I've been shooting for a number of years and I don't think i will ever understand people complaining about safteys. I've never had one fail and its just added security. If you don't want a saftey don't engage it. Problem solved.

@lawrencebaronaalfiler6825

6 ай бұрын

You mean safety?

@rdizzo1313

3 күн бұрын

Me either. People are babies… Never Happy… They act like you have to train and train and train if they aren’t used to it. I get my guns loaded with features. Don’t like it don’t engage it. Seems weird to have blank spots where a feature would be. Like getting a car with blank switches. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. Reviewers act like they get in the way. As if they are going to actual battle…🤔🧐

Wish this guy was still doing videos, dude just lays it out, no bs

I have a p320 subcompact and i couldn't believe how accurate it was and to distance. Im glad the military went with the Sig I live in NH so it's awesome to see them get the contract.

@MrKsan05

4 жыл бұрын

I have a sig p320 compact and a Beretta 92x. I find they are both very good pistols but I find the Beretta to be more accurate than the P320 but not a lot. I'm very happy with either. The Beretta shoots better but weights a ton more than the Sig.

@cosmokramer8078

3 жыл бұрын

The Sig won because of price, not because its a better pistol.

@traviszahir2699

3 жыл бұрын

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@walkermiller3684

3 жыл бұрын

@Travis Zahir yea, I've been using InstaFlixxer for months myself :D

The most informative M17/P320 review I have seen to date. Thank you!

@ptcghustler5406

4 жыл бұрын

For sure

Very well laid out points and perspective. Interesting to hear someone from the military giving such a thorough presentation on the pistols and philosophy of military use.

@GRC_Lexxlr8

5 жыл бұрын

rockyhillperson nice profile picture

It's July 2023 .. Purchased a sig p320 m18 and shot it for the first time on the 4th of July, love it 🇺🇸

The M17 & M18 use the same grip module, thats why its shorter.

Great Video , and Thank you for info on the M-17 . 👍

I recently qualified as a Navy small arms instructor. I qualified at a very fun time. Our aircrew carry the M11. The navy will be getting the M18 which means I will only have one handgun to deal with. My students are usually split 50/50 between the M9 and the M11, some like one and some like another. The M9 is a fantastic pistol, but I am extremely excited to see these changes.

I live in Kalifornistan and can’t get any new firearms due to the CA roster. Be thankful if you live in a free state.

@jhelmsing

5 жыл бұрын

Pray for Cali 🙏

@osxgp

5 жыл бұрын

Jen farmer While the Sig may not be that good, my point was that this state has prevented any new firearms from becoming available. Even the same gun with updated features, mechanics or safety will not make the list. The purpose is to phase out guns towards an outright ban.

@ceejay8775

5 жыл бұрын

Sig p220 sig sp2022 and sig p238 although California ruined it with the loaded chamber indicator and magazine disconnect.

@osxgp

5 жыл бұрын

LEVI L. It isn’t a gun I would personally get but there are so many I would love to own such as the H&K VP9 for starters

@dilldowschwagginz2674

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe think about moving bro. California is lost to the hysterical liberals.

Good job! Enjoyed your review. I purchased an M17 Air from Sauers when made available. Enjoy it and it is serving well as a training weapon especially at a time our ranges were closed down. 🪖 Go Army!

It uses the shorter "carry" grip module so the slide can be swapped for the shorter M18 (compact size) slide.

Just picked one up.it preforms fantastic. I also like the new Beretta will be getting one soon.

I bought the civilian M17 at Christmas Very nice shooting firearm one of my favorites great video!

Excellent review! 👏🏼 Personally, I am very pleased with my civvie version of the M17. I did change the original factory frame for the Wilson Combat modular frame. I also changed the original curved trigger for an Apex advanced flat trigger shoe. I haven't experienced any issues, no hiccups, no complains. I got a reliable handgun, very accurate, with an improved trigger and ergonomics. I love the military Sig Sauer platform for personal protection, security and home defense. I easily carry the M17 concealed in a OWB Kydex holster here in Texas. Yes, it can easily be done with an OWB Kydex holster. I do it on regular basis.

