I personally think camo is overrated for deer hunting. I've had them walk right up to me while wearing jeans and a t-shirt. Being still is far more important.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

(If you are a Marx Bro’s fan) How the deer got into the jeans and a t-shirt, I have no idea. Yeah, with little to no movement deer have a hard time identifying you. What it really gets down to is the quality of engineering that goes into the garment to keep you out longer. And if you are paying for that engineering, if the camo has a better blendablity for a certain environment, it may be the way to go.

@PatrickKniesler

2 жыл бұрын

@@CamoMatrix I'd really enjoy if you could take a look at some vintage photos of hunters and put them through deer vision. Plaid shirts and other things. A black, red, and white plaid should be interesting. Does the block size or weave density on the plaid matter? Maybe matching it to your environment is more important. Maybe you can find studio pictures of new shirts for sale in the same color range. It would also be interesting to highlight things that really do not work for whatever reason.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

@@PatrickKniesler I will see what I can do. I did put flannel and jeans in some newer videos.

@jonatanmurray2977

2 жыл бұрын

They smell you,they ear you,they see you, in that order.

@BostonianBroker

Жыл бұрын

Me too I had a basket 8 walk within 10 feet in normal clothing when checking my cans. Had several deer approaching me within 2ft! Just sitting with my back on a tree in normal cano

This is all great, but playing the wind and movement is THE most important.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely true… and luck

@joeybennett1491

2 жыл бұрын

Wind and movement (plus luck) far outweigh anything you’ll wear in the field. The quality of the textile is much more important than what’s printed on it.

@hunterhills3047

2 жыл бұрын

I rock Sitka waterfowl gear because I don’t get cold and it’s so comfortable and I already have it for waterfowl hunting.

@tykeni6521

2 жыл бұрын

I think some camos do buy you some movement if you have a good backdrop.

Here is the secret art of camouflage: 1. Stand still. Movement attracts the eye, so its harder to see a still target, even in bright clothing. Also, don't have a distinct smell or make loud noises. 2. Disruption. Wearing patterns which disrupt color and shape will obscure the large solid patches of color of regular clothes. Taking old T-shirts and spraypainting brushlike lines will do this. 3. Colors. Camo patterns with colors which match your environment will help you blend in significantly. 4. Break up shape. Wear garments which break up and obscure your human shape. Focus on the hard angles of your body (waist, crotch, underarms, neck, head) if you can make these hard angles disappear, you will too. 5. Texture. The textures of your camo must match your environment. This is why tiger stripe works well in bamboo forests but nowhere else. Texture. 6. 3D. The final stage of disappearing is total mimicry of your environment, such as ghillie suits with local vegetation encorperated

Very interesting to see it this way. Thanks for the video!

@CamoMatrix

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. For the most part, these patterns don’t change much. I would say the biggest advantage deer vision really adds for us it that we can wear orange as safety. As long as we are wearing something that is similar to the background, no movement and no blue or reflective bright colors are key.

Wow. That’s great info. Thank you.

Excellent analysis - great data for someone new to hunting! Thank you for the information!

@CamoMatrix

Жыл бұрын

Be sure to watch my newer videos on deer vision.

Superb idea and great execution man!!

@CamoMatrix

3 жыл бұрын

I have more in the works.

Great video. Hope to see another like this one with a larger field in view. Good info to know.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Can you describe what you would like to see? I am currently driving cross country collecting photos for new videos.

Very impressed with the First Lite patterns, and the Veil Whitetail pattern. The Sitka Elevated II was a lot better on the ground than I thought it would be. Great video, can’t wait for more.

@CamoMatrix

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I am working on more with more patterns. I hope to have them out soon.

@kaosactual1

2 жыл бұрын

I thought they were terrible. Not impressed at all. Especially for the price. Only first lite cipher was decent enough. Veil whitetail may have been the worst.

@nt3523

11 ай бұрын

@@kaosactual1 Most do suck. Sitka and Kuiu both suck. The cheap ones and Kryptek looked the best.

I've never been noticed so little by deer when I started wearing Kryptek Highlander, it is my go-to. Well done, great info!

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

The kryptek patterns are great!

@chrismoore1794

2 жыл бұрын

I wear the Highlander pattern as well.

Wow- great vid!

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Check out my updated version. kzread.info/dash/bejne/h5p5wbidYqWzZ9I.html

Really cool video thanks!

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Check out my newer ones, they pull deer vision off better.

Great Vid thanks thumbs up!

@CamoMatrix

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! Check out my newer videos. Lighting, quality and deer vision has all improved.

