Im currently sat on my Amiga 1200 with 68060 & fpu and 32mb ram, yes i even watched this youtube video on it! I've always owned a miggy. Had friends with Atari too. They envied me, I envied them; but I've never got what all this Amiga vs Atari fighting is all about. Both were superb machines (even the apple 68k wasnt too bad either). Each had their strengths and weakness. but we should all unite for our common thing, the power & awesomeness of the 68k and custom hardware :) - Long live the 68K!

The Falcon doesn't have any (useable) graphics co-processors. But they are not used on the Amiga for this demo anyway. This Silkcut video is running on a Falcon with a 68060 processor at 66MHz, everything is software rendered. The Falcon versions runs a bit faster thanks to faster memory and DSP to decode the music.

This demo doesn't use any of the co-processors in the Amiga apart from the soundchip. With a 68060 and chunky graphics, coding for the 2 machines is very similar. In this particular demo the Falcon benefits a bit as the audio can be decoded with the DSP rather than the CPU. It's no bullshit, I recorded this from my Falcon and it was ported to the Falcon by Mikro/MSB under supervision by Kalms/TBL, Kalms himself have a Falcon 060 too, I sold one to him :)

I was working on a thing called the Amiga 3000+ with an AT&T DSP3210 coprocessor, 16-bit CD-quality, the Pandora (aka AA, aka AGA) chipset, and a few other things things. I had got the AA chips up and running in a system in February of '91, and by spring we had a second rev of the Alice chip, and full video, OS running, all that stuff... no software support for the new stuff, yet, but I had written some demos that used 8-bit color. Dave Haynie C= Mech Too bad it was sabotaged by Mehdi Ali...

A killer Atari Falcon demo. Love it.

Really beautiful demo. Falcon and Amiga are really powerful.

Unglaublich geile Grafik und schnelligkeit....und der Sound auch vom feinsten.....TOP!!!

I always wanted a Falcon 030. (They are expensive as hell). But the Amiga demos will always be the benchmark. Like it or not. :P

You should have read the description :) Yes it runs quicker - you should see it on a real Falcon without framerate conversions between movie files - it's really really smooth then!

AMIGA was one of the only computer in the market that allowed you to do what you really had in mind, AMIGA was a computer out of this world!! thanks AMIGA!!!!

I didn't know that the Falcon had that much power and thought that it also did not have much, if any graphical co-processors like the Amiga. Okay, I did think the same when I saw Silkcut and more so Starstruck for the Amiga AGA. :) Nice Job.

1. Amiga: ADPCM (I guess about 10% of the 060). Falcon: MPEG Audio (decoded in DSP, 0% of the 060) 2. Falcon have 16bit bus, but the actual chipram speed is about the same (different clockfreq and dma loads). Falcon have much quicker fastram (SDRAM) than Amiga (EDO). 3. For effects updating the entire screen 8bit is faster, and this demo uses bitplanes with c2p. The same c2p routine from Kalms (a bit adapted to the Falcon interleaved bitplanes).

@as...4307

5 жыл бұрын

Falcon Ruls!

It's a great demo, however requiring a 68060 takes it far beyond that of a normal Atari Falcon.

@thepeller210

9 жыл бұрын

Same as all 'modern' demos. Compress, compile and code on a PC. The real art of extracting the best from a machine has well and truly gone. :(

@jrherita

6 жыл бұрын

The falcon DSP and videl get a good workout here too.. Its not all CPU :)

That what it took for a man nicknamed "xamigax" to consider an Atari computer : The Black Lotus taking on a Falcon ;-)

thankyou tbl and mikro

great demo, but saying that it gets a higher framrate, you should keep in mind that the falcon was 3 times the price of an amiga 1200 ;)

@mmille10 Yes the CT60 or CT63 boards.

Falcons are good when you are so lucky that your dad won one in an atari magazine competition years ago and now I have it!!

Great demo. Where can I get the 060 upgrade for my Falcon?

geil!! @kalms: the amiga freaks miss you in the demoscene.....

fantastyczna nuta.

mikRO/mSb is that wonderboy!

Well this demo does need a Falcon 060, the recording is made with a 66 MHz 060-chip.

Interesting. I knew that with the DSP (I knew a few folks back then who where fanatic Atari fans... they really existed hehe). So the Falcon was actually more powerful than the new Amiga 1200 and 600?! Damn, those Atari guys did not lie ;)

@MadCommodore You could have a software modem on the falcon with the DSP

The Falcon MAULS Amiga in terms of Ability

From what year is this demo? Looks amazing!

