No child who is so out of control that he needs a parent with him in school (per the IEP) should be in a class with other children who need a reasonably calm and controlled atmosphere to learn. That's insane.

@denischabriddell986

Жыл бұрын

It sounds like if he had an IEP they weren't honoring it. So was he receiving the proper help he needed.

@natman2939

Жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly. I’ve never heard of a parent having to come to school with their children

@natman2939

Жыл бұрын

@@Joe-sg9ll What is racist? The person said that a child who has behavior provoked bad enough they need a parent with them in school shouldn’t be around other kids. What does that have to do with race? Is that something a particular race does regularly??? Because I’ve literally never heard of it. Ever. Please enlighten me.

@mp5249

Жыл бұрын

Welcome to public school. I had a special needs kid in my car for a field trip (unbeknownst to me) who was incredibly violent and had a full-time worker who didn't go with me and my INFANT IN MY CAR!! At one point he had threatened to stab us with a screwdriver he found in the car. He rode with his hands on top of his head. To get to the location. He was in kindergarten. Later removed from class for constant violent behaviors. This was over 20 years ago. Oh, he's in prison now.

@natman2939

Жыл бұрын

@@Joe-sg9ll so they won’t shoot people….

The kid was smart enough to bring the gun on the one day his parents weren't there. Absolutely premeditated.

@sharonmoore5580

Жыл бұрын

Good point

@lilnarm_smoothblaze

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely damaged child. I wouldn’t charged this child even if it was legal. You know damn well his head ain’t right

@surrealsteph

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! He knew what he was doing!

@Galaxie08

Жыл бұрын

A 6-year old doesn't think in those terms. 6, not 16.

@Galaxie08

Жыл бұрын

@@user-account-not-found What a BS.

This is why I left my kindergarten class mid year. I had 3 specific children making threats, hurting, and throwing furniture. I was told to document. That was it. Absolutely no support. It was horrible, stressful and unfair to me and my students.

@kelseymathias3881

Жыл бұрын

wow...used to be that teachers just feared high school students...now it's all the way down to kindergarten. why would anyone want to be a classroom teacher anymore?

@robyn3349

Жыл бұрын

Schools are not healthy safe places, even in Kindergarten? Time to change the system. School Choice for all.

@rtos

Жыл бұрын

Kindergarten children making threats! What the world come to?

@mjesns77

Жыл бұрын

does anyone know why the schools don’t support the teachers? i just don’t understand why bc they are on the same side. if anything, not helping the teacher can lead to this situation. and a lawsuit. seems backwards to me

@jabine59

Жыл бұрын

@@mjesns77 I'm guessing admin fears parent will sue if their kids get kicked out on the teacher's word alone, hence the document, document, document...

I'm sorry to say, but that child's parents need to be held seriously accountable!!!🙏😢❣️

@abelcaine9519

Жыл бұрын

watch heavy duty country video of this childs video he made with the gun saying he was going to murder her go watch video in heavy duty country parents told child he couldn't get in trouble at his age

@ImNotaRussianBot

Жыл бұрын

Weren't they charged with felony negligence?

@abelcaine9519

Жыл бұрын

@@ImNotaRussianBot waiting to see what happens but the parents knew child had access,told child he couldn't get in trouble at his age did tou see the video if the child w the gun saying he was going to burn her down... who took the video...mom?

Can I just point out that Abigail, shot through the hand and chest, still cleared the classroom for her students' safety? Glory to her.

@HellsFurby

Жыл бұрын

She is a hero in my book and absolutely deserves a raise. I hope she is able to recover well, especially mentally because this has got to be extremely traumatic.

@moshebenamram6020

Жыл бұрын

Totally!!! Unbelievable HERO

@Powertuber1000

Жыл бұрын

This is what it's like daily in all blc schools.

@evonne315

Жыл бұрын

I am so grateful she survived. ♥️

@liliumjade

Жыл бұрын

Adrenaline is very effective in allowing you to do what you need to do immediately following a serious injury. Not minimizing her heroic actions but hearing these kind of things make you realize what amazing capabilities we all have.

Parents need to be charged. This is just insane.

@2Bad4YOUuu

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU 💯

@tinawindham6958

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. He traumatized so many innocent children ! His poor teacher was a sitting duck! Omg I’m hoping they arrest and sue the caregiver🙏

@isitoveryet9525

Жыл бұрын

We don’t even know how he got the firearm yet lol it’s wild how everyone’s acting like they handed him the firearm, with instructions to target his teacher. What if a friend gave it to him? What if he found it? Where was it was the kid was checked? Plenty of possibilities & considering we have very little info, we should probably wait for more evidence before finding the parents guilty in the court of public opinion.

@tiredox3788

Жыл бұрын

@@isitoveryet9525 "What if he found it" literally said the gun belong to the mom.

@tiredox3788

Жыл бұрын

It's crazy how people trying to protect the parents.

I am an education (kinder teacher) and what makes me the angriest when it comes to cases like this is that the school doesn’t think of the other students in the classroom. This child was allowed to stay in the classroom despite his destructive behavior and threats. How the heck are the other students are able to learn in that kind of environment? And all the school says is to document the behavior, like that is suppose to do something.

@olilumgbalu5653

Жыл бұрын

Schools are caught between a rock and a hard place... if they had tried to expel him, the parents would likely have sued the school.

@mmps18

Жыл бұрын

This!!!

@bellamichelle6248

Жыл бұрын

I don’t understand why he was allowed there with no parents present that day- especially when that was a requirement for him

@MelindaMc

Жыл бұрын

What if kid had shot other students?

My friend was a middle school teacher and the students were not allowed to have cell phones in class. When she tried to get the cell phone away from the boy she was attacked so violently she wound up in the hospital. A boy in the class went to her aid and probably saved her life. My friend recovered but never went back to teaching. Something must be done about this. When I was in school (in the 1960s) this was unheard of. I'm amazed that anyone would be a teacher in these days,

@robinlinn142

Жыл бұрын

School was terrible for me in the 70's and 80's, but this type of behaviour just did not happen in that time and place.

@kaseys2004

Жыл бұрын

Honestly back in the day children were disciplined with spankings. From school and at home. Kids knew to respect their teachers and parents. Today's kids are screwed up bc the whole no one looses concept and no discipline. Kids aren't spanked when they do wrong like throwing, hitting, or yelling. Just so I'm clear i said spank not beat, there is a difference. Kids get away with everything bc someone will call cps or they threaten to do it. Then kids never learn to lose. They are given something with saying everyone's a winner speech. No the kid who busted his butt needs the recognition not little Billy who screwed around and didn't actually work on anything. Plus back then moms were home when kids were. A lot of kids are latch key kids now bc both parents have to work just to survive, so no one is home to give guidance or counsel. Today's kids have the internet and watch others do things so they mimick it. They are spoiled on technology from phones to game consoles.

"He wanted to light her on fire and watch her die," but somehow kids under seven are not capable of comprehending the act of killing someone.

@andromeda1903

Жыл бұрын

right!!! this was shocking. don't tell me they don't know what they are doing YES THEY DO

@fredajordan5704

Жыл бұрын

J:H: Yes, inclusion doesn`t always work. Sometime a criminal tendence shows early on, like here... The household/parenting is at fault in the first place, then school authorities for not protecting their staff.

@dr-ozone

Жыл бұрын

so.....prison time for the 6 year old?

@davidmann4533

Жыл бұрын

What does recess have to do with any of this you buffoon

@wrmlm37

Жыл бұрын

@user-mq2tw9ym5l how? No one know the race of the child. No one knows the race of the mother. Well, no one outside the district. More to the point, no one in this thread even mentions skin tone, anywhere...

Parents are responsible here. They're lying about how the kid managed to access the firearm.

@2Bad4YOUuu

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU 💯

@RobL358

Жыл бұрын

Definitely. Parents are 100% lying and should be charged. Teacher should also sue them civilly for both medical expenses and pain and suffering.

@GeorgiaJakes7

Жыл бұрын

Yes ! They said it was secure ?! Obviously not ! If it was secure - then who gave it to him ? I saw the “secure” quote on the news.

@mamacito1795

Жыл бұрын

I also wonder about that tip. Maybe it was a kid or maybe a parent flipped out when they realised their gun was missing and know their kid is homicidal. They wouldn't call the police because they wouldn't want their child hurt. Be interesting if that's revealed

@isitoveryet9525

Жыл бұрын

a lot of people are responsible for this tragedy. The school also did absolutely nothing to protect their employee, which is a common occurrence unfortunately.