These tests are awesome! Thanks for doing them. My only suggestion or request is that you do them from the ground looking up into the trees is possible as most hunters are hunting from tree stands and that how most deer will view them.

@CamoMatrix

3 жыл бұрын

I will see what I can do.

@SnailHatan

3 жыл бұрын

Most hunters are not hunting from stands.

@loganthesaint

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t even have trees in my area, no one in my state hunts from a deer stand 😂

@caswellthompson6432

2 жыл бұрын

@@loganthesaint that's funny! Opposite here, everyone hunts from stands

@mikemace4435

2 жыл бұрын

Yes ...tree stand view is key if you hunt from them... Must have large patches of light color like gray to blend in with the sky

Making this video must have been gnarly. Well done and thanks

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

I have improved since then. Check out my latest video on deer vision. I currently am updating my deer vision simulation process. kzread.info

I hunt in firstlite fusion, which Performed well here, however camo is third to wind awareness and terrain. Excellent video thank you

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, i was just telling someone that if the wind isn’t right and they are moving around, they might as well wear a clown suit.

Thanks for the video. To be fair, they’re all pretty darn good at concealing. It’s obvious wind and movement are far more important than choosing a specific camo pattern

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, most do a pretty good job. I try to present them in a equal setting the best I can. It is hard for me to capture true brightness and contrast to the background but I have been improving, and adding more camo patterns. Check out my latest version: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m6qDt6aYiLbcpLA.html

Looks like I'll be buying some Browning Wasatch! Thank you for the helpful video

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Thanka. They have changed the pattern name to ATAC-TDX. Check it out on the camo matrix also: camohuntnstuff.com/camo_matrix.html

Good video. I like how you incorporated the deer vision. It appears as though most patterns will work. Some may be slightly superior than others but I wonder if enough to effect ones ability to hid from a deer.. So then it comes down to fit, the clothes function, quality and your price range. I don’t think anyone could go wrong with any of these patterns.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutley agree. Most will work perfect with no movement and the right wind.

Mossy Oak looked pretty good.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Check out my latest video for early season treestand hunting. Best Hunting Camo Pattern for Early Season Tree Stands - 88 Patterns - Part 1 Human Vision and the deer vision version

Well that was cool.. I bet this took a long while to put together. but that was really clever.. Thank you.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! It does take some time. I am up to over 90 patterns now and hopefully the quality of the video has improved also. I will have a new one coming out soon for midseason treestand.

If done by elevating the camo types...woodland camo may have an edge over the fancy stuff... I watched several times to make sure and each time the old woodland pattern had more distortion to the human shape. I know it's the green causing this 3D distortion...so it may well be the best early season choice but that is dependent on filter accuracy. Interesting experiment, I like it.

@CamoMatrix

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Woodland is a very good pattern for breaking up the human shape. If you check out this video it will put woodland up in a tree. kzread.info/dash/bejne/kad7u7yrkc3Teaw.html

Thank you for sharing this video...fascinating study and presentation. Too old to hunt anymore, but I tried an experiment in homemade camo. Took a black and white photo of the woods behind my house. Then took my old OD green boony hat and using those spongy shoe shine applicators in black and brown and a different shade of green permanent marker. Made a tri-color pattern matching what the black and white photo showed. Surprisingly worked quite good...completely broke up silohuette of my head. btw, I really liked the Browning Wasatch pattern.

@CamoMatrix

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment. I have done more of these types of videos since that one that have improved deer vision. Great that you created your own. More people should do this.

The Kuiu Verde is killer! Most popular camo patterns blob out and appear almost solid at a distance...except Mossy Oak...it disappears when you walk backward away from the computer screen.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Check out my newer videos. I have many more patterns and push the camo in the background while changing the entire screen to deer vision. Also check out the Camo Matrix i have on camohuntnstuff.com. It lets you control the camo and background.

Definitely an interesting experiment.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. The videos have been improving and I hope this experiment can be somewhat helpful

Hmm. Multi cam surprising looks fairly good. Good thing over time I have acquired a lot of OCP uniforms.

Been taking pics of myself during archery in camo in the woods and changing the photo to simulate deer vision for years now to compare.. you will learn from it....

@CamoMatrix

3 жыл бұрын

That is a great way to do it.

Good video. Really shows how a lot of camo is just sale appeal, like fishing lures. BTW...those crows found a hawk or an owl in your testing area.

@CamoMatrix

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much. I am not sure what they found. I have seen hawk fly through there and hear owls. Sometimes the crows just seem to be making racket at each other and in various places. They may see something I can't.

I always use mossy oak shirt and vintage army camouflage pants the change in pattern tends to break up my silhouette from upper body to the lower and throws their depth prescription off !! Works on our two legged friends too !!

