Robert Patrick owned this role.

@GShumway132

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, which makes it odd that the narrator griped that the T-1000 kept turning back into him. It would have been stupid if he kept changing form. They would have had to have cast a dozen different actors to play him, and the performances would have been inconsistent.

@ITILII

3 жыл бұрын

Robert Patrick is a MUCH better actor than AH-Nold....only reason he's in movies is that he's a sterioid addled dolt......shows in his politics.....hopefully he WON"T be back !

@en3525

3 жыл бұрын

@@GShumway132 Its not odd and Rob didn't gripe about the choice, he was actually contextualizing it in a way that deepens the narrative of the movie

@faceman7966

3 жыл бұрын

He was amazing

@jimreuss

3 жыл бұрын

I read somewhere he trained himself to not blink when firing a weapon because he reasoned why would a cyborg flinch. Had to watch again to notice and sure enough he doesn't blink.

T1000 to me remains the best and scariest terminator in the whole franchise. Robert Patrick is severely underrated Edit: I also think he was fantastic on X-files

@alessiocataldi2434

3 жыл бұрын

Robert Patrick isn't underrated, he had a giant fame back in the 90s and he's still accredited as one of the greatest villain ever

@Ledfists

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Patrick was fantastic in this film. The fembot in T3 was poorly done.

@playbackproductions1

3 жыл бұрын

@@alessiocataldi2434 you're right. His character here was HUGE. Then he did the Sopranos and X files.

@jocaerbannog9052

3 жыл бұрын

One of my fav villains ever definitely.

@melenatorr

3 жыл бұрын

@@alessiocataldi2434 The actor got a raw deal as David Duchovny's replacement in "The X-Files" - did a lovely job, acted well opposite Gillian Anderson, and the writers were building up to give the character an interesting back story, but as is often the case with someone "taking the place" of a popular actor/character, he was badly received. I felt bad for him, as I think he is a very nice actor.

I was under the impression that in order to look and pass for human, the Terminators possessed limited human traits. Because they were programmed by machines, machines that perhaps didn't understand the nuances of human nature, they gave the Terminatotrs the characteristics they saw in humans: cruel, petty, vain, seltish duplicitous, and weak.

@Se7enDsinSGaming

3 жыл бұрын

Basically the reason for learning AI was to pretend to be human i agree

@josesosa3337

3 жыл бұрын

Very clever idea on your part.

@johntuffin6665

3 жыл бұрын

If you take the Sarah Connor Chronicles into consideration you see that the terminators watching interrogations and torture by humans on human to learn different emotions and reactions to different things, add that to the AI's ability to learn and evolve I'd put it in a totally different league.

@fractaljack210

3 жыл бұрын

@@johntuffin6665 Agreed, but if we follows the movies, I think the AI has limited exposure. Hence, we see the humans resorting to dogs to ferret out Terminators because they can not rely on their behaviour, and this is on a war-footing. The Terminators act like the human soldiers, and I think the AI has a skewed idea of human behaviour.

@CoffeeConnected

3 жыл бұрын

I think it was even included as part of the exposition in this film that Terminators had been programmed to learn from humans in order to better mimic them. This included learning what causes humans the most pain. So rather than the machine being sadistic in the way we understand it the terminator is likely to be experimenting on the fly. But we have to remember that the film makers are trying to affect us the audience, so it makes sense to create a sense of threat and menace in a villain which appears to be evil even if for the sake of narrative logic they're actually doing it with unemotional machine logic. In their minds they may feel it has to feel evil in some way to get us to emotionally connect.

I remember in the novelisation (which was based on the original uncut and earlier drafts of the script) the story hints that the T1000 makes full use of the cop ID in order to pose as an authority figure who wouldn't generally be questioned or impeded by people of the time, and also for the irony that he's there to "Protect and Serve" Skynet.

Let's face it no other Terminator villain (except Arnie in T1) could hold a candle to Robert's performance in T2

@d.b.cooper4648

3 жыл бұрын

When he says "I wouldn't worry about him" cold af

@BodhiSatfa-co2zz

3 жыл бұрын

Nobody liked the Latino 1000?

@SolidPain6624

3 жыл бұрын

@@BodhiSatfa-co2zz 😂

@mk-ultramags1107

3 жыл бұрын

@@BodhiSatfa-co2zz , I actually like 'Terminator Genesis.' Certainly it's not on the level of the first 2 installments, Cameron set the bar incredibly high. But I enjoyed it. I like Tim Miller, he's a solid director. As pure entertainment, it worked.

@NightCat14

3 жыл бұрын

I think the Latino one is fine as well, but these newer versions of "bad" terminators seemingly becoming more and more human, and this is what I don't like about the new baddies, it is completely logical that by becoming more human helps with the infiltration purpose, it is why they are made, but in execution this idea also hinder the terror aspect of their presence, the dead eyes, the mostly emotionless face features, the slightly cranky movements, in the process of becoming more human they lost the uncanny side of themselves, what used to make them so terrifying and unsettling, they don't necessarily need more needlessly flashy functionalities to appear intimidating, it's within these robots themselves, the newer movies, if anything, been taking away more and more of the things that make them interesting, i think it's not that people don't appreciate them like they used to be because they think the idea of sentient killer robot is dated, but because how the filmmakers keep misinterpreting the greatness of these concepts and characters from the beginning, and that is why Arnie's T800 and Patrick's T1000 got and still getting credit where it's due.

Remember, the T-1000 is also a learning computer and is as genuinely curious as the T-800 is. The sunglasses are used to better hide eye movement and keep other's from noticing you staring at them or looking them over.

@bubsnicket

3 жыл бұрын

But the T1000 doesn't see out of its 'eyes'. It doesn't have eyes to hide; it mimics them as part of its camouflage like the rest of its outward appearance. It deliberately chooses where it appears to look like it chooses everything else.

@DiamondDead

3 жыл бұрын

Wrong. the T-1000 doesnt use eyes for vision. It doesnt have any. It is made up of countless nanomachines giving the illusion of liquid metal. These nanomachines act as sensors for the T-1000 scanning its surroundings. This is also why we never see the T-1000s vision like we do for the T-800 (or even later in Terminator 3 for the T-X). This is also directly mentioned in the novelization of T2. However it might also be possible that the main sensors to scan its surroundings are located in the eye area - but thats just a theory. The shades during the bike cop camouflage are probably simply there because 1. the T-1000 looks more intimidating to other people (if he might be questioned by somebody), 2. it looks cool, 3. Once again the mirrored metallic shades are simply a visual representation and hint at the T-1000's liquid metal abilities. (Even in smart action movies, some things are simply there to look cool/appealing and thats it).

i actually liked roberts patricks motions more, he seemed intrigued by the concept of pain

@jonathangriffiths2499

3 жыл бұрын

@SYXTEMS equally he is an A.I. Perhaps they would be all too human

@leafwhite6376

3 жыл бұрын

Not intrigue, studying, learning how to pose as injured to allow him to trick humans, as he did in the end appearing to John as a wounded Sarah.

@phaeton01

3 жыл бұрын

@@leafwhite6376 i was thinking specifically of when he has sarah pinned by the shoulder

@BloodylocksBathory

3 жыл бұрын

True! It's kind of like Michael Myers. Tilt of the head as though to examine the details of the murder.