No one who lives with a mentally unstable person who has expressed a desire to harm themselves or others should have a gun in the home, "secured" or not. And fortunately we have absolute proof that the gun was not adequately secured: a six year old accessed it and used it, so it was not. There is no other option. I say all of this as a gun owner. I am infuriated that the parents are trying to make themselves look anything but recklessly negligent. It is their fault, entirely, that their child had access to that weapon.

@teijaflink2226

Жыл бұрын

And probably their fault the child is this damaged too.

@shelleycharlesworth5177

Жыл бұрын

@@teijaflink2226 -no doubt...the apple doesn't fall far from the TREE!

@leegundlach391

Жыл бұрын

This mother taught this boy racism to hate white people nuts exactly what it was

@hawkeye5955

Жыл бұрын

Thank you LucyJane. We need more responsible gun owners like you to call out people who should not have guns, especially around those with mental illness, and I absolutely agree that the parents of the shooter are responsible for not properly securing the gun when they're aware of their child's behavior.

@jackiepowell7513

Жыл бұрын

Conversely that child needed discipline before this event.

I work as a camp counselor and last year we had a 7 year old with an autism diagnosis. He was very aggressive with the other children. He kicked and hit them, and so we asked the mom to take him out of our camp. She was furious, said we advertised as “inclusive to special needs” which we are. But we do not make accommodations for kids who feel the need to physically assault other kids. Turned out the mom was a special Ed teacher too. We have animals at our camp, and this kid before the incident also shoved a rooster off a table and laughed about it. I verbally disciplined him and took the animal away. Told him we couldn’t have animals at camp if he was gonna hurt them. This made him upset but his story to him mom was he “dropped” the rooster. And she believed him. I was furious because the camp is actually run by my family so the animals including the rooster are mine. So mom expected us to accommodate for hitting, kicking and animal cruelty for this little shit. I have worked with kids on the autism spectrum, they are often the most lovable children, super smart and they tend to do very well at our camp. This kid was not just showing signs of autism, I think there were some type b personality traits in there. You don’t often see kids hurt animals

@kelseymathias3881

Жыл бұрын

Hurting animals by kids is a sure sign the kids are mentally ill...I knew a child who harmed cats...parents ignored him....at age 20 the kid shot himself in the head.

@granny58

Жыл бұрын

Just a spoiled kid whose mother makes excuses for him

@TheMiczzz

Жыл бұрын

So sad to hear your story. Makes me furious to think about. I don't know, i am no psychiatrist, but it seems like some kids are just plain evil. Can't help thinking what they might become later, a school shooter comes to mind. Thank you for your service to all the good children out there!

@sylviashaw71

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMiczzz I feel the same, but I believe they are evil because they are possessed!!

@Wildflower1555

Жыл бұрын

There is a strong connection to this child's behavior and murderers and serial killers. A lot of them have started hurting and killing animals before they murdered a person(s).

As a retired teacher of 33 years this story just reminds me of why I left when I did. Having a lack of administrative support, oversized classes, and parents that often blame the teacher for their child's behavior are very common problems nationwide. She was, at 25, an obviously new teacher with only 2-3 years experience under her belt. The student was apparently very aggressive and disturbed and should have been receiving a LOT of supervision and supportive care. For someone to say they kept a 9mm handgun under lock and key, with a trigger lock, unloaded, and yet this child still managed to obtain it, load it, and carry it to school is ludicrous. They are covering their own lack of compliance with the law. This whole story is disturbing on so many levels. I hope the teacher recovers quickly and then hires a good Attorney.

@vikramgupta2326

Жыл бұрын

Gun was 9 mm, there is no 45 mm caliber fyi. Just a detail, not intended to nitpick

@LordBaldur

Жыл бұрын

@@vikramgupta2326 Such calibers exist... in anti-armor weapons.

@b-rok55

Жыл бұрын

@@LordBaldur yea, that's what I was gonna say lol 😂 45mm is roughly 1.77 inches, which is way too large for it to be fired from a traditional shoulder fired rifle, so it's definitely not gonna be something that would be able to be fired from a handgun

@mariaes623

Жыл бұрын

It's difficult for me to believe that a child with such “disabilities” is allowed in a mainstream school setting! 🤦‍♀️

@erikred8217

Жыл бұрын

yep. the dirty game has wiped out the clean one. here comes the crunch.

This is exactly why a lot of teachers are leaving the field to do something else. My daughter teaches in public school, and she says she has almost no tools for providing discipline in her class. She also tells me that if she expresses concerns about a student, she is told it’s her fault and she should work harder. She has taught for five years, and she’s strongly considering not signing a contract for next year. I support her decision and will be cheering when she leaves. I never thought I would feel that way about her doing teaching. I was so happy and proud of her when she chose education has her degree in college. I knew she was doing something good and honorable. Now I just want her out of the line of potential fire and away from the constant bedlam that public school classes have become.

@g.m.5395

Жыл бұрын

God Bless Her

@joedennehy386

Жыл бұрын

She should teach at a private school

@uyensoldier374

Жыл бұрын

What about moving abroad and teaching there? There are safer countries out there

@TheJackal917

Жыл бұрын

The humanity is fked. But it chose, by its own hands, to get fked. So be it.

@TheJackal917

Жыл бұрын

@@uyensoldier374 and bring that mentality that ruined own country elsewhere? Just like those immigrants in europe - they bring with them only chaos and destruction.

Charges against parents need to be filed.Fines. Jail terms. It needs to HURT!!!Maybe this will smarten up these foolish parents.

One of the main reason I got a general education degree rather than completing my degree is that teachers are the scapegoat for the world's problems it would seem.

So the student has a learning plan where the parents are in school with him every day. Yet the student is frequently found wandering around the school unsupervised during class time? And the 9mm had the safety on, but somehow the 6 year old was able to disable this, rack the slide, and shoot the teacher? What is going on in that child’s home?

@Tindometari

Жыл бұрын

I doubt he needed to rack the slide. If the parents were irresponsible enough to lead a loaded pistol unsecured and accessible to a 6-year-old known to be violently disturbed, I take it on faith that there was already a round chambered.

@surrealsteph

Жыл бұрын

RIGHT?!?! WTF were the parents doing while their child wasn’t in the classroom, roaming about? Those parents should have been on top of his every move! And WTF did they even have a gun in the house? They knew damn well their son is troubled/has serious mental issues!

Sadly enough, as a current public school teacher of 19 years, I can clearly "see" everything that you described. Students are sometimes treated better than the teachers. We're needed, but they're valued more. As far as the initial report not being reported to the police before the shooting, having a gun on campus is a relation nightmare, so no gun found=no problem, which also equates to nothing to report. I admire her ability to get the other students safely out of the room. I'm sure it was shock. If I were in her position, I would file charges against the child, the parents, the school, the district, etc etc etc. It's not about money. We don't go into teaching for the money, it's about the principle of the situation. If his parents usually have to be present, he should not have been allowed back in that room.

@sayhello5377

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! The parents released a statement along the lines of, “We have always been extremely careful about gun safety,” and I thought, “Yeah, so careful you left a loaded gun where your disturbed 6 year old could get to it…” I hope she files charges against the lot of them. It will send a message loud and clear that teachers are not signing up for the frontline of some battle.

@michellesims6953

Жыл бұрын

I agree with every single word you said.

@eatmanyzoos

Жыл бұрын

maybe cultures should stop encouraging each other to have as many kids and possible and maybe you, a sensitive person, needs to admit most people should not be allowed to have children and there should be laws preventing them having any power of you. .

@kristita_888

Жыл бұрын

Yes to ALL of this. I am a teacher as well. Everything that happened in this first-grade teacher’s classroom happens regularly across the nation. Teachers do not receive adequate support for students who are out of control. We are made to feel that we are the problem. It is not surprising that so many teachers are leaving the profession. Sadly, this affects and leaves behind the students who want to learn.

@jackiepowell7513

Жыл бұрын

Staff not supported. Bring on vouchers. Defund doe.

I left teaching in 2016 and every single day I hear something that just reinforces that I made the right choice.

@dclaet1135

Жыл бұрын

I retired in 2020, after teaching thirty years, and I'm still recovering from the stress of that job.

What's done to children, they do to the world. -- Albert Schweitzer, MD.

Listen as a former educator this story literally triggers me. And it’s exactly why I left the field at the end of 2021. I graduated in 2019 and only taught for 2 years. The school never listens when you bring up these alarming behaviors. They always wait until something happens then all the sudden they want to be sorry. That student should’ve been removed from classroom and that student Is not capable of being in a class with other students. He poses a danger to himself his teacher and the other students.