@CamoMatrix

Жыл бұрын

Get a photo of it and send it in. I will convert it to deer vision

It would have been cool to see marpat digital camo. But cool video none-the-less. Subbed and liked from Maine. 👍

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! I did do a military version with my older camo showdown that had marpat in it. I need to redo it kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZZ-Cta5_oKy9qpM.html

That vintage army woodland is pretty impressive. Would love to see how 3D woodland would look to a deer that’s what I use.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

I did do a side by side with 3D here. RealTree Edge 3D Suit VS FIrstLite Specter - with Deer Vision kzread.info/dash/bejne/iKF_r5uSp7TcdrA.html You can also compare it to anything on my camo matrix on multiple backgrounds. Select the background here camohuntnstuff.com/camo_matrix.html

@duaneholcomb8408

2 жыл бұрын

Deer don't see coulor like we do. But they see white very good. And black very good breaking up your body shape is the most important thing. A camo that breaks up. Black green and grey helps to fool,the deer. I like drab colors my self but I hunt in big hard wood forest. I find its movement and noise that makes most hunters scare away deer I actually hunt on the ground. In too old for all that tree stand business. But each person will need slightly different techniques depending on,where and how you hunt. So good luck. Go get you a buck,,,

@redneckfarmer6584

2 жыл бұрын

I would like to see rothco camo patterns. Especially the savage orange camo.

@duaneholcomb8408

2 жыл бұрын

@@redneckfarmer6584 Fred bear. You might know of him was a famous deer hunter. Who only bow hunted with a recurve bow. Usually hunted in. A red and black flannel shirt. He once said the best camo you can have is being still and quiet. ,,,

@randybaumery5090

2 жыл бұрын

You may think I am kidding, but once you get some cover in the Louisiana woodlands in Fall, Desert Storm Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough style camouflage kicks a$$. If you have some, try it, you'll see what I mean.

One of the biggest problems with commercially manufactured hunting fabric is that they add UV brighteners to make it appear better to the human eye. As you mentioned a deer does not have an UltraViolet filter and they see in the blue-green spectrum. UV brighteners in clothing appear to Glow in low-light situations. It is the same effect as a blacklight poster when viewed under a blacklight.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Very true.

Great stuff! I would love to see this in a western/scrub chaparral environment next!!

@CamoMatrix

3 жыл бұрын

This season i will be stopping across the country and getting as many environments as i can. Have you seen my camo showdowns?

@ethanhenry5873

3 жыл бұрын

I did and they are very helpful

@CamoMatrix

3 жыл бұрын

@@ethanhenry5873 thanks, I am working on some interesting things as far as "Camo" comparisons and hope to have it available soon. stay tuned

The "Vintage Woodland BDU" hurt😂. I wore it when I joined the Army in 99'.

@CamoMatrix

3 жыл бұрын

Ha! I believe it was labeled that way in a catalog where you can purchase it.

And then you have the old men who have been hunting for decades, always tag out and don't wear a single stich of camo

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, please see the number 1 big buck killer outfit in this video i did: kzread.info/dash/bejne/kad7u7yrkc3Teaw.html

@nooneyouknowhere6148

2 жыл бұрын

If they don't see you move, hear you, or smell you, it doesn't really matter what you wear as long as it's not white. I have been sitting at the base of a tree before and fell asleep. I opened my eyes slowly without moving and four deer were walking by about 20 ft from me.

@warpedone4963

2 жыл бұрын

@@nooneyouknowhere6148 I've had deer standing next to me wearing blaze orange close enough to hit them with right hook right after I woke up.

This would be very interesting with each style inlayed over their intended environment. What's cool is the picture you used was very similar to the heavy forest near me. There were a couple of really decent ones, but I swear by old school woodland. It looked pretty good in your experiment and can be significantly cheaper than the high tech new patterns. I grew up using a BRIGHT orange jacket with sporadic splotches of black woodland pattern. I've had deer walk right up to me in a clearing, and bear walk right past me in that coat. Sweet experiment. Thanks for the video!

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment and for watching. I have many new videos with different backgrounds and a growing massive list if patterns. Check out my video list on my channel.

@lostpyper6973

2 жыл бұрын

@@CamoMatrix bahaha....ya, I see now. Great stuff!. Subscribed.