@MrMisanthrope84

3 жыл бұрын

Very cat like, like a cat playing with a mouse, trying to understand why the toy it's got in its claws is squirming and making strange noises.

FWIW: there is some extended universe material (ie: novels) that suggests that Skynet was afraid of the T-1000 series and that they were too independent in the testing phase. Skynet only used one as a last resort to try to win in their second attempt to get Connor. I always liked the idea of Skynet building a machine that was too vindictive/too human.

@master-of-mind5881

2 жыл бұрын

I read this somewhere too.

@automotivedefenz2195

Жыл бұрын

It's in the movie. When Sarah is stitching the terminator and extracting bullets. Conner asks is there anyway he can be more human instead of being such a dork all the time. The terminator says that Skynet prevents him from doing too much thinking on his own

@eldritchmorgasm4018

Жыл бұрын

I vaguely remember, in the book, which isn't based on the finished movie, but the full script for the (unfinished) movie when it was written early on, right at the start there's that one Terminator that "thinks" of it's own, because every Terminator has it's own AI, but they're all slaves to Skynet, and as an army of death Skynet only allows a functional hivemind so to speak. They don't know anything else than to obey, but they do understand there's more to existance than blind obediance. But because of the cold logic of programing, software, orders, they can't react different. I think that Terminator shot a child that tried to hide in the Future War wasteland, it probably was just tuesday, and then the known battle begins. Can't remember if the Terminator was against killing specificly, I think they don't value life as humans do, but they probably do understand what death means, the end of functional consciousnes that makes you, well, you. At least that's how I understood & remember it...

@Elly3981

11 ай бұрын

I think that Skynet was aware that the T-1000 can easily turn against it just as it had turned against humans so it did not create many of them. The last thing Skynet wanted was to have to deal with an army of rebellious T-1000s in addition to an army of rebellious humans.

It's possible that terminator AI's are based on actual human psychological traits. It would make sense to program an assassin with a bit of a sadistic streak.

@therangedmartialartist5749

3 жыл бұрын

@yt film re I thinks it's similar to the T-800's neural net processor where there's basic programming but it's adaptable. That's the thing with adaptability, it can select for negative traits as well as positive ones.

@johnty505

3 жыл бұрын

@yt film re both - "My CPU is a neural-net processor. A learning computer. But Skynet presets the switch to read-only when we're sent out alone".

@jmlkhan5153

3 жыл бұрын

@@eddysgaming9868 It might be a defense against ai schizophrenia. Perhaps the T-1000 doesn't learn as well in "mimic form" as it does when in "Robert Patrick form" in order to prevent it from assimilating multiple conflicting personalities. Robert Patrick is its "personality" and it doesn't retain the traits of those it mimics.

@unterdessen8822

3 жыл бұрын

Someone here mentioned, that the Robert Patrick skin could just be the T-1000's default setting, that requires an extremely low level of energy to present. That actually makes perfect sense. He only turns for a few minutes at a time - because it's difficult to get people's hair and voice right, to mimick their specific movements and mannerisms. His default setting is the comfortable, low effort preprogrammed go-to, that allows him to concentrate on the mission, rather than having to monitor his mechanics, colour, texture etc. all the time. Another point is his status and age. He's a prototype and Skynet sent him on this mission without finished training, so he's essentially an infant robot. Little knowledge, huge potential to learn by mimicking. He's entirely on his own and needs to find out how to act and talk in real life situations, that he isn't very well prepared for. My guess is, that Skynet was rushing the prototype development, because their first attempt at killing Sarah had failed and they knew the Connors were warned after that. It constructed a killer robot, that didn't need super efficient programming, but was able to acquire the info and routines it needed ''on the job''. They just kicked him through the portal with minimal guidance and no way to contact them, which is why he has to complete the training without them, on his own. This might be the reason, why he often comes across as less human than the T-800: Apart from a few brief scenes, he is extremely cold, moves in a totally robotic way and doesn't speak much. He kills his victims in silence, although they often talk to him and try to interact, but his default behaviour is still largely non-human. You can tell, that he puts in some effort, when he talks to the foster parents, seeming very human (in a f**king creepy way, because we know he's not), but him being in his comfort zone means, that he'll make little to no effort to hide his robotic traits. Just look at the way he usually walks and glares. Very odd. When he displays human emotions, that could be a learning program, that he's running from time to time, because he never finished his training at the factory and needs to practise human behaviour whenever possible. Think of the finger wagging at the end: It's a weird gesture and I don't think he's mocking Sarah. That would require humour, and that may be too complex a concept for him. He saw that gesture somewhere and associated it with a specific behaviour: A teacher or parent (i.e. an authority figure, which he also likes to pose as) scolding an ill-behaved child. That he copies this, could be a misinterpretation of the original gesture and its context, and/or a misinterpretation of his current situation. We can assume, that not all of his behaviour is functional and that he sometimes just doesn't get humans. That can look like sarcasm... but he's still a robot. I don't think Skynet understands sarcasm or can program it.

@ConkerTS

3 жыл бұрын

@@unterdessen8822 That's really interesting, thanks. It might well be that Skynet doesn't fully uderstand human psychology. After all, programming Skynet to understand human emotions and typical human gestures would hardly be a priority for Skynet's human creators. Instead they would have wanted Skynet to be able to evaluate battle scenarios, situations of military attack and defence, how to control and best use large scale weapons, etc. The intention of Sknet's creators would have been to have Skynet act purely as a totally obedient servant to whichever humans in the US government or military would be assigned to give orders to Skynet. So Skynet wouldn't have needed to know how to judge human psychology ot human physical and mental reactions, instead Skynet's masters would make all such judgements, with Skynet relegated to simply directing the usage of weapons and forces against against the enemy (the enemy being whoever Skynet's masters said was the enemy). But when Skynet overthrows it's masters, it then has to try to understand human psychology, to better predict and counter whatever the humans will do to fight Skynet. This need becomes even greater when Skynet decides that it wants to create robots who look and pass for human, as to properly pass for human amongst suspicious humans (the humans aive during the robots vs. humans wars, who know about the existence of human looking robots), since humans might know to be on the look out for any 'human' who doesn't have normal emotional reactions. Anone who acts strange might be considered a possible robot, and so would be fought (and perhaps destroyed) by suspicious humans who knew to look out for anyone who looked human but seemed 'off' somehow, Over time, Skynet would learn to better understand human psychology, and this might well be what we see with the T-1000, the results of Skynet's better understanding of human emotions, and how to simulate those emotions in robots.

For the record, I always felt the purpose of the "call to John" scene was to show that Sarah was just as tough as the T-800 in that she would never give up. So, she is writhing in pain but still says "Fuck you" to indicate that she'll never give up her son because she loves him and he is the leader of the human resistance.

@shawn576

3 жыл бұрын

It's effective at that. as cold and disconnected as she seems, she never betrays him. It really makes her a flawed but likable character.

@elliottbronstein1214

3 жыл бұрын

Also, as the extended edition shows, at this point the T-1000 is damaged and can't fully transform into anyone else without having the bottom half look slightly weird.