Great review, just subbed!

I have a Beretta 92x RDO and Sig sauer p320 full size. Love them both!

Another great video. The M17 is outstandng. Spot on as far as the use of the pistol in the military. From my experience in the US Army Infantry, not a lot of real training is on the pistol. It seems to have improved over the years, but in reality the US Army pistol training pretty much sucks overall. Also, for anyone wanting to cowitness irons, go with the DPP rear factory sight and a Dawson .400 front. Would like to see you cover the P320 professional series since you are LE.

@oleboy7615

2 жыл бұрын

What makes the M17 outstanding and spot on for what the military needs?

Upgraded to the M17 from the P365 as my EDC solely on when I was shopping for a carbine i picked up the M17 and immediately was told by 2 other customers and the salesman that they all owned 1 and they all loved it. I now love mine. No thumb safety on mine cause I'm not a boomer and black controls cause I shoot mine. Romeo1 and a PL mini by Olight flush17 mag +1 with the 21 extra in the pocket. I'm set.

Thanks for your service.

@jhelmsing

4 жыл бұрын

I appreciate your gesture but I don't deserve any thanks for what I do. 👍🏼

Great information 👍

Great video!

Good stuff, JH! Merry Christmas!!! 🌟🎄🎁📯❄️☃️

Besides the drop issue which warranted a small redesign. A nice gun a big step up from the Beretta.

I just got one and I’m itching to take it out to the range. First off I wanna say that it is one of the best looking pistols out there. And for the safety, my first bid was for one with a manual safety but they’re so hard to find in stock anywhere that I ended up paying a really good price for one without a safety and 2 extra 21 round mags when I got the chance.

Best review on both of these pistols i have seen yet, good job brother!

Great video would love to see u review the m18 when it comes out.

@jhelmsing

5 жыл бұрын

As would I... It is on my short list when it finally rolls out.

I’d like a video with the bb training pistol

Other uses for pistols in the military, Armored Vehicle crews such as Bradley and Tank crews, Aircraft crewman such as Blackhawks and Chinooks, and the Military Police. MPs patrol with their sidearms while policing the garrison area of military installations.

Thank you for your non biased review of the M17. As a Soldier for Life ( US Army Retired) I really appreciate your comments on this weapon. For those reviewers that have never served in the Army, I would appreciate it if you would stop bad mouthing the Army. We might not be perfect at least in your eyes, however we have been defending you pretty dang good so far

Pistols were highly useful in Iraq as a driver in a QRF section. Pulling up to a firefight popping right off the bat, it was nice having it right there at your side in case some asshole popped out of an alley behind you. You definitely didn’t want to get stopped up trying to pull your A2 out of a confined space

I have the p320 in 45 acp I love it I actually like it more than my m&p and I'm gonna trade that in for the xm17 model

Excellent Review!

Sig hit a home run with the p320 platform.

Thank you for an unbiased opinion. It lately seems to be fashionable among some reviewers to bash the Army for the selection of the SIG. I have a fair amount of experience with the M9/92A1, and think the M17 is a sound choice. Change is difficult.

@jhelmsing

5 жыл бұрын

Excellent point. I think when you combine the element of change with the fact that Glock is playing second fiddle despite their use and success with SOCOM units, you have a lot of negativity being stirred up unjustly and frankly a lot of it is from unqualified individuals.

@thefreeman8791

5 жыл бұрын

I agree. And when people point out that something broke in the military trials it’s like hmmm who would have thought that the military would break something? I mean they literally take the product if a $40 billion program and take it out and break it on purpose. That is what the military does and anyone trashing Sig for the military breaking their pistols has no clue how rough the military is on it’s tools.