So should we wear blaze orange full clothing like some states up north instead of camo

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

If you wear a blaze with a black pattern, you may blend in just as well as many camo patterns. If you check out my new showdown videos, like this one, kzread.info/dash/bejne/oICHrMmplJzPgZM.html you will notice a little blaze orange figure that i apply the same red removing filter to when i switch to deer vision. It also disappears. I may need to do a blaze orange only video.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Speaking of blaze, Take a look at this one: kzread.info/dash/bejne/a3Wcq9SKesquc9Y.html

Good video if you can do an update adding OCP, AF ABU's, USN AOR2 NWU III, A-tacs, MARPAT woodland. It would be nice to see how the digital patterns are viewed Marpat, AOR.

@CamoMatrix

Жыл бұрын

Maybe i should just do a military camo version?

Since you tested a few military camos I would have loved to see flecktarn. Works really well in fall midwest woods.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe i will do another military lineup with it. Or a camo showdown with it.

And here I thought my browning hells canyon was on the lower end! Looks great to me.

@CamoMatrix

Ай бұрын

From what i have learned in my research is that you can’t go wrong if you are “close” to the general color of the environment. Check your fabric for UV brighteners, have a little foreground and background cover and move as little as possible.

I would like to see some military patterns, like the old spetznaz SS leto/partizan camo and digital patterns from today

What do they see in the winter snow

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

If I had to guess, a bright snowy day would be tough on them and may limit movement and keep them in deep cover since they lack a UV filter making it blinding bright. But on overcast snow days, I would imaging they see very well but still, without that red cone, the browns, oranges, reds and anything in that end of he spectrum would appear dull or grey. So, if you check out these vides with snow, you can see how the deer vision affects it. I have done a few snow versions of the camo showdown: FirstLite Cipher VS Fusion VS Specter kzread.info/dash/bejne/enWaraqRn5eoc9I.html Sitka Elevated II - Open Country - SubAlpine kzread.info/dash/bejne/hYSJ1qeDobDdZrw.html Kuiu Valo VS Verde VS Vias kzread.info/dash/bejne/Znqix7xxgNO3g9o.html Also included snow in the new showdowns. if you check out my latest videos.

Mossy Oak looked like the best, though that might largely be in part of the specific background it's against. That said, this goes to show just how important the subtle usage of black is in camouflage. Patterns that incorporate the proper amount of black give that sense of depth that really blends the pattern into the environment.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Those dark to light variations can make or break a patterns ability to break up the human shape

@lumpyzx2645

2 жыл бұрын

Mossy oak hands down is one of if not the best 2d camo, if one of their patterns doesn't do the job then another will, realtree is more expensive and sticks out like a sore thumb, I avoid realtree altogether, I don't really look for cqmo clothes anymore but if something I get is camo, whether it's mossy oak or realtree may make or break my decision, if realtree is the only option and it's something I really want/need then I'll get it, but I don't think I own anything realtree anymore, thats one pattern I can pick out almost as easy as blaze orange most of the time

@AHSValor

2 жыл бұрын

@@lumpyzx2645 And then there's Kryptek, which is extremely expensive, and frankly overpriced, for the promise. Their asking price for royalties on military contracts is absurd. Movement and noise discipline still stands as the most important over camo, though. Camo is really key when you're hunting things with vision that beats a human's

Asat, Northeast Ohio hardwoods, shot them from 5 yrds out,( last 15yrs wearing it)also Real Tree Hardwoods grey,old pattern 😘 No Predator Fall grey ?choice color for pants Best Regards over there,,,, great vid 👍🏻

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

I have Predator patterns in newer videos. I have a new one coming up in a few days with almost 90 patterns with human and deer vision.

@michaelkuzeppa7539

2 жыл бұрын

@@CamoMatrix awesome! Looking forward to it, great work thus far,I personally believe with all the hrs I’ve spent in the woods ,over the last 27 blessed yrs,in Northeast Ohio, Deer vision is based on movement, sitting very still with st clothes on,they never paid no attention at all, as soon as I moved, stood up, white rear ends going every direction, my Opinion, oh TGIF! Too

Top 5 from this scenario: The Browning Wasatch Kryptek Mandrake Mossy Oak Realtree Timber Vintage Army Woodland

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Would you like to see any of them compared in the new camo showdown with deer vision?

I just bought a KUIU Yukon rain parka in VALO, which was the "best" of the 3 KUIU patterns but not that good overall. Maybe using an IR spray would help a bit. I hunt in Nevada with its of rocks and desert terrain so VALO works OK. My GTX rain pants are ADVANTAGE Timber with a nice large breakup pattern in browns.

@nt3523

11 ай бұрын

Kuiu and Sitka have the worst patterns out there.

I wear black bib overalls and mossy oak jacket works pretty well for me

@CamoMatrix

Жыл бұрын

That is probably all you need.

Bro no woodland marpat but you have m81 woodland and multicam what are you doing try woodland marpat it'll surprise you

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

I will get it in the mix

Realtree Timber is by far the best for blending into the trees and forest.