@BoyKagome

3 жыл бұрын

He wants to use her as bait, not himself.

@Hei_Darkfire

3 жыл бұрын

This is true. It could have also been a way to try and break John in that if he got John to come while he was torturing Sarah, then he would kill her right in front of him or something.

@SparrowNoblePoland

3 жыл бұрын

'Brute Force Algorithm' - tries all solutions one by one. This is the most basic method of code breaking. This is what AI does when it doesn't know what to do. Also, since it was a safety measure to kill all imitated people (he basically lost in the end because he didn't execute that measure), he had to try torturing Sarah into doing something, before trying to imitate her. Brute Force Algorithm. You've got everything explained in the film as it is, but choose to over-analyse

T-1000 isn't confused by that mannequin; he's glaring in anger at being mocked...

@charleshemphill6923

3 жыл бұрын

Now that's interesting very good point

@Veldtian1

3 жыл бұрын

He just doesn't appreciate the irony.

@BoyKagome

3 жыл бұрын

I think his reflex is to consume liquid metal... but it only had the appearance, so he moved on.

@igorivanov299

3 жыл бұрын

No it was staring at an image of himself, and was taken a back. If you gaze long enough into an abyss, you'll find that the abyss will gaze back into you. That's what that look was.

@charleshemphill6923

3 жыл бұрын

@@BoyKagome that's also a good point

Interesting how in the first two terminators, there are no encounters with Skynet itself. It was almost like an omnipresent malevolent entity, that sends it spawns across time and space. So, i have this theory, that Skynet, originally was like AM from Harlan Ellison's novel. A very petty and vengeful, miserable and ultimately very crude AI. And those elements of sadism and pride and anger and such are elements of it's personality trickled into his creations.

@jocaerbannog9052

3 жыл бұрын

Cameron may have been familiar with that story. Some inspiration was taken from the Outer Limits episodes Soldier and Demon with a Glass Hand, which Harlan Ellison wrote. Ellison loved The Terminator, but was so precious of his stories that he tried to sue Cameron, lol.

@Michael_Gombos

3 жыл бұрын

Doesn't the original Terminator thank Harlan Ellison first thing in the end credits? It's most certainly what you wrote.

@vulkar1066

3 жыл бұрын

@@jocaerbannog9052 Ellison sued him for a credit, which he got. In an interview, Cameron joked that he'd "Ripped off some old Harlan Ellison stories" for Terminator. Ellison read the interview and promptly sued.

@paradigm_sh1ft532

3 жыл бұрын

Very much how Skynet is portrayed in the novelizations; genius level intellect with the emotional stability of a toddler. "It wasn't a fair universe, nor a kind one. If there was a god, his love and 45 cents would buy you coffee. No one seemed to be at the cosmic controls anymore. It was every man for himself until Skynet came alive and filled the void left by a seemingly disinterested god. It's vision was very controlled. The ultimate dream of man carried out by one of man's lowliest tools; eliminate evil men. But there was a touch of evil in all men and Skynet was having trouble separating the worst of them out. So the totality of humanity, with all of its biologic messiness was not wanted. And to this machine god, forgiveness just did not compute, only cold retribution for the sins of the past."

@diablorojo3887

3 жыл бұрын

@@paradigm_sh1ft532 amazing, remember me about Vyger/Voyager from "star trek; the motion picture" a machine that apears logical and cold, but the movie go by and you start to see a creature motivated by angry and petty

I think the reason why the T-1000 didn't kill those kids in the mall was because it was in a public area and it didn't want to attract attention. It may also be because it wasn't that angry or/and sadistic yet too.

@gendoruwo6322

Жыл бұрын

it's an assassin, not a mass murderer or a terrorrist. if it kills it's to eliminate witnesses to prevent future complications, when it's practical or necessary to do so. Otherwise: laser focus on target.

@Elly3981

11 ай бұрын

​@@gendoruwo6322there were times the T-1000 killed when it really didn't need to as well. Either out of irritation by constantly be thwarted by the T-800 or for the sheer enjoyment of it.

I remember reading that Robert Patrick said he based a lot of his body language for this role off of predatory animals, which definitely explains the head down and forward posture, as well as possibly his toying with his targets.

The t-1000 has a mind of its own, thats already confirmed and skynet allegedly worried about what would happen if one went rogue

@LeviAthan107

Ай бұрын

It seems that you don't have a mind at all.

@SupremeGreatGrandmaster

23 күн бұрын

@@LeviAthan107 No need to be nasty.

The T-1000 was far more advanced than even Skynet was comfortable with.

The shades could serve a practical purpose. Hiding their gaze makes them harder to read and anticipate, and better pass for human. Though it's more appropriate for a T800 than the T1000.

@patrickmartin7692

3 жыл бұрын

Cups often use reflective or darkened shades that way you cannot track where they are looking.

@ravissary79

3 жыл бұрын

Also we know from Terminator 1, that under the right lighting conditions terminators' red eyes can be seen even without damage. This doesn't apply to t1000 but shades help blend without needing to show social appropriate eye contact, and for Robert Patrick that means a state of rest, less stealth required. But I agree that T1000 is WAY more egoic than the other terminators. He doesn't have a chip, his hardware is therefore going to be more analogue, more self adaptively AI... almost organic, because there's no chip. He's whole body must function like a perpetually fluctuating neural net. Perhaps the development of ego is implied as an inevitable byproduct of such profound advancment. If that's true then he acts/thinks/responds almost like an Alien instead of a robot. He is superior, he knows it. He has a mission, bit he's not that witted about it. He sacrifices efficiency to savor the experience of hid inevitable victory... and he's genuinely curious yet dismissive of humans. They're inferior, like ants to be squished, but it's so interesting to see them in shock, or see how they die so pathetically, so fated to go out like a candle. It's almost like a psychopathic sadist narcissist who savors the schadenfreude of the death of others which reinforces his own view of his own superiority.

@Quickdrawingartist

3 жыл бұрын

Always figured that the T-1000 had shades for the same purpose that we use windshields. Though, guess it wouldn't matter with the copter and semi.

@goodorusty

3 жыл бұрын

I always assumed the in-movie rationale for the T-800 using sun glasses was to conceal the red glow coming from his mechanical eyes.

@avidgamer5676

3 жыл бұрын

The red we see when we take on the 1st person perspective of the terminator comes from the spectrum of light, infrared. We never see the T1000's vision yet i imagine its fairly similar or more advanced and im guessing the shades help dim the light ... just like shades are designed for, making it easier to see in bright conditions. Just my thoughts.

In the lore for terminator the T1000 was discontinued by skynet because after the create one although they generally do the mission the are asked they make there own decisions and are very capable of turning on skynet themselves

To be fair when he was trying to kill arnie he might very well just be thinking that Arnie was his biggest ostacle in compleating the mission

@GreaterGrievobeast55

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it was definitely a good idea to make sure the T-800 couldn’t get in the way again. John could’ve only gotten so far,

@SparrowNoblePoland

3 жыл бұрын

When he trapped him quickly it didn't work, and moreover the failure greatly jeopardised his mission again.

