Anytime I hear the word sustain, I immediately think of Gary Moore. What a player and used sustain and feedback to musical perfection! Awesome video guys!

@damirkaleb8092

5 ай бұрын

100% !!!

I was studying but this seemed More Important.

@zakariahsiles4825

3 жыл бұрын

LOL Great honest comment

@jamesbell1701

3 жыл бұрын

Ha ha. Brilliant!

@ericcrapton8275

3 жыл бұрын

You made the right call. Its because it is more important. You could go get a sandwich and that guitar would still be sustaining

@iknowright6090

2 жыл бұрын

Seemed?

@Ram-zw7qz

Жыл бұрын

This is studying

When Robert Fripp & Brian Eno recorded the droning guitar part on Heroes, they marked points on the floor which gave the optimum feedback for each note. Brings a whole new meaning to tap dancing!

@justinpalmer6098

3 жыл бұрын

Ted Nugent regularly did this on stage during rehearsals as well. He would mark different spots on the floor with tape and each spot fed back differently. I read that somewhere probably 20 years ago

@javiceres

3 жыл бұрын

Up with this

@matthewdemby9852

3 жыл бұрын

@@justinpalmer6098 it sounds like such an obvious thing to do in retrospect but the creativity to have come up with the idea in the first place can only be admired

@ChrisCollinsGuitar

3 жыл бұрын

Gary moore too

@blakegriffith1835

3 жыл бұрын

Zappa had A circuit he put into his guitars to help him control feedback and he could get what he wanted out of any hall he played in.

For the last six weeks , I’ve been out on medical leave from work due to knee replacement surgery ,, the upside is I get to watch TPS on my 75 inch tv an my surround sound system in my living room , instead of my cell phone at work. Major diffearance ,, luv you guys !

I'm genuinely saddened that Mick didn't come back with a cup of tea after putting the Les Paul on the chair and leaving shot at the beginning.

@ThatPedalShow

3 жыл бұрын

Ah man. That would have worked!

@aymericmarchand3472

3 жыл бұрын

Classic!😉

@merbertancriwalli8622

3 жыл бұрын

Too much tongue... (said the...)

@adumbberg

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking a sandwich, but yeah, exactly...

@Hitperson

3 жыл бұрын

i was really hoping sandwich

I have a cheap Tele which had an issue with the neck pocket. It was just a hair wider that the neck. I decided to remove the neck, fill the gap with wood glue and screw it back on. The next day I tried it and I was astounded by the results. Essentially I had a bolt-on + glued-on neck. Not only it sustained much longer, but the frequency responce was broader, with more low mids and more punch. I liked it so much that I did it to my Fender guitars as well, with similar results.

@billytremoloband7456

3 жыл бұрын

That sounds like a great idea! Might try it on my chepo Strat!

I really enjoy how you guys start at the most basic level and build upon the foundation. A lot of people would either gloss over the basic concept of sustain or fail to get very far past the basic concept. It's great than when you are demoing effects pedals that you get into what the effect actually is and use the pedals to show that instead of just showcasing the pedal.

I have never thought "I wish this guitar had more sustain" it always baffled me when people said it. However, I have always felt that note "bloom" was a better word for it. I never cared for the length of the decay, but its vocal quality (where that low level feedback that you demonstrate here gives it the mojo). Great episode guys, really cool.

@ThatPedalShow

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, very nicely put Alex!

Trey Anastasio is a master of sustain and writes songs based on sustain and feedback. He's using a hollowbody guitar into a compressor and two modified TS-9's, which help him mightily. As always, thanks for the show, gentlemen! I'm glad you're back, together, in the room! :)

@paulcowart3174

3 жыл бұрын

You know it's funny how I keep coming back to my modded TS 9 Old faithful tried and true Really that and my favorite fuzz and I'm usually good Rarely run more than four pedals Fuzz - TS - Echo - Tremolo.....

@planetdog1641

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Mr. Sawyer

For a really natural mod to the note envelope, try turning your pick round - play with one of the 'blunt' points and you'll get a really natural compression effect. Works really well with clean tones.