@reachblowsdick7222

5 жыл бұрын

@@@thefreeman8791 - The military broke the M17 but couldn't break the G19x, and Sig is not to blame? The military wanted a cheap pistol that was "good enough", not most reliable. They didn't care about "modularity" because if they did the G19x wouldn't have made it to the front door before testing even began, yet it was a finalist. Pistols don't win wars, they hardly ever see combat use. Even terrorist like ISIS who don't have the billion dollar budget of the U.S. Army use rifles and hardly any pistols. Why would the military spend an extra $100 million for a sidearm that won't really see combat? A soldier hardly uses all the rounds in one magazine during actual combat, if that's the case a cheap $150 Hi-Point sold at Academy could do the job Glock, Beretta and Sig are doing for the military. The military wanted a good enough to pass cheapest lowest bidder and got it with Sig. When Volkswagen built a factory in Mexico, do you think it was because Mexicans are the world's finest auto builders? NO! Mexico offered the lowest and cheapest acceptable quality to spit out as many cars as possible. This is all about money, NOT what pistol is the best for the soldiers. A lot of Army big shots got some lovely bonus gifts for Christmas, compliments of Sig Sauer ;) I'm glad Glock got a dose of their own medicine. Glock is by far the greediest, selfish bunch of assholes in the gun community, and the Army threw that right back in their faces. It's just too bad Glock make incredibly reliable pistols.

@johnmarquez7413

5 жыл бұрын

@ItalianBrownsFAN 🤣 they broke protocol!!!!😱

@jhelmsing

5 жыл бұрын

@ItalianBrownsFAN this is false.

I’ve been in the Guard for twelve years and would love to get into Guard-sponsored competition shooting. Any tips?

i recommend galloway rear notch sight, and dawson precision .455

I LOVE my M17. Wish I had it in 2003 (Iraq, 101st Pathfinder). The M9/was always junk to me. Also, competitive shooting starting 6th grade 4-H.

Thanks for the review , how is the m17 holding up ?

Great weapon and great review! An M17 is calling to me, but waiting on the M18. My P320 full size Tacops and P320 compact are serving me well right now.

@82lowe36id

5 жыл бұрын

Ended up getting an M17. Outstanding as I guessed it would be. The one thing I'm not completely liking is the width of the rear sight. It takes away a lot of your field of view. I wish the width was the same as regular Sig sights.

Own it...love it!

This is the burst video that I have seen of yours. You got a new sub here. But on this video... one of the things that these people who complain about a failure of the Sig because it broke while the military was testing it must have no clue how much the military abuses their tools. I mean they get handed a prototype that would cost billions of dollars to produce and the first thing they do is take it out and break it.

I think it’s a great pistol. I was first issued a 1911A1 as an 11C. Later carried a M9 on 2 deployments. I’ve fired hundreds of thousands of rounds through pistols as a civ cop instructor and in the Army. I bought an M17 after I retired...it is the best pistol the Army has ever used. However, unless the Army starts to actually train those who carry a pistol, it’s just a decoration. No wars have ever been won with a pistol.

My 320 xCompact is very accurate and reliable. I've put over 2000 rounds through it on the original springs and have not yet had one issue, going to see how far I can push these springs so I know how often I genuinely have to change them out as the maintenance schedule is always meant to have you buying parts you don't need, well before you need them. That said with the Wilson Combat grip module and the Romeo 1 Pro, this is the perfect EDC for me and listen I know it's subjective but I've never carried something so comfortable, accurate and reliable and while Sig is known to do some testing on their initial buyers before they work out all the bugs, if you purchase a model a year or so after it drops? You can know you're pretty much getting a top of the line firearm.

Great real life perspective. Very valuable. As always, a great help. I have been holding off on purchasing a p226 or p227 for about a year. The p320 is edging itself in as a potential more and more. Thanks.

Good stuff Brother!

My unit has the M-17 with the black furniture as well, not the commemorative version sig sells on the civilian market. I was a Glock fanboy until I shot the M-17. Now I own three sigs and love the P320 👍

@hectorrivera6624

Жыл бұрын

I own various Sigs to include the M17-320 and various P-series. Still a GLOCK fan boy. The P226 are proven, hoping the M17 fairs well in conflicts. Time will tell. The only thing I don't care for on the M17 is the finish. Other than that is a great gun.

Great, facts based, objective review of a very good pistol that just had a great new test report released by the Army.

Thanks for a good review. While I love my G19 Gen 5, I have thought about getting a Sig P320.