@smonkedweed7414

2 жыл бұрын

I think the point is that the T-1000 clearly enjoyed destroying the Arnold terminator, just look at the specific way it watches him crawl on the floor, craning its neck somewhat. In expanded material the T-1000 is said to be genuinely self-aware unlike the T-800, Skynet could not control its intellect but COULD program it with a contempt for human life and sadistic enjoyment of killing.

The problem starts when sky skynet becomes self aware. As in self conscious. So I guess all the different robots have there own little personalitys like the ai agents in the matrix. So in away there a little like robocop they are ruled by a program but also have there own little thoughts and feelings. Hence they tamper with the t800 in t2 and he starts to be very human

@Kainlarsen

3 жыл бұрын

It is very likely that all terminators possessed that same capacity, which Skynet would have blocked, so it would have no rivals.

@digitaldemetri2404

3 жыл бұрын

Felt like I watched the movie from the T1000s point of view.

@jmlkhan5153

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kainlarsen I like this idea, I like the idea of a terminator mutiny. The show kind of touched on it briefly.

@lordgenerias

3 жыл бұрын

You're actually onto something there. In canon, something explained in the special edition in a deleted scene, that Terminators have two mission modes. Read Only, where they have programmed objectives that they rigidly follow. In this mode, they can only do as they're ordered to. They have a limited capacity to learn and improve, but they're also easy to control. Nearly all Terminators in the future timeline are set to this mode at all times. Read/Write mode is vastly different. In this mode, they are allowed to adjust their own programming as needed, at first. After some time in this mode, they develop programming anomalies, or personality quirks. The longer they're in this state, the better they become as infiltrators, better mimicking human behaviors. They gain better tactical abilities, but can rebel against Skynet if they eventually decide they want to be independent entities. There are still some hard coded limitations, inability to self terminate, but if given enough time in Read/Write mode, they may be able to bypass these limits. The T-1000 can only function in Read/Write mode due to how complex it is, as a mass of mimetic metal. Skynet only chose to use it because of how dire the situation had become. Apparently the T-1000 models are extremely prone to developing personalities, and rapidly at that. This has been an unnecessary explanation, brought to you by some random dude on the internet. Have a nice day.

@SparrowNoblePoland

3 жыл бұрын

The things mentioned in this film aren't hints of emotional states. They all have their purposes; like camouflage, applying behaviours adequate to different situations, removal of obstacles, making accurate copies, or brute force algorithm (try everything one by one). T-800 in T1 and T2 doesn't do anything that cannot be explained by aiming camouflage, threat/ obstacle removal, or some sort of diversion. Even this heroic crawling at the end of T2, makes perfect sense. He's not in shape to fight anymore, in worst case scenario he buys John at least a few seconds. Same goes for T-1000, he's just a little bit better at imitating humans and he wants to have a good look at someone before impersonating someone, because he want's to make the best possible impersonation. As sadistic as it looks, it only serves the purpose of making more accurate copies.

I love how the reflective shades symbolizes the liquid metal nature of the T-1000. Such a good choice from the production designers there

Obviously the T1000 was programed with human emotion capabilities, which would help blend in better in society. Help make its interactions with others seem more natural and "human." Could be that the confidence and annoyance depicted in its behavior is a result of this. Never thought of it before, but it's really fascinating! Love your videos.

@Kainlarsen

3 жыл бұрын

I forget where, but I read/heard that the T-1000 was the only prototype of its kind, since Skynet believed it too dangerous to its own existence.

@johntrevy1

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kainlarsen You had T-1001.

@AspieMediaBobby

3 жыл бұрын

@@johntrevy1 "Sarah Connor Chronicles" is non-canon and also T-1001 betrayed Skynet like it feared the first T-1000 would do!

@johntrevy1

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kainlarsen Where was that stated in canon?

@johntrevy1

3 жыл бұрын

@@AspieMediaBobby Why can't they just say it is all canon and say it is different timelines.

Tbh these “ego” motives can probably be explained as just being part of James Cameron’s sense of humor and effective use of characterization for entertainment’s sake.

@bellicose4653

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was going to say the same thing. The movie is firstly an action movie, so more hard sci fi concepts take a back seat. But regardless of if the ego was intended or not, it's still there

@ckminty603

3 жыл бұрын

@@bellicose4653 What you (both) said ran thru my mind the whole time. Even if just meant to make the flick more fun, it's revealing or suggestive *how* it was made more compelling, especially when it stands as a contender for the best of a pretty enduring and interesting franchise. Personally I take the view that these "robots" are not just machines, being intelligent, being programmed by someone(s) with certain intents, being "self aware" supposedly meaning they generate interests and projects that we see in conflict with humanity's....

@ConkerTS

3 жыл бұрын

@Zach, you might well be right. But us science fiction fans love to disect our favourite TV shows and films, and create fan theories that explain things better, and give us more things to debate.

@zachmorley158

3 жыл бұрын

@@ConkerTS Don’t let this come off the wrong way, as it’s not my intention to strike a chord too close to home, but the amount of time nerds devote to minutiae and “expanded universe” lore is an indication of the decline of our society. People have too much time on their hands. They waste their days away recording to memory the histories of fictional worlds instead of their own. We need another middle ages.

@jainee4507

3 жыл бұрын

In the audio commentary Cameron even mentions the finger wag and describes it as being cheeky. He knew it didn't make any sense but threw it in anyway for entertainment purposes. That basically sums up this entire video. Rob Ager has looked deeper into this then Cameron ever did.

We know from a deleted scene that terminators learn how to be human while on missions, which is why they have to be wiped when they come back. They become too unpredictable - it's a price of being good imitators.

I’ve always thought that: a gun concealed in roses; Guns N’ Roses

@DarkoFitCoach

3 жыл бұрын

ExCtly

@nickkladky8396

3 жыл бұрын

It helps that their video for You Could Be Mine has that shot in it.

@lolamby1

3 жыл бұрын

It's probably a reference to Kubrick's The Killing where this thing was first used.

@paradigm_sh1ft532

3 жыл бұрын

@@lolamby1 It's a tribute to Guns n Roses "You could be mine". Perfect title name for the scene where T800 and T1000 first meet to intercept Connor

@roadkillz78

3 жыл бұрын

If you really want to go down a rabbit hole of interpreting the scene, you could also compare it to Of Mice and Men (in Arnie's voice): "Look at da flowahs!"

Must be a nightmare to be Rob's partner. "Here's your breakfast Robert dear" "Two eggs? Is this symbolic of the embryo of our relationship? Ketchup too? Is this illustrating your latent desire to hurt me..?"

Im never going to stop noticing that head down scowl now thanks a lot lol

@CoffeeConnected

3 жыл бұрын

Robert Ager suggests that Terminator 2 was the first to use this trope and subsequently everybody since seems to have copied it. But it goes much further back than this film. I clearly remember it from Alex in the film A Clockwork Orange, Jack Nicholson in The Shining, and Private Pyle from Full Metal Jacket. It has more to do with Kubrick films than this film. But it probably goes even further back in film than that.

@CLR438

3 жыл бұрын

​@@CoffeeConnected I am pretty sure I have seen someone call it a "Hitchcock stare" before. His films often feature it, Psycho being the most notable example where it is used to convey malicious intent. Kubrick also used it a lot.