Even C64, Atari 800 XL and Sinclair ZX Spectrum are not dead, let alone Amiga!

Thanks for clearing that up. I know what you mean now. It uses Chunky graphics instead of bit planes etc. I'd love to have a falcon as well :) *hugs 1040st*

falcon vs jaguar? who had more power?

@evldhs: When you say Falcon 060 do you mean a Falcon 030 with an 060 accelerator card?

This sure looks like a .farb-rausch demo. Never really knew a Falcon (or Amiga) was capable of such.

Hmm, strange, then why it does it still boot when I power it on?

Sweet :) Is it me or it seems to run a bit smoother then on a1200 ? :)

This demo on Falcon (passsiiivve) cooling is strong on CRt, i used only 95mhz rev.6 (on ct60e), but very loud ct63 mhz= 107mhz..... I like silencessssssssssss..

Funny thing about this, it runs faster than an orininal amiga :D mIkro=god Portin already mad fast texture routine by Mikke Kalms, our Atari coder ported it even further :)

DSP for playing music at a higher framerate? Most Amiga replay routines ran in less than 1 raster?

Wow! Just think: This is a 16 MHz 68030-Computer. Outstanding! I remember the years with my 1040 ST and my Falcon030... I should reactivate them!.-)

@stanb1455

Жыл бұрын

The Falcon is using a 68060 clocked @ 66MHz, essentially turning it into a "Falcon060" . The computer can still do impressive things with it's stock CPU.

What I don't get is that the Atari Falcon was a 32bit computer and games didn't look this good on it's 64 bit Jaguar?

MiKRO of Mystic Bytes

Have anyone read what appears inscribed at 4:25.

@NozomuYume

5 жыл бұрын

Necrocommenting here 6 years after the fact, but it's from an online movie review "for parents" of "Requiem for a Dream": www.screenit.com/movies/2000/requiem_for_a_dream.html

@paul1981gb But did not come with as STANDARD, that is obviously his point.

@tosgem a600? lol

Only Amiga

@hankillo1 It is. And I know what you are trying to imply but your grasping at straws. It's not Falcons fault that Czuba-Tech decided to bolt on an 060 to their FASTRAM card :) Tell me this - How much faster would a FASTRAM board be plugged directly into the A1200's expansion port if it used SDR instead of EDO? :)

And the A1200's inferior audio architechture? There are pros and cons for both of these machines in favour of the Falcon IMHO. You just do not notice the smaller palette size in real world situations, but then again A1200 can't do full screen moving images in more than 256 colours right? Where as the Falcon can do this in 16bit colour 65k+...

@AEWHistory I saw review scores of the Jaguar by EGM once ... they HATED the Jaguar with a ingnorant biased passion. Just one example they gave NBA Jam on the 32x a 8.5 out of 10 and the game got a 4.5 on the Jaguar! When every other single review source said the Jag version was the better of the two. Not suprising that they fired several editors for taking bribes to fix reviews a few years later. Not suprising they went bankrupt a few years ago lol.

@AEWHistory And it was lame designers who made it impossible to program ;o) Makes Sega Saturn coding look like childs play indeed

I think ps1 could handle the grafix

Not true. STE doesn't have any hardware sprites neither does the Falcon.

Your statement does not make a lot of sense. From what I read it basically says you want to compare the A1200 and Falcon030 as if you could take the Falcon's audio capabilities out of the equation. Personally I think the massive gulf in audio capabilities is the defining factor between these two machines. It's the one thing that really tips the scales in favour of the Falcon.

This is not Falcon, but Falcon 060!!! Would everybody please state this clearly?!?!?!

No, Falcon was not more powerful than A1200 or A600 - this demo is with a 68060 accelerator, that is why.

someone correct me if im wrong but the falcon never had the same co-processor chipset that the amiga did. Even an atari falcon equipped with a 68060 couldn't do this. to me it appears like the same demo i play on my '060 equipped Amiga daily. i dont know why tbl would port it to an atari falcon. sounds like bs. F00Kn AWESOME DEMO TOO THE GRAVE tho.

@potsy5656 The Jag is running on a lame bus with a standard 68000 CPU and no DSP. Jag is a P.o.S. Atari should have stuck with home computers and sorted a CD-ROM and modem for the Falcon.

it's not impressive unless it is running on ST!

ST sucks Amiga rulez :)