Maintenance of any weapon is the responsibility of the individual soldier. If you fail to clean and maintain it, it will fail you. Same goes to anyone who owns a weapon.😎

First let me say. I like alot of pistols. Everybody has a preference. If you Glock . . go for it. FNS . . great choice. Shoot what works for you. Now, that being said, the Sig P320 platform has been my favorite. I like the ergos, accuracy, recoil impulse and love my P320 compact. It has the OD green grip module, Apex flat trigger and Ameriglo night sights. I train vigoriously with this pistol. Thousands of rounds . . brass, steel, reloads, shit ammo . . . doesn't matter . . it eats them all. A great, great pistol. My primary EDC. I really enjoy this pistol.

@ScoRobotto

5 жыл бұрын

Same goes for me

I do have a Sig compact P320 with a safety but it black n l bought it way back , I was wondering what model number do the call it I love it I use to edc but I just replaced it with a P365

I've been a Glock fanboy since the Gen 2 and have owned dozens of them in different sizes and calibers. Someone who's opinion I really respect told me I HAD to get a p320. Not that I should, but that I had to. So I did, I bought a compact. I thought I would hate the modularity of it, Glock includes the backstraps you need for adjustment. But with the 320 you have to buy a new grip. First off, the p320 medium grip is about as big as the Glock with no back strap. So the small grip is actually small. But it's also insanely more comfortable than the glock. The angle is right and there's no Glock bump. Plenty of my Glocks have been bought and sold several times because of financial need. But with the p320, I can throw on a full size slide and rock and roll. It's way harder to justify buying another two or three pistols to fill any niche when you can simply buy the few parts you need for what you want. The Glock 19 is still my daily carry. But I'm putting about 200 rounds a week through my 320 as my schedule permits, and it'll soon replace the Glock.

I didn't know there was a no manual safety option for the m17 which makes me want it even more now but of course the no manual safety

@dankinusmc1

5 жыл бұрын

SIG just delivered a "SOPMOD" kit to the DOD to remove the manual safety from the M17/M18 chassis, for select users.

I would have liked to see the barrels side by side to see the differences you were talking about. Good video though.

@jhelmsing

5 жыл бұрын

I contemplated that, but I honestly don't think my camera would pick them up. Basically, the m17 barrel just has rounded shoulders as opposed to squared-off ones like the normal p320.

I own all 3 firearms in your presentation and I am law enforcement trained. I like the manual safty especially coming from the 1911. With appropriate training it's not an issue an helps midigate a neglect discharge. With regards to the physical loaded chamber, if you need to shoot at night a visual loaded chamber indicator is useless but a tactile loaded chamber indicator is very useful. With regards to the night sight, I agree with there, they are great !!! I was not sure about the extended 21 round magazine. But I purchased a few and I like them very much. I carry the gun with the manual safety typically disengaged. Agree with you on the PVD. Like the pellet gun too very much. In general I like this handgun very much, although I'm not a fan of 9mm in any of its loading. FYI - on the SIG Web site you can go to the P320 / M17 area and input the serial # of your firearm and it will indicate if your gun has been or needs to be updated. Enjoyed your presentation, you are a SME (Subject Matter Expert)

@bamasux253

5 жыл бұрын

That Sig tool for serial number to determine upgrade status doesn't apply to the any m17 because none were manufactured with the old trigger, sear, and striker. All m17s already have the upgraded parts.

@Dunkleosteusenjoyer

5 жыл бұрын

Instead of training to use a manual safety just train to not be a dumbass.

Shorter grip module supports both the 17 and the 18 sizes. .

So if you had to pick one, including your x-carry would you prefer it or the m18 or a different version of the p320?

@jhelmsing

5 жыл бұрын

Great question, at this point I'm very interested in getting my hands on the M18 (sans safety if course). I really don't think you can go wrong with the P320 platform in general. The X-Carry is outstanding, but may be a little large for some purposes.

You mentioned the M18 , do you think once they get caught up on Military orders they will offer a civilian version of it ? i kind of like that configuration better, i have a carry p320 which would be the same as the M18 i think

@jhelmsing

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. Word on the street is that the M18 for the civilian market just showed up as an ordering option for dealers.