@paulinequick5634

Жыл бұрын

There are children in preschool who are a danger to themselves and others children & to teachers. I was a Special Services Aide in a preschool & some children had to be on a modified schedule & even some could only tolerate an hour of school due to a severe mental issue or a behavior problem. There should always be a Teacher's Aide in every classroom to assist the teachers. If one child is disrupting the whole class, then that child should be placed on a modified schedule depending on the severity of the issue.

I'm old enough to remember when disciplining schoolchildren was the job of parents, freeing teachers to do their jobs: to teach.

@user-ic9qm8mb4t

Жыл бұрын

I also remember the days students viewed teacher with a healthy respectful fear.

@sharonmoore5580

Жыл бұрын

I'm old enough to remember when teachers used rulers to pop our hands as a form of discipline. These days, a teacher would be fired in a second.

@GradyPhilpott

Жыл бұрын

I'm old enough to remember when teachers had large paddles in their classrooms and would use them on unruly students at the drop of a hat. The coaches in junior high carried rubber straps to whack those who challenged their authority. There weren't any school shootings back in those days.

@Bebecat477

Жыл бұрын

I can remember being sent to the principal and actually being whipped with a wooden paddle. Lol. Sure curtailed my next misbehavior.

@DavidDeeble

Жыл бұрын

@@Bebecat477 I agree with what others have stated here: if your kid can't go to school without parental accompaniment then your kid shouldn't be allowed at school.

As a law enforcement officer if we are contacted about there possibly be an armed student at a school we usually detain the student and contact the parents to have them check the last location they kept their weapon. If law enforcement had been contacted we most likely would have retrieved the weapon before the incident because even if he had another student hold the firearm for him because he thought he might get searched we would have verified with the parents that the firearm is missing so we would know that he hit it somewhere or has a friend holding it for him.

@lindasimons691

Жыл бұрын

Unless the officers were frightened and hid down the hallway.

@erickanew

11 ай бұрын

Exactly what I said. At our school student would've been detained, and it would've been a huge lockdown. It's not normal for another 6 year to say a 6 year old had a gun

That poor little kid, feeling hate that intense at 6 yrs old. What will his life be like? So sad.

I think the teacher was incredibly brave to put the students’ safety first after she had been shot. The little boy needs a full psych evaluation and his parents have to face the fact he needs help.

@silentvoiceinthedark5665

Жыл бұрын

I am very sure the kid has had multiple psych evals.

@jonathangullett3143

Жыл бұрын

“Parents” yeah right, more like dead beats. You’ll see when it is released

@carolnahigian9518

Жыл бұрын

amen

@anneflynn9614

Жыл бұрын

The boy should be removed from his mother.

@tamitatangoto5134

Жыл бұрын

I don't know necessarily if brave is the right word for her actions of taking the children out of the classroom. When you're shot wounded or in a car wreck you go into shock immediately. So really she was immediately in shock and a lot of times people in shock do not think they're hurt necessarily.

We had a kid in my 1st grade in 1967 who would scream and throw desks and even beat up the scariest bully. This kid was a girl. She eventually disappeared and nobody missed her. This needs to happen now. It's not fair to the other students to have these disruptful and dangerous kids in the class. Traumatize twenty kids to indulge one. Great policy.

@troyhubbler9874

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like you killed her lol

@hauntedbearchild

Жыл бұрын

You are correct. How can children learn under disruptive environments?

@janmarchand7294

Жыл бұрын

When my daughter was in 5th grade I went to a parent teacher day at school where the teacher told me how helpful Chloe was. As she went on I realized Chloe was helpful because they had her sit with a special needs child and she would help him calm down and worked on his lessons with him. I was shocked, the boy in question was already about 6 feet tall and had a variety of issues, but he 'liked' Chloe and with her help he was doing so much better. I told the teacher that it really wasn't Chloe's place to help teach this child and that I hoped they would remember that she was a student also and was there to learn, not teach. It shocked me that my daughter was being used to keep this child quiet. They had integrated a lot of special needs children into the regular classes and I wondered just how good of an education my daughter was getting because these children were very disruptive and stole learning time from the regular students.

@joan-lisa-smith

Жыл бұрын

@@janmarchand7294 That was me as a kid in foster care. I was the stable level headed kid so even under 10 I would be asked to basically be like a little therapist to disturbed foster siblings. One home would have me find covert ways to ask other kids during play about what kind of abuse went on in their homes (including sex abuse details) and have me report it back to the foster mom so she could tell the social worker to note it and bring it up during their checks. It made me feel trusted and important but once my teens hit I realized how inappropriate it was and how hearing those things shaped me in negative ways. I'm actually not surprised some teachers let kids like your daughter take on that roll to alleviate them, I'm so glad you reframed it for them so they could see what they were actually doing. You shouldn't have to though, anyone working with kids should know enough basic child development, child psychology and have basic common sense to know already!

@janmarchand7294

Жыл бұрын

@@joan-lisa-smith My heart goes out to you being in foster care and being exposed to things you shouldn't have been at that age. It was so weird to have that teacher tell me that, like I would be happy about it. I know I looked at her like she was crazy cause she tried to back out of what she had just said. It never entered my mind that a teacher would do something like that.

Ex middle school teacher here-I had a student in my class one year who had some behavior issues. Mostly he was just disruptive and liked to cause trouble. I had to constantly move him to new seats or send him to the dean. One day he was on a mission to disrupt the class. I gave him a verbal warning. The classmates seated next to him heard him say under his breath that he was going to ‘kill me’ if I moved his seat again. After class was over, those students told me what he had said. I of course reported it to my Principal right away. The Principal told me that the boy didn’t mean it and that it wasn’t a big deal, but that he did tell the boy to come say he was sorry to me. I never saw the boy again. His parents pulled him from the school and moved away from what I heard.

@kelseymathias3881

Жыл бұрын

Been this way for decades...school administrators do nothing. Back in the 60s a delinquent terrorized our class. 50 years later I heard that he had gone into the army where he committed crimes and then did time in Leavenworth Prison. When he got out he was shot to death in a bar fight at age 40 . I must admit I cheered.

@lildoodle6081

Жыл бұрын

Good on those kids for feeling comfortable enough to go to you and tell you what he said. We need to keep encouraging our children to tell adults if they hear/see something concerning.

The kiddo's parents must be held accountable to the maximum the law will provide.

I teach in this school division and have received more information from teachers who work in the school. The boy put the gun in his coat and took it to recess. He showed it to multiple students and when they returned to the classroom, they told the teacher. She called administrators so that’s why they searched his backpack. They failed to search his coat or his person for fear of violating his rights. When teachers leave early for a sickness, etc. they will place the teacher’s students in the other teacher’s classrooms if there is not a substitute available for that class. That could explain the teacher sometimes having additional students. Teachers go through a lot more than the public realizes, and do it mostly alone with little to no support.

@hauntedbearchild

Жыл бұрын

He's a six-year old minor. Last time I looked his rights should only be under an adult. If the law has changed that's insane. If being under the age of 7 for accountability is a law then he also has no adult rights of his own and is considered an infant under the law.

@ShelbyMagnolia

Жыл бұрын

So true. I sub and teachers do not get paid enough for what they have to put up with. So many kids are SO disrespectful. It actually makes me nervous to discipline them for fear they might do something like this to retaliate.

@sharonmoore5580

Жыл бұрын

I know I'm living in an apocalypse. They didn't search his coat for fear of violating his rights?!?!

@vbrown6445

Жыл бұрын

@@sharonmoore5580 They didn't search his body/person for fear of being sued by parents, who are always quick to accuse school employees of child abuse (sexual and physical). It's also why teachers don't hug students anymore and maintain physical distance from them. It is the world we live in.

@Em-df4ww

Жыл бұрын

It's as if they didn't believe the kids who reported seeing the gun, otherwise why would they have have given up after the search of the backpack. He should have been pulled out of class and the police called. I can't believe the negligence, ineptitude and lack of common sense shown by the administrators. Thank goodness the teacher survived her injuries and no one else was shot. This country has gone bonkers.,

The parents of this child should be held accountable.

@haruuuuu1115

Жыл бұрын

i used to work in this district. my guess is the school isn’t going to push for it. friends that work in the same district have said (and shared posts) that richneck is asking parents to do thorough checks of bookbags but that’s about it.

@sylviaowega3839

Жыл бұрын

It was like that in the old days

With regard to the attitude of parents; I'm in the UK, and did two horrible years as a supply teacher, substitute teacher in the US, and the attitude of many parents was summed up by one mother stating that she had always told her children to "stand up to teachers"........Huge numbers of children are specifically taught by their parents to have no respect for any kind of authority.

@leahr9038

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, its disgusting!

@granny58

Жыл бұрын

Yup

@Throatzillaaa

Жыл бұрын

Are you teaching in the UK? I'm curious if you think schools in the UK have the same or similar issues.