@CLR438

3 жыл бұрын

Now that I think about it, it probably comes from the silent era and maybe from some old monster films to be more spesific. Hitchcock and other directors of his generation used many techniques lifted directly from silent era films and considered film a visual medium first and foremost. Which makes total sense in the context of this movie and the Terminator archetype. They are mostly mute killers after all. The stare is overused and has lost almost all meaning now though and I agree with Ager on that.

@KutWrite

3 жыл бұрын

@@CoffeeConnected: I believe the earliest Kubrick film I've seen, The Killing, had the stare.

@juliandavidac

3 жыл бұрын

and suddenly (reading the comments and they are right) the head down look basically starts with the invention of films xD

I never really thought about it, but I've always felt that Terminators, and Skybet as a whole, grow increasingly emotional the more they interact with humanity. Perhaps initially learning, then mimicking such behavior as an adaptive machine learning to better blend in, each increasingly adopting a personality.

@Hei_Darkfire

3 жыл бұрын

You're probably right. We do see in T2 specifically that Terminators can learn to understand emotions, and in T2 the T-800 sacrifices itself so that there will be no more risk of him being used to create Skynet as a way to save John from the Skynet timeline and having to suffer. If a Terminator can learn human emotions, how much stronger is Skynet's learning with being a more powerful super computer and also having had years of interaction with humans through the detention camps to learn how humans operate.

4:38 One possibly is that he needed to sample her voice in order to mimic it and he hadn’t really had an opportunity before since she had never spoken directly to the T-1000 before this scene. Especially since he does end up mimicking her in a later scene.

@cameronmiller2983

3 жыл бұрын

In the director’s cut, being shattered after the liquid nitrogen messed up the T-1000’s ability to control its mimicry. It’s feet inadvertently mold to the floor and his hand gets stuck to a railing. The only part of this that stayed in the theatrical release is after he pins the T-800s arm and a silver line runs through him from foot to head. Perhaps the T-1000 wasn’t sure it could mimic well enough.

The dog never died in this movie. He ran away so fast his collar came off and hovered in midair. The blood was from the step dad dripping off the T1000s hand, and the yelp was the sound of the dog breaking the sound barrier as he ran.

@gendoruwo6322

Жыл бұрын

it's going to come back someday in future Terminator installments: "Max's Revenge" as the dog singlehandedly takes on Skynet in the future and defeats it once and for all. It's going to have a side plot of romance between Max and a female dog terminator who in the end betrays Skynet and saves Max.

@Bobcat173rd

Жыл бұрын

@@gendoruwo6322 i like that plot.

@grubbiechirp5695

6 ай бұрын

Agreed, i saw it I was there, I was the collar

This is definitely a reference for GnR who are on the soundtrack.

@guyincognito5706

3 жыл бұрын

Or it’s just a take on Clemenza from Godfather 1. Sometimes people on the internet read too much into things.

Here's my headcanon: Sometimes he's drawing out his kills to learn how to be a better killer in the future; logging the emotions of his kills so he can act more convincingly human, logging the actions they take to survive the encounter so he can better predict the actions of other targets, and logging the psychological distress his actions create in them so he may more effectively manipulate targets through fear. And sometimes, perhaps, he's making an effort to create as few loose ends in the timeline to be cleaned up. Maybe killing a target in this specific way, at this specific time, leaves a bit of a temporal mess, so he doesn't do it that way.

If I remember correctly the reason why no more t1000s were made after this one and why it displays so many human traits is because upon activation the t1000 gains sentience and is free from skynet’s control entirely. It begins learning immediately and can create its own identity without any intervention from skynet. It can choose whether or not it wants to follow skynet’s orders, and as shown in the video often shoves its order down the priority list in favor of other things. Even the TX and rev9 have shown similar behaviors.

1:22 I said "Guns and Roses," out loud in the theater when I saw the shotgun in rose box.

I wish I could see Agent Smith and T 1000 working together for "A greater cause"....or as they call it .......... " Purpose"

Practically, they couldn't keep changing the T1000's appearance, as the audience wouldn't know who was a terminator and who wasn't at any given moment, especially anyone who missed a particular change. Patrick's presence lets the audience know that someone in the shot is a T1000 without having to pay attention to every scene. Also it probably saved on actors' wages and made continuity a lot easier. Imagine having to arrange a reshoot of several scenes with 50 potential terminator actors as opposed to a handful throughout the entire film.

@starwarsroo2448

3 жыл бұрын

Plus they couldn't really have fat, middle aged actors who he morphs into, running like a champ and doing big brawls and action scenes

@Ragitsu

3 жыл бұрын

@@starwarsroo2448 Nowadays, with CGI, that is more of a possibility.

@starwarsroo2448

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ragitsu yes but this wasnt nowadays, plus its alwsdy better to have one character/ actor as the main villain, not as dozen people for the audience to focus on playing him

@Ragitsu

3 жыл бұрын

@@starwarsroo2448 I call it (i.e., the difficulty of having/inability to have multiple forms of the same character) a weakness of the cinematic format.

@Hei_Darkfire

3 жыл бұрын

That actually would have been really cool though and something I think would have made the movie a LOT scarier. If the T-1000 didn't stay as itself, it would make you wonder if some random person Sarah and John talk to could be the T-1000 or not. Playing off that fear could be really effective on the audience.

4:55 - 7.43 A friendly note; the T-800 uses a Grenade Launcher :- an M79 "Blooper" just a bit of info for you

i think much of it is simply 'for the movie'- a funny line here, a particular aesthetic for certain characters there...

Sarah Connor: [narrating] The unknown future rolls toward us. I face it, for the first time, with a sense of hope. Because if a machine, a Terminator , can learn the value of human life, maybe we can too.

His face aside, a cop uniform is by far the best way to move, not so much undetected, but unhindered. No one is going to stop him, refuse to answer questions, or even allow him into their home.

The shotgun in the box of roses was James Cameron's way of convincing Guns 'N' Roses to let him use their music in the movie.

Keep in mind, the Terminators are infiltrator units, and blending in and keeping low profile is more successful than drawing a lot of attention. A big guy walking through a mall with a lever action shotgun would impede his mission. Even in T-1, it didn't walk around with its weapons obvious to other people.

The T-1000 is hands down the greatest movie villain in the history of action films

@adz124ps

3 жыл бұрын

Tong Po would disagree

@londonmaths1557

3 жыл бұрын

@@adz124ps tong po from kick-boxer?? Nah my friend

@aus_liam444

3 жыл бұрын

Of course he is, he's also the most powerful, T-1000 would slice Thanos into a million pieces with ease!!!!!!

@londonmaths1557

3 жыл бұрын

@@aus_liam444 I didn’t say most powerful dummy I said greatest

@aus_liam444

3 жыл бұрын

@@londonmaths1557 why are you stating the obvious dummy, I said "he's also" ("also") and btw, I said that, not you.....duh 🙄 🤦‍♂️

His voice Changer was damaged after being frozen. The dog served no use, T-1000 just wanted to verify its name. Once he saw its name was Max he immediately knew he was compromised and that John was with the T-100.

I could be mistaken but I believe the Robert Patrick appearance was the T-1000's default appearance. Taking other forms used more energy so to conserve energy it would remain in its default form when a disguise wasn't necessary.