@Bunn4Funn

3 жыл бұрын

Ive played like that for years !!

@Kevin-the-Just

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bunn4Funn. Me too, but almost nobody ever mentions it.

@onenotesolo256

3 жыл бұрын

Nice way to fatten up the tone / take a bit of brightness out.

New challenge idea: get the decades in a jar (50s - 2020s) and sort it out between you two, each one needs to play the guitar sounds of that decade using 3 pedals + an amp and a guitar

@BigSh00tsie

3 жыл бұрын

i vote "Aye" to this.

@bucklberryreturns

3 жыл бұрын

A difficult one this for me, as which would you pick for, let's say the 70s? Stadium rock, prog rock, punk? Good idea nonetheless 🙂

@tjukkv

3 жыл бұрын

I'd like this too!

@chrisdavies9143

3 жыл бұрын

Great idea

@BarnacleButtock

3 жыл бұрын

how tf would you define guitar tone from 2010-2020? all digital pedals?

Why do I love this show so much? It's so great to see the two of you back in the room

@ThatPedalShow

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

When I last saw soundgarden they did the same thing of just leaving the guitars and bass sustaining for 10-15 minutes before the encore... it was the loudest sound I’ve ever heard, completely amazing

@johnheath970

3 жыл бұрын

I saw Bob Mould do that back in the 80’s. He leaned his Gibson in front of the cab and it fed back for probably 20 minutes during intermission or something. Even then I knew it was a trick because there’s no way that thing could’ve sustained the same note like it did. It was basically a static note that never changed the whole time. Brilliant that you saw Soundgarden. Much respect.

@friedrudibega6384

3 жыл бұрын

Soundgarden rules. Saw them open up for Skid Row for Louder than Love and headline at Red Rocks. They did the feedback thing when they headlined. I didn't stay for Skid Row.

@scaramouche49

3 жыл бұрын

Ouh I remember Kevin Shields doing the same with his bloody valentine at a gig in France when Loveless hit the planet

@Scoots1994

3 жыл бұрын

I saw Motorhead in a room that was maybe 500 square feet ... they still brought 10 full double stacks of 4x12 cabs. I couldn't really hear well after that. That was the loudest thing I've ever heard. As for sustain and feedback and harmonics and LOUD! ... Sonic Youth in 1990 and Sunn (O))) in 2015.

@pabcrane

3 жыл бұрын

@@scaramouche49 - I wasn't fortunate to see them that early but did when they came back around 2008. Absolutely astounding stuff, when I closed my eyes during You Made Me Realise I started seeing colours and shapes, I thought the ceiling was going to collapse!

My favourite use of feedback is by Steve Vai on the first G3 DVD, he plays a face melting solo between Answers and For The Love Of God then sustains one note, and emphasises different harmonics on the same note by stepping about the stage, really really cool.

@martinm964

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Immediately thought of this also. Goosebumps every time.

@zerohourdrift

3 жыл бұрын

G3 is something else lol. The Eric Johnson stuff on there like red house is amazing. Actually speaking of Eric Johnson, he has some of the best “sustaining” tone out there imo

Ok, work day is over and I’ve adequately digested the episode. ‘Twas a fantastic jaunt through the realities of sustain. It’s such an integral part of getting the life outta the notes that I just always feel when a setup is giving it. Hope you’re both doing well, all my love ❤️.

32:25 - Had a similar experience in a stringed instrument shop in North London in '97. Playing one of the cheapest cellos in a room containing comfortably £1m+ worth of instruments, I felt like an absolute hero. Remains one of the most transcendent hours of my life even after the birth of the children. Utterly transformative.

You guys are awesome. That intro was just what I needed today. I literally went and rewatched Spinal Tap and then cam back and finished this video. Thank you, again!