I had a similar situation. Thank God the child "only"destroyed my room and threatened to kill me, all my requests for help went unanswered by administrators. They hid the incident from the parents but my brave first graders told their parents the truth

They blaming this on being absent from class?! Are they insane? Why on earth was he able to get the gun? Charge the parents immediately... Negligence! He coumd have killed multiple people and himself.

SIX YEARS OLD. Intentional, premeditated. So hard to absorb just how sad this is. He's been exposed to some bad things, this isn't just about access to a fire arm. It will no doubt come back to the parents and the environment he was living in.

@anitaknight3915

Жыл бұрын

I agree to be that young makes you wonder the environment and parenting he's exposed to. How in the world would a 6 yr old be this out of control and have access to a firearm!!???

@blaisebaileyfinnegan8202

Жыл бұрын

Was this a two parent household? I doubt it. Was it a household that has a high investment in raising children? I doubt it. Given the choice between r/K selection, I'd put my money on r.

@blaisebaileyfinnegan8202

Жыл бұрын

@Entropy lol this isn't regular life in the US, dude. This is endemic in certain communities, but that's an uncomfortable discussion no one wants to have so we don't.

@MimiRAM0NE

Жыл бұрын

@Entropy If that were true, this wouldn't be a unique news story getting lots of attention because it too would be the norm. It's not.

@robertgiles9124

Жыл бұрын

It's the kid. PLENTY of kids have bad pareents and situations and do not try murder. He's never going to be ok. Future serial killer, I'd say.

HOLD THE SCHOOLS ACCOUNTABLE! THEY KNEW,,, TOO MANY WARNING SIGNS THEY CHOOSE TO IGNORE.

Student behavior is out of control in schools across the country. What you said, Dr. Grande, about parents whose children have been disciplined wanting the teachers fired is accurate. It's one of the top reasons teachers are leaving the profession. I retired 4 years ago because of the lack of administrative support.

@TheUnofficialMaker

Жыл бұрын

spare the rod, spoil the child

@erickanew

11 ай бұрын

Yeah all our teachers quit. They have any and everyone teaching. The kids are worst since after covid. The parents don't care

His posession of the gun proves that it was loaded, unsecured and had no trigger lock.

I am an elementary teacher and I have had students like this. I had a student my first year who wanted to lock us in the closet and hear us starve to death. This is not uncommon. My current school, we have several kids EXACTLY like this student. It is beyond frustrating.EDIT TO ADD it’s so sad when one students takes so much time and attention away from the 24 other kids in a class. They deserve attention too. Sometimes when there are very difficult students, the ones who are quiet/well behaved are hurt the most by the chaos that can happen when your teacher has to call the cops to your room and you have to run out because of one very unstable student. The needs of the one over needs of the many.

@hauntedbearchild

Жыл бұрын

Why do you think there are so many children like this now?

@heather440

Жыл бұрын

@@hauntedbearchild I wish I knew. I PERSONALLY think it’s because so many parents are on drugs/did drugs (maybe while pregnant) even alcohol.

@haruuuuu1115

Жыл бұрын

i hear you. Ive had kids like that. i teach 7th grade and i can say that the violence definitely reaches apathy as they get older. they end up not even feeling guilty for their wrongdoings or having a more clear compass of right and wrong. it’s frustrating and terrifying.

@lisamac8503

Жыл бұрын

and the school allows them to be there???

@heather440

Жыл бұрын

@@lisamac8503 YUP admin does/can do nothing. Even if they are in special Ed, they are still in our classroom for most if not all of the day.

I've had several students who have thrown things, furniture, hit other kids, yelled constantly, left the classroom, etc. And teachers have to deal with it for at least 6 weeks while you observe and document to then request testing for an IEP. It's insane.

You hit the nail on the head when you said that teachers are in a difficult situation ......... I am a teacher and the Administration is not interested in supporting teachers, but in increasing their numbers and pleasing parents. Parents believe that teachers are their enemies and that their children are angels. The Administration blames the teachers, the parents blame the teachers. On top of that, every day we are given more responsibilities with less resources and no help. Once a parent sent me an email listing the ways I should manage my class, while the principal was too preoccupied making rounds and yelling at the teachers he found sitting at their desks resting for a while. Another time he called a staff meeting after class and five minutes or so into the meeting, he locked the door to the gym (which was where the meeting was being held) so that teachers who weren't there couldn't get in. I couldn't go in because I needed to drink water after having been teaching for three consecutive periods before the staff meeting. I think something has to change, otherwise it is not very promising.

@TheUnofficialMaker

Жыл бұрын

sounds like ebay

This is extremely disturbing. In the past 30 years we've seen unspeakable acts committed by those that are supposed to be innocent. I never forget the 11 and 13 year old boys who murdered a toddler. There was a boy who recently killed his own mother for not buying him something. Something has gone desperately wrong with our society.

@SirenaSpades

Жыл бұрын

Lack of parenting

@rockyevans1584

Жыл бұрын

You're just aware of them because of the more widespread media coverage. This shit was happening and the news never carried it beyond locals prior. Statistically speaking we are still in the safest age ever, and violence is trending downward. Get out of your feelings, they really distort these situations and our resulting view

@2Bad4YOUuu

Жыл бұрын

@@SirenaSpades YePp. Folks are leaving all the parenting to someone else these days. There is NO LOVE in that circumstance. 💔

@crestfire8008

Жыл бұрын

What has gone wrong is accusing discipline as "abuse". Monitoring your kids internet activity is not "abuse". Kids that young do not need 100% privacy that parents have no idea who and what they are talking to online. Also the fact that parents give their kids technology to keep them occupied

@trickolas78

Жыл бұрын

Teachers are overpaid and only work 9 months a year. What other job allows that level of laziness?

Thank you, Dr. Grande. This is an unimaginable situation. How a child who is little more than a baby, can even conceive a shooting, is beyond comprehension.

@Heyu7her3

Жыл бұрын

The idea is comprehensible. The enaction of said idea through easy access to weapons is absolutely unacceptable.

@KytexEdits

Жыл бұрын

@@brianm7109 Please cease the inhalation of Oxygen, m'guy.

@110311DONTWANTCHANNE

Жыл бұрын

i was almost murdered by an 8 year old when I was a kid (10). I beleive he was about 8 years and 3 months. he had been violent as long as I knew him...since he was a toddler.....it happens....i know his father was abusive, but the father was out of the picture by the time he was 2.

@tzermonkey

Жыл бұрын

This isn’t the first time this has happened. There was a case a few years back where a nine year old argued with a family member, went inside the families trailer, got a gun and shot his family member. I think it happened in Oklahoma or Texas.

@brittneybabeee4031

Жыл бұрын

@@montgomeryfitzpatrick473 What exactly are you trying to insinuate?

This is how it is in public education now. I’ve been in the game 12 years and it’s not pretty most of the time. Teachers are unsupported and then blamed by administration. Teachers get cussed out and beaten up by students and those kids go back to class five minutes later with a lollipop in their mouth for talking about their feelings. 🙄 I no longer call for help. I just run my own discipline and it’s the only thing that works. My kids are sweethearts and do an excellent job in class. Don’t call admin for help because they don’t help because they don’t care. Thanks for being a voice for us, Dr. G!!

It's not just the 6-year-old that presents a conundrum for society. We have yet to answer, "What do we do with all the mentally ill people out there, homeless and unable to care for themselves?" My state has washed their hands of them, determining that it's wrong for them to be detained in a mental institution; it infringes on their rights. So they live as best and as long as they can on the streets or in other difficult circumstances for themselves and for those they impact. It's the same unanswered question, 6 years old or 60 years old.

This sounds exactly like a boy in my child's first grade class last year. My child was "evacuated" several times a week for months when this boy would rage in the classroom--throwing desks and chairs, etc. The teachers weren't allowed to restrain him, due to laws. They weren't allowed to inform us due to privacy--my child would say "He was angry again today" but I had NO. IDEA. how bad it was....I heard from another parent whose child was more talkative months later. He is intelligent enough that they MUST keep him at the regular school, with aides, but he doesn't seem to function well, nor is it working for the children in his class. The school is stuck, due to laws regarding public education access, etc. The parents can't afford or are unwilling to send him somewhere more suited to his needs.... What is anyone to do? My husband said if they still live in the school district in middle school, we're moving, because he's exactly the kind of kid who becomes a school shooter. And now I worry it could be earlier than middle school! It's awful, sad, and frustrating for everyone. I assume he has some sort of Oppositional Defiant disorder. And we live in one of the most affluent and best-rated school districts in the US (just to say if we don't have the resources to help children like this, who does??)