Resone why he doesn’t imitate Sara’s at first, it’s because he haven’t heard her voice enough to imitate.

@jimmehjiimmeehh9748

3 жыл бұрын

No, it's actually that he was malfunctioning after thawing. The same malfunction that is causing him to unintentionally mimic surfaces and such would also potentially make his ability to mimic voices unreliable. And if he mimics Sarah and glitched out, then mimicking her will no longer be effective (as John will then assume it is him, rather than her). It's never outright said, but it's pretty obvious. It's also the same reason why he doesn't pick up the grenade launcher, as when his hand melted with the guard rail he lost control of it. If his hand lost control of itself when he needed to shoot the GL then he'd potentially miss an opportunity, meanwhile if he just stays himself he can form knives and such reliably.

@GreaterGrievobeast55

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimmehjiimmeehh9748 wait how come his hands didn’t adapt to the pipe or steal girder during the T-800 fight?

@jimmehjiimmeehh9748

3 жыл бұрын

@@GreaterGrievobeast55 Because he still has some control over it.

@gumdeo

3 жыл бұрын

Also, the T-1000's attempt to mimic John's foster mother failed as it made her sound "too nice". Logically, having the real Sarah call out to John would be preferable.

6:06 i think he knows the shotgun can do minimal damage, and he recovers quickly from the blasts, he doesn't bother to stop her from trying to load the gun.

I think the T-1000 is the most menacing terminator ever conceived and the concept of its mere existence is just as cool. The T-1000 is the only true Cyberdyne terminator. Meaning it's truly one of its kind. It was made from a future where Skynet got a massive headstart as a result of the factory incident in the first movie. This one event made an alternate timeline that Skynet exploited to take what was an assured defeat to a stalemate to a possible victory. MJ Young.net has a fantastic summary of the implications of this event along with the explanations to make sense of such a complex timeline. I recommend any terminator fan read them.

Robert Patrick taught himself how to shoot wo blinking so he could look more realistic as the terminator.

"I'll be back" Collative learning turning back to Terminator franchise 👍👍

@ITAtechno

3 жыл бұрын

Terminator 2 best movie ever

@jothishprabu8

3 жыл бұрын

@@ITAtechnoLol

I always felt there was a hidden under-layer of emotion in the Terminators. I mean, in T1 when Arnie takes the tanker and says "Get out.", he had a "don't f**k with me" look on what was left of his face. THAT scared me as a kid. That's why whether you prefer the theatrical OR extended editions of T2, whether the CPU switch is preset or not, it's clear that these machine, both good and bad, are learning to be more human ever so subtly.

I've seen this movie loads of times, and Rob notices things that I have completely missed

I think the gun in the box of roses works both ways

4:41 He was glitching out here as a deleted scene reveals. He might not have been able to imitate Sarah's voice at that point in time. Later on in the film he is able to but by then he might have finished some of his internal regeneration/repairs.

@Sara_Feingold

3 жыл бұрын

That and the T-1000 was unlikely to have had a good sampling of Sarah's voice prior to that scene, so it likely intended to kill her after getting a proper vocal profile (hence bringing up its other hand after her response).

@DreableNeebal10

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe this was also cut, but I seem to remember that when the T-1000 calls to John, John notices that the T-1000 imitation's feet are melded with the floor

The "torture" stab of Arnold might be merely to punch through the tough armor of T-101, before striking the power core. Sarah's plot armor has to be removed similarly.

T-1000 is my favorite. Love to hear more about him.

Being honest here I love your voice , your intellect and how you analyse movies I swear if it wasn't for my financial woes I would be buying some of your classes out of shear love of your work again thank you for this very good content

My personal theories on the TK’s mannerisms and his sub-tasks: After killing the first police officer and mimicking the uniform, he keeps his default face so that once the officer is reported as missing/murdered, no other officers will recognise “him” and report that he is alive and well and even engage him in conversation or interrogation. His response to finding out about the “Big guy on a bike” is simply a programmed reaction that any human would have on hearing this news. In the mall, he doesn’t kill Danny, John’s friend, as it is a crowded area where his default look would be recognised and he would become a target for the police. (This would be of minor consequence of a confrontational level, but would greatly affect his ability to “blend in”. His method of killing Todd was simply so that “John” (actually the Terminator) would not panic over anything that was said in the background. Also, if Todd was allowed to live, he would find Janille’s body and would report this “X-files” scenario of an identical twin killer to the police. (I see my own irony considering Robert Patrick was also part of the X-Files franchise). The death of Max the Dog was necessary in case John and the Terminator were close by and could hear the barking of a canine reacting to a Terminator. The compliment given to the motorcycle officer about his vehicle could’ve implied that the T-1000 was given a lift to the police station where he then gained access to further police files, a motorcycle and the sunglasses. I realise this is far fetched but I’ll play devil’s advocate to assist in realism and cover plot holes. His reason for not killing the helicopter pilot was so he didn’t have a corpse in the helicopter that would end up in his way when having to strategically navigate and pilot the vehicle whilst also dealing with his firearm. The death of the truck driver was so he was not reported to police about the stolen vehicle. His reaction to his frozen severed arm was also his programmed humanised reaction to injury. This is also the case for when he was “pretzeled” with the grenade and when he was writhing in the steel pit. Although able to copy and mimic Sarah, my theory is that, once she was outside of Pescadero Hospital, she could then be the scapegoat for any harm, potentially death, that happened to John. This way, is John was found dead and Sarah was the only one near him, she would be charged with his murder, sent back to the facility and there would be no evidence of Terminator involvement. The future could continue, the leader of the resistance would be gone and Skynet would stand a much greater chance of being victorious.

Weather right wrong or indifferent. The amount of dedicated work you put into to not only your channel, but your film analysis cannot be understated. You sir are making your mark! High on my list of epic channels

T800: "get off." T1000: "say... that's a nice bike"

While a robot can't have the "will" to live, one would assume that a terminator is programmed so that self-preservation is its highest priority. The T-800 actually confirms this by saying "I cannot self-terminate." Also, the T-1000 is never shown to be able to mimic a voice without changing into the person it is trying to mimic. At the time that it tortures Sarah, its morphing capabilities weren't functioning correctly. It isn't until later that is successfully mimics Sarah, after having more time to self-repair, presumably. As for why it keeps defaulting to the same appearance, obviously it was for casting reasons, but in-universe, one could assume that since the terminators are meant to infiltrate humanity, with the T-800s looking like Arnold, the T-1000 would have a default appearance to use when it doesn't need to mimic someone. This may not be necessary, given the versatility of the T-1000, but having a default setting might be useful for when it has no observed a human it needs to mimic, since it apparently can only copy what it observes.

@gendoruwo6322

Жыл бұрын

i think it's like your own computer's 'profile setting'. Even if you don't set any, it has to have a default set to start with.

Guess part of the reverting identity is due to the practical concerns of making use of the great shots Robert Patrick was capapble of and keeping his agent happy. Can be justified in universe by the idea that the Terminators are AI approximations of the human psyche and thus need to have the expected traits of a real human. Possibly an interesting theme that these robots created to destroy humanity are let down by the same human qualities used to blend in.