@CamoMatrix

Жыл бұрын

Care to see it compared to anything in the new deer vision Camo Showdowns?

It sounded like the crows spotted every hunter. Thank you for the informative video

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Ha. I have been made aware if the crows a few times. I recorded it while in a treestand and that’s just how it happened I watched a group earlier this season just caw and caw and had no idea why. They seemed to be squawking at each other. Thanks for watching. My newer videos have less crows.

In Northeast North Carolina because of the swamps I usually hunt I go with Mossy Oak clothing.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

I need a good swamp photo for the camo showdown

That was great, but you should also do a comparison when there is no leaves on the trees, much different

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

I will have that in the new set i am working on.

No matter the color, the camo patern or else, over 40 years hunting, it’s the motion, sound and odor that gets the deer aware. And they mostly are aware of danger.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

yes, smell, movement and sound before camo any day.

I can tell you without watching the video that Mossy Oak Shadow Grass is the best all around camo pattern that there has ever been. I've had Yotes within 10 feet and I had a hen Turkey step on my boot one year.

Lots of factors affect a deer's ability to spot a human dressed in anything. One of the most significant is motion. Very hard to conceal any type of motion from a deer. If you move, basically a deer is going to spot you regardless of what you are wearing. Second is background. If the clothing blends in well with the background, it will be much harder to spot regardless of pattern or color. But if the best patterns and colors in camo are backlighted against a bright sky or clash with their background, a deer will see it as being abnormal and likely spot the hunter. Third is shape. If a hunter is standing in full view as with the camo suits, it is going to be much easier for the deer to spot. But if the hunter is partially obscured by a rock, tree or log, a mound of dirt, or nearly anything so that his entire shape cannot be seen, the deer will have a much harder time picking out a partial human shape from the surrounding landscape. Next is distance. At a closer range, camo patterns make a difference. But at a distance, the shapes and colors tend to blend into more of an indistinct blob of color. The deer just cannot see details at a distance as well as humans can. Thus any suit you showed will work just about as well as the next one if the hunter is 75 yards from the deer. Since there is often no way to predict what directly a deer may approach a hunter or from what distance, there is not much way to insure that each deer encountered will be fooled with a particular camo pattern. A hunter may be well hidden behind a rock from the front but if a deer approaches from the rear, the camo pattern may be directly outlined against that same rock and easily seen. Camo, like most any hunting accessory, may help sometimes in some situations but it isn't worth obsessing over. For my money, I'd rather be elevated 15 feet above the ground in a box blind than to have every single camo suit you demonstrated.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Very true, check out my most recent video where I discuss the same things you say here. kzread.info/dash/bejne/gayDmbJ_n7zTc6g.html

Vintage army and Browing Wasatch are by far the best.

Looks to me that both of the classics were the winners, the outline disappearance is what i generally look for in camo patterns, Mossy Oak and the Military camo at the end🤷‍♂️

This comparison was a GREAT idea; thank you. Is there any chance you would be willing to repeat it for "blaze camo," a category that wasn't included? I'm a longtime user of blaze camo clothing (including hats!) during firearms season because I'm convinced that it breaks up my outline just like green/brown conventional camo. Hence, I think it's much less visible to deer than the solid block of light gray they see when they look at a hunter in a plain, blaze-orange vest like the one in your excellent video. My own photo tests are FAR less sophisticated and complex than your own, but of the few blaze-camo patterns I've tested, the one called "Blaze Horizon" was the most effective in breaking up my outline. Why the demand for this and comparable patterns isn't higher-especially among those who still-hunt and/or sit on the ground when they're deer hunting-can only mean that they've never seen a demonstration of its effectiveness. I hope you'll provide them with one!

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

First off, thanks so much for the comment. I am continuing to improve the videos as i go. I do have a newer video with 90+ patterns that has a full blaze orange with some black pattern on it. kzread.info/dash/bejne/m6qDt6aYiLbcpLA.html Check it out. The blaze is at the end. Going forward I will probably add a solid blaze plus a more figured blaze to the mix.

I really liked the tests, but would love to see SKRE Summit thrown in the mix. It seems to work for everything here in the midwest.

@CamoMatrix

9 ай бұрын

This video was done quite a while ago. I have put skre summit in a bunch of my videos since. Here is a link to my videos that have skre in them or they were tagged: www.youtube.com/@CamoMatrix/search?query=skre More to come

Can you do German Flecktarn Camo?

Loved the first kryptec pattern

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Kryptec has more patterns I have 4 from them in this one: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Zm2Cq9OFqKrOhso.html and the deer vision version: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eoyg26irorypeKg.html

My favorite for treestand hunting is Scent-Lok's Vertigo Tan. Unfortunately they don't make it any more!