@Nevermore694

Жыл бұрын

It seems to me you have the responsibility to remove your child from this environment now, by whatever means necessary. It’s the tolerance of this kind of extreme situation that has been our undoing as a country.

@behonestwithyourself3718

Жыл бұрын

I understand the idea of access for education for everyone but not at the expense of the kids and teachers safety. Sounds like that kid needs to be removed. I feel bad for your situation.

@joedennehy386

Жыл бұрын

Sue the school for endangering your child, and move him immediately

@SirenaSpades

Жыл бұрын

It really isn't the school's job to restrain kids like that. Children this poorly behaved should not be in class with students trying to learn!

@andygirlll1811

Жыл бұрын

@@SirenaSpades actually, it is. If the child is mentally ill, disabled or disturbed, the district is required to provide a free an appropriate education. It’s the law.

I worked in a pre school (ages 2-6) for 5 years and I observed at least SIX children displaying similar behaviors. I've seen things thrown across the room, I've actually had a child tell me he wanted to stab me in the stomach, a little girl told me she wanted to light all the teachers on fire, another child picked up a chair and threw it, a boy stomped on another little boys stomach, the list goes on and on. These are very young children and I found that even when the parents were notified, more times than not, they were in denial of their child's behavior and/or blaming the school. It's actually very scary; the school had its hands tied and we as teachers were literally not even allowed to say no to the kids let alone discipline them. Dr Grande is right; discipline is needed both in schools at home and parents need to really pull their heads from their ass. If your child is displaying antisocial behaviors they need help in the form of a professional.

@Bringingbalance7

Жыл бұрын

@@user-account-not-found every single one. For some reason those children naturally gravitated towards me and I always accepted them and sat with them, held their hand while they cried, helped them breathe to calm down, talked to them. Specifically, the child who told me he wanted to stab me in the stomach, he was a child I felt very close to. He would often say things like that to me and I would be surprised and ask why he would say a thing like that, he has no idea why. He needed help, which was reported to the office and the parents spoken to. As far as I know, he never got any. There was only ever one child I could not reach emotionally, I tried but he was too violent and once he started it was impossible for me to calm him down. We would have to wrangle the other 28 students and remove them from the classroom so nobody gets hurt. I also hate to break it to you, but there will ALWAYS be someone who feels left out. You literally cannot force children to include everyone, try as we may, there are some people in general who do not fit in and I've seen it in kids as young as 3. They have trouble fitting in and start to lash out, further isolating themselves. I think if you really want to help those kids, THEY are the ones who need help to better adapt themselves to a group (doesn't have to be the whole group but they need some good qualities to make people accept them) so that other children and peers will want to be around them. I'm an adult and if another adult displays frightening tendencies, it stirs up an actual anxiety in my stomach to be around them. You cannot expect children to be able to ignore their own protective instincts just to make people feel included.

@trustmemysonisadoctor8479

Жыл бұрын

@@Bringingbalance7 Unfortunately with some mental health issues and personality disorders all the love and acceptance will not help, they need serious residential treatment for every ones protection.

@Bringingbalance7

Жыл бұрын

@@trustmemysonisadoctor8479 I also agree with you on that, however, to not even try or acknowledge the problem (as in the parents or caregivers) isn't helping either. What is the age limit to admit a child for long term care in a facility? I know a lot of doctors and psychoanalysts are wary to label children with psychopathic tendencies, sociopathic tendencies, etc so I can't imagine they would even suggest putting them away somewhere where they can be monitored. I think the old "hope they grow out of it" applies a lot in these circumstances and, as we know from true crime and serial killers, murderers etc...maybe that's not the best solution.

@trustmemysonisadoctor8479

Жыл бұрын

@@Bringingbalance7 Back in the early 1980's I worked at a residential treatment facility, the youngest person there at the time that I know of was 6. This child was extremely violent they had a large male one on one to control them and protect the other residents. I agree there needs to be better education available to parents/caregivers but some do not care and others cannot physically handle their child's violent outbursts. I agree that to "hope they out grow it" is not the best idea, I have no answers other than society needs to protect the public at large from dangerous violent people irrelevant of their age.

@Bringingbalance7

Жыл бұрын

@@trustmemysonisadoctor8479 I agree with you 100%.

I have children in public schools (in VA) and this type of incompetence has me seriously considering homeschooling.

Back when my parents were kids (1960's to 1970's) the teachers were the one that ran the classroom and if the teacher called the parents it wasn't good when the kid got home. I'm in my late 20's and my parents once grounded me for the whole summer when I was misbehaving (I even had my tv taked away lol). Other kids weren't raised like I was raised and I see the outcome now as adults. I'm sure it's even worse with kids now as I see people in my family and just out and about and i'm like this is not going to end well for them when they get into the real world. The parents should be charged with a felony with this case

@redneckgirl3326

Жыл бұрын

I grew up in the 70s and 80s and saw what happened when my parents got a call from the principal about my older siblings. I knew better than to act up in school.

Dr. Grande this was very informative. I'm curious why a child exhibiting this type of behavior would not be in a more controlled environment. This begs the question about the school administration at the highest level.

@LadyKej

Жыл бұрын

It’s because having too many children in self-contained SPED classrooms doesn’t “look good” for the school district or the state. Many special programs have been shut down, and the kids placed in general education classrooms without the intensive support they so desperately need, leaving the overworked teachers to try to deal with it as best they can.

@TurkeyFarmerGirl

Жыл бұрын

I pulled my son out of head start last year, 2 other 5 yr Olds attacked him on a daily basis. His teacher was on camera putting her hands on my son. 6 week Olds to 5 year Olds attend there. My son qualified to attend free of charge due to our income. Headstart in my area is a dumping ground for future criminals.

@momvanup

Жыл бұрын

I worked in this district. There are resources for these situations, but it's unlikely the student would be eligible until "less restricting" environments are attempted. Basically they have to step up interventions and at 6 the more intense ones might not be available yet.

@kristentrep5038

Жыл бұрын

@@LadyKej yep! Im a special education teacher. (I’m now retired) When I began teaching, we had smaller classes for children who needed a more restricted environment. I understand the need for a less restrictive environment, but not at the detriment of the other children and teachers. Unfortunately, administrators didn’t seem to care that sometimes, some kids can’t be in classes with the other kids. Sometimes, they need a higher level of care. Parents need to be held accountable when a child this young gets ahold of a weapon!

@hauntedbearchild

Жыл бұрын

There is clearly something wrong with school systems who do this. It helps no one, including the kids who need controlling.

Seems like Abigail has all the elements and evidence in her favour for a massive civil lawsuit against the school.

@keikei1943

Жыл бұрын

She should sue the parents

Well said, Dr. Grande. I’m a teacher and live this every day… lack of support, parents backlash when even letting them know their child made a bad choice during the day. I wish the public really knew our daily struggles

@TheUnofficialMaker

Жыл бұрын

this is startling to me. I do know of a young lady that was doing her student teaching in a high school and she had a wreck coming back from lunch and the kids expressed that they wish she had been killed. Such a sorry state of American Public Schools. No wonder we are in this messs.

I remember the incident where the six year old shot another child in the stairwell. His mother had to work two jobs to make ends meet. She left him with his uncle to be cared for. It was terrible to see the mother, she was utterly broken. She loved her child, but was overwhelmed by the demands of life.

@reneedennis2011

Жыл бұрын

That was in that documentary Bowling for Columbine.

Abigail needs to sue that school to the ground.

@Jenn_80

Жыл бұрын

And the 6 year olds parents

I’m no doctor but I gotta say. Violence of this level at this age is not something that’s likely to go away. If this kid is allowed to avoid consequences for this and grows up free, I guarantee he’s gonna try to kill more people. Something like this doesn’t just go away. If I’m wrong, just show me a single case like this where the child was reformed and had no further incidents.

@Catlily5

Жыл бұрын

There is a girl named Mary Bell in the UK. She killed 2 children at age 10. They gave her a lot of treatment and she was apparently rehabilitated .

@vante2129

Жыл бұрын

This is an over exaggeration he's fuckin 6 that child can definitely be rehabilitated his brain isn't even fully developed yet remove him from that environment.

@rogerm3708

Жыл бұрын

I lived in a neighborhood with a 5 year old that only wanted to cause harm. Myself and other children regularly tormented him because it was the only way we knew how to manage him because his parents had no interest in correcting him. I heard that he was in and out of juvenile detention and went to prison as an adult

@valrose6083

Жыл бұрын

@@Catlily5 not only did she kill two other children younger than her, she tortured them as well. Apparently when she was rehabilitated as an adult she was able to go on living a normal life.