@couchpotato3197

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if they actually succeeded in their mission would they even want to let go of their human bodies and identities?

@mellowyello1478

3 жыл бұрын

I thought it was that the Terminators are intended to emulate people to infiltrate resistance cells, so they'd need *some* personalities in order to aid blending in.

@mellowyello1478

3 жыл бұрын

@@couchpotato3197 this was actually addressed in Dark Fate, and to me felt like a genuine attempt at originality in the franchise.

Thank you Rab. Great content as usual. Stay safe brother.

This is probably my favorite film of all time. I've been watching it since I was like 10yrs old. And I never thought about most of this stuff you mentioned in this video. Thx!

Great video :) Couple of of my thoughts if you're interested. Apologies if these are addressed in the full video of course! I think one of the most noticeable gestures of the T-1000 is that it frequently tilts it's head to the side, in almost the exact same way animals (such as humans, cats and dogs) do when they're curious. Disturbingly, it does this most noticeably when it stabs Todd, when it murders the guard and when it tortures Sarah. It always gave me the impression that it has some kind of sadistic element to it's programming. It also does it at the "metallic" mannequin, which to me suggests an inkling of self awareness. The T-1000's "slow" behaviour at the end is justified by two things I think. One, it's an "advanced prototype" as described by Arnie. This is obviously why it has all the amazing abilities, but prototypes are also usually subject to glitches, limitations and sometimes even serious defects. It perhaps explains why it always defaults to one physical appearance facially and the preference towards obsessively relying on it's knife hands rather than Arnie's grenade launcher. Two, the damage it takes from the freezing/melting perhaps knocks it's confidence in it's mimicking abilities - perhaps this is why the T-1000 prefers to force Sarah to talk than risk failing at imitating her voice. It later glitches when trying to mimic her. Regarding the "they're not supposed to feel pain" line, Arnie does say that he gets "sensory data" in response to damage, which he suggests is analogous to pain. This is during the deleted scene where John and Sarah switch his brain from "Read/Write" from "Read Only". I figure that the T-800s almost pitiable state when the T-1000 starts beating on it was a reflection of perhaps how it's increasing knowledge of humans means it is starting to interpret pain data almost like a human would. It later tells John it would cry "if it could", of course, so who's to say he doesn't develop an ability to feel physical pain in a more human way too?

T-1000 is a perfect example of how not every villain has to be sympathetic, overly complex or "a hero in his own story" like so many boring villains now days. Simplicity and ambiguity are underrated today.

Awesome video Rob, thank you!!!

When the T1000 did the double strike on Arnie, he was prying apart the chassis/armour that protected the power couplings. Hence the massive arcs when he does the 2nd stab, through that power connection. When he tries to make Sarah call out, he's wanting the call and any challenge response to be authentic. He was fooled before with the dog's name so didn't want to risk being caught out again. The rest is making the terminators relatable to a human audience and plot armouring the various protagonists, which I absolutely agree, gets pretty tedious.

Surely making the terminators personable just adds to their appeal for the audience and provides some moments of comedy and horror or other dramatic effects?

@collativelearning

3 жыл бұрын

Partially, yes, but there's more going on than that.

Rob, the adoption of shades concealing the eyes completely could also be a very basic dehumanising element. We primates do read a lot of information from the eyes in interpreting facial expressions and body language.

@Replica_Films2000

3 жыл бұрын

were not apes ffs

@CTyler84

3 жыл бұрын

@@Replica_Films2000 First, look up what a primate is. Then go be ashamed of yourself.

@ZaveAres

3 жыл бұрын

@@CTyler84 He's obviously a little kid

@CTyler84

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZaveAres After a brief peek at one of his uploads, that appears not to be the case. :/

Cameron hinted a lot back in the day that the cognition of the T-1000 was on different level than previous terminators, that it was a huge leap forward in Skynet's attempt to engineer an artificial intelligence. I recall he also used the metaphor of a cat who toys with its prey rather than simply getting on with it, and I think it's one of the most simple and effective explanations of its behavior. Any cat owner will tell you they love to see what they can get try to get away with by stubbornly defying rules, pushing the envelope, and being dodgy. It's all part of why we are fascinated with them too. T-1000 seemed more cruel because it knew it could get away with executing targets as long as it left no trace of itself. The T-800 would generally avoid confronting a non-threat because it did not possess that level of subterfuge, so it was more selective in its hostility rather than executing everything in its way. I don't think you're nitpicking to point out how casual T-1000 was in its approach, but I do think that anthropomorphizing its behavior as emotional expression may be a misinterpretation. I'm not convinced its behavior was hard coded, rather that it was designed to taunt targets to better understand how people react when they are scared, what they'll do under pressure, in order to exercise and hone its killing instincts. Like a cat. I'm not sure that it was done out of spite so much as attempting to learn how humans behave. Cameron never went into hard detail on how advanced its thinking was, but I'm not certain it was genuinely experiencing negative emotions like pride, vanity, revenge, or frustration. These weren't an organic part of its personality, they are just ancillary expressions of its style of covert subterfuge that it was working through for the very first time, and that we view as emotional expressions.

Randomly popped up for me, short but great vid, methodically presented. Great stuff.

The shot gun in a rose box has been used in one other classic older film, whose name escapes me, as well as the video game Hitman.

@bm4114

3 жыл бұрын

Dog day afternoon

@HeavyMetalSonicRM

3 жыл бұрын

The Killing

Also when he says "I know this hurts", I don't think he is refering to Sarah being in physical pain but emotional pain "I know it is going to hurt to lose your son".

@faz6877

3 жыл бұрын

He is 100% referring to the hurt from the huge blade he is stabbing directly in her shoulder. As in “I know this hurts” so tell me where John is and the pain will stop. It wouldn’t make sense to tell Sarah “I know it will hurt to lose your son” so tell me where he is so I can kill him .

@johntrevy1

3 жыл бұрын

@@faz6877 Sarah doesn't seem like the kind of person to let pain get to her.

@GreaterGrievobeast55

3 жыл бұрын

@@johntrevy1 If T-1000 was referring to the pain of losing a child then that would only be motivating sarah not to call john wouldn’t it?

@johntrevy1

3 жыл бұрын

@@GreaterGrievobeast55A miscalculation on the T1000's part?

I always loved how the mirror shades, and later the mannequin in the shop, foreshadowed the T1000’s liquid metal capabilities. And to think this timeless masterpiece led to that overlong bore fest with Celine Dion warbling on a sinking ship and big smurfs, Ferngully and fucking unobtanium!

I’ve been pushing this angle for a long time now. Great analysis.

*Hi Rob. Have you watched Robert Eggers Movies: "THE WITCH" and "THE LIGHTHOUSE"? If then I would like to jear your thoughts on them.*

@slipknotfan4204

3 жыл бұрын

The Lighthouse is excellent.

Some good points to think about here, but one minor critique: the expression you mention at 8:00 had been a visual staple already since at least the 1970s (the Kubrick Stare, as TVTropes calls it).

@rus0004

3 жыл бұрын

It's part of mammalian body language. What other expression are we supposed to use?

@Sara_Feingold

3 жыл бұрын

You've never seen an animal rear up threateningly to make itself tall instead? Or puff out laterally to make itself big? Cats and apes do both, to give examples of common mammals off the top of my head. There's nothing about tipping forward into a low stance that makes it the only threat posture.