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

I liked the large varying color pattern it had. Great for the tree.

Mossy oak and real tree are the best. Mossy oak for me though.

My friend hid from us in a white tee shirt while playing paintball in the woods, that was the day I realized you just need to hold still camo doesnt play as big a part as you think.

@CamoMatrix

Жыл бұрын

It is true, good wind, being quiet and no movement are your best camo.

Out of curiosity a few months ago I got a uv flashlight and shined it on the different varieties of camo I own. My theory being that what the flashlight causes to glow for my eyes, natural uv will cause to glow for a deers eyes. I ended up with a few articles that I no longer completely trust and a few that I trust implicitly.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

That was a good test. Many clothes washing detergents have UV brighteners in them. I wonder if the light would expose that too?

@miked8227

2 жыл бұрын

I’m very disappointed in mossy oak clothing now. The trail cam exposed their uv issues when I walked by it one evening. Looked like I had a shiny white suit on!

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

@@miked8227 I know what you are talking about. I have wondered what deer actually see with those "wicking" type thin shirts or non-cotton jackets that glow on a trail cam. I will say that you are seeing the infrared light reflect off of it so I don't know if what we see on the trail cam is a true representation of what they see, since there has to be the reflected infrared light for it to appear that way.

@nooneyouknowhere6148

2 жыл бұрын

@@CamoMatrix since deer can see better in dark than us, do they pick up infrared or heat or something?

Really interesting test. I was very impressed with the First Lite Specter and Kryptek Highlander. The only negative thing I'll say is that the Badlands patterns aren't correct. I own Badlands camo in both the Approach and Approach FX pattern. Looking closely at the "Approach" in the video, the jacket appears to be in Approach but the pants are definitely Approach FX. Whereas the "Approach FX" in the video actually shows both the jacket and pants in Approach. Don't take my word for it though, compare it with the images on their website!

@RidgeRunner_Outdoors

3 жыл бұрын

I'd also love to see you add additional Veil patterns to this test, such as Caza (Pnuma) or Cumbre (Prois).

@CamoMatrix

3 жыл бұрын

I have those extra patterns in the mix. I have been informed about the badlands patterns and they will be corrected in upcoming videos. Unfortunately KZread doesn’t allow us to “update” videos

@MicahBS

2 жыл бұрын

Nathan, I just bought the Exo Approach jacked and pants and am hunting in Easter Oregon. Is the approach pattern too light for the forrest do you think?

@RidgeRunner_Outdoors

2 жыл бұрын

@@MicahBS I think it will work fine there. The Approach pattern is very adaptable. The only place it seems to suffer is on a bright sunny day against a dark green background, the sun highlights the white it the pattern causing it to "pop". Stay in the shadows and you're good.

You missed one of the the best brands, Tru Timber !! The video was good and very informative.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

If you check out any of my newer videos, i have most of the true timber line. Here is one. kzread.info/dash/bejne/h5p5wbidYqWzZ9I.html

You left out pnuma terra. Thx

@CamoMatrix

3 жыл бұрын

I did include it in this video. I am working on a plus 50 pattern video. kzread.info/dash/bejne/kad7u7yrkc3Teaw.html

I know its not on there but I love predator camo. You need big patterns to break up the human silhouette , not all the fancy small detail patterns that look like a dark blob from a distance .

@CamoMatrix

Жыл бұрын

I have the predator patterns in the arsenal. I can run them in the new deer vision video format. Any favorites of theirs you would like to see?

Sitka elevated II mimics the deer looking up with the sky in the background. Cammie all you want scent control still trumps all other considerations for being in the field.

@CamoMatrix

Жыл бұрын

You are right, without good wind, camo won’t make a difference. I have improve my videos since then, check out my newer videos for a better presentation.

I hunt in big hardwoods I find drab colors are best. For where I hunt,,,dark browns blacks and dark grey. I feel work for me. Doesn't have to be expensive. Being still and quiet is the main thing. They see movement really good scratching you ear or turning your head. Can give your position,away move slowly. When looking about.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, i have been with a hunting partner and gently motioned that we might move “that way” (imagine a pointing finger) and boom, busted…

@duaneholcomb8408

2 жыл бұрын

@@CamoMatrix I hunt on the ground so being still is a must. And being quiet. I usually use what already there like a big rock. Or falling tree. Or just setting down in front of a big tree with a few dead logs in front of me. But I hunt the left ovecr places where nobody wants to hunt and usually its only bow hunting. Legal. I hunt for meat not horns if its legal ill take doe any day,,,

@BestCosmologist

2 жыл бұрын

@@duaneholcomb8408 You're my kind of hunter. Tree stands and blinds aren't hunting. You might as well use corn.