@wagashi

Жыл бұрын

@@Catlily5 I don't think they'll give this kid a lot of treatment to rehabilitate him in the US, unfortunately, given that any kind of healthcare is a luxury

This is crazy, the level of negligence showed by the parents is something else

@phoenixrising6245

Жыл бұрын

.... along with the School Administrators

It’s get more unbelievable and enraging founding out there were THREE reports to administers about the kid and the gun. One where the kid apparently brought it to recess and threatened to shoot a classmate if he told anyone about the gun. The classmate told a teacher about while sobbing. WHAT’S GOING ON IN THAT SCHOOL?!

The parents stayed with the child at school to help with his behavior? When did this start? That’s utter craziness!

@swedishmeatball4382

Жыл бұрын

We had a case where the mom went to school with her daughter. The daughter (let's call her Ella) had been skipping classes for quite a while. Our principal used his breaks to search for her; he was deeply worried because she left school to go drink with a bunch of middle aged drunk dudes in public places. Absolutely not a crowd you want a teenage girl to get involved with. Anyway, we had this national standard test and I was in charge of Ella's class. There was a break between two parts in the test, and I was quite surprised to find out that Ella had disappeared during the breaks. These tests were A Big Deal with mandatory attendance, and vanishing in the middle of it was unheard of. So, Ella's mom went to school with her after that to make sure she didn't skip away to hang with her drunk "friends".

@MF-ty2zn

Жыл бұрын

The child has autism spectrum disorder.

@nursetinalouise

Жыл бұрын

How is it craziness? As the parent I am far more responsible for my child than the school and have attended with my kids.

@sayhello5377

Жыл бұрын

If they had to attend school with him, then why wouldn’t they just pull him out and homeschool him?

@haruuuuu1115

Жыл бұрын

@@sayhello5377 if it’s an accommodation in his IEP then the least restrictive environment is for sure not a public school. a lot of people forget that an IEP is to help the child readjust to typical life and eventually be weaned off most of the significant accommodations if possible. if the child can’t attend school without a parent then they need one-on-one or to be homeschooled.

This story is equally heartbreaking and so disturbing. Those poor children that witnessed this and what the teacher went through..I hope they get the support they need

@birdlover6842

Жыл бұрын

They better get help. The poor kids must be scared. I hope things get better. A sad situation.

@TurkeyFarmerGirl

Жыл бұрын

The sub said 25 to 30 students. So 24 to 29 students have to suffer cause ONE child is an ass? Yank that kid out and lock his ass up, thats where he is heading anyway. Why should my, or your child be traumatized due to one kid? The mother was supposed to be at school with the kid everyday. She don't show, the kid goes home. That's it.

@laurenmay2098

Жыл бұрын

If they didn’t helped the teacher to do something about the kid, do you think they will get psychological help to the others to go on? Sweet dreams on that, it is sick to see how money goes to wars out of this country, but the citizens get nothing to deal with domestic problems.

@sharonmoore5580

Жыл бұрын

Agree. So traumatic. This will change them for the rest of their lives.

@dolorestroeller4734

Жыл бұрын

Yet the hoops they will jump through for this one’s rights will be absurd ,while all the innocent ones rights are trampled upon 🤬that!

A few years ago, when my daughter was in 1st grade, a boy pushed her down and choked her with no provocation. The school said the boy had an IEP and they were working to correct his behavior. I said I want my kid or that kid in a different class. Ultimately, I had to complain to the county superintendent. It felt like there was more concern for the poorly behaved/managed child than for my child.

Why hasn’t the media produced pictures of the parents and their social media history. If the parents dont get charged we can at least ridicule them.

If he was special needs so much he had to be accompanied by a parent, why was he mainstreamed, or allowed in class without said parent?

@lupemora6266

Жыл бұрын

I think it was George Bush with his "no kid left behind" legislation.

@victorialavenderasmr

Жыл бұрын

He obviously has some severe behavior and emotional problems. It still does not excuse what he did. He went to school with a loaded gun to intentionally murder his teacher.

@Clone42

Жыл бұрын

To enrich the classroom with aneurotypical diversity.

Whoever searched the kid should also be reprimanded. Outsmarted by a 6 yo? You aren't up to your jobs responsibilities. For shame

As a retired teacher I agree with everything you have said. I taught for 30 years, and now I’m very glad to be out of the classroom. Teachers today have more to deal with than I ever did. I was very sad to hear about this, for the teacher and the little boy.

This is severe negligence on many levels 🤦🏽‍♀️

What a horror story. The parents and the school dropped the ball on that one. I admire the teacher was a hero for getting the other children too safety. I believe the school and parents should have some consequences. Thank you Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis and informative topic.

@janpierzchala2004

Жыл бұрын

This boy seems very dangerous already at 6, a crime genius in the making, I would look for solution...Or soon you will commend some other teacher etc

@cottontails9003

Жыл бұрын

@@janpierzchala2004 Thank you Jan I completely agree.

@johnc2438

Жыл бұрын

Actually, they dropped the gun on that one!

@cottontails9003

Жыл бұрын

@@eatmanyzoos In my comment I said the parents need consequences for their actions.

I NEVER thought I could feel aversion against a 6 year old, and yet here we are.

@jori7398

Жыл бұрын

Yep, here we are. The world has gone mad and it seems that psychos are everywhere.

@kimwhatmatters4085

Жыл бұрын

@@user-account-not-found what are you talking about ??? What’s the difference between at 6 yr old and a 60 yr old besides the fact the 60 had faced whatever the 6 yr old had faced in tenfold. As far as personality& morals basically your core fiber you are who you are by 5yrs old. You’re either for a punitive punishment or not. If so we should abolish prison and have only rehab. If we’re not going to that model I don’t get how a 6 yr old is some how wayyy less cognizant than a seven year old. If they can try a 14/15/16/17 yr old as an adult why can’t they charge a 6 yr old as a 7 yr old ge shot someone!!! We gotta keep the consistent or we’re just ruining lives just to do it we don’t actually believe punishment helps keep society structured and builds or protect the greater good.

Bad social skills are rampant in children today. Many Many parents excuse their child's behavior. As a teacher I personally know. In my 10+ years it has increased significantly.

One of the child's parents was supposed to be in the classroom with the child every day -- but they say that was the first day they had not complied with that rule. However, it sounds as if they have not been present quite a few times. Why are they allowed to skip their responsibility? Why is such a disruptive child allowed to be in a regular classroom. I know about having a "least restrictive environment" for each child, but the environment needs to be safe for the other children and teachers. Thanks for your channel and your comments.

After a 23 year military career, I retired to teach High School mathematics in the inner city. During the 7 years in the inner city I had one gun incident in the classroom, one knife fight, I was assaulted twice, and observed unbelievable miss deeds.There was zero administrative support, students ran the institution with no respect of the other students or teachers. I finally transferred to the suburbs and fished a rewarding 20 year career teaching math.

@reycesarcarino4653

Жыл бұрын

The System is literally Juking Stats

@rahrahrah8405

Жыл бұрын

Those kids are out of control animals.

@wot4me2

Жыл бұрын

You are amazing. I cannot imagine spending 7 years teaching inner city high school, even with 23 years of military training. Single parent homes, absent fathers, children left to raise themselves with many ending up in the criminal justice system- what could go wrong? I'm glad you were able to get out and end on a good note.

@Paysoncougarfan.7885

Жыл бұрын

@@wot4me2 There we’re some hidden diamonds in the inner city, kids that would do well in any environment, they kept me going.

That teacher should get an award for how she calmly got those other kids out of the room and to safety. That 6 year old boy is super frightening, I'm sorry to say. He had to learn it from somewhere.

@TSUNAMI-MAMI

Жыл бұрын

Yea she’s surely not getting paid enough to deal with little shits that plan to shoot her

@brianm7109

Жыл бұрын

She should get the god damn medal of honor

@JaMeshuggah

Жыл бұрын

"that 6 year old is super frightening" The loss of control and the world you've helped create are super frightening. Wonder who keeps shootings on television all the time..

@emilyk9388

Жыл бұрын

And the teacher’s assistant taking control of the child! Very brave.

@ravenousraven60

Жыл бұрын

he is super brave not the teacher lol, she must have been a bully

As someone who graduated in 2020 from a highschool for kids with emotional/behavioural problems a big factor as to why kids these days have so many problems is that they dont know how to handle being told no or not getting special treatment because of this modern parenting style of letting kids do whatever the hell they want and telling them "youre perfect, youre always good, the teacher just doesnt understand you and feels threatened by your intelligence". If youre a teacher i can guarantee you your students are having dinner table conversations with mom amd dad where youre the bad guy and they buy it because "why would my precious, innocent little angel, Jimmy Softnipples ever be the one in the wrong?? Its that mean old school teacher!"