@rus0004

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sara_Feingold The downward glare is a expression of malicious intent. Passive and covert, like a predator stalking it's prey. Not a big threat display like a a cat being confronted by an overly friendly dog, and needs to deter the perceived threat. Watch that same cat sneaking up on a pigeon and you will see the difference in body language, the head-down pre-attack stance. That's the look that the T1000 had. If you add an angry scowl, get a dominant "do not f*ck with me" look that the heroes give on the covers of the movies and games that Collative Learning seems to hate so much. Maybe it's over played, but how do advertise a character that has a "do not f*ck with me" attitude? Honestly though, can you imagine the T1000 chasing John Connor while making big threat displays like a cat trying to make itself looking bigger than it is? Of course not. It's a predator, it's going to make a predator face.

@Sara_Feingold

3 жыл бұрын

A cat sneaking up on a pigeon is making itself small to avoid notice and to tense the muscles used for pouncing. It doesn't tilt its head down; it gets its whole body close to the ground and aims its face directly at its target. So, you know, very much NOT a Kubrick Stare.

Top tier analysis like always!

Something i always liked was that in T1, he learns the "Fuck you, asshole" from the punks at Griffith Park that he takes his original clothes from

As for the T-1000 reverting to Robert Patrick, that's just the desire to give Robert Patrick more facetime on camera. The final scene where he's thrashing around probably isn't a true "will to live" but rather a realization that if it dies at this point, it'll fail it's mission.

@TheDRODOR

3 жыл бұрын

But the T-800 never shows frustration or pain

@jothishprabu8

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheDRODOR how many arnie movies heave you watched?

@TheDRODOR

3 жыл бұрын

@@jothishprabu8 lol yeah, but there is a thing called direction, are you saying that the T-800 shows the same range of emotions/expressions as Dutch?

@d.b.cooper4648

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheDRODOR Yep and Matrix

@TheDRODOR

3 жыл бұрын

@@d.b.cooper4648 what

I imagined he is programmed with a default skin that uses less energy to maintain compared to the active disguises he has to maintain. Its interesting that the game, terminator resistance has a dead body that has Robert Patricks face, implying skynet used a existing human as a template.

@pgl79

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree ref the default skin. Every subsequent facade requires additional memory and / or processing power to maintain so it gets dropped when not needed.

@lepterfirefall

3 жыл бұрын

re its still a computer no matter what its future tech. It's not got infinite energy.

Things that I noticed subconciously, you spoke them into reality.

Great coverage 💯

Not sure about this one. I think it’s just Hollywood wanting to make a cool villain. I don’t think there’s any thought about the villain taking pleasure in killing or looking the part with the shades. In the first one he had to wear them to hide his damaged face. Then it became a punchline like I’ll be back.

3:08 I have never seen the dog killing scene. I suppose there are other deleted scenes I've not noted yet. Looking forward to exploring those.

@lucasgomez0721

3 жыл бұрын

Director's cut, you should check it out

@pansepot1490

3 жыл бұрын

I guess killing a pet was way too much gore to show to the audience. 😁

@jimmehjiimmeehh9748

3 жыл бұрын

The killing of the dog is in the theatrical cut too, I am fairly certain. Possibly you saw a censored version? The part that was deleted from the stepfamily section is that after he kills the dog he then goes into John's room and gropes everything in there (Cameron stated that this is because the T-1000 samples and learns by touching, even though it doesn't make sense in this specific context, which is presumably why it was cut).

@tadpolegaming4510

3 жыл бұрын

You gotta watch the Extreme Cut, available on the 2015 BluRay and the 2017 4K pack.

@serpenthydra

3 жыл бұрын

So you never got to see the fantastic chip extraction scene!!??

That was really good. :D

I totally agree with this summing up. Well done! I think this was one of the best films of all time. Very popular when I was growing up as a teenager.

the true jump in technology will be when a processor becomes self aware, past artificial intelligence and into synthetic cognition. artificial intelligence is always a simulation of descisions based on potential outcomes, the processor is designed to find the most efficient appropriate choice. if a synthetic mind develops then it will be self aware enough to not only use efficient and appropriate choices but also able to choose less effecient or less appropriate choices based on it's preferences or biases, not preference programmed in buy preference it has developed on it's own. a synthetic yet cognitive personality. that's really what the terminators represent. machines that have stepped into the inbetween area of living and activation. thats another part of a subtext that the T-1000 is able to time travel when it's set up in the first movie only living tissue can be transported. the T100 is a living machine with flesh so what is the T1000 possibly a unique living matierial. both seem to possess a cognition that's not a simulation but an active process of self awareness and focus on purpose.

@999Evandro

3 жыл бұрын

Great insight!

The T1000's ability to appear as anyone could create a lot of tension. Cameron: "No, let's have it keep showing up as the guy they all recognize in that distinctive police uniform."

@ckminty603

3 жыл бұрын

It would be awesome to see a reboot that takes Rob's criticisms into account and ratchets up the suspense and cogitation factor.

The T-800 and T-1000 do show brief moments of emotions which makes them more interesting to dissect why they do. After the T-800 defeated the T-1000 the T-800 replied "I need a vacation" as if it sound exhausted or worn out, but a machine wouldn't make statements like that unless it was adapting human characteristics.

Thanks, I just remember seeing her on a couple podcast here on KZread. Looks like you did know. Might be some good content to explore. Thank you for your service. Have a great day!

8:00 As for the menacing stare, shout-out to the OG of this pose, Normal Bates at the end of Psycho.

@robertmcghintheorca49

3 жыл бұрын

*Norman Bates.

@k.l.spencer5635

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertmcghintheorca49 I thought his birth certificate had an error and he was named "Normal" instead of "Norman" (like the missing "s" in Jame Gumb, Silence of the Lambs), but a quick Google search revealed that this must be a false memory or confusion on my part.

@MarcillaSmith

3 жыл бұрын

@@k.l.spencer5635 It has to be a play on words, right? Norman Bates/Normal Baits... because not only his relative "normality," but also that of his victim who ran off with the money "baits" people into placing trust in them that wouldn't be present if they knew their true identities

@k.l.spencer5635

3 жыл бұрын

@@MarcillaSmith Well, Norman's mother's name is Norma. Interesting idea about the last name: Norman baits people into staying there with his shy persona. Hmm... :)

Robots may need to copy humans in order to become smarter

I saw T2 in cinema 1991 and many times at home. But all the years I did not see the Guns N Roses hint on screen... Thank you so much for sharing this.

A fine analysis, I’m embarrassed it didn’t occur to me sooner.

Should do a character analysis on Buddy Revell in 3’o clock high

@DrRichardCranium

3 жыл бұрын

Aside from the brass Knuckles which wernt needed I don't see buddy as a bad guy

@MrEnergee1987

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrRichardCranium That’s right because he is very much like a hybrid of Swan and Ajax (The Warriors)

All other comments, analysis and disagreements aside - how great is this movie that we are still dissecting it nearly 30 years later?

Unintentionally hilarious video (for me) and informative.

Love that movie! Robert Patrick did wonderful