every second of this! Thank you guys! I'm a high arch supinator with no neurological conditions, no hammer toes, flexibility mid and forefoot, I just can't pronate a lot. It's a powerful, somewhat unbalanced foot. Makes an early stiff lever in gait. I power everything (basketball, trail running, whitewater paddleboarding, downhill mountain biking) with foot wringing (mid foot rotation and fascial spiral line) and lateral cutting. I find very curved shoe lasts with tight midfoot (racing lasts) work for me. My question is why my ski boot fitters refuse to punch my boot to mimic a curved last. They do things to make my leg and foot fit the boot instead. I feel bow legged. I crush my sesamoids and medial first met head. It's not physiologic. I can't fascially tension my kinetic whip fast enough. Is it really true that I "can't ski with my foot like that"? (curved) I end up padding my boot for half an hour to mimic the curved last and with pressure on navicular and upper midfoot, cuboid pad underneath, heel free and everything feels natural and powerful. Super fun free energy. I'm also told my foot is "too strong" no idea what that means. But I didn't run this year in order to make me tibialis posterior less stiff so I my heel would be less inverted and I could pronate a bit better. Definitely gained some weight not running so maybe I can just create more impulse with my new weight if nothing else! Anyway, if you could explain to us underpronators why I can't have a curved last I'd appreciate it. I don't think I would overedge since it's essentially my neutral? Bootfitters want me to pronate more and I can't. I compensate with more eversion /inversion with fore foot rotation. I assume everyone does I just do it a little more. How would this hurt my skiing? Going to watch all your other stuff now. Then go for an opening day ski.

Really nice analysis with a few differing points by different analyzers. It seems to me that the yellow jacket skier develops the maximum pressure on his skis a bit late in the turn so he cannot retract and release the pressure smoothly through the transition. therefore his body moves upwards more than is necessary. This might even be the cause of not developing pressure to the outside ski early enough. What do you think?

The skier in the blue parka is in a contrived position that is static. I also see these contrived idealized positions when advanced skiers are trying to get rid of an A-frame and make railroad tracks. Most ski turns should be like an advanced turn made by a race car driver. The steering wheel is turned at a more or less constant rate until the apex of the turn is reached and is backed offed. Of course this analogy is only similar in that the turns are not static. Of course J turns in skiing are a different animal.

I wonder if shorter videos would be better? Like 10-15 mins on short turns or bumps or long turns. Would make it easier for me to find what i'm looking for specifically.

@SIAAustria

4 жыл бұрын

We do have in the planning something that may suit you. Meanwhile our bumps lessons are episode 4 and 5 are available.

I would like to understand better fore/aft movements relative to turns other than GS carved turns. In a rapid short turn sequence is there fore/aft movement, and if so, is it much more shortened than in the GS carved turn?

As usual, the point is missed by a mile. Symptoms are addressed rather than what causes them. They focus on what skiing looks and feels like instead o0f what you need to do to make it look and feel like that. To start a turn you lean and face your upper body down the hill as you change your weight from your downhill to your uphill foot. The skis do the rest. The first skier was doing that. The feet should have been closer together which would have made the weight transfer easier. 2:50 The photo to the right shows the skier stopping the movement of his upper body laterally and focuses it down the hill as he gets off his downhill foot. Because his body is now going down the hill, his uphill foot will instantly roll over onto the flat bottom of the ski. His legs will unwind now that his feet are no longer locked on the edge of his downhill ski and his skis will realign with the way his upper body is facing and then continue rolling over onto the inside edge or arch of his foot to complete the turn. 2:53 Sorry but No! You don't move your weight (COM) from the tip to the tail, you move your weight from the tips of your skis, Down The Hill to make your skis roll over. It FEELS, like you are back compared to where you were but you do not Teach what skiing feels like. You are forward and then back in the middle. Forward and then back in the middle. Not on the tail of your skis. The front tires of your car make the turn, not the rear tires. 3:00 This was gobbley gook not an explanation of How to allow your skis to turn. 3:16 Notice how his chest position starts the turn. You ski from your face and chest down, not from your skis up. In your car, do you rotate the steering wheel our try to make the steering rack work first? Your upper body as one unit, movies down the hill or into the turn to be in the right position for your skis to roll over and turn when you get off your downhill ski. 3:50 I give up. I can't listen to any more. He is teaching you how to steer your car by showing you the upright in your cars suspension.

You guys make this stuff way more complicated than it needs to be...its skiing for God's sake not rocket science! You guys are worried about position and form as opposed to functional skiing. Jeepers creepers...just tell your clients to come ski with a real coach who can show them in an hour or 2....you guys want a lifetime of lessons from these pooor people....ooof

@SIAAustria

2 жыл бұрын

When dealing with ski instructors it is important that they do know the science 101 behind skiing. Obviously for people like yourself it’s not necessary as you are not interested in understanding how the body works. That’s fine for you and many of our team keep it simple for people like you.

Talk too often without relevant images. Want to see your subject and hear your voice overlay. In most of your series 80 percent of visual is th podcaster not the podcast imagea