Hi, which is the brand of your delta point, I like the triangle you mention, I appreciate the info, thx

@yesihavebedbugs2786

4 жыл бұрын

The Deltapoint Pro is made by Leupold.

Tankers use side-arms. I loved my M9. 19 Kilo, baby!

_I am male. I am 57 years old. I have XXL hands. I shot the M1911 in the US Navy. After the military_ _I shot a lot of different guns and used many different calibers._ FIRST I bought a *SIG P320C* - The Compact version that uses 15 round magazines _Observations_ - Very reliable with no malfunctions or jams - More *_complicated trigger system & striker-fire system_* than necessary (IMO) - I did not like the "good" trigger as I had very little feed back from it RESULT This was a good gun but I did not ready warm to it. SIG P320C = *_SOLD IT_* SECOND I bought a *Glock 19 Gen. 5* _Late version_ - The latest version of the G19 that has no magazine cut out and forward slide serrations. _Observations_ - Very, very reliable with no malfunctions or jams ever - Simple gun with few parts - The Glock has a good trigger if you like feed back in your triggers - I love it's weight (23.64 oz) & dimensions RESULT When it came out I checked it out BUT did not like the cut out on the front of the grip. After the Glock 19 5 generation *_updated model_* with no front grip cut out came out, I put the SIG P320C up for sell. Glock 19 latest generation = *_KEPT IT_* I never looked back. _Forever Glock._

very good review...

I’m an MP with many years of Beretta experience, now turned PSD. Before I left for the Middle East... I bought a P320, with no safety (that’s ridiculous), compact version in 2017, at Fort Bliss PX (before they called it the M18). Mine does not have the drop fix and I’m hesitant to send it in for the voluntary recall (but that’s a whole separate issue, maybe). Now that I’m back state side... I spoke to Sig Sauer customer service to ask about an M17 full size barrel and slide upgrade, but the customer service rep told me that they were not available, yet. Is that even true? I bought the P320 for conceal carry and with the idea that I would be able to upgrade and switch to full size, for range time and full combat transition drills with my AR15 for personal use, when I’m not training with my unit doing the same. You know, practice. What say you? Is my early version P320 that much different from the final version M17, that I can’t find parts in the spirit of a “modular system?”

@jhelmsing

5 жыл бұрын

My .02 is the "modular design" is a marketing crock. I know exactly zero people who switch out the fcu with other guns depending on their needs. Most just buy two guns or whatever the case is. I've yet to actually hear of a department switching out a single components (i.e. the slide) due to damage or something like that. Matter of fact, for legalities a lot of departments are very iffy about changing out individual components on a gun (barrel matched to fcu serial number, etc) It's a good design and concept but just doesn't seem to actually be used the way it's advertised. If it were me, I'd trade the P320 in on the M17. There are some changes to be had, and the sights specifically are different.

@Joe-rx7ht

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the heads up and for replying to my inquiry. So, it turns out. I was actually looking to buy a second one, that being a full size M17. But I seriously do not want a safety. But the PX only had the safety models by the time I got back from the ME in late 2018. And was hoping to take full advantage of the “modular system.” Thus, not having to buy several pistols. Even save some money or the need to store various weapons. Besides. I’m currently allocating funds for a new S&W TRR8 and Mossberg 590A1 combat shotgun, that I’m picking up at my local Air Force Base, just to tool around and have some go-to weapons for home defense, here in California, where I’m from. Also, easier to accessorize in the current political climate, here in the People’s Republic of Kalifornistan. But it still doesn’t affect me since I have a LEOSA. Anyway. I might start looking at selling or trading in, if I cannot find parts for my early version P320. As long as it doesn’t come with a safety. Thanks and happy shooting.

@bamasux253

5 жыл бұрын

@@Joe-rx7ht - - - Parts for MY and your p320compact are easy to get, and you have nothing to worry about. Also, one can now buy a p320-m17 pistol _without_ the manual safety, go to the Sig webpage for the sku#. You can put a "p320 Full" caliber X-Change kit on your p320c with NO problems, it's just that Sig doesn't offer an m17 X-Change kit yet. You can swap out grip modules, slide assemblies, and use the longer mags, on your p320c. I think you might be confused because the modularity is great and not an issue. Send in your p320c for the voluntary upgrade- it usually results in a better trigger feel, and will also fetch more money if you ever want to sell it.