@ThatPedalShow

3 жыл бұрын

Haha! You’re welcome matey 🤓👍

OMG i have been wanting to ask for THIS exact show for 3 years! You guys are the best! Thank you! 🤘🙏🙏🙏🙏

Glad you guys cleared that up. So many videos look at 'sustain' 30 seconds out and determine things like strat necks sustain longer or steel girders sustain longer (Jason Seaborn), or heavy blocks sustain more. But few realize what you want is a loud 'decay' - or the sustain of the first millisecond or second or maybe two. And the more compression, reverb, delay and natural sustain you have, the less overdrive/distortion you need, and the less fizzy your tone.

At long last! This episode has sustained our curiosity for years at this point; from times way back in the pedal shed 1.0! Most definitely deserves some feedback...+1 from me!

Masterpiece! Such a great episode with a special atmosphere too. Thank you very much!

My 2 year just asked for the intro to be played again. She loved it 🤣🤣🤣 it's the feedback and the hair!

Not sure if it has been mentioned, but I feel honor-bound to point out that this video is conspicuously devoid of any Stonehenge monument--either life-size, or in danger of being crushed by a resident of Khazad-dûm... [Edit: SO good to see you guys back in the room.]

@ThatPedalShow

3 жыл бұрын

Aaahhhhhhh!!! He was confused!

@kurtisr2339

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThatPedalShow this has absolutely solidified Movie Night. Spinal Tap, and if there's time, A Mighty Wind. "Weh-helllll..." WHERE IS THE DISCUSSION OF SUSTAIN IN "OLD JOE'S PLACE"?!?!?

@MarkRigler

3 жыл бұрын

They are not that far from Stonehenge

Great great show guys!!! So much info

Great video as always. Thanks for posting.

Very interesting video, looking forward to watching all of it tonight.

Once again, an episode of TPS sends me to the place I'd been trying to find. I did play at some pretty serious volume and got a feel for how things were behaving. THEN, I wound my clean preamp up until I could just feel/hear a touch of compression (small combo, but very clean headroom amp). This made the harmonics so much more alive. I have a proper contraption of drives (and this is mostly your fault, fellas!). Before it was over, I backed off all 3 of my strat PU's which I would not have expected. This made for some killer clarity and less low end. Perfect. Now, with the power volume back to a more acceptable level for a house with people living in it, my drives all work together marvelously. Love it, Love it, Love it.

YES YES YES, been looking forward to this one lads

Another informative and enjoyable episode. The content was well organized and presented with wit and wisdom. And, as always, we get to hear Dan and Mick play. Not too shabby!

Sustain!! What a great subject to check out. Great idea guys.

great. alotof stuff i had suspicions about now i have the nuances of. thanks lads!

Interesting as hell. Great video chaps i learned alot. Cheers from over the pond!

Tell you gentleman something Iv got so much inspiration just to hit a note & mess around with volume is what I am craving todo it’s so strange the power of these things wtg awesome video once again, you guys are seriously legendary!

Great episode, guys. As usual, I learned more than one thing. You guys are a huge help to a hobbyist like me that doesn't really get opportunities to learn from other players very often. Its because of you fellas I enjoy my sound, thank you for all the knowledge.

This is the one about feedback I've been waiting for. Nice one!

Opening on a Spinal Tap reference? Yep, this is gonna be epic. All my love, will touch base again after I’ve seen it in its entirety.

Enthusiasm is contagious! You two having a genuinely fun time really does come across to us out here. Keep it up! Sustain is a blast with electrics, especially with fuzz. But my occasional bane is with acoustics, especially when looping. L.R. Baggs Para Di has a pretty good notch to go hunting around with but when feedback wants to be a gremlin, it will. Probably made worse by vocal mic in same loop. Great to have the dynamic duo back! G

Terrific episode, you guys have really sustained us through the years !! ;)

Yes, you guys definitely should do a “help me find the right compressor” episode. Please, pleasepleaseplease

Man, I was holding it together through that entire intro, and then y’all quoted that bit from Spinal Tap and I completely lost it. Thanks for making me laugh like an idiot this morning at one of the best bits of musical comedy I’ve ever heard.