@lousqwab5761

Жыл бұрын

Gonna start using that. Softnipples.

Expect this to happen again if the parents aren't punished like they should. This was avoidable and lack of responsibility degrading society

When teachers ask for help they are labeled as bad classroom managers and marked low on evaluations.

Parents are responsible for this child’s actions. They should be arrested and fined.

@lisaperry5999

Жыл бұрын

Yes and in most places,they are held accountable for their children's truancy so definitely in this case.

@MH-ds8cb

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! So should the school officials who failed to respond to this threat of violence. They are lying when they say this child was searched. They likely didn’t believe the report that the child had a gun and did nothing!

This is my 7th year of teaching in high needs public schools in the US, and let me tell you, this hell has been going on for years. The school system is falling apart, and this incident is a symptom and evidence of that.

Having taught in an inner city school for 22 years, none of this surprises me at all! Hatred is learned at home!

I'm now 60+ YO. I recently retired early from mental health nursing. We faced very similar dangers and chaos while often understaffed, trying to care for psychotic and often violent patients . Fiscal concerns and public perception was always more of a priority with administration than staff safety. I thank god I am old enough to be retired. One day, in the not so distant future, teachers and nurses will become scarce. No-one in their right mind will choose these professions.

@Monkeyboysdontknow

Жыл бұрын

@@user-account-not-found Actually, that's pure political priorities, just as in ANY system. It hasn't always been this way in this country. Other systems of government can just quietly make the problem go away... permanently - for the betterment of society, of course.

@TiptonMama

Жыл бұрын

Trust me, I'm actively trying to convince my 16 yo that she doesn't want to become a teacher. Her school counselor thinks she'd be an excellent teacher, but agrees with me she's too high energy and would burn out quickly, especially in college, if she's not challenged enough. She's conspiring with me to keep her in looking where her aptitude tests (and her lifelong passions) have been leading her.

@juneyshu6197

Жыл бұрын

And cops and paramedics!

@gretchenhughes9652

Жыл бұрын

I was a RN. Glad I am retired. You are absolutely correct. A nurse on my shift received a broken jaw by a patient who had assaulted his parents prior to be admitted to the Critical Care Unit for Psychiatric evaluation. Our unit was for Cardiac & critically ill patients. We were not equipped for handling these type patients, yet administrators felt like they could be watched closer. He was male & the whole staff female ages from 26-50. A cardiac patient witnessed the assault from her room as when he hit the nurse she was knocked out into the hall. The patient had chest pain out of fear that he would get loose & start attacking everyone. Glad I am out of the jungle, too. No amount of money could make me go back.

@TK-dx1nh

Жыл бұрын

@@gretchenhughes9652 I feel the same! I worked on a medium secure forensic unit in a Mental Health Center for 22 yrs. Sadly, I experienced countless of similar incidents. HR was not on our side. If not for our amazing union, I could have lost my licence for defending myself on more than one occasion. And some excellent nurses did. disgusting. So relieved to be out!!!

I'm a teacher, and Abigail is an unfortunate victim of the toxic environment of which we are working. This environment needs to change.

I know a guy who told me his own 5/6 year old says weird stuff about wanting to hurt or kill people. They have the kid in therapy, but the dad says the kid knows how to be "normal" in front of the therapist. It's really disturbing. I assumed kids like that had to be abused badly, but I know this guy doesn't do that. They have to be getting it from somewhere though, because kids that young mostly mimic what they think adults are doing.

@Derek032789

Жыл бұрын

Kids can be evil too.

I cannot fathom what IEP would require a parent to accompany a child to school each day. In my 8 years as a teacher, I have never heard of any IEP that required a parent to attend school with their child. It certainly speaks to the severity of the child's behavior. Under no circumstances should he have been in a mainstream classroom. That he is only 6 years old and is already displaying signs of extreme emotional disturbance is very unsettling. The state of public education is disgraceful.

You are 100% spot on about parents getting enraged about consequences at school and the kids running the school is exactly what ehat happens. Parent your dang kids! The rest of the world has to deal with them for their entire lives.

@AbstractM0use

Жыл бұрын

Not only did my parents not get mad at teachers for trying to discipline me, if I got spanked at school, the teacher would call and tell my parents why I got spanked, and I'd get a spanking from my Dad for getting spanked at school.

I used to be a preschool teacher and whenever you called the front desk to get help, they tell you, you're a professional handle it!!! My question is why are these children even put in the classroom with regular kids? We spent all our time trying to control that child in the other kids don't are cheated out of it and education. I just took a course on substitute teaching but I've since changed my mind

@granny58

Жыл бұрын

They're worse to substitutes

@chrissyellem7397

Жыл бұрын

I was a substitute teacher in the 90's. Please find another field to go into. You will be treated like gum on the bottom of a shoe.

@mjesns77

Жыл бұрын

are schools allowed to kick a child out? like expel them?

@debbiethompson14

Жыл бұрын

@Maliem88 Yes, but they RARELY do! However, if a lot of parents complain and threatened to withdraw their children, then they may consider kicking the child out of school periods all about the money it's not about the well-being of the children.

@thatvalensteingirl

Жыл бұрын

@@mjesns77 Expulsion is viewed as an extreme last resort.

What a mess. The government, school, other individual teachers, and parents all failed this young teacher. Did they really have a parent come to school with a kid? I can't imagine any teacher being able to do their job with a parent there.

The fact that it was believed the child had a gun and it was reported to administrators three times and the administration said the day is almost over just let it go shocks the hell out of me. The child showed the gun to another child and said if he told anyone he would kill him. The child put the gun in his pocket for recess. So many failures by the school system. Two previous shootings at Newport News schools and no changes. Superintendent terminated as of February. But gets considerably large amount of money upon departure. This teacher deserves everything she can get!!!

I'm sure the parents of the other children are very concerned about their Safety. If I was the teacher I would not go back to this school. Very traumatizing. This child should not be allowed back in this school. Parents need to be held accountable. School needs to be held accountable. Thank you Dr Grande!🎈🎊 So sad. I am glad the teacher survived.

@trinitylane2202

Жыл бұрын

I don't think he should be allowed back into any school. I know I wouldn't want to be his teacher or have a child in the same classroom. He doesn't have any problem trying to murder someone he doesn't like.

@2Bad4YOUuu

Жыл бұрын

@@trinitylane2202 My thoughts exactly 💯 🤯 "Y'all can keep your kid n' home school him... M'kaayy?"

@Catlily5

Жыл бұрын

@@2Bad4YOUuu I know a teacher that travelled to students homes to give them lessons. Some of those kids were murderers.

@cathichristian4142

Жыл бұрын

@@trinitylane2202 I agree. I am certainly not an expert but I believe that some people are born sociopaths. This kid may be one of them. It is so very unusual for a child to want to set their teacher on fire and watch them die. Something is very wrong with that child and he should be locked up in a mental hospital before he successfully kills someone. In a city near me, a child was simply walking to class and a homeless man stabbed her to death totally unprovoked. We have mentally ill that are allowed to live on the streets in filth and not getting the care they need to protect themselves and others.

@sharonmoore5580

Жыл бұрын

I hear you, but if they were so concerned for their safety, how on earth was this child able to gain possession of THEIR handgun?

Parents should be charged and the administrator who could have prevented this. I'll never send my kids to public schools.

@Heynmffc

Жыл бұрын

Charging admin isn’t going to help. All it will do is set a President that admins call someone else to take the liability (SRO/cop). Sometimes delaying a response for places without on-site sros.

@denischabriddell986

Жыл бұрын

@@Heynmffc Why shouldn't the administrators not be charged they have been playing kick the can down the road for quite sometime it seems they are as much to blame as the parents.

Absolutely outrageous that the student's IEP requires his parents to be in the classroom with him. How distracting was this kid in the classroom? Every kid deserves an education, INCLUDING all of those other kids in the classroom. Now they're traumatized for life, after watching their teacher get shot. All because school officials left this very troubled child in a regular classroom & failed to intervene after reports of the gun. And I can't believe there have been no charges filed against the parents. That gun was OBVIOUSLY not properly secured!

I retired from teaching recently. Conditions like this are ramping up exponentially. It is at a critical point.

Some people are just born evil, there is no rehabilitation, just a slippery slope of horrific behavior.

@joedennehy386

Жыл бұрын

There is no such thing as evil. Thete are really bad and badly behaved people like this one. But I doubt that he has ever been disciplined

@christievanderlaan7575

Жыл бұрын

Very naive way of thinking.

@barbarafrost1364

Жыл бұрын

@@joedennehy386 I disagree. Evil does indeed exist. Just look around.