The short rail is for M18.

taking on p320 sporting glock ballcap. nice~

Since I don't trust the trigger on that gun, the ONLY way I would carry or even own one is with a manual safety.

@texasghost6725

4 жыл бұрын

RockawayCCW for a second I thought your post was 3 years old. The new ones have great triggers. I have 4 of them and the triggers are nice

The Sig p320, HK vp, Beretta APX, CZp10, walter PPQ have left glock in the dust.

Like the 1911 the M17 fits my pudgy little hands, the Glock and Beretta don't.

Other than collecting purposes i wouldn't buy the M17 over the standard p320. Nobody makes aftermarket sights for it, so you're stuck with the stock sights, the thumb safety makes it incompatible with standard Sig grip modules, and the LCI prevents you from you using caliber exchange kits. The whole modularity aspect of the p320 is basically fucked with the m17 Oh, and the thumb safety makes it incompatible with Apex trigger kits too.

@jhelmsing

5 жыл бұрын

While these statements are true, the gun is available without a safety (as shown here) and it's not that big of a deal if you don't believe anything needs to be changed on the gun, which is pretty much my disposition.

What do you like more? The m17 or m&p 2.0 4.25 inch?

@Logjammer69

4 жыл бұрын

Loukis is definitely take a M&p or Glock over the recall plagued Sig

Any gun you can get is a good gun. Imagine living in a state or country where the only guns you can have are the ones pointed at you.

@michaeldamon2013

3 жыл бұрын

Its coming....vote for Biden

Drives me crazy that a rear sight was not integrated in front of the delta point.

@geraldbco1306

4 жыл бұрын

AlabamaPilgrim333 same thought here . Im still holding onto hope that sig will at the very least incorporate the romeo red dots to fit the m17

@g-man1543

Жыл бұрын

I had the same thought. But the bigger question is why did the military go with needing it able to use the Delta red dot without mandating backup sights. Install the red dot you lose the rear sight.

They do go with the contract with less money

short grip module to accept short slide ;)

It's amazing how people complained about the size of the Beretta but the Sig is nearly the same.

@jhelmsing

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, a service pistol is a service pistol. They are all about the same. Where the Beretta and most all metal guns are behind is on weight. Makes for good shooting but not so fun to load out.

@silski

5 жыл бұрын

@@jhelmsing True about weight. Plus, DA/SA guns will always be 3-4 oz more than a striker gun because of the weight of the hammer, beefier trigger bar, and more solid chassis to keep those components solidly in place through the heavy DA pull. I personally think it was a mistake to go to a striker gun as general military issue unless they did much more training. Give it a year or two, after a couple of NDs from inadequately trained guys the general order will come down to carry the M17 with an empty chamber. A trigger system like HK's LEM, Sig's DAK, or even the DAO of the Sig P250 would have been better for general issue.

@Joe-rx7ht

5 жыл бұрын

The M9 Beretta was a heavy dinosaur. It gave me back pain after 2 years and 16 hour + shifts, working the road as an MP. For PSD missions carrying concealed, the M9 is even worse. I love the compact P320. And it’s extremely accurate, too.

lol....I can't not laugh at the phrase, "The Army knows what its doing."

@user-zl1pj5ii1f

5 жыл бұрын

rorkan138 stfu who are you again?

@madkabal

5 жыл бұрын

@@user-zl1pj5ii1f some guy who got kicked out.

@jhelmsing

5 жыл бұрын

@Jen farmer what country are you from?

@rbm6184

4 жыл бұрын

rorkan138 My dad was a WW2 GI combat infantry vet and he used to say, "Only the Army can take a doctor and make him a truck driver and a truck driver a doctor." BTW, the doctor liked truck driving so much he stayed a truck driver.

If you can see the brass in the gun dirt can get in there and sand Or am I wrong seems like a disadvantage

Honest review. Thanks. Maybe someday you can put your name on a specially designed gun. That would be cool!

you are talking but my eyes keeps drifting to the PWS box yonder....