Fantastic video.

For me sustain is like you say , connection while you are playing , and instant gratification. Just bought a sg Junior p90 and the sustain went up to roof. Increíble experience

Now that's what I call an awesome Spinal Tap moment !! :D Great episode btw guys

Wow I didn't know how much I didn't know. You guys are some of the best teachers on KZread. The breath of information that you offer and the method in which you teach it makes it so any one can understand it. You guys are the best.

@ThatPedalShow

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Mark!

The animations with the waveforms were really cool

I love this - it's all feedback, really. Far too many think that word just refers to the effect of high-pitched screaming notes, rather than to any and all changes in the guitar's response resulting from the sound of the amp.

Thanks so much guys! Been starting the investigation into this rabbit hole and didn’t know where to go. Yeah!

You two are endlessly entertaining... and knowledgeable of course. Never stop.

Really useful. It occurs to me that understanding the frequencies at which your different guitars really resonate - like the Les Paul was so lively at D, for example, but the 335 was different - could inform your guitar choice for songs in different keys (assuming you're blessed with such a choice, obviously!) Lots of informative and thought provoking stuff there. Really appreciate it. Thanks both of you.

Mick regarding the ebow type device “Don’t get caught in the trap of doubt “ Sounded great and showed your improvisational skill Great show Dan is such a sage

Love the Spinal Tap references boys, incredible :)

thanks guys - I needed this today

Habits kept puts a strain on creativity , and that is where real art is found.

This was one of the most interesting episodes of TPS I've ever watched. Not too dissimilar to a research paper in video form, all you need is some citations and Bob's your uncle XD. Also, loving the beard Dan!

Some years back I frequently used a guitar with a hex pickup through a Roland synth unit. It was amazingly freeing to play 'sax' or 'flute' and not have to fight note decay with a clean tone and without compression.

Nothing more comfortable than staring into another mans eyes and wagging your tongue. You guys are the best.

@kimmolingonheimo

3 жыл бұрын

Frank Zappa got hospitalized for years for staring at the audiences girlfriend! I recall one bigger gig ( for me) I wasplaying where the audience was just black mass ( the stage lights...), really coudnt differentiate between boyfriends or girlfriends..., and , maan wagging your front tail z dangerose if youre standing up close to the mic...ZZZ, electrick..., luv K ; )

@ViaMichaelRocks

3 жыл бұрын

It was a lovely moment.

I remember I acquired that EOB Strat I had never heard of before after seing Ed himself playing it with you guys and this is an absolute (and afordable, Fender-wise) marvel. Which leads me to the opportunity to thank you again for this (and so many other) discovery!

I really like that dry clean, low volume mixed with a hint of compression.

I've been chasing after the perfect dull "thud" but you've opened my eyes! I've had it wrong all these years ...

@jeffreyradick6486

3 жыл бұрын

... seriously though, sustain and feedback have been things I haven't really gotten a handle on but this helps a lot. Thanks!

I have an EOB strat! got one after you met him.. great show as always chaps.

This was truly one of the most informative guitar videos I've EVER watched. Thank you.

@ThatPedalShow

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers JT

Nicely explained! As always...;)

The intro made me smile so much

This show came at just the right time for me. Only this week have I been falling in love again with the guitar tones by Keith Scott on Bryan Adams albums. The sustain Keith Scott gets out of his original 1963 strat and the Gretsch for songs like Everything I do, I do it for You on both solos and held chords is just jaw dropping. Such tasty playing. I would love to hear Mick do a version of Please Forgive me by Bryan Adams as I reckon Mick’s voice and strat sounds are similar. No one writes songs with Guitar tones and solos like Bryan Adams and Keith Scott any more.

@ThatPedalShow

3 жыл бұрын

Ah man, thanks Tim! I still listen to Reckless all the time. The guitar tones on that record - not to mention the songwriting - still blow me away. Just awesome! Mick here, obvs.

Very insightful! I’ve been chasing sustain all wrong.