@duaneholcomb8408

2 жыл бұрын

@@BestCosmologist its much more challenging. I've sat in shooting houses before. There's not much too it wait till they come out on a green field and shoot them like cattle. Its good way to put meat in the freezer but it takes no skill to do. ,,

I’ve been in the deer and elk with and without cammo both with good wind and no movement and had animals almost look right through me as if I weren’t there. I wear cammo still because it looks cool and other humans can’t see me as good.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

I am all about the camo looking cool. It puts you in the mood.

@treasurestatetarantulas406

2 жыл бұрын

@@CamoMatrix %100!

3D leafy suits by QUICK CAMO really help conceal you and blend into the environment you're in ... Alot options on camo patterns also...

I use a woodland camo ghillie suit. Deer walk 3 ft from me regularly.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

That is some close up hunting. I like the idea of the ghillie but I feel like when I really need it (still hunting) it will catch on everything. How does yours do moving through the woods?

@ghostape6481

2 жыл бұрын

Moving through the woods wearing a ghillie suit is impossible. You will have every stick, twig, and leaf stuck to you. I’ve tried. I use mine for stand hunting. It is great for being able to move to where the deer are. Just grab a stool and sit quietly. That is what I do. I shot 3 nice bucks on state land recently. High pressure areas, but you don’t need a good tree to hunt from so you can hunt for anywhere.

Mossy oak looked best for that Background. I think Sitkas was the best at breaking up the outline.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Check out my newer videos. More patterns and hopefully my delivery has improved.

Camo is very important, but it's movement that tells the tale. Also, camo is quite essential, when bow hunting. But with black powder and modern gun seasons requiring blaze orange to be worn at all times in many states, no camo in the world can hide that. Yes, I know that deer do not see orange the way we do, but it is still visible as a solid gray. Thus, the camo itself needs to be broken up as well.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

I recommend a blaze with black camo patterns for rifle

I'd have slung an arrow at one of those crows before a deer had a chance to not see me in my camo

@CamoMatrix

Жыл бұрын

I have heard that before

this simulation was on ground. most whitetail hunters climbed a tree or something that has skylights, clouds will determine how much a deer can see what ur wearing.

@CamoMatrix

3 жыл бұрын

I’m working on more versions. Hopefully I will eventually achieve one or two that encompasses most scenarios

Camouflage is my favorite color.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

I am with ya!

Can you also do a Turkey Vision test?

@CamoMatrix

3 жыл бұрын

From what I know about turkey is that they see color during the day (estimated at 3 times better than ours) but their vision is monocular since their eyes are on the sides of their heads. This means that once they spot movement within their 270 degree range, they can focus in on it. I will see what I can do.

@CamoMatrix

3 жыл бұрын

Did a spring green up turkey video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dHl_0LCShMa0oM4.html

@BestCosmologist

2 жыл бұрын

Turkeys have God vision.

A well patterned Ghillie would be interesting to see.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

I has done some 3D leafy suit camo showdowns. A ghillie suit will be a future feature.

@EPGunman

2 жыл бұрын

@@CamoMatrix awesome. The leafy stuff is ok for bow hunting early season in my opinion. With Ghillie suits though store bought ones are normally too.......tree wookie looking. Sometimes less is more. I will say I love my Kryptec highlander works well for me.

It would be interesting to see how a ghillie suit looks.

You should do a vunigear vs wtf camo They seem to be the most innovative patterns for those of us who hang off of trees.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Vunigear is in this one. kzread.info/dash/bejne/m6qDt6aYiLbcpLA.html i will have add WTF camo. I will compare them. Should be interesting

Very interesting. You need to put 3 images in, 1 near like you did and a second back around 15-20 yds and a 3rd around 50 yds. I'm not to worried about a deer seeing me a 5yds... it's to late for both of us by then. I'm very interested in the 20-50 yds range.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

I have done something like that in these videos: 90 Patterns kzread.info/dash/bejne/h5p5wbidYqWzZ9I.html 88 Patterns kzread.info/dash/bejne/g6F5p9uen63JYpM.html 42 Patterns kzread.info/dash/bejne/kad7u7yrkc3Teaw.html

I did not see Predator??? Love ASAT.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

I did a new one with predator patterns and many more. ASAT is an awesome pattern and brand. Vunigear tries to use the same concept. New video is here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/h5p5wbidYqWzZ9I.html

How Mossy Oak doesn't have a military contract is beyond me!!