Is the military still going to use the safariland holsters?

@jhelmsing

5 жыл бұрын

Yes

Other than the obvious barrel length m17 or 320 xcarry I’m considering both?

@jhelmsing

5 жыл бұрын

Tough call. I think the X-Carry has an edge in accuracy and ergos. I'd probably flip a coin honestly.

@jwm8067

5 жыл бұрын

J Helmsing thanks, I like the xcarry undercut on my Legion, maybe the wife will let me get both 😂

@jhelmsing

5 жыл бұрын

Could always get the M17 and buy the X Carry grip module

@jwm8067

5 жыл бұрын

J Helmsing good idea, thanks for your reviews and input, greatly appreciated

Keep in mind the same company that rolled out the P365 also has a government contract. That's pretty scary.

What manufacture dates have the improved more reliable triggers? What kind of malfunctions were you guys getting?

@bikeracerdude

5 жыл бұрын

None of the _production_ Army contract pistols, nor the m17 Commemoratives, nor the p320-m17, had any trigger problems. That was limited to m17 *prototypes,* and some regular p320 pistols made before Nov 2017.

@jhelmsing

5 жыл бұрын

We've noticed a difference since the "drop fix" on our duty guns as far as the civilian P320's. My department was a very early adopter of the P320 and we had two main issues: chronic failure to extract on three guns (one was mine) and a first round issue when loading the mags to full capacity. I've noticed a change in the extractor system and also that little lip on the slide has been relieved and recountoured in newer models. For the past year or so our guns have ran like tops, so I'd say they are pretty well ironed out.

@freedom8672

5 жыл бұрын

@@jhelmsing , Any idea if there's a pic online of that lip on the slide that has been reshaped? I'd be curious to see it. Thanks. And be careful out there- the dems are creating a very anti-American, anti- L.E. environment.

All I can say is if the Special Forces still us the 1911 something must be really up.

@tattoochef

3 жыл бұрын

The overwhelming majority use glock so........some of the old school dudes may use the 1911 buy thats thinning out.

Well, my take on it for what's it worth. I have the m18 & it is totally unreliable it jams every third round. My m9a4 using the same ammo out of the same box was flawless. Both guns were new out of the box .

Can anyone shed any light as to why the military issued/commemorative model allows the use of the iron sights with the optic, while the commercial version removes them if you use the optic?

@jhelmsing

5 жыл бұрын

That would be new information to me. The M17 I handled in the military had the same style optic plate but used orange rear tritium instead of the green on the commercial models.

@Attaboy79

5 жыл бұрын

I just asked because in your video when you are running the optic, there are no rear sights on the slide (14:18), and every picture I see the sights on the commercial are a little longer and attached to the plate, while the military/commemorative has the shorter sights which allow co-witness.

@jhelmsing

5 жыл бұрын

The military version uses the same plate and doesn't cowitness without the add-on rear sight for the Deltapoint Pro. You could use that same rear sight on the commercial version. It's part of the optic not the slide. www.leupold.com/gear-and-accessories/accessories/deltapoint-pro-rear-iron-sight

Little known fact, the air pistol is just as effective as the 9mm version. This is a logical conclusion of the well known "fact" that all pistol calibers are the same.

bad news for you bud. that weight slot cut in the slide by the feed ramp says its not an m17. the actual military m17 does not have that. i also would have been interested to see what your barrel said on the non ejection side of the breach block. if you want to have a conversation about it, message me. there are a few more differences that you can look for.