That Spinal Tap bit... you guys are overgrown kids and we love you for it. :) Still, you consistently get about the best guitar tones in the youtube guitar galaxy. And share great advice... So... Thanks for that.

@ThatPedalShow

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Instantly knew it would be a Tap gag. All-time top 5 comedy. And Trey Anastasio of Phish is a master of sustain.

Channeling a little Syd there Mick... Interesting episode. Nothing you guys haven't covered before in various ep's, but it's useful to have all the info in one place. Cheers... G (who haz hayfever)

Thanks to you guys I have two must have items on my first pedalboard. EQ! TUNER! You guys put on a top notch production that looks great, sounds great and more importantly is chock full of absolute nuggets of info. Thank you!

@ThatPedalShow

3 жыл бұрын

Yay! Thank you!

My first episode for a fair while, I thought the lack of barbers in lockdown had sent Mick’s barnet wild!

Great episode, guys! One trick you didn't mention is something you both do (everybody does) quite intuitively is to maintain sustain on a single fretted note by introducing new transients - wobbling the string like a nano bend, not enough to change pitch much. It's especially noticeable when the frets have lost their crowns and the string catches on the ridges. It's a glorious sound. I think SRV was the first player I noticed doing it.

my years of dreams flashes in front of my eyes when I watch this

Gary Moore always had his amp and guitar turned up to 10, he said you couldn't hear the 'true' properties of the instrument otherwise. He also said part of mastering playing live is the fight to keep everything under control at crazy volume...

That all sounded great! Glad you brought out the Ed O'Brien Strat. Whatever that TC gizmo was was bizarre. Kind of goes with a show idea I've had. You should do a challenge episode using weird devices to make music such as the Ebow, Gizmotron, power drill a la EVH, ray gun a la Steve Stevens and whatever other weird things you guys can find. Cheers.

Exactly! Quality of interaction is the goal. Note decay quality is a necessary part of musical interaction. All elements in the chain of sound creation and delivery within the artists listening space contribute to inform them of the quality of their contribution in real time. Music creation requires sharing quality time. Is there no musicality without or beyond time?

I think that was the best solo I've ever heard dan play at 23:50. Mick will struggle to beat that one.

Hilarious opening !! And very interesting show !! Snowy White is known for being able to get some incredible feedback sustain with his famed old Gold Top - a 59 I think.

Great show guys. I remember my first acoustic, my brother in law used to go crazy over how much “sustain” it has. I’d no dammed clue what he was talking about, haha. Still have the guitar, and it is actually pretty good for a sub $500. With my electrics, I find I don’t have too much of an issue getting harmonic feedback in my wee studio, rather, it’s far too easy to get into nasty, screeching, uncontrollable feed back, even with my little amps (bassbreaker 15c, katana 100 2x12c, and black star Artist 15c)

thx soooo much - this is the topic I have been pleading for - I was slightly despairing when I saw the pedal board (I can't afford the chase bliss pre-amp let alone 2 great amps and the rest) - I predicted I would eventually see "my" EOB strat (tho mine wasn't given to me by EOB) - slightly disappointed that it didn't have the whammy bar - cos that's way fun - you did inadvertently address my big issue : polyphonic sustain through EQ and compression - tho you have to do a whole episode about the latter (as you both said) - a lot of the ep was also DAW friendly and I thank you for that

@hexaet

3 жыл бұрын

also it was funny that Dan (sounds like Kiwi but is Australian) was asked about an english accent for the genuinely lovely "Pedals the Musical" by the JHS crew

GREAT!! 💕 What a nice theme! What will be my next pedal??? 😂

"The way you shape that... thing" is a great t-shirt waiting to be made.

Cool show. I think volume / sustain often get mistaken for gain. Just received a Ceriatone JM 50 and it’s amazing to just play clean, rings out forever. Haven’t felt the need to put a pedal into it, yet.

I love your Spinal Tap bit hahaha.