@DennisNeijmeijer

Жыл бұрын

Some brains just aren't made right. Denial doesn't solve the problem.

@jasonvaughn4886

Жыл бұрын

@@joedennehy386 When you shoot to kill, you know it's wrong, even at 6. That kid is a psychopath, not that his parents shouldn't have paid more attention, but he clearly suffers from some sort of antisocial personality disorder.

I taught elementary school for Newport News Public Schools for 6 years. I've always been an advocate for the systems approach to the safety of their employees, families and communities. In past 5 years or so with school districts across the country , teacher's voices are not always considered, parents seem to have control over administrators and teacher's dont have the support of leaders. Unfortunately, it seems as if no matter the situation, the teacher face the consequences, it's their fault and the families come out on top.

@benjamindover4337

Жыл бұрын

What is a "systems approach "?

@nataliemauzone4689

Жыл бұрын

@Benjamin Dover Professional Developments on strategies/practices on behavioral discipline programs and preventions. School- wide behavioral programs that promote positive behavior incentives, family engagement and student recognition for behavioral improvement. We've lost some things along the way...

@mathewgrelr7084

Жыл бұрын

Was the school involved a rich area or poor?

@dextermorgan1

Жыл бұрын

@@mathewgrelr7084 You mean was it a predominantly black or white school? It was black. No surprise there. Yes, this is a raci*t statement. It's also true.

@LDiamondz

Жыл бұрын

@@mathewgrelr7084 Newport News, VA is definitely not a rich area.

wtf is wrong with the parents that they don't, can't, won't discipline their brats?! Parents should be held accountable for what their offspring do that harms others. It's scary to send kids to school nowadays more than ever!

*Don't underestimate what a kid can learn from just watching!* Watching his parents, watching tv, watching KZread, etc.!

My sister retired 2 years ago after 20 years as a special needs teacher. I’ve heard stories of many kids like this. It wore her out, trying to deal with violent 6, 7, and 8 year olds. She didn’t want to retire, but to hear her tell it, it sounded like at times her job was similar to a correction officer’s. The district put behavioral problem students in the same classroom as Downs Syndrome kids, so she’d be teaching one kid to count and tie his shoes, and in the same class struggling to deal with a violent little thug whose dad was in prison and his mom on crack. It was a mess.

@hauntedbearchild

Жыл бұрын

They used to have reform schools for kids like that. What happened? Special education means nothing any longer.

@This-Is-My-Little-Corner

Жыл бұрын

@@hauntedbearchild They still do but only at the high school level in my State

@CanadianMonarchist

Жыл бұрын

@@hauntedbearchildUnfortunately reform schools were notorious for abuse. If we could bring back reform schools without the abuse that would be wonderful.

@juneyshu6197

Жыл бұрын

True!

@CanadianMonarchist

Жыл бұрын

@@user-account-not-found She didn’t advocate for child abuse.

we have every reason to blame complacent, ignorant school officials; the chaotic system then encourages society to "hug the shooter/murderer," encouraging them to do what they do. and then as years go by, the crimes & grievances multiply and they eventually end up in prison. i understand how schools have difficulty finding teachers at all.

@fredajordan5704

Жыл бұрын

Scott . I can only fully agree. who wants to become a teacher today? Just like a cop or first responder, you never know if you come home in the evening, no thank you....

@haruuuuu1115

Жыл бұрын

this is 100% spot on. i used to teach in this same district, just at a middle school, and i have several friends and colleagues that still work there. there is a HUGE push in teachers to just sweep things under the rug and not rock the boat. they want bodies in the room, basically, not significant teachers. the lack of support for discipline and academics is crazy. yes they’ll pay you pretty well, compared to where you’re living. and yes, they’ll give you all the newest gizmos and gadgets. but any clear, decisive steps to discipline? no. any real procedure on getting a kid clearly in the wrong placement to a better one? nope. at my new school, it took me 2 months to get one child from my regular classroom to a school that specialized in this specific needs. i didn’t even have steps to do that at the school i worked at in this same district as this shooting. it’s insane.

This story and how it happened us a nightmare. Thank you Dr. Grande. These situations do not draw new teachers to the profession.

This is what it's like daily in all blc schools.

What's wrong with that kid's mind?

I know someone who teaches public school in the same geographic area as this case. She has seen horrifying behavior by parents- physically fighting on school grounds with each other- and has so many students that have parents designated with "no contact allowed" or are living with relatives other than their parents, or are in the care of just one parent, etc. And then the issue of communicating with parents about behavior problems or academic failings- the fact that the KIDS have openly spoken about trying to get teachers fired that they don't like- all adds up to chaos. Administrators are not supportive of teachers, being more worried about test scores and keeping parents off their backs. The constant testing. The problems related to constant cell phone use and abuse. The addiction to social media. Having 7th and 8th graders arriving to class drunk or high. Our public schools are a reflection of the society providing the students! This particular student sounds like a candidate for an exorcism, however! And while I am not diagnosing anyone at this point(!) his actions certainly seem psycho or sociopathic! I cannot imagine this child ever NOT being a danger to himself or others. Bottom line, however, is that every person in that school is being held hostage to the needs of the student in question. Administration did nothing to alleviate the chaos in the classroom, or the rest of the school. If the student had a "plan" that included the necessary attendance of a parent everyday, why was he allowed to attend without a parent?? Why was the teacher told to "drop it" when desperately seeking help from Administrators?! What a mess!! We are turning out graduates who cannot read, or think, or handle basic math- just to keep up appearances? But they can all access their apps, and use inappropriate ones with ease! Sigh.....thank you for filling in many pertinent details in this case. Sheds more light on this particular situation, even if that light shows the deeper problems present! Can you examine the case of our current rage filled, mass shooting happy, hate propelled and ignorant society? I am seeking insight! And solutions!

@juneyshu6197

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for caring. It troubles me, our society losing morals and values, and yes, faith.

@delicatelace8830

Жыл бұрын

My son went to public school, at one point we took him out. Attended Catholic school for 2 years. Went back for 3 years, then graduated,this was in the late 1990's. Today I believe there is no reason to send your precious child to any public school anymore, home schooling is the a answer.

@byuftbl

Жыл бұрын

For real it usually comes from a breakdown in the family, kids who have two parents who are well adjusted and good citizens are getting the proper care and don’t do things like this. But when there’s no parent, a single parent, a parent in jail or on drugs, that kid isn’t getting the boundaries and loving discipline kids need. Then these kids grow up and have kids with absolutely no idea how to parent.

@kaiyakershaw1028

Жыл бұрын

@@delicatelace8830 homeschooling is a great solution for some children and families, but it’s not the right choice for many. Do we want the parents of children who are out of control, throwing furniture, and threatening teachers to be in charge of preparing that child educationally and emotionally to be a productive citizen? It seems that if they’re not able to handle the child in the afternoons and evenings outside of school hours, adding more time that they’re solely responsible for the child’s care would not be a great idea. Plus, schools are where the majority of child abuse cases are first identified and reported. If everyone was responsible for educating their own children at home with no safeguards against parents who abuse their child(ren), we would end up with more child fatalities and many more who grow up maladjusted and perpetuate the behavior when they have children. There are plenty of parents who aren’t abusers who still aren’t good candidates for primary educator of their children.

@kaseys2004

Жыл бұрын

@@byuftbl I'm a single parent but i had help from my parents which I'm thankful for. She is graduating in a month and has done amazing. The problem is also no discipline or feeling loved. I think absentee fathers should be held more accountable. They make kids and leave the moms to deal with them. Yeah there are crappy moms I'm not saying that there aren't. Just there less father figures than there used to be. If some men could start being held responsible (instead of just a monthly contribution) first raising their children some if this might decrease. Yet in this case that gun was not secure bc he either knew where the key was to the gun lock or it was never locked to begin with. It should have been in a safe since he had mental issues. He shouldn't have been in a normal classroom. He should have had a specialized class bc he is hindering his classmates. Kids with special needs should have the right to school that is designed for them. Now I feel if u have a gun in your home it should be locked up or at least teach your kid gun safety (if they r mentally sound.) Being from the south guns are normal here, there's constant hunting. My child was taught gun safety very young. She knew never to touch or if she was holding never to aim at anyone. She has been to gun ranges and knows how to clean, load, and fire a weapon. With the way the world is going and how some men can't understand the word no i admit i want her licensed to carry, yet her joining the National Guard i know she will be. Not all single parent homes are bad just there's lots of failing going on. You have to work to survive but you are given crap for working bc your kid is alone, it can be a lose lose situation.

The mother needs to be held accountable for this. And if I was this teacher, I would sue the family, as well as the school. Disgraceful.

The mother needs to go to jail and the victim needs to sue her for all she’s worth.