I promise no matter what, we have if you are moving the deer is going to see you

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

absolutely, and even before you move. if they smell you, the gig is up

@customresultsdetailing3335

2 жыл бұрын

@@CamoMatrix Most important piece of advice on hunting Watch your wind

Mossy Oak for the win

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

I get that a lot!

I once bought a camo jacket at a second hand store my intentions turKey hunting un fortunately the maker which I'll refrain from mentioning emblazoned thier emblem in red white and blue on the upper left chest area almost exactly the size and shape of a turkey head I declined on taking a shot to the chest !

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

The unfortunate thing is that when hunting we have to take into consideration those those people that take shots before fully identifying the animal they are shooting at. Although it is a small number of incidents, many hunter shooting fatalities is a hunter mistaking another hunter as game. side not: I do think that self-inflicted accidental gunshots beat out hunter to hunter. I did a piece published by the BHA when NC was having a fight about allowing Sunday Hunting on public land and one of the arguments was that bird watchers and hikers didn't want to get shot. My argument found zero examples of this occurrence (hunter - non-hunter) in the past decade. But still, better safe than sorry on the turkey head camo.

@danielcline7413

2 жыл бұрын

@@CamoMatrix great insight I myself could never make that kind of mistake the real bad part was ii wanted to sit up against a tree to call and that put the logo right at turkey height and it unnerved me considerably!

Guys i didnt see how the camo looked in deer vision. I gettit im color blind. That armor camo and specter lite is close

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Well designed hunting camo shouldn't have much of a difference between human and deer vision.

I love my natural gear camo

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Original or SC2 Green?

Interesting, would have been better without the soundtrack of crows honking non-stop. Movement and scent are also big factors, but concealment is important.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

I have re-recorded the background for newer videos.

If you wash these in TIDE and some other brands , you're screwed. It makes the ultraviolet lengths really shine to a deer. May as well wear neon lights..

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

I may try to do an experiment with some old camo before and after a brightener detergent wash with an ultraviolet light

@randybaumery5090

2 жыл бұрын

@@CamoMatrix some folks say you can reverse the effects but I know bowhunters will almost divorce a wife if she washed his camouflage clothing in Tide or generic. They clear water wash and sun and air dry ONLY. Hahahaha

@randybaumery5090

2 жыл бұрын

@@CamoMatrix blue jeans stick out but tan pants do not really. I'll NEVER hunt anything in blue jeans unless I spend the money to get those jeans dyed in some for of earth tone. I kid you not, I've spotted hunters who were in upper camouflage and orange and in blue jeans because in my peripheral vision, it looked like two blue neon sticks walking.

All in between 5:03 and 5:50 except for the multi cam.

Too many other factors to consider with regards to shadows and variations in foliage. Anecdotal here, watched my grandfather appear and disappear moving through dappled sunlight/shade (slowly) wearing faded Walls coveralls.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, there are many other factors and issues I cannot replicate with a simulated version. I am trying to improve as I make new ones. And yeah, solid colors seem to perform pretty good, just like deer, bear, etc. I watched a deer last week almost disappear 25 yards from me last week.

Great test! What did we learn? Sitka and other “high end” camo is just overpriced crap that’s meant to sell to the hunter and not to to keep the game from seeing the hunter. Over-branding and deep pockets will always produce the “best camo” when in actuality it’s the most simple that is the most effective.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

I added more camo to my latest version kzread.info/dash/bejne/h5p5wbidYqWzZ9I.html many more of the lower priced and higher priced gear.

@Hardwoods2020

2 жыл бұрын

The performance of Sitka is what separates it from others, not so much the pattern . I've tried many others, nothing comes close to Sitka when the weather gets snotty.

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hardwoods2020 I own it for the engineering. Sub Alpine and Open Country. Waterproof knee pads and butt is the bomb!

@0devast8r0

2 жыл бұрын

Sitka gear prolly is good for suckers to get into it and it good for stalking animals.

@Hardwoods2020

2 жыл бұрын

@@0devast8r0 To insult me I first have to value your opinion. You probably haven't tried Sitka to have an honest opinion or your just too frugal.

The Browning Hell's Canyon

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

It does great with that deer vision.

Mossy Oak

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

My newer videos have many more patterns from Mossy Oak if you are interested. kzread.info/dash/bejne/m6qDt6aYiLbcpLA.html

Test skre solace!

@CamoMatrix

3 жыл бұрын

I have skre ready to go in the next one, Solace and Summit

Some of those patterns contain blue. Blue is like a bonfire. Deer see it very well

@CamoMatrix

2 жыл бұрын

yes, those may be better suited to be in a tree with so the sky is part of the backgound.