Obviously it’s goes to 11😁! You guys always make my day. ❤️

The attach of the LP was so much higher than the strat and that is why the LP won. On an amplifier the feedback network can diminish the sustain. Thanks guys great show!

I wanted to hear your thoughts on this topic since 2017 :-D thank you and cheers from germany!

Superb episode. I have a goofy tele style guitar with a bigsby and mirrored pick guard, and I tell people that the mirror helps the sustain... weirdly the guitar does sustain like crazy 😄

From a distance that Les Paul body looks ok, however the closer shots show the most fantastic pattern. Soooo sweet.

Guys, I really dig your studio. It looks amazing. I hope the acoustics there is as good as I imagine it to be

@ThatPedalShow

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Luiz. To be honest the room could do with more sound - it’s very dead... which helps for dialogue, but is pretty flat for music. Cheers!

The spinal tap intro is awesome!

What is the pre on your board w/the 6 band eq ? I play a thin line tele, les Paul and first run National Reso- lectric. So, a broad tonal palette to rein in and that looks like it can handle it... Thanks Jimmy “Wildroot” Dolan

This is one of the most fascinating videos you guys have done in a long time. I was literally glued to the screen and will be watching again. If nothing else, the discussion you guys had and some things you left unsaid that became apparent helped me understand more of my own preferences. One thing that bugs me...I'm not convinced that single coils are more dynamic than humbuckers. Dynamic range is about the difference between the loudest sound a thing can make without distorting (itself) and its noise floor. Humbuckers drive an amp/pedal into distortion more easily because their output is higher, and their noise floor is lower from picking up so much less hum. I'm pretty sure that if you actually measured it apples-to-apples, humbuckers would have as much dynamic range if not more. The difference is more so that something about Strats and Teles (specifically) reward you for playing harder while Les Pauls (again, specifically) reward a much lighter touch. You can't play them the same way and expect the same results; it's not just about what happens to the signal electrically....LPs just choke out if you hit them the way SRV hit his Strat...the sound dies almost immediately. And you guys have both said that you play hard. I'm totally convinced that's why you (and most people) prefer the guitars you do...they match your playing style. As for why that's the case, I wouldn't hazard a guess. I would, however, bet that you could count the number of people in the world who really understand why on one hand, and I'd bet one of them is named Paul.

Mic, thank you for your feedback. It's greatly welcome!

@pabcrane

3 жыл бұрын

Very droll : )

Great video! Anyone know how to get the feedback in the intro of Van Halen - Learning to See. Is he using a sustainer pickup?

Just been listening to the McLaughlin/Santana "Love Devotion Surrender" album and some of the sustain, ( and without finger vibrato) from Carlos Santana is incredible.

This reminded me of the common reflection that some of our favourite tones from records (especially from heavier bands) have less gain than we imagine. The guitar signal may be cleaner but when it's processed in post, the compression that is added makes it behave as if there were more gain. Ie the benefit of gain with the benefit of more clarity.

I’ve been using pedals to manipulate the attacks and trails of my guitar. The relevance of this video is straight spooky dawg

Keaggy has done some nice things with an eBow, years back ... They seem to like humbucker pickups as I recall. Great show as usual.

@steveinman1512

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, and did Dandalf trim his beard a bit? Just when I was getting inspired to grow mine out ....

Cheers guys, interesting ... very interesting. Love a bit of Holdsworth when I'm in the mood but also really dig Jimmy James playing with the Delvon Lamarr Trio, that Silvertone he uses is all lo-fi plink and crashy reverb, perfect in its own way. Horses very much for courses. Best wishes. :)

Hi Mick and Dan! I'm still at the early parts of the video, but here's just a little idea. I would normalize the peaks of the Strat and Les Paul waves for the sustain comparison. They obviously have different envelopes and different outputs, but the Strat might 'win' in the total sustain 'race' if we normalize. Moreover, amp and other equipment choice following the guitars, and the way those are optimized for that particular guitar would have a significant effect on the final amplified sustain picture. You are my favorite in KZread. Cheers from Turkey!