@jhelmsing

5 жыл бұрын

😆 LOL what?! Bad news for you bud? I have zero idea what on Earth you are talking about regarding "not an M17". This is a commercial M17 taken directly out of the box with the SKU and all of the other M17 specific details I cover in the video. I did not ever allude to this being an actual military issued M17 or a commemorative if that is what you are referring to as I refuse to shell out the obscenely inflated price they are asking for that gun. I'd say the fact that I sourced this without a safety and the black controls should be the only clues you need for that. Also be aware that Sig regularly updates and changes guns mid model, so basing "authenticity" on some obscure arbitrary slide cut is very risky and more than likely completely inaccurate. I've had about a dozen P320's and nearly every one had a different slide milling on the inside and various other small changes as Sig continued to improve them along the way. They are notorious for this. I just picked up a P320RX that had a completely redesigned barrel that looks very close to the M17. Even the newest issued M17's (which I have indeed handled and fired) are shipping with black controls. The non ejection side says "9mm" if I recall correctly, but I don't have any worries what so ever that this isn't an authentic commercial M17...

its better looking when its shorter

Good review overall, but you didn't even touch the main difference from the M9: The Beretta is designed to be carried revolver-style with a long, heavy first trigger pull IN LIEU OF a manual safety. Though it isn't my preference, I respect it as a logical alternative. OTOH, the military insists on carrying everything on "safe" (best of both worlds for preventing a negligent discharge / worst of both worlds for achieving a purposeful discharge). With the M9 that means a (slide-mounted, therefore hard to reach, and wrong- [extensor-muscle] direction) safety PLUS the looong 12lb trigger pull vs. a frame-mounted M17 safety that falls naturally under the thumb and operates naturally (flexor muscle) leading to a short 5lb trigger pull. In any pool of recruits, there may be one or two individuals who have trained extensively and exclusively with Berettas, safety-on. Physics and anatomy dictate that everyone else will get a faster, more accurate first hit (the one that counts) with the M17. It wouldn't even be close.

Imo, the military only chose the m17 cause of price. It was dirt cheap compared to glock. And that's about the only real reason. If price was identical theres no way the sig would have been chosen

@thegreenberetlife0191

4 жыл бұрын

Conrad Mccall, you got bad info. If Sig underbid Glock, it would be the first time anyone outbid Glock. It was leaked a few years ago that Portland,OR PD paid $79.00 a unit for G17s. Don’t know how true this is but Glock made all their inroads to LE on price first, then capacity.

TTHE RED DOT WILL FOG OVER WHEN IN A TEMPERATURE CONTROLLED AREA

You really put down the Beretta for non beveled mag wells but the M17 doesnt have those either and on it you said it was no big deal. I think someone is a little biased toward Sig

@jhelmsing

4 жыл бұрын

It's not an issue when loading it. Try it for yourself.

@MrKsan05

4 жыл бұрын

@@jhelmsing Yes Sir, it is not an issue for either the Sig or the Beretta. That was my point. Either way I enjoyed your video I just found it odd to knock one for that and not the other

Tremenda pistola hasta para limpiarla es sencilla la recomiendo brutal y ese colorcito táctico 🤗ni se diga.

Based on these comments the Glock fanboys should invest in bulk size Vaseline..they so butt hurt their gun took a L 😂😂😂

@jhelmsing

5 жыл бұрын

I've never ceased to be amazed at how vehemently people defend their firearms purchases. I'm sure some people would be less offended if you slapped their mother in the face.

@RepentorPerish77

5 жыл бұрын

J Helmsing 😂😂😂 facts! That’s too funny

@texasghost6725

4 жыл бұрын

Glocks still a good gun, most modern guns are great

No cowitnessing

@Actuary1776

4 жыл бұрын

Joshua Romeo 1 pro has built in rear sight for co-witness.

Buy the .40 barrel and carry hollows. That goes with any carry pistol. There are a select few (very pricey) 9mm rounds that can sort of compete with a standard 40 but why would you want to have to have a particular round to give you as much lethality as what the 40 offers. You're not going to be engaging home Invaders or armed robbers in the bank at 75 yards so go with the bigger round. If you ever have to use your pistol it's most likely going to be short range. Like 7 feet.

Sig has been promoting this pistol hard. I would not buy it until they are willing to sell the civilian the real M17 not the P320/M17. It's basically a P320 not a M17.

"Coyote or "flat dark earth"" colour. Odd the military is sticking with it. Unless the US only plans to fight in the middle-east. I'd think there would also be green camo versions. Odd there isn't. It's like those old 80's ninja films where you had ninjas walking around in broad daylight in black. :) This gun sticks out